Hubbard agreed to answer some questions by email, and I agreed to run his responses in their entirety, which turned out to be much longer than anticipated, as he provided a lengthy excerpt from one of his publications. I gathered the questions from my own curiosity and many of the excellent questions readers proposed earlier this week. Thanks to everyone for several excellent questions, and thanks to Hubbard for taking the time to answer them.
- Hubbard appeared to acknowledge that he is an ancient astronaut theorist and believes that aliens were involved in the Illinois Caves. However, after I published the first version of this article, he wrote to accuse me of bias and putting words in his mount. (See note at end of article.)
- Hubbard does not have evidence to support his assertions about history of the Illinois Caves beyond the alleged Illinois artifacts themselves.
- Hubbard states that he received a script for America Unearthed prior to filming, which means that the show decides on its conclusions before interviewing anyone or conducting its “investigations,” the opposite of standard journalistic practice and documentary filmmaking best practices, by which the writing comes last, after the reporting and fieldwork. Otherwise, you risk biasing the results and working to fit facts into holes in the script. After all, if you write the script first, that means that you must know you are not going to find anything.
- Hubbard refused to answer questions about any topic other than the Illinois Caves without payment. Hubbard said he would “debate” issues for money, but since my questions were requests for information, not a debate, I declined to pay him anything, as is my policy.
My questions are in bold and Hubbard’s answers in plain text. Some of the questions may seem disjointed because Hubbard broke up my longer questions into smaller sections and answered them piecemeal.
No, they didn't have to. We all had copies of the script. They knew I was going to give my claim which I wanted to get to any National TV audience. Everything follows a script at the end of editing and all the good footage ends up on the floor. They shot enough scenes and dialog to make several shows if they wanted to.
Did the show represent your point of view accurately?
No. There wasn't near the time spent with the real pieces as they did with my replicas and a couple of fakes. We shot several takes of me deciphering one of Scott's cartouche tablets but I knew they would edit that out. This is one of Scott's several pieces that clearly show Meri-Amen Setep-en-Ra Arksantrs. (Ref. Budge Egyptian Glyph Dictionary Volume II page 942 entry 388.) I had two tables spread out of beautiful pieces many of which had been through forensics but none made it to the episode. Pictures of our layout can be seen on our Facebook site The Illinois Caves.
Was there anything they left out that you felt should have been included?
Yes. For sure, what was left out was any history of this discovery. I taped the history and background of when this discovery first happened at least 3 times. So for the viewer, the whole episode was flying around in the grand canyon in the exact same place I told Jerry Wills about back in 2002 when Paul and I stayed with him for a couple of days. I thought we were going to get our own episode like anything else they had run that was half interesting. Don't get me wrong, I love Scott, he's a great dude, but sometimes it's a bit hard for me to make it deep into some of his shows and I could never watch them as many times as it appears you do.
Second: I had worked hard on a new Egyptian Glyph decipherment off one of the replicated gold medallions that I really wanted on the show. Zak and I knew it was a long shot so we taped me giving the final in English on a short update vid. My notes and how I put it all together are shown on our facebook also. If you study this at all, you can see the syntax is all over the place and the sentences are not structured in a flowing vocative. It's a really good glyph inscription never before seen or heard of on a national scale.
Next: I wanted to show and decipher on their edit another one of Scott's amazing pieces. He has a tablet about a foot tall of a king in Egyptian garb holding a staff and an ankh with the cartouche right there in front of his head in old glyph Meri Amen Setep-en-Ra Arksantrs...who is Alexander the Great. That piece is worth untold millions and I don't think Scott gets it yet.
Then: I wanted to show more of the artifacts I had there and I for sure wanted Scott to bring one of his Cleopatra tablets...I didn't tell him who it was, just bring it. But it was too large and heavy for him to trouble with along with his gear. Scott has three fine tablets depicting Cleopatra...but her name is spelled as KLEOPTRA. "Beloved, Queen of Queens Kleoptra mother of Helios the King." But of course it's written in reverse on the stone which causes some scholars issue because they have never studied ancient languages.
Also: As stated earlier, the history not only of the discovery, but of the classical aspects as well. We didn't just dream all this up. Without a full background of the discovery, people are led to believe Russell Burrows found it and it all began in 1982, but the fact is this site is clearly on record since 1925 when it was first discovered. You can see all this in detail on my video Modern Discovery.
Most Importantly: Our claim was left out. We have been saying for the past 20 years that what people have in some circles popularly dubbed Burrows Cave is indeed the final resting place of the Ptolemaic Dynasty including the cadavers of King Alexander the Great and Queen of Queens Kleoptra.
