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Christopher Knowles Claims Chatbot "Proved" Lovecraft Borrowed from Alice Bailey

12/17/2025

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​In the wake of the recent tragedies that plagued this week, Christopher Knowles, known to readers of this blog as the author of Our Heroes Wear Spandex, which I reviewed in 2014, and more recently as a blogger and podcaster under the name of The Secret Sun, put forward a confusing conspiracy theory in which the Brown University shooting, the death of Rob Reiner and his wife, and the push to release the Epstein files are all connected through H. P. Lovecraft, Theosophy, and a global plot to resurrect the Old Ones. It’s as confounding as you might expect, and now Knowles is calling me his “longtime nemesis” and promising to prove that Lovecraft adapted the Cthulhu Mythos from Theosophist Alice Bailey’s books of cosmology.
​I wasn’t aware that I was Knowles’s “nemesis”—“the Moriarty to my Holmes” in his words (!)—given that, as best I can tell, my sum total discussion of him was a review of his book in 2014 (in two parts) and two follow-up blog posts later that year. As best I can tell, I never discussed his decade-old claim, which he is now revisiting, that Lovecraft stole the Cthulhu Mythos from minor Theosophical figure Alice Bailey, though I did note in 2014 that he said he was upset that I (whom he called  “Jason ‘It’s All About Me! Me!’ Colavito”) did not deign to attempt to debunk him on the merits.
 
Since then, Knowles has become increasingly enraptured by the idea of synchronicity, claiming that what most of us would dismiss as coincidence is really part of an ancient, byzantine master plan to bring back ancient gods through magical rituals. So, for instance, he was quite pleased to discover that this week’s mass shooting at Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia took place on the fifty-third anniversary of the release of The Poseidon Adventure, whose namesake deity was also the patron of Atlantis, the lost continent he sees as the foundation for the secret religion of ancient gods animating the world’s corrupt elites. Because Lovecraft also mentioned Sydney in “The Call of Cthulhu,” he sees this as a signal to the Old Ones.
 
It is, of course, impossible to deal with this kind of conspiratorial mysticism at the level of the rational. Some people will simply choose to believe that Australian Islamists who planned a Hannukah massacre did so because of the day a largely forgotten 1970s blockbuster had its opening day in New York City, either by intentional choice or the diabolical intervention of fallen angels, who are also apparently fans of aging American pop culture.
 
Similarly, Knowles tried to draw a connection between Bondi Beach and the current U.S. attorney general, Pam Bondi. The names are not pronounced the same, and I seriously doubt AG Bondi has much name recognition in Australia. He also alleged that Bondi Beach, located at 33° S, has some sort of Atlantis connection because Atlanta, Georgia is located at 33° N. Never mind that north is not south and Atlanta wasn’t named for Atlantis or even the Atlantic Ocean but instead was derived from its founding as the terminus for the Western and Atlantic Railroad.
 
Anyhow, as I explained back in 2014, there is no evidence that H. P. Lovecraft read the works of Alice Bailey. Instead, his own letters and the evidence in his stories indicate that he gleaned his knowledge of Theosophy from W. Scott-Elliot’s composite book The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria (1925), which he read shortly before starting “The Call of Cthulhu,” and from a summary of Theosophical ideas sent to him by E. Hoffmann Price in the 1930s. In 1926, he specifically told Clark Ashton Smith that he wished he had access to more Theosophical material but only had Scott-Elliot’s book: “Really, some of these hints about the lost ‘City of the Golden Gates’ & the shapeless monsters of archaic Lemuria are ineffably pregnant with fantastic suggestion; & I only wish I could get hold of more of the stuff. What I have read is The Story of Atlantis & the Lost Lemuria, by W. Scott Elliot.”
 
