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Josh Gates's "Expedition Files" Covers King Tut, Sodom, and Stonehenge Badly

12/12/2024

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​I don’t typically watch Josh Gates’s Discovery channel documentary series, and Expedition Files, the latest spinoff of Expedition Unknown, didn’t really appeal to me. Gates expends minimal effort standing in front of a screen and narrating segments comprised of b-roll and the occasional expert interview, and the topics are such hoary rehashes that In Search Of… had already done many of the same segments forty years ago. I decided to check out a couple of segments this week, however, because Gates touched on two topics that are extremely familiar to me.
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The "Expedition Files" title card.
​In last week’s third episode, Expedition Files devoted its long middle segment to the “Curse of King Tut,” evaluating two supposedly scientific explanations for the curse. The first was the old suggestion that a fungus growing in Tutankhamun’s tomb killed several of the men who excavated it. Even Gates recognizes that this does not correlate with many of the deaths, which were decidedly non-fungal. The remainder of the segment relates a “new” claim that the tomb’s limestone walls poisoned visitors with high levels of radon.
 
The claim made headlines earlier this year when Robin Fellowes published it in the quasi-academic Journal of Scientific Exploration, but Jaime Bigu made the same claim in the Journal of Environmental Radioactivity back in 1999.
 
Anyhow, Gates correctly notes that radon does not explain those who died of gunshots, suicide, or, in one case, asphyxiation by pillow. There is also no evidence that radon directly contributed to any deaths.
 
The curse narrative is especially weird since it folds in deaths that occurred over a decades, a period of time when hard-living middle-aged men do typically begin aging and dying off. It’s not much of a curse if it takes longer to enact that Tutankhamun actually reigned.
 
But most disappointingly, Gates neglected to even pay lip service to the well-known fact that the “curse” was made up by Marie Corelli from a half-remembered passage from Murtada ibn al-’Afif’s medieval history of Egypt and the more than one hundred fictional stories of vengeful mummies published in English in the years before the opening of Tut’s tomb. I covered this in detail back in 2016.
 
This week, in episode 4, all of the stories are archaeological. I’m not very interested in Roanoke, so I’ll skip over the familiar narrative. The second segment plunges into the Biblical story of Sodom, rehearsing the passages from Genesis and then falsely claiming as a new revelation that the show can only now reveal evangelical archaeologist Stephen Collins’s long-ago claim that Tell al-Hammam (also transliterated as Tall al-Hammam) was Sodom and had been destroyed by an asteroid. Collins first made the claim in 2006. The claim appeared on The Universe back in 2014, and Collins made headlines promoting it again in 2021 and again about a year ago.
 
As I wrote at the time: “The claim Tall El-Hammam was destroyed by an air burst is disputable. Its identification with Sodom is unproved and dubious, and no one has provided any evidence that an event supposedly transpiring in 1600 BCE was preserved accurately down to the composition of the first written account of Sodom in the surviving Genesis narrative, typically ascribed to the period around 500 BCE or later.” You can read more detail in the links above. Gates, of course, offers no hint that anyone disputes Collins’s claims and leaves the audience believing it had been proven conclusively.
 
The final segment delves into the history of Stonehenge. Gates discusses the legend that Merlin brought Stonehenge to England, but he mangles the story, conflating two parts of Geoffrey of Monmouth’s story given in the Historia Regum Brittaniae (8.10-12). Gates claims Merlin brought the stones from Ireland and hired giants to set them up. Geoffrey’s actual story was that giants had carried the stones from Africa to Ireland and that Merlin, much later, used his wizardry and clever technology, along with thousands of men, to move them. I’m sure no one read Geoffrey before writing this show.
 
The rest of the episode reports, without embellishment, recent research into how far across Britain the stones that make up Stonehenge traveled. A chunk of Expedition Unknown from 2021 is grafted in to fill out the time.
27 Comments
E.P. Grondine
12/12/2024 01:09:13 pm

"The claim Tall El-Hammam was destroyed by an air burst is disputable. Its identification with Sodom is unproved and dubious"

I hope I myself did not encourage you to such a view.

As you know, the claim was first made by Dr. Courty of the CNRS, and has since been adopted by others.

In other news, Randall Carlson has his own views on Plato;'s tale of Atlantis, which differ from Hancock's.

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Paul
12/14/2024 12:39:18 am

Eddie,
Anything that you say is unproved and dubious, so you fit right in with what you are saying. Kinda like looking in a mirror.

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E.P. Grondine
12/15/2024 01:15:16 pm

Hi Paul -

As the saying goes,the pioneers get all of the arrows. You would enjoy the amount of abuse I took defending Hibbens' work.

I do not have the luxury of being wrong, as I am working to define the impact hazard. And I have to fight with manned Mars enthusiasts for every dime out of the NASA budget to deal with it.. Thank g*d musk is very very wealthy.