What evidence can you offer a skeptic to demonstrate that the caves you describe actually exist?
I'd say about 8 and a half gigs. I'd like to offer you a thumb drive with several gigs of pictures, old documents, layouts, data charts, hundreds of documents for you to see if you want to. Let me be very clear on this. We tapped the mother lode and it happened to be in Marion County Illinois. There has NEVER in the history of archaeological discovery any ancient site the world over that has come to light with more artifacts, documentation, books, reports, forensic tests, websites, blogs, videos of decipherment, videos of historical significance all dealing with the important impact of this ancient tomb that was looted by a human styled baboon [Russell Burrows].
Even if all of the artifacts you claim to come from it are genuinely ancient, that does not automatically prove they came from the cave as opposed to, say, California or Europe.
It would be stupid to think someone would go overseas to bring back several thousand pounds of artifacts and sell them for $5, $10, $20. I have Megahead in my shop right now and he weighs over 150lbs. Add to this the many mapstones that show the local river systems with ancient sites marked on them.
You have told me and others that you agree that Russell Burrows fabricated artifacts and otherwise engaged in dishonesty. Why would you trust any claims he made or any artifacts he uncovered?
Burrows is way too stupid to know five different ancient languages and their associated alphabets. Nor would he have ever known what to carve back then. There are too many stones, that Burrows was first selling for way less money than it would have taken him time to carve them. It was only later he started tainting them. Please let me explain also that we do not go by any of Burrows' claims except what he writes in chapters 18 and 56 of his book.
How can you independently confirm the authenticity of the same?
I've had pieces forensically tested at an archaeological lab in Santa Fe. The all passed as +1800 ybp. There is so much including a silver coin that passes as well.
Do you have any images of the interior of the Illinois Caves?
Just what I show on our website. There were others that popped up here and there but they could have been of anything. The only reason I post the pictures I have are because I found the negatives in Jack Ward's files in an envelope labeled Pictures from Inside Cave.
How were artifacts placed in the cave, and in what positions were they found? For example, were they carefully arranged in an intact burial assemblage, or had they been moved after initial deposition?
We will never know.
Are you willing or able to provide original (not duplicate) artifacts from the Illinois caves for authentication by professional Egyptologists or archaeologists?
Oh sure. I had mine authenticated back in the late '90s. But it would help if you could find an Egyptologist who could actually read glyph. I haven't found any yet. It appears to me that by today's standards, anyone who can read a Cairo street map is automatically an Egyptologist.
Is there any additional evidence of Greeks or Egyptians in pre-Columbian Illinois beyond this cave, such as house foundations, Greek-style cities, linguistic evidence, genetic evidence, etc.?
There are Roman and Greek coins found all over this country. You can read about that in history books from the 1800s or even Charles Fort documents dozens of ancient coins found right here in Illinois. There are ancient forts, settlements and defensive walls along with mounds throughout this area. People have found artifacts depicting elephants near here and I am currently working on another Egyptian Amulet found a few miles downstream. About 10 years ago, a pot hunter found a staff head about a mile from our tombsite.
What type of ships did the Greco-Egyptians use to reach America?
We tend to refer to them as Mediterraneans because there are several cultures depicted in this tomb as well as the different languages. They were Roman ships, Trireme, quinquereme and other large ships as well as smaller vessels too.
Why are these ships not depicted in the artifacts we have seen on your website? Those galleys do not appear to be ocean-going vessels.
This issue would be my fault. I have over 100 photos of artifacts with ships and boats. But you have to remember these stones are mostly small and it is hard to carve an ocean going vessel on them. The ships hulls are truncated. These ancient artisans had no idea people thousands of years later would be criticizing their handiwork.
You are wrong. Here is what I have documented concerning such mistaken information. This is an excerpt from book #1 dated 1994. If you can find where I have indicated otherwise......? More on this to follow.
[Editor's note: Here he reproduces a lengthy section from the overview to Alexander Helios, which appears below, with Hubbard's original copyright notice at left.]
Alexander Helios, Forgotten Emperor
of North America
© Alexander Helios, Inc. MCMXCIV, MMX
All Rights Reserved
Recorded by Paul Schaffranke and Harry Hubbard
Reproduced by permission of Harry Hubbard
During the Hellenistic Age, a great dynasty rose up to rule over the land of Egypt. King Alexander the Great of Pella, who had conquered all the wealth of the known world, established the city of Alexandria, and died in Babylon. On the return trip to Macedonia, his body was commandeered by his first General and half-brother, Ptolemy. Ptolemy showed off the elaborate coffin first in Memphis and then moved the cadaver to Alexandria where he would enshrine it after the new mausoleum was completed. At Alexandria, Ptolemy established the Dynasty Sema adjacent to the new museum. A library was also being built in the new complex. These and other facts are recorded textbook history.