In 1933, again to Smith, Lovecraft wrote about what Price told him, and—crucially—Lovecraft didn’t recognize that Price’s account of the Stanzas of Dzyan (Helena Blavatsky’s fake prehuman text) was Theosophical or connected to Theosophy, instead calling it an “another cycle of actual folklore” and adding that “I don’t know where E. Hoffmann got hold of this stuff, but it sounds damn good. I shall ask him to spill particulars to you and me—though you may have met this cycle before. It reminds me of the Scott-Elliot stuff connected with theosophy.”
 
It was only a few weeks later that, after further consultation with Price, that Lovecraft sheepishly conceded to August Derleth that “it turns out that Price’s mystical legendry was, after all, only the stuff promulgated by the theosophists.”
 
Lovecraft never got to read Blavatsky’s Secret Doctrine or the other key Theosophical texts. He received a loaned copy of The Secret Doctrine at the end of 1936, when he was already dying of cancer and almost certainly never read it.
 
You can read more about Lovecraft’s involvement with Theosophy in the exhaustive account by Bobby Derie in Deep Cuts in a Lovecraftian Vein, complete with receipts, from which I borrowed the Lovecraft quotations above that weren’t already familiar to me.
 
There is no mention in any of his papers of Alice Bailey, a relatively obscure Theosophist of the era, though it is, of course, not wholly impossible that he may have come across her work. However, Knowles now claims that because Bailey’s publisher, Lucifer Publishing, had its offices four blocks from the church in Manhattan where Lovecraft married Sonia Greene, he must therefore have been aware of her books, read them, and borrowed his Mythos from them: “So there goes the argument that Lovecraft couldn’t possibly have had any awareness of Alice Bailey or her books, right out the window. Do you really think HPL could have resisted at least a peek at the wares offered by a press called ‘Lucifer Publishing?’”
 
From here, Knowles’s argument becomes depressing, in that he “researched” it using Elon Musk’s AI chatbot, Grok:
That in turn led to a long exchange with Grok where I demanded that the skeptics’ arguments (Grok always argues from authority) play by their own rules when it comes to their claims about Scot-Eliot and the rest.
 
And while doing so, I found the smoking gun which proves - in Lovecraft’s own words, no less - that he was indeed poring through Bailey’s bugnutz books, and mostly using Scot-Eliot as a beard (I guess so his penpals wouldn’t think he was going soft and squishy on them).
​I will of course be interested to see if Knowles found anything that might be “prove” Lovecraft’s dependence on Bailey, but there is no known mention of her in any of his surviving correspondence, so it will be a tall order. Doing so would, of course, mean that Lovecraft was a liar who falsified his own letters for no discernible purpose. As he had no trouble extolling various occult texts he mined for his fiction, I can’t fathom why he would hide Bailey’s, or why Scott-Elliot would somehow be more acceptable to Derleth, Smith, and Robert E. Howard, all of whom were also researching in similar books.
10 Comments
An Over-Educated Grunt
12/18/2025 09:25:13 am

"For me, it was Tuesday."

Congratulations on your nemesis. Should check and see if that has some tax breaks associated with it.

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Mean R Queried
12/18/2025 12:31:01 pm

Sorry about pasting those URLs below a previous post, Jason. Appears like I might have rekindled a rivalry from a decade ago. When Christopher Knowles allowed pseudonymous comments below his blog, I pasted a URL to yours, and he seemed angered. Did not think much of it. Web searches for his blog yield these.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lovecraft/comments/2d8p3n/the_secret_sun_lovecrafts_secret_source_for_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lovecraft/comments/2ddiqe/a_rebuttal_to_the_secret_sun_on_lovecraft/

If you visited Chris Knowles's blogs since Tuesday, you may have also noticed this post too.

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2025/12/synchro-squall-lovecrafts-ghost-lingers.html

More of the same typical stuff for that blog. Apparently, there is more if you subscribe. No thanks.

Found his blog in 2018 after watching History's Ancient Aliens. Did not help to understand it any better until I found your blog.

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Kent
12/18/2025 04:34:40 pm

I understand that your a member of the more-than-four-hour-club but puhleeze fling your poop more discretely. From one of your cites:

"And since addiction can often open the door to possession, I really have to wonder if that's what we're looking at here."

