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Josh Gates Walks Back Endorsement of Ancient Astronaut Theory, But Claims Ancient Achievements Cannot Be Explained

10/19/2017

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​This week’s episode of Expedition Unknown: Hunt for Extraterrestrials was really boring. It involved host Josh Gates listening to a group of Zimbabweans describe a mass UFO sighting that occurred in 1994, followed by a trip to Rendlesham Forest to listen to yet another iteration of the same routine set of mystery-mongering interviews with the UFO profiteers who have made a thirty-year career out of an alleged encounter with a spacecraft that has been debunked over and over again. We saw this a few months ago on Ancient Aliens (not to mention several times before), and the Science Channel, and Destination America, and some online articles, and practically everywhere UFOs are sold. Gates added nothing to the discussion except to give far too much credence to some fairly dubious claims, to the exclusion of reasonable explanations. 
​As you will recall, last week Gates surprised me by revealing that he is apparently a closet ancient astronaut theorist. And while he is no stranger to fringe media, I was surprised to see him appear this week on Jimmy Church’s radio show, surprising because Jimmy Church’s show plays host to some of the zaniest names in fringe, including Scott Wolter, Whitley Striber, Randall Carlson, and a raft of other opportunists, unqualified speculators, and fantasists. While this was more common in the days of Syfy’s Destination Truth, since the launch of Expedition Unknown, the Travel Channel had tried to position Gates as a serious and level-headed alternative to the History Channel’s pack of fantasists. But now that fringe is apparently the best way to attract declining audiences in the era of peak TV, all bets are off, and crazy people are the new normal.
Listen to "FADE to BLACK host: Jimmy Church guest: Josh Gates" on Spreaker.
​For me, the most interesting part of the interview was Gates’s confession that he knows going in that he isn’t going to find anything on his expeditions. We all know this, but it is still surprising to hear him admit it out loud. He said that a Syfy executive told him at the launch of Destination Truth that the most difficult part of the show would be to “bring the viewer home” at the end—i.e., to craft an ending to a narrative that they know going in will turn up nothing. Gates said that viewers don’t often understand the purpose of his show. He said that he is often asked why he doesn’t ever find anything, and he said that this makes him “want to cry.” The purpose of his shows, he said, isn’t to find artifacts or solve mysteries—as he explicitly claims he will try to do—but rather to “move the needle” on the investigation by showing viewers something new. “It’s fun to pull at those threads and ask those questions,” he said, regardless of whether there are answers.
 
If you do not want viewers to feel disappointed that you turn up nothing, then maybe you should stop pretending like you’re going to find an answer.
 
Naturally, Gates also credits Indiana Jones for inspiring his interest in ancient mysteries and adventure. He said he had been “obsessed” with Indiana Jones since he was a kid, back in the 1980s. Gates is four years older than I am, and I was eight when Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade came out, so the movies were for me never anything other than reruns on television. When I was twelve, Jurassic Park was all the rage, and the object of my youthful interest. Anyway, Gates said that as a child he would visit a supposedly haunted house and use a Ouija board to communicate with the spirit world. “I think that kind of laid the groundwork for me investigating the paranormal, too,” he said. “Places have an energy. There are places you walk into and say, ‘Ugh, this place feels weird.‘” He also attributed his love of aliens to being a childhood “sci-fi geek.” That’s something that I’ve never entirely understood. I love horror but have never been obsessed with serial killers or ghosts, and I love Greek mythology but have never built an altar to Athena. Why does science fiction spawn an obsession with space? 
 
Gates said that his Travel Channel series has convinced him aliens are real, but in walking back his enthusiasm about ancient astronauts from last week’s after show, he claims now not to be a believer in alien visitation to the Earth. He said he believes that civilization would collapse if the reality of aliens were ever proved because it would damage the religious foundations of most Earth societies. He agreed with Church that archaeologists cannot explain the mystical alignments of ancient megalithic sites with one another, or similar symbols across cultures. He called the ancient astronaut theory “really compelling,” but confessed that he is sometimes concerned that the hypothesis “undercuts how really cool and badass” ancient people were by attributing their wonders to space aliens. “But if I was in a floor fight with someone saying ‘How do you explain X, Y, or Z about these ancient cultures, there is no question that there are big gaps in what we know and so there’s a lot of room to argue there. And that’s what makes it cool.”
 