As a result, the Ptolemaic Dynasty was created. This Dynasty became the curators of all the knowledge of the world, the largest collection of ancient artifacts and the largest library in history. They also possessed a horde of gold so immense; it would have required a caravan of wagons one mile in length to transport it from one place to another. Ptolemy (Soter I) dedicated a proportioned parcel of land in the heart of the city especially to accommodate all this vast wealth and knowledge.
After over 250 years, the Dynasty finally yielded to the Roman Empire, but not before the Ptolemies had acquired -- the many tons of gold and silver, the finest jewels, the most prized maps and books with the most magnificent museum on Earth. All of it now belonged to Emperor Octavian and the Roman Empire. Octavian made a leisure trip one day to view his newfound wealth after Alexandria fell into his hands. He truly enjoyed seeing the museum with its artifacts and books, but most particular, his visit to the Ptolemaic Tomb on the west side of the lot. The Tomb was soon to be host of three new bodies, two of which were already designated. Just days after his arrival, Queen Cleopatra VII and her youngest brother, Ptolemy XIII were added to the eternal members of this marbled mausoleum for the Royal Dead. Octavian swiftly passed by this crypt as well as all the other crypts containing the Kings of this Dynasty. Octavian went directly to the Main Crypt where King Alexander the Great lie enshrined forever. Octavian silently stood gazing and glassy-eyed: King Alexander the Great, in his solid alabaster sarcophagus with a glass cover – Alexander, with his Famous Trojan Shield and gold Death Mask. Octavian became fixated and remained there for many hours in awe. His general nudged him to break the spell and said, “Ptolemy I is entombed just over there. Would you care to view it?”
Octavian looked up at him and said, “I came to see a King, not a corpse.” History also records that for some strange reason, Octavian touched or struck the nose of Alexander and damaged it. What made him do this? Was the Death Mask on Alexander? Where was the gold sarcophagus he had heard so much about? Could it be he noticed after studying the body long enough, he was staring at a cenotaph? After a few moments, Octavian turned, left the tomb and shortly thereafter, he left Egypt and returned to Rome. Little did he realize he would be the last person recorded in history as having actually been in the presence of this Tomb. This Royal Tomb, with all its splendor and gold, vanished along with a great portion of the contents in the museum and hundreds of volumes from the library.
From the evidence gathered by deciphering the tablets of script found in the Lost Tomb of Alexander the Great, it is now possible to present for the first time a portion of forgotten history beginning as follows:
There was a captured Carthaginian prince living under the stewardship of Octavian, who also served in Octavian’s army, Juba, son of King Juba I. (pronounced as ‘you – bah’) King Juba I of Mauretania had been defeated at Thalpsus by Julius Caesar and butchered because of his alliance with Pompey during the Civil Wars. The dead king’s son was taken hostage and in later years distinguished himself greatly. Juba was deeply admired by the emperor Octavian. There was a great dilemma for Octavian with regard to the treatment of Marc Antony’s remaining legions who had surrendered to him following the battle of Actium. There was no more land available in Italy or on the frontier available for the Antonian veterans, who were the highly skilled elite warriors of the Roman army. This included Julius Caesar’s famous and powerful Tenth Legion. Antony’s army hated Octavian and had no desire to fight in his army. Octavian’s highest priority was to provide for his own soldiers first. He had even less desire for large numbers of former hostile forces to remain in his empire. We know from history, Octavian demobilized his army of 60 legions down to 24.
The young captive Juba must have eventually come up with an answer to this great problem for Octavian. The Mauretanians had knowledge of a centuries old Phoenician / Carthaginian colony a great distance to the west of the ‘Pillars of Hercules’. This land had been recorded by ancient authors as being rich with rivers, gold, copper, and was also the source of the famous Purpur used to make dye. Diodorus Sicullus, Pliny and others, give reference to this land beyond the ocean. Juba was a brilliant man and aware of what was known through legend as ‘Happyland’ or the Land of Many Smiles. Juba suggested to the emperor that he should build Mauretanian ports along the Atlantic coast and fortify the Port of Gades in Spain. Juba explained how the mighty Emperor could extend his trade into the heartland of Spain traveling up the Baetis River and digging a canal through the vast marshland along its northern bank. He also suggested the Antony’s legions with their great fleet be sent to this colony in order to conquer, settle, and start anew the flow of goods from there back to the Roman Empire.