No, you don't have to wonder, idiot. Please note I'm not calling you an idiot, I'm calling Knowles an idiot. But you do appear to have a variant of late onset Beatlemania. Imagine the word association:

"Pancakes"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Falafel"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Good"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Evil"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Neutral"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Ribbon"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Fulfillment"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Family"
"Christopher Knowles"
"Murder"
"Christopher Knowles"

I'm sorry, we've run out of time.

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Secret Sun
12/18/2025 04:45:24 pm

It's simple deduction, Jason. Of course, it helps if you've actually read the books in question. I'll drop you a line when I put it together. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

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Secret Sun
12/18/2025 05:39:42 pm

And why do I think Lovecraft was being cagey about Bailey? Well, because he was certainly cagey about the Books of Dzyan:

"By the way—Price has dug up another cycle of actual folklore involving an allegedly primordial thing called “The Book of Dyzan”, [sic] which is supposed to contain all sorts of secrets of the Elder World before the sinking of Kusha (Atlantis) and Shâlmali (Lemuria). It is kept at the Holy City of Shamballah, & is regarded as the oldest book in the world—its language being Senzar (ancestor of Sanscrit), which was brought to earth 18,000,000 years ago by the Lords of Venus. I don’t know where E. Hoffmann got hold of this stuff, but it sounds damn good."

H. P. Lovecraft to Clark Ashton Smith, c.10 Feb 1933

Now, here's the problem, Jason. By his own admission Lovecraft read Scot-Eliot (most likely the 1925 reissue), right?

Yet Lovecraft didn't know "where E. Hoffman got this stuff?" Do you suppose he skipped over these passages?

"As is written in the_Book of Dzyan_, 'Then the Fourth became tall with pride. We are the kings it was said; we are the Gods.... They built huge cities.'"

"As it is written in the stanzas of the archaic Book of Dzyan, 'Animals with bones, dragons of the deep, and flying sarpas were added to the creeping things. They that creep on the ground got wings. They of the long necks in the water became the progenitors of the fowls of the air.'"

"The shameful acts of the mindless men at the first separation of the sexes had best be referred to in the words of the stanzas of the archaic Book of Dzyan. No commentary is needed."

"As stated in the stanzas of Dzyan above quoted, the men of that epoch,even though they had become completely physical, still remained speechless."

"The first instance of sin, the first taking of life--quoted above from an old commentary on the stanzas of Dzyan, may be taken as indicative of the attitude which was then inaugurated between the human and the animal kingdom, and which has since attained such awful proportions, not only between men and animals, but between the different races of men themselves."

"The stirring of their minds with feelings of love and
reverence for those whom they felt to be infinitely wiser and greater than themselves naturally resulted in efforts of imitation, and so the necessary advance in mental growth was achieved which transformed the higher mental sheath into a vehicle capable of carrying over the human characteristics from life to life, thus warranting that outpouring of the Divine Life which endowed the recipient with individual immortality. As expressed in the archaic stanzas of Dzyan,"

If Lovecraft read this material in 1926 - which I am not contesting that he did - then why feign ignorance about it seven years later? No one can say for certain but I believe it speaks to his own idiosyncracies. And if he’d be less than forthcoming about what he’d read in Scot-Eliot, why on Earth would we believe he wasn’t being forthcoming about Bailey? That make sense to you, Jason?

Anyhow, given that both Bailey and Scot-Eliot were both admittedly drawing from Blavatsky, why do I believe Lovecraft was obviously reading Bailey? Well, he drops a couple of crucial hints in his letters, and also includes several innovations to the Dzyan mythos unique to Bailey, details that aren't in Blavatsky or Scot-Eliot. Happy hunting!