Stony the Giant
12/16/2024 02:15:17 pm

"I do not have the luxury of being wrong"

Dude, you've made a career out of it. Why stop now?

Kent link
12/16/2024 04:32:05 pm

Why do you, Chief, persist in calling Hibben "Hibbens"? You've been doing it for at least 7 years so spare us the "I had a stroke, I can poop anywhere, I do what I want!" bs. It calls ALL of your claimed "research" into question. Still waiting on ONE photograph of a 7 foot tall Injun. You are obviously and undeniably a liar.

And just between you and me, he was "one of those". 'Nuff said.

E.P. Grondine
12/18/2024 10:30:19 am

Sorry about the ' in Hibben's.

As far as my accuracy goes, I did what I could. It is not like there was anyone else around at the time..

Kent
12/16/2024 04:24:19 pm

Saying Hancock is wrong can reliably be considered correct, but saying Hancock is wrong doesn't *ipso facto* make Carlson correct.

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Paul
12/16/2024 06:20:03 pm

Don’t know how many times it will take, Eddy.

“ Since 1998, the United States, the European Union, and other nations have been scanning the sky for NEOs in an effort called Spaceguard. The initial US Congress mandate to NASA to catalog at least 90% of NEOs that are at least 1 kilometre (0.62 mi) in diameter, sufficient to cause a global catastrophe, was met by 2011.”

Now take a deep breath and pull your head outa your arse.

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E.P.Grondine
12/18/2024 10:56:32 am

I ask myself hows many times it will take quite often.

You can present the geoloical data, but it does not sink in.

You prattle on about the Holocene Start Impact Events, but are completely unaware of the recent impact megatsunami's.

Or the smaller Key Marco or Blad Mountan's impacts.

Somebody has their head up their arse, but it is not me.

Kent link
12/18/2024 11:43:38 pm

"You prattle on about the Holocene Start Impact Events, but are completely unaware of the recent impact megatsunami's[']."

No, prattling is your lookout Chief. Wouldn't "the recent impact megatsunami's" have been in the news'? That would be kind of a big thing. If you mean "recent" in geologic term's, name one, liar.

"Sorry about the ' in Hibben's." The problem is'n't punctuation, it's that you don't know your lying hero's' lasts' name.

You and Major Ed Dames's, always' bloviating about the Killshots'. Being in the same sentences' as you sullies his names'.

Paul
12/19/2024 09:06:35 am

Eddy,
So, where is the data for these two smaller impacts that you refer to?
Up your arse, along with your head?
Maybe, your mega tsunamis washed away all your impact evidence, along with all your imaginary 7 foot tall giants, along with the mega tsunami evidence itself?
Where is your actual, indisputable data? Where are your peer reviews? Where is anything, besides fantasy?
Give it a break.

E.P. Grondine
12/19/2024 07:42:42 pm

Hi Paul - The evidence of those smaller impacts is well known to those working in the field. Used to be you'd take a course from Dallas Abbott or read Ted Bryant.

E.P. Grondine
12/19/2024 07:46:49 pm

I don't like to point out tall Andaste descendants, but since there seems to be a lack of awareness of them:

https://youtu.be/TbM4vHcRyz0?si=AlDKsNsGVoJYBWpg

Paul
12/20/2024 12:25:05 pm

So, Eddy,
When is a working group not a working group? When it is not working, as it appears to be the status of your referenced group. Doesn’t appear it had much of a following anyway.
Kind of like the link you provided that, no doubt, references yourself spouting some nonsense about some imaginary Native American population.
You would do better to stick to beading lighter coozies, that is, after you pull your head outa your arse.

Itchy pop
12/20/2024 02:19:37 pm

Most craters are surrounded by poison ivy and poison oak. If geologists are as vulnerable to this threat as archaeologists then no wonder the sites are ignored.

Kent
12/12/2024 03:58:45 pm

The intro of the show mentions "with a degree in archaeology" but it doesn't mention that Mr. Gates double-majored. His other Bachelor's degree is in ... wait for it America, Drama.

I just saw this episode too and concur with Jason.
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تل الحمام

""Tal al Hammam" in Arabic translates to "the mound of the hot spring" - "Tal" meaning "mound" and "Hammam" [not Hamam] meaning "hot bath" or "bathhouse" in Arabic; essentially referring to an ancient archaeological site with ruins of a bath complex built on a hill."

Operating on the assumption that the name is Arabic and not Aramaic I initially thought "Hammam" might be related to הָמָן, or Hāmān but it seems not.

"The Arabic word hammam (حَمَّام) means "bath", "bathroom", "bathhouse", or "swimming pool". It comes from the Arabic root H-M-M (ح م م), which has meanings related to heat or heating."