Church pressed Gates on the question of ancient astronauts, and Gates tried to clarify: “I’m still in that kind of agnostic camp where I say, well, I love this stuff. I love … I would have no problem with, you know, believing that, but I need to see, you know, irrefutable evidence, and I haven’t seen that yet. There’s a lot of really compelling, interesting stuff in the margins, but for me, I just want to see more. So that’s where I come down on the ancient alien stuff. There’s awesome, compelling theories out there. I just don’t think any of them are airtight yet, and that’s kind of where I land on it.”
 
Church told Gates that he avoided the question, and he tried again to get the Gates to come off the fence and express his secret love ancient aliens. In response to a query about the best evidence for ancient astronauts, Gates conceded that he was fascinated by the idea that geometric shapes and simple figures, such as stylized faces, repeat across cultures, and he believes that civilization emerged in “massive leaps” using technologies they could not have possessed. He cited the Great Pyramid’s construction, using centuries-old fringe claims about its alleged perfection to argue that “the question is really valid” whether aliens or Atlanteans provided the technology. So, basically he’s amazed that humans draw simple shapes and prefers not to investigate the origins of ancient sites and instead attribute their creation to mysteries. Both Gates and Church laughed at archaeologists for suggesting ways that Egyptians could have carved statues from red granite, claiming that such sculptures are simply impossible for humans to produce.
29 Comments
Jim
10/19/2017 11:30:48 am

Should be interesting to see which way the pendulum swings with Gates. How long can he play both sides against the middle ? Will he go all in ?
You're standing on the edge Josh, don't take that next step.

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Bob Jase
10/19/2017 03:44:20 pm

Jump Josh, jump!

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Clete
10/19/2017 11:57:03 am

It has always kind of made me angry that AAT's always come to the conclusion that ancient peoples were basically too stupid and lazy to construct anything of monumental size and complex design by themselves. They needed help from some alien visitors. If they hadn't had such help we would all still be sitting around in caves picking nits off ourselves.

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Jonathan E. Feinstein
10/19/2017 04:49:23 pm

Back in the last Ice Age I had a college class that was centered on looking at the various claims of von Daniken (being the only one of that ilk generally known back then) and debunking them. In the end we came to the conclusion that in most, if not all cases, that if he was neither smart enough nor clever enough to figure out how to do something, he decided that no one else could either and therefore those friendly aliens dropped in for tea and while here built a few pyramids in Egypt etc.

Good thing he never heard about those pesky Klingons!

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Only Me
10/19/2017 12:00:35 pm

"I love Greek mythology but have never built an altar to Athena"

Don't worry, Scott Wolter sees enough symbols to ancient goddesses to cover for you.

Man, for someone holding a degree in archaeology, Gates really came across as stupid. Science doesn't provide all the answers to every question, so feel free to fill in the gaps with any fringe idea that appeals to you? Really? I would say he should be ashamed, but it would be a waste of breath.

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Americanegro
10/19/2017 03:45:30 pm

Yet you managed to do it.

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Mandalore
10/19/2017 01:26:15 pm

A bit off topic, but something you wrote made me wonder if any fringe writers who purport the perfection of the pyramids ever account for the missing casing stone.

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Mary C Baker
10/19/2017 02:42:44 pm

LOL I had not thought of that one.

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Americanegro
10/19/2017 03:49:05 pm

"Why does science fiction spawn an obsession with space?"

Perhaps because a lot of it takes place in space?

For those of you playing at home, be forewarned, you are IN SPACE NOW!!!