Juba’s idea was a great solution, for not only could Octavian get rid of Antony’s army, but he could also employ them to send him large quantities of copper which could be mixed with his tin from Britain. Juba’s plan received Octavian’s approval and Juba was made monarch of both Numidia and Mauretania as a reward. The now King Juba II was placed in charge of supervising the operation.
In 28 BC, a large fleet which included many remnants of the Actium fleet, comprised of at least two legions, warships of the trireme and quinquereme type with many transports for supplies and small riverboats, set sail from the Port of Tingis. They were commanded by Admiral Sosius who had served under the leadership of Antony. The first fleet consisted of 67 ships and only one was lost at sea.
The armada arrived in the land to the west directly translated as The Land of Many Smiles or called by slang, Happyland, about a month after its departure. They colonized settlements in the vicinity of the Florida panhandle, Cuba, the Bahama Islands and penetrated up the Alabama River (which is referred to as the ‘White River’) and farther on to the regions northward. In about 26 BC, these settlers began migrating up the Mississippi River, they called the ‘Great and Mighty Water-Flow’ where they allied with the former inhabitants of the Carthaginian Empire. They established a major city and port near present day St. Louis and called it ‘Caesarea, the City of the Sun.’ This site can still be viewed today known as the Cahokia Mounds. These North African descendants controlled most of the settlements along the Mississippi, Tennessee and Ohio River basins.
They attempted to reach the Michigan copper country overland in order to reestablish the copper trade, when they met disaster at the hands of the Natives consisting of large numbers of the “Horned Helmets” and “Stinkards” (or ‘bad-smelling people’).
Back in time to the Mediterranean SeaFollowing the defeat and alleged suicides of Mark Antony and the mother of his three surviving children, Queen Kleopatra VII, the three royal siblings: Alexander Helios, Cleopatra Selene (who were twins) and Ptolemy Philadelphus were chained and returned to Rome. Octavian paraded them in gold cages at his triumph celebration, and their mother was represented by a life sized golden image of herself lying on a couch.
The children were raised in the palace by the emperor’s sister, Octavia, who was Mark Antony’s legal wife under Roman Law. Octavia regarded herself as the true mother of Antony’s children and cared for them in the manner their custom would provide, while her brother, Octavian, (later called Augustus Caesar) was childless and regarded himself as the children’s true uncle. Octavian was deeply concerned their future be provided for in a noble fashion.
The captive prince Juba and the much younger Selene fell in love after only a few years. Thus began one of the most bizarre, romantic and forgotten love stories of all time. The Emperor admired the noble and loyal Juba, granting him back his homeland, changing his name to King Juba II and giving him the hand of Selene, his adopted niece.
About 24 BC, the Mauretanian King Juba II married Cleopatra Selene, the daughter of Mark Antony and Cleopatra. She then became known as Queen Cleopatra Selene of Mauretania. Both of her brothers, Alexander Helios and Ptolemy Philadelphus ended up in Mauretania also. With the new discoveries from the Lost Tomb of Alexander the Great, we can begin to piece together a portion of history which has been lost.
From the famous ancient port at Gades off the southern coast of Spain, as well as ports along the Mauretanian coast, King Juba II expanded trade from North Africa to the British Isles and down the west coast of Africa. Since Juba was of royal blood, he had no problem becoming the administrator of what was left of the Carthaginian / Phoenician merchant fleet. We have determined Juba II, with the help of his wife Selene and brother-in-law Alexander Helios, was able to control and maintain the black-market goods being shipped from the east and transported down the Nile. This marketing network had been established several centuries before and with the sudden death of Cleopatra VII, there was no one supervising this “silk road” for a few years. It appears Juba II, having traveled the Nile as well as several countries beyond Arabia, was first in line for the overlord position.
Commodities were in short supply but the demand for goods was constantly increasing. Juba II used his main port “Ioh Hyssar” at Caesarea, for his primary network hub. His ships sailed all over the Atlantic from this port. The insignia or trademark from this port has been found throughout the North American Continent. The famous port city of Ioh Hyssar was commuted from and to other ports such as Gades, Naples and the British Isles.
