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Review of "Ancient