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David Bradbury
10/20/2017 03:45:39 am

But Jason's point is that you (and he, and the rest of us) are also in a world where unnoticed serial killers exist NOW!!!

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Americanegro
10/20/2017 08:10:03 pm

No, Triple D, that's not his point.

But it's intereesting that you bring it up.

Should local police be looking into you?

Were you known as the Pet Slayer growing up?

Do you like murdering Focker?

David Bradbury
10/21/2017 02:23:48 pm

I may be a psychopath, but I'm a very well brought-up psychopath.

SPACENOW
10/25/2017 04:40:49 am

SPAcE NOW

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Josh Gates
10/20/2017 11:18:31 pm

Looks like Jason can't take criticism at all! What a loser. Jason you are a sad little intolerant leftist douchebag.

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Echebunbun
10/21/2017 12:33:46 pm

Something you two apparently share.

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Frank
10/22/2017 10:43:02 am

Not to defend Jason, as he can do that well on his own, but you just proved that you, Josh, are the Dbag. If Jason could not stand criticism, he would not allow you to post this very "criticism" you have posted. Jason, unlike many hypocrites that own their blog forums, who censure postings and posters that have anything in them that criticizes, or proves the forum owners' lies/BS, no matter what the subject is, does freely allow it. To wit, your "scientific" rebuttal: Looks like Jason can't take criticism at all! What a loser. Jason you are a sad little intolerant leftist douchebag."

Of course, I'm assuming that you are the real Josh Gates, as these days one cannot discount the true identity of anyone on the internet. But then, the internet, was all planned by our "ancient aliens"? But then I wonder where they, meaning the aliens, ancient or modern, got their own civilizations sparked by? Why of course, by other more ancient aliens! It all goes back to the Big Bang...Who banged who, first? Jason, or you?

When it comes to true knowledge, one very wise Greek, and ancient alien in respect to today's wise heads, used to tell us that God only knows. Then God must be the oldest ancient alien. The mystery of "The ancient of days", the old man with the beard...He is unlike any of us, and He must have sparked all ancient civilizations, whether on this planet, or any other.

So, basically, you, Josh, "are amazed that humans draw simple shapes and prefers not to investigate the origins of ancient sites and instead attribute their creation to mysteries."

Josh, is it not better to hide behind a God figure, than some silly ancient aliens, regarding any mysteries of creation? At least, one can safely argue that the "buck stops with God". Whereas with ancient aliens, one is still open to criticism with the old cliché; "And who created the ancient aliens?"

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Josh.Gates
10/22/2017 03:41:44 pm

What an imbecile. Another lame brained moron that has no fame. Such a sad little man like Jason.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/22/2017 04:04:29 pm

It's not the real Josh Gates, just a long-term local nuisance.

Josh Gates
10/22/2017 08:51:29 pm

Another Jason sycophant that doesn't even know me! I am Josh Gates Idiot

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ECHEBUNBUN
10/22/2017 09:17:58 pm

Nope, not buying it. Pretty confident that the real Josh Gates is fairly "leftist" too, or at least that collection of scarves he always wore screamed that.

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Frank
10/24/2017 12:37:36 pm

I'm bad at grammar, but even I, dear Josh, or whomever you may be, I can say that, if you knew your grammar better, you could have used the casual "you" with a preceding comma, to make your point clear. For example. "I am Josh Gates, you idiot." As it stands, you leave those of us in doubt as to your identity, and additionally we can also be in doubt as to your being that very Idiot.

Also, "Another Jason sycophant that doesn't even know me!" is not accurate, grammatically. Because you were wanting to express that, "Not the Comte de Saint Germain" was one of Jason's follower, sycophant or not. For example. You should have expressed it in writing as; Another of Jason's sycophant...

And regarding your precious comment about, "another lame brain moron that has no fame", are you not assuming two things? First you assume that you are a famous person, then you assume that Frank is one without fame. Just what are you famous for, you idiot? Surely Frank would not care to have the kind of notoriety that you seem to enjoy, and which is one of being a self-acclaimed idiot.