Sometime during his early manhood, Alexander Helios voyaged to “Happyland” across the sea bringing with him the Sema of his ancestors. His ship traversed the river we know today as the Mississippi from the Gulf of Mexico. At the mouth of the present day Ohio River, they took the eastern river route because it was twice as wide as the river flowing from the north. They continued their journey along the course of the main river, passing large tributaries including the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers. When they reached a large river flowing from the north, they left the main river and turned against the flow up the Wabash River. After traveling about 15 miles, they navigated westward up the Little Wabash River into an unknown territory. Traveling about 32 more miles, they somehow decided to traverse up a river known today as the Skillet Fork; most likely during the spring floods.
We know Helios became a powerful king here in Happyland. The recorded evidence will show how the armies of Helios engaged a host of enemies from Illinois to Michigan, up into lower Canada and eastward all the way back to the coastal islands near Maine and eastern Canada. We now have records written in stone which give details of battles fought in North America over 2000 years ago, complete with accurate maps and engaged infantry numbers.
Alexander Helios was the first Sun King of Happyland and was adored by his people. He became a High Priest and was later deified as a god. Helios was a great warrior and general. He was killed later in life by wounds sustained during a battle and entombed near the location of his last victory. Helios, Juba II, Selene, Octavia and Queen Cleopatra VII along with their achievements, are forgotten no longer. The accomplishments of these five personages will live on in memory forever.
You can also read more of my work directly pertaining to this issue at this link.
Why would he choose America instead of a closer anti-Roman stronghold?
We are historians, not psychologists.
Is there any evidence that Alexander Helios ever left Europe other than the disputed Illinois artifacts?
No, he simply falls off the face of history.
How did Alexander Helios, resident in Rome, get seagoing ships and supplies to sail to America with a large contingent without any Romans noticing or recording the event?
You can see Paul [Schaffranke]'s decipherment of the "Numerius" tablet at the end of our Etruscan Volume One video for these answers. The event had to have been noticed, but perhaps not recorded. Or you can read and deduce from the article posted above.
Why did the anti-imperial historians of the early empire fail to record this important humiliation of Augustus, the “escape” of his enemy’s son?
We believe it wasn't an insult. There were thousands of legionnaires who did not wish to fight for Octavian (he wasn't Augustus yet.) We think Octavian was more than happy to let them go because he wouldn't have a mutiny on his hands and he wouldn't have to pay them money or land for their services.
You told me that internet postings about you claiming that a UFO carried Alexander the Great’s body to Illinois were false. This YouTube video from 1998 shows you discussing extraterrestrials in the context of the Illinois Caves artifacts and asserting that ancient texts, particularly Pliny’s Natural History, are “UFO books.” You also assert that artifacts from the Illinois Caves are “obvious” depictions of ETs and their crafts. Do you believe in ancient astronauts?
Of course. Thank you for watching my video. It has gotten rave reviews for years.
If not, why were your statements about aliens in 1998 incorrect?
I say I don't believe in UFOs or Aliens. I believe they have been here longer than we have and just because I don't know what kind of ship it is soaring across the sky with lightning speed doesn't mean the guy driving it doesn't. He knows if it's a Ford or a Chevy and probably knows how to check the oil too. I prefer to call them saucers or AFOs.
On your website, you write that “evidence” indicates that gold from the Illinois caves was sold to the U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing via Fort Knox. What is this evidence?
Because of the letters I have dated in the late 1980s involving Fort Knox along with senators and congressmen from Indiana.
Who sold the gold?
Burrows and [Jack] Ward.
Since the Bureau of Engraving and Printing handles only fiat currency (Federal Reserve notes), not bullion or coinage, what did they do with this gold?
You are wrong. Ever heard of the Golden Eagle? It is a US coin and backed by the Fed. It is my speculation; I am going to stick my neck out again and declare that it is possible, the 1991 US Coin Golden Eagles contain the gold smelted down from this tomb.
[Editor's note: The U.S. Gold Eagle coin was authorized in 1985 by an Act of Congress and is produced by the United States Mint, not the Federal Reserve. They are not backed by the Federal Reserve but hold value based on their gold content, certified by the U.S. Treasury Department.]
On your website, you state that Helena Blavatsky did not exist and was invented in the 1920s. How do you explain the existence of The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, and other documentary evidence of her existence prior to 1920? How did her name end up in public records, newspapers, and other sources from the 1800s?