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Jason Colavito link
12/19/2025 12:26:37 pm

If we take the quotations you cited literally, there is nothing in them that says Lovecraft had never heard of the "Book of Dzyan," only that he was unfamiliar with the lore associated with it. Given that Scott-Elliot did not provide any detail about the Stanzas of Dzyan in his books (he makes six references to it, none with any detail beyond it being "archaic"), Lovecraft's mentions are therefore entirely consistent with reading Scott-Elliot but not being aware of the full backstory until Price gave it to him. It is entirely possible that he paid little attention to the references to "Dzyan" in Scott-Elliot, given that they are undeveloped, but I doubt there is enough evidence to fully prove that either way.

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12/19/2025 02:05:08 pm

This is just a footnote on etymology: "Dzyan" is clearly a ripoff, uh, variant, of the Sanskrit term "Dhyana" (ध्यान (?)) = "concentration" which some render as "meditation". Try convincing my long ago Theosophist-raised girlfriend of that! Ironically I borrowed her Sanskrit notebook when I essayed the course.

Similarly with Books of Kiu-te, as David Reigle addresses:

https://www.wizardsbookshelf.com/kiu-te/

Reigle is a Sanskrit scholar known for discovering not one but two previously unknown Sanskrit verb forms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reigle

I read Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine in my misspent youth and even then comprehended that there is no there there.

I don't care whether or not the Dark Knight guy read Fritz the Cat. This is that sort of thing, the difference being I enjoyed Lovecraft.

Bailey is a pale imitation of a fraud (Blavatsky), Leadbeater was just a fraud and a molester.

Mean R Queried
12/20/2025 12:16:41 pm

Sorry to return here again. Christopher Knowles wrote an update.

https://thesecretsun.substack.com/p/synchro-storm-update-plasmatic

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2025/12/synchro-storm-update-back-to-lovecraft.html

Sorry. I know how pasting URLs here makes someone upset.

Strange how Christopher Knowles mentioned lost lands, Atlantis and Lemuria, in his most recent series of posts so often, since he rarely mentioned those lost lands in previous years of blogging. What would Thorwald C. Franke say about Christopher Knowles? Worried Christopher Knowles's ideas about Atlantis and the Knights Templar could be influenced by the Nazi Frank Joseph.

Wonder if Christopher Knowles is familiar with Dr. Kathleen Ball who wrote a book about Portuguese Knights Templar voyages.

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/dr-kathleen-ball/

Now Christopher Knowles seems to suggest plasma is involved. Sure, the idea of living plasma and speculations as to the function of hypothetical sheaths of plasma surrounding spacecraft hulls are intriguing ideas to ponder, but the ideas are barely mentioned. Wonder what Christopher Knowles would say about Electric Universe cosmology or Dr. Robert Schoch's ideas about plasma. Wonder if Christopher Knowles would agree with what Andrew Collins said about beings made of plasma or what Nick Redfern said about how genies made of smokeless fire could be plasma. Speaking of plasma physics, did anybody else listen to this show?

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2025-12-15-show/

https://www.reddit.com/r/coasttocoastam/comments/1pnhw1b/mon_dec_15_2025_martian_disclosure_power_of/

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Kent
12/20/2025 10:35:29 pm

"Lost lands"? Non-existent imaginary lands. No charge.

"Wonder if Christopher Knowles is familiar with Dr. Kathleen Ball who wrote a book about Portuguese Knights Templar voyages." WTF Dude? Where on this website does it say "Your one-stop shop for all your Christopher Knowles questions, musings, daydreams and wonderings?"

You keep saying "sorry" but you keep doing it. How many others were there? Are you a trucker, Focker?

You need to take matters firmly in hand, and I mean that literally, and get yourself right with the universe, Ted Bundy. Sound Plato's Retreat and spend five minutes or five hours, I don't know you, in Club Git Right, it'll do you a power of good.

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Mean R Queried
12/21/2025 09:23:50 pm

Apologies to Kent in advance. I did not want to do this, but just to be thorough, I shall paste another URL since this happened today.

https://secretsun.blogspot.com/2025/12/synchro-cyclone-overview-4u.html

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