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In Brief: Vance on UFOs, Elizondo on the Daily Show, and Ancient Apocalypse Returns

9/18/2024

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​It’s been a busy week so far. At a rally in Eau Claire, Wisc., Republican vice-presidential nominee Sen. J. D. Vance injected UFOs into the presidential campaign and inadvertently punctured the claim that Congress is deeply informed and concerned about extraterrestrial incursions. After incorrectly summarizing the past seven years of UFO interest as a “story from a couple years ago that, like, the Defense Department had declassified the UFO stuff,” Vance added, “I don’t talk about that because I don’t know what’s going on. […] So, to all the journalists there: If you do know anything about the UFO story, please tell us because we’re very, very fascinated by it.” Vance, a sitting senator, admits to knowing nothing and not even being informed enough to know what he doesn’t know, giving the lie to claims that UFO terror has gripped anything but a very small minority of legislators. 
​Meanwhile, Imminent author Lue Elizondo appeared on The Daily Show last night to discuss his book with host Ronnie Cheng. While Cheng kept the conversation light and offered little pushback on Elizondo’s bizarre claims, he did manage to point out a glaring problem with Elizondo’s allegations: Elizondo spends nearly all of this time talking about bureaucratic processes and infighting, and not the alleged space monsters plotting to destroy us. "You're talking about paperwork. I'm talking about aliens!" Cheng said. Cheng repeatedly asked the obvious question: Why is Elizondo obsessed with bureaucracy if we are facing an imminent alien threat, and Elizondo only talked about legislation and hearings. Where are the aliens?
​I give Ronnie Cheng credit for puncturing Elizondo's fantasy bubble a bit by repeatedly insisting that if we were really being invaded by space aliens, the conversation wouldn't be about bureaucracy, hearings, and funding. It's something every reporter should be asking.
 
For his part, Elizondo offered a number of howlers, some from his book and some only implied in it: Roswell was an alien crash site, aliens are “interested in our technology,” officials are “up close and personal with these things” (whatever that means), and, after 75 years, we have no idea whether the aliens are hostile—but somehow are a threat. He offered yet another confusing account of whether and how he led either AAWSAP or the (non-existent) AATIP, and he also carefully obscured that most of his “evidence” is, by the account published in his own book, little more than secondhand rumors. Even Cheng seemed to think Elizondo’s claims were nutty, particularly since no one in government seems all that hot and bothered by hostile space monsters invading our planet.
 
Perhaps most telling is that when directly asked whether he was saying space aliens are real, Elizondo dissembled and said that former presidents and high officials said that there is “something to” the UFO issue. Not the same thing.
 
Meanwhile, just because bad things come in threes, Graham Hancock announced that a second season of his documentary series Ancient Apocalypse will stream on Netflix on October 16. The sequel to 2022’s media sensation is subtitled “The Americas” and will focus on trying to “prove” evidence of a lost Ice Age civilization in the Western hemisphere. The show’s trailer makes clear that much of it will reflect claims made in Hancock’s 2019 book America Before, which I reviewed when it was released.
With all of this going on, I did not even bother to dive in to the new claim from former America Unearthed host Scott F. Wolter that he discovered Mary Magdalene was previously married to John the Baptist and had a son named Jesus (pronounced Hay-Seuss) before she married the more famous Jesus. I have no idea where he got that idea from.
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Justin link
9/18/2024 04:42:24 pm

I actually thought that Elizondo was pretty clear about how we can simultaneously not know if aliens are hostile but still consider them a threat. He explains that we don't have any evidence that the aliens mean us harm, but do have evidence that they could harm us if they wanted to and we couldn't stop them.

None of this is to justify or validate Elizondo's nonsense. Just to say that on that one point his logic is sound.

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Jim
9/18/2024 08:43:49 pm

Thing is though, he has no evidence "that they could harm us if they wanted to and we couldn't stop them."
So I would argue that his logic is unsound. How can we be harmed by something that hasn't been shown to exist ?

I could argue that we have no evidence to show unicorns mean us any harrn, but do have evidence that they could gore us if they wanted to and we couldn't stop them.

We have as much evidence on unicorns as we do for aliens.

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JOHN
9/24/2024 09:10:03 am

Does any ancient culture has stories about unicorns?

Jim
9/24/2024 02:23:56 pm

"Does any ancient culture has stories about unicorns? "

Yes !

https://www.britannica.com/topic/unicorn

" The unicorn appeared in early Mesopotamian artworks, and it also was referred to in the ancient myths of India and China."

Hey Zeus!
9/18/2024 09:30:40 pm

"Mary Magdalene was previously married to John the Baptist and had a son named Jesus (pronounced Hay-Seuss) before she married the more famous Jesus. I have no idea where he got that idea from."

So Fisherman and Carpenter are actually a mistranslation of landscape artist and custom upholstery specialist? 😁

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Kent
9/18/2024 10:12:59 pm

I'm not saying it was aliens but, unless the topic was a bill or a rule of the Senate or a joint session why would he be informed about anything? The takeaway is that there are several Representatives who are less mentally fit than JD Vance and I have trouble believing my takeaway is what you intended.

In these troubled days of modern times it behooves us to autodidactate in civics. As my recent reading about Bobby Baker has brought home the Senate and the House are two different animals. Senatrats have three times the lifespan of Congressrodents. El Senate is basically a sign-off entity. Sure it can originate bills, even ones it technically can't originate, but anyone can write a bill. It's calling spirits from the vasty deep, innit?