This is debatable and has nothing to do with this tomb. I will debate this issue very easily for money and nothing less. My research is not only entertaining but worthy of being learned by people who have not examined the data. I will leave you with this hint though...Are there any Blacks in Russia today??? To believe or think a mulatto or black woman lived in the middle of Russia during the mid 1800s is absolute stupidity!! Only on the internet. Physically show me one single book printed in Russia during the 1800s that has Blavatsky in it. Have you ever even seen a book printed in Russia before WWII? What did you notice about it??
On the same page, you assert that the Maya never existed. Who or what built their cities, and how could linguists have deciphered their language to discover a coherent account of their history if they did not exist?
Again, this is not tomb related...but it all has to do with semantics.
You have stated to me and to others that your standard of evidence regarding the Illinois Caves is “prove us wrong.”
I have never said this was my standard of evidence that I know of. Please verify your statement. But no one the world over has, can or ever will be able to prove us wrong. We did it. We identified the big one.
Do you apply this standard of proof in your own life? For example, do you believe in alien abductions since no one can prove they are not happening? Or ghosts? Or ancient astronauts? If not, why is the standard of proof different for your caves?
I am for more skeptical than you can or will be. I have a reputation to identify with in an Historical sense that can easily be identified with by hearing my dozens of online interviews, watching my videos and reading my books. I don't flip-flop, change my mind or later admit I got something wrong. The rest is for any unassuming and unbiased person to travel his own path of investigation and research to make his or her own determinations. As with several of our videos, we don't tell you what to think, we just show you the facts.....go make up your own mind.
There is no advantage to me or my project if you just woke up one day and admitted to yourself....hey, that Harry Hubbard was right about something. Well, sorry to inform, but no big deal. As near as I can see, you are not a historian nor do you study ancient languages on a regular basis. It appears you are only a bit 'skeptical' which is really very little on the tree limb of life. If you go into your research with an already supposed outcome, you will certainly make the outcome work for you. We never set out to discover Alexander's Tomb....no one dreams of this as a child....and we would never have been in this position had we not read the history books, studied the Greek, Latin, Punic, Glyph and Numidian....who else could have done what we did? If our information came from some other person, would it have been more believable? Or, what if this discovery were made in Egypt, Sudan or Spain? It would have been jumped on 90 years ago.
As far as me attempting to sell my books and make some money off of the world's greatest discovery is all very wrong and undisciplined, but not for others who have never made any discoveries or deciphered ancient unknown text? Should I have been a basketball star with orange hair and multiple body piercings?? Thank you for the opportunity to enlighten you and your devout audience. Harry Hubbard
[Editor's note: None of my questions referenced financial interests, money, or his motivation for monetizing the alleged tomb.]
After the Interview
Anyway, here is his follow up message in full:
Follow Up Statement by Harry Hubbard
No, Harry does not and has never believed ancient astronauts had anything to do whatsoever with this cave. I only state that it appears these ancient people saw ancient strangers along with strange ships in the sky. Nothing more, nothing less. Please make the correction and do your best not to interject opinion not based on fact.
You have made another incorrect assumption. We have conducted Earth Resistivity on the target property several times. There is a large room under one bluff and a cavern system under the other one.
Please don't put words in my mouth via assumption. Please get our story correct without your bias. Be biased on your time not mine. HH
I thought you did a great job with the presentation and I did touch on your other subjects, just not in fine detail. Please make note of that. Everyone tries to make me sound like a monster, but I just want to get the facts straight.....thank you.
Hubbard then delivered another follow-up, attacking me personally.
Second Follow Up by Harry Hubbard
[S]ince when did anyone's claims matter to you at all??? You, I assume, suppose yourself to be a fair skeptic, but when you are faced with facts and corrections, you become humble? Come on Jason, if I was afraid of being attacked or smeared, I would never have bothered with you or your blog. All you guys do is attack and smear. I expect no less. I'm so sorry I hurt your feelings or made you uncomfortable. Perhaps I should go to some better skeptics blog. Do you know anyone who is better than you at what you do? You and your bloggers attack me, make insulting accusations, call me names and I'm the BAD GUY. I say to you and your cyber family, Man Up or move on. Is that clear enough? What's your next childish statement or stupid question? Am I supposed to run and hide because someone doesn't like me what what (sic) I'm saying. You gotta remember, I've been doing this for 20 years. I eat people like you and your colony for breakfast. You don't believe in ETs or flying saucers because you are an idiot and I would say you have never read the works of Charles Fort either. Now are you going to cry and run to mommy because I called you an idiot? I wonder if you still live at home with your parents. Please, by all means, don't listen to my claims. But if you print something about me, make sure it is TRUE!! HH
As per Mr. Hubbard's request, I have printed only what is true, namely his exact words.