I think the shaddah here is a mistake. But Jerry? Sometimes I just don't know.

Tal تل appears to mean "hill" in modern Arabic.

That's the modern version, I have no idea about the long ago.

In the Arabic alphabet, "la" is represented by the letter "لام" (Lām), written as "ل".

It looks like none of the consonants are doubled, i.e. no Shaddah
(شَدّة) but I'll stick with the accepted transliteration though it looks like Tal al-hamam would be more correct.

I think I've confused myself now but If I could get $40,000 in funding I could research this further.

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gdave
12/13/2024 03:50:07 pm

The shaddah diacritic is often omitted in written Arabic, so you'll often seen حمام written without it. But حمام as in "hot spring" definitely has the shaddah on the medial consonant, so "hammam" with the doubled medial "m" would be an accurate transliteration. Without the shaddah, حمام "hamam" means "pigeon".

"Tal al-hamam" would be, roughly, "Pigeon Hill". Which might well be the name of an actual hill somewhere, but it's not the name of the hill in question.

English doesn't really use geminated consonants, so it's difficult for a native English speaker to get the pronunciation right, but the sounds are pretty distinct to a native Arabic speaker. When I was learning Arabic, much amusement was had by our instructors in teaching us to ask "Where is the bathroom?", as with our poor pronunciation, we were often asking "Where is the pigeon?"

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kent
12/14/2024 12:04:38 pm

Thanks, that's what I expected. An alot of a lot of languages have g.c. and it's hearable. There's an em when the lips close and an em when the lips open, like ummah أُمَّة. This is why baby's first word is often "mama", all the kid has to do is open his mouth.

Larry
12/12/2024 04:37:38 pm

How long until Gates claims Templar ancestry?

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dj
12/13/2024 12:20:51 am

Odd that the actual Biblical reason for God destroying Sodom and Gomorrah was-conspicuously-never mentioned. Townspeople demanded that Lot produce his visitors in order to rape them due to homosexuality being commonplace in that city. I'm sure political correctness is the reason for the omission and equally sure my comment will not be published, but the truth is the truth, even all these years later. If you're not going to tell the real story, keep it to yourself.

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kent
12/13/2024 12:45:30 pm

The baseline assumption for anything in the Bible should be that it's not true and never happened. A reasonable person might assume that it's the homosexuality or non-mention of it that bothers you but you're a bit squiffy on the rape thing and don't seem to have a problem with Lot offering the mob his virgin daughters to "do to them as you please". That's queer, Shirley? Not to worry, the IDF has you covered. As the Giant on Twin Peaks said "It's happening again."

"Hear the screams from Center 42
Loud enough to bust your brains out
The opposition's tongue is cut in two
Keep off the street 'cause you're in danger
One hundred thousand disparus
Lost in the jails in South America

"Tom's always on guard against the homosexual agenda. No offense."

The sex police are out there on the streets
Make sure the pass laws are not broken
The race militia has got itchy fingers
All the way from New York back to Africa"

"Reading the story of Sodom as being about homosexuality is like reading the story of an ax murderer as being about an ax."
- Jay Michaelson

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An Over-Educated Grunt
12/13/2024 02:12:16 pm

Could just be God frowns on violating the law of hospitality, as once under Lot's roof he had a duty to protect them. Could be God frowns on gang rape regardless of gender. Could be any number of obscure causes in a millennia-old story that guaranteed isn't in its original form. Odds of it being specifically fully consensual male-male relationships are about even with it being because they wore both wool and linen.

But, speaking of hospitality, it's generally bad form to tell one's host that God particularly hates him. So, if I'm right about guest-right... might be looking for fireballs if I were you.

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Josh Gates would not have a story
12/13/2024 04:35:17 am

If he stuck to the historical facts!

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Tree Ring a Bell
12/13/2024 07:53:07 am

The 1600 BCE would be in range of the Thera Event. If I remember correctly, the dendrology pointed to 1637 BCE +/-5yrs.

It is interesting to note, Stonehenge was originally set up at another location. The Stones were then dismantled and moved to their current location. Not by any of the means mentioned. No wizards or giants.

I personally don't know how anyone watches Gates. He would eat yellow snow if, you told him it was banana flavored. Just the impression I get. I get similar vibes from Tucks Carlson.

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E.P.Grondine
12/18/2024 11:04:12 am

The initial count that I had was 1628 BCE. Where didyou get that new one?

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Luke l
12/13/2024 01:28:37 pm

Of course it was giants. Not humans using trial and error.

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kent
12/21/2024 03:46:15 pm

Saw a rerun today of one of these *Expedition Unknown* where Mr. Gates marveled that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah was included not just in *The Bible* but also in *The Torah*. SMFH. Whaddaya, whaddaya, whaddaya gonna do?

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