And you, Josh, are the Moron, if you give credence to these silly ancient aliens nonsense, and intellectually degrading mankind's ingenuity and know-how. But not as much of a MORON for even considering the tale of Atlantis to be anything more than what Plato gave us about it.

You, Josh, have provided no real rebuttal for Jason's opinions, whether Jason is right or not about what he said about you. You clearly lied about Jason not taking/allowing criticism, as pointed out by this very discussion, allowing your Dbag comments, and your further posts to stand.

"Gates cited the Great Pyramid’s construction, using centuries-old fringe claims about its alleged perfection to argue that “the question is really valid” whether aliens or Atlanteans provided the technology."

Now prove to us your fame and intellectual prowess, as being the real Josh Gates, our famous idiot! Tell us all about our ancient Atlanteans and how they helped the poor human sycophants build these ancient monumental structures. But please, don't defame our dear Plato by using other sources. Because for Atlantis, there is only one source, you idiot!

Are you like our Donald Trump, famous and self-acclaimed smart person, but never reads anything worth while other than ratings? Have you read Plato, at least? You should if you are going to be making famous statements on a radio blog. And by the way, you are not famous to me, as I have never even heard of you until I read Jason's comments here.

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Bast
10/24/2017 01:20:32 pm

Of course, talking to a fake Josh Gates doesn't make you look like a moron...at all...

Eric Plumrose
10/27/2017 05:22:51 pm

'I am Josh Gates Idiot.'

That would be your full name, yes?

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Jason Colavito
10/24/2017 03:42:46 am

I am a small pathetic tiny dick self absorbed hateful little man!

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/24/2017 10:27:15 am

Seriously, is this Scott Reaney?

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Frank
10/25/2017 01:35:35 pm

@Bast

Please, give me a chance at being less of a moron and point out to us the the real Josh Gates that I may talk to. You are implying that you must know the real Gates, if you state that I was not talking to the real one. But are you the real Bast? You just may be the real Josh Gates. But if not, just who the hell is Bast? Are you not the real moron here? A careful read of the posts will indicate, if you understand at all, that I never fully accepted that I was dealing with the Josh Gates referenced by Jason. In fact, I was giving the poster, "Josh Gates", the opportunity to prove his real identity by showing off some of his "famous" knowledge, and provide a real, and substantial rebuttal to Jason's write up, rather than the typical Donald Trump like rebuttal he gave in the first post.

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sue
10/26/2017 06:27:29 pm

Why do you people get your undies in a wad over this show? It does not pretend to be a doctoral dissertation, it is entertainment based on some history, with some silliness, some humor, some beautiful photography , and some adventure tossed in.

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N. Kent
12/15/2017 06:02:24 pm

Sue@ why ARE YOU getting YOU crotchety grannie panties in a wad ? Maybe it bugs him that mindless fools believe this crap that is touted as " History" just because it is on the the "History Channel.

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charles verrastro link
12/16/2018 12:36:12 pm

Am I the only one who is extremely disappointed to see Josh Gates descend to the lowest common denominator of the various dubious History and Science and Travel Channel shows with his new "Scooby Doo and the Ghostbusters" show (Destination Truth)? Josh at least once had a sense of wry self-deprecating humor and didn't take the various crackpot true-believers at their own word when they claimed to have uncovered the true secret to various mysteries. But in his new show he just apes the "Oooh, I heard a noise, I'm scared it must be a ghost!" (substitute Bigfoot, Chupacabra, Vampire, etc.) formula of the tired Ghost investigator unreality shows. The constantly darkened out scenes feebly lit with tiny flashlights, the faux paranormal detection devices masquerading as cutting edge hard technology posing as serious investigations. Most egregious is the obvious central casting of the blonde actress "assistant" with no apparent role other than to scream in terror every five minutes in her role as the Damsel in Distress the rest of the crew constantly races to rescue from being spooked by her own shadow.

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