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Now Voyager, a new magazine for longform journalism, published a new 8,000-word story about Graham Hancock’s and Flint Dibble’s 4.5-hour-long debate on The Joe Rogan Experience in 2024. “Bones of Contention,” by freelance culture and entertainment journalist Chantel Tattoli, who frequently writes for the New York Times, provides biographies of both men, a brief account of their debate, and short coda about the new projects both men undertook afterward. I feel like, given the length of the story and the convoluted path it took to publication (it is believed to be the story that compelled Hancock to appear on a recent podcast to defend himself), there should be more to say about it. But there is nothing new in the story, certainly nothing to justify spending $160 for an annual subscription to Now Voyager, or even $7 for the article. Far from the devastating portrait Hancock feared, it’s a fairly straightforward recital of what most of my readers already know. My biggest problem with the article is that it lacked a strong sense of purpose. Tattoli never quite decided if the article should be a tick-tock of the lead up to a titanic podcast clash (which might have been dramatically compelling with stronger reporting), a cultural evaluation of the lost civilization theme, or a meditation on the question of who represents “truth” in the twenty-first century. As a result, it isn’t really much of anything at all.
Tattoli is strongest in providing biographies of Hancock and Dibble, though much of the information is well-known. In Hancock’s case, he tried to get ahead of the elements that might have surprised readers—particularly some of his father’s more unpleasant behavior—by telling the same stories, in nearly the same words, on the Diary of CEO podcast. Tattoli does a good job of tracing both men’s paths toward representing their respective sides of the Atlantis question and the role that their respective upbringings played in shaping their worldviews. However, where Tattoli walks up to insight, she never quite achieves the goal. She discusses, for instance, the similarities between Graham Hancock’s books and those of Ignatius Donnelly. She says that Hancock “discovered” Donnelly in the late 1980s and that “Hancock had found a soul brother.” However, whether due to authorial oversight or editorial negligence, no proof supports these statements, and it is unclear whether Hancock actually believed this or whether Tattoli is speaking metaphorically. We know from the introduction to Fingerprints of the Gods, where Hancock name-checks Donnelly as an inspiration, that he read him, but it would have been nice to have in his own words or from evidence exactly how he felt about Donnelly. As best I can tell, Tattoli never asked and extrapolated two paragraphs about Donnelly from that single sentence in Fingerprints. Similarly, throughout the piece there is an overreliance on previously published interviews, giving the story a dated, half-hearted feeling. Tattoli met with Hancock in person and spent the day with him at Stonehenge, and yet most of what we hear from him in the story comes from other interviews and previously published writings. Since Dibble has much less on record, his half of the story is more clearly rooted in the day they spent together in Athens. Despite the article’s great length, it is oddly hollow. Tattoli’s account of the Rogan debate contains no fresh insights. There are no interviews with Rogan or his staff, very little reference to statistics about viewership, no real reporting into what went on behind the scenes. It’s mostly just a summary of the video as seen on YouTube. — No, that’s not quite right. It talks about the debate without really getting into the weeds of claims involved. Throughout the story, Tattoli references specific claims and bits of evidence, but she paints no overarching picture of the evidentiary case or its underpinnings—particularly what Hancock considers his strongest suit, the use of myths and legends. (Despite Tattoli framing the argument as Hancock vs. archaeology, his books are as much about history, mythology, and folklore as they are about archaeological evidence.) Compare, for example, my review of Hancock’s Magicians of the Gods where I outline the argument and where it goes wrong, showing how Hancock assembles the pieces and how the house of cards collapses under its own weight. Granted, we are writing for vastly different audiences, but without that kind of granular understanding of the intricacies of the evidence, the piece can’t help but portray Hancock as more or less the equal of the archaeology he condemns. It's clear that Tattoli thinks Hancock is wrong and a crank, but the article was far from a full-throated condemnation of pretenders to science. She devoted too much space to personality to do more than sketch the actual stakes involved and why it is that so many are attracted to epic fantasies about the past, and why they care so passionately about an imaginary lost civilization. “While Hancock’s beliefs have not, on balance, changed much since the nineties,” she concludes, “the collective consciousness has edged closer and closer to his frame of mind. In the United States, media and science literacy has collapsed, replaced by the ‘do your own research’ mentality of Facebook antivaxxers, and the valuation of amateurs ‘just asking questions’ above experts.” This is the kind of assertion that ought to be proven from the article, not simply accepted as a truism. All in all, “Bones of Contention” is not a bad article, but also not a good one. It might serve to introduce readers of longform journalism to the personalities involved in a now years-old Joe Rogan podcast, but I expected something more, or at least something new.
29 Comments
7/14/2026 11:28:13 pm
The existence of Atlantis doesn't rest on the account of Plato alone.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/15/2026 12:54:56 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
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7/16/2026 09:54:59 am
G'runt, you are so juiced up on debunking hormones that you can't even think straight. You don't have the constitution for this. You are far too tender. So, you hide behind a mask and take pot shots. And it's best to remain behind that defilade soldier, because I'm sure the people that process your security clearance would be pleased to know that although you slander others in your spare time, therapy has been helpful to you in the past. Go back to just being the nice guy you are at heart. As for K'ant, I don't think there is any hope (lol).
An Over-Educated Grunt
7/17/2026 10:20:10 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
kent
7/15/2026 03:02:13 pm
"The existence of Atlantis doesn't rest on the account of Plato alone."
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7/16/2026 10:08:46 am
Your comment is such a typical example of academic hubris, or academic wannabee hubris, as it may be. Rather than letting someone’s insights stand on their own merits, you have to try to prejudice everyone against them with vague denouncements and ad hominem attacks. Is that really still considered state-of-the-art debunkmanship. It is how women argue with their husbands. It's all emotional bluster.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/17/2026 10:20:59 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
kent
7/27/2026 06:00:17 pm
"prejudice everyone against them with vague denouncements and ad hominem attacks." Oh (lol) I'm sorry (lol) was I being vague? (lol) I think you are an ass who in a just universe would have been killed by a random (lol) street "NBA player" (your term lol) in a still unsolved street crime decades ago (lol). It's totes adorbs that you think Democratizitians are the party of anti-semitism. That's not how things work here in Tel Aviv West. Once you clue in to the fact that Three Days of the Condor and It Takes a Thief are the same movie despite one being a TV show it all makes sense.
Mean R Queried
7/15/2026 07:31:52 pm
How could you possibly know that?
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7/16/2026 10:36:33 am
The world really is THE stage for those elites that still run the show. And, yes, I wrote a two-volume opus on the Shakespeare Plays, which identifies the royal persons represented by every character of every play. They were running game then, and they still do today. Except they now document the relationships through Disney movies instead. History repeats itself, because there is a group of people that makes sure that it does! It's how they maintain the control.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/17/2026 10:20:51 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
An Over-Educated Grunt
7/17/2026 10:27:06 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
Mean R Queried
7/19/2026 01:06:15 am
Hello, Charles N. Pope. Please reconsider doing R.C.H.'s show.
Achilles
7/20/2026 03:38:58 pm
"Except they now document the relationships through Disney movies" - you surely must realize how this sounds for the people that are not you, don't you? 7/20/2026 04:37:41 pm
The Book of Genesis of course mentions the "Sons of God" who "came down." These correspond to the "second generation" members of the pantheon, such Horus the Elder and Set. Set would have been the true father of the Nephilim Shem by a "mortal woman." Nephilim Ham (Horus the Younger, referred to as the first "royal person") would have been true son of Horus the Elder (Mehushael / Michael / Yaddi-el), and only the honorary son of Osiris (Mehujael / Raphael / Asa-el).
An Over-Educated Grunt
7/20/2026 07:42:58 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews. 7/20/2026 10:17:07 pm
Of course I know how silly it sounds that Disney movies are being used for Deep State messaging. Yet, it's no more silly (and no less popular) than the Shakespeare plays of the first Queen Elizabeth's reign.
An Over-Educated Grunt
7/22/2026 08:13:17 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
kent
7/27/2026 10:25:38 pm
" my work still rains on everyone's parade." I'm no stranger to compulsive even abrasive masturbation but it never occurred to me to fob it off as "work"! Thanks for the pro-tip. Oops! Gotta skedaddle, time to go to work!
Mean R Queried
7/15/2026 11:12:46 pm
P.S.
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Reality
7/16/2026 06:39:48 am
One interesting thing I found is that "Scientologists" on the authority of "L Ron Hubbard" also insist that aliens built Atlantis before it was destroyed...
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Mean R Queried
7/19/2026 02:02:21 am
Hello, Kent. Have a cool disco dancing American Egg Roll, but hopefully not one in a wrapper made with eggs of American egrets.
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E.P. Grondine
7/16/2026 08:46:45 am
There is new tree ring data. It turns out there was an impact in the Atlantic in 1194 bce. So much for the conjectures about thera.
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7/17/2026 05:06:08 pm
Due to "post-glacial rebound" and rising sea levels the Mid-Atlantic Ridge has sunk considerably since the end of the last ice age. Sea levels have risen around 400 feet. At the same time, the Earth's crust along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge has subsided by at least that much, which means that significantly more land mass was above sea level along the ridge during the ice age. We just need Robert Ballard to go looking for it (lol).
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/17/2026 10:21:17 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews.
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7/18/2026 05:08:18 pm
Reminder: G'runt is a spoiled-sport who claims to be a government employee, yet engages in highly unethical behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if he even uses a government computer to post from.
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7/18/2026 09:16:27 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews. 7/18/2026 05:20:42 pm
P.S.
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An Over-Educated Grunt
7/18/2026 07:36:30 pm
Reminder: This is a man who insists there's a 1:1 correlation between the Sons of Israel and the Egyptian gods, if you gender flip half of them and ignore the relationships between Egyptian deities. This is also a man who believes in a hidden, Elders of Zion style international Deep State, and has on this very blog asserted the Holocaust was good for Jews. Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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