A search for "congress" on this page yields 12 results. With no scrolling. A search on the source code of this page yields 9 results. I'm Missy Cooper on this. What if Missy Cooper met Agent Cooper? In the Amazon? Sweaty shirts clinging?

Since you and Mr. Chingchong Chinaman (Rosie O'Donnell said it was okay!) won't say it, I will. Mr. Elizondo is mentally ill. Stephen Greer is mentally ill. Stanton Friedman was mentally ill. Danny Casolaro on the other hand was not. Do as thou wilt with that.

But *functionally* mentally ill, a category which is by definition unsusceptible to testing. Ontologically it's the equivalent of calling someone a reptilian. Totes unproveable.

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Aw
9/20/2024 11:03:05 am

Doesn’t even a high school civics student know that US Senators are able to obtain briefings from intelligence agencies at the drop of a hat on virtually any subject?

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Kent
9/20/2024 05:19:21 pm

Et lacrimātus est Iēsus. (It's the Vulgate so untwist those knickers.
I said "KNICKers"! We don't take kindly to strange fruit 'round here.)

The larger question is "You'll believe anything, won't you?"

Aw
9/21/2024 12:49:52 am

“More Members and their staffs are aware of what intelligence can do for them and are availing themselves of it. Not only
is most finished intelligence available; Members and staff are able to obtain briefings from intelligence agencies at the drop of a hat on virtually any subject they choose.”

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/sharing-secrets-with-lawmakers-congress-as-a-user-of-intelligence.pdf

How did you not know this?

Kent
9/22/2024 11:08:48 am

So as I understand it the reasoning is as follows:

The CIA said it.
You bought it.
That settles it.

It's like you're part of some strange united fruit company. Ever had a Georgetown Set in your house? Don't fret, you keep hoodooing you m'kay? The Clapper Principle of the least untruthful answer is ready at the drop of a hat.

It's easy to imagine the CIA saying "UFOs aren't within our purview so we have nothing" but that would be moving the goalposts so I won't imagine it.

Bill
9/18/2024 10:34:19 pm

Elizondo: "I'm proof that you don't have to be intelligent to be in intelligence" pretty much sums up the rest of it. The cackling laughter from the audience is pretty telling as well.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
9/19/2024 08:08:35 am

Man. Scott Wolter. Remember the good old days where THAT nonsense was the main driver of discourse here?

Somehow it's not surprising to find it that the guy whose one area of expertise was agates and STILL managed to screw up agates, who is along with David Wilcox the only person I can remember whose car got decoupled from the History Channel gravy train for getting too nutty, who broke the Kensington Rune Stone, and whose idea of geologic testing was to write ASTM fanfic, would eventually be reduced to writing TradCath fan fiction without the deep understanding of anything associated with the Church found in the average six year old.

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Jim
9/19/2024 03:38:13 pm

Lol,,,He has finally released the long awaited, what he calls "Peer Reviews" and nobody cares.
( He got some folks to scribble a few tips for improvements in the margins of his report and called them peer reviews)

https://www.instagram.com/wolterscott/p/C_WOtIbSw0u/

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Sunshine on a Dog's Backside
10/3/2024 06:17:14 pm

Jim,

Based upon Runes no one, including the discoverer of the Stone was aware of and other information within the inscription, the stone is likely genuine.

Kent link
9/19/2024 09:52:32 pm

I 'member. He didn't screw up agates, he supposedly defrauded someone by lying about something supposedly in his supposed area of supposed expertise. It went to court. Supposedly.

If phone booths still existed a meeting of Everyone Who Went Into Business with Scott Wolter and Didn't Get Screwed could be held.

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Paul
9/20/2024 11:41:23 pm

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E.P. Grondine
9/21/2024 09:56:04 am

Impact Events leave behind mysteries, whether Tiwanaku or Ponapei and Easter Island. Hancock has been looking for one mother culture, but clearly there were several cultures that got blown off the face of the Earth. So we will see future shows from him as he becomes aware of this. He will make money from public education.

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Paul
9/22/2024 06:39:01 pm

Must be topping off your salads with ‘shrooms again. Using Graham Hancock and education in the same proximity, much less the same sentence, is adding to your delusion.
As James Randi stated, the only true part of any of Graham Hancock’s books are the page numbers.
That applies to many others, as well.
Eddy, isn’t it time to take your delusions for a walk?

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Tsathoggua
9/24/2024 10:41:58 pm

Not saying it was impact events, but it was impact events.

Impact event theorists says "Yes!".

"You HAVE to ask..."

"clearly there were several cultures that got blown off the face of the Earth" Clearly that's not true. It's akin to AA theorists asserting that there are 11 alien races warring for control of Earth.

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E.P. Grondine
9/27/2024 08:11:11 am

Actually, the impact experts are skilled, accredited, and working geologists.

And a few archaeologists.See Tel Leillan for example. Or anyone working with Holocene Start sites.

While it would be nice if these things did not hit and kill a lot of people, that is not the real world we live in.

As far as Hancock goes, he is a journalist, not an anthropologist
That is why his dating is so bad. His model of one advanced culture does not work, IMO. But my guess is that he will make very good money sorting it out.

Kent
9/28/2024 01:59:50 pm

It's always money with you Chief, innit? When you're not doing your impression of an ill-maintained Chihuahua you put me in the mind of the Twilight Zone episode "Nervous Man in a Four Dollar Room". The title more than the plot which doesn't involve staving off space disaster from an SROtel if some sucker I mean someone doesn't give you the money dammit!

I'm getting a whiff of Ferengi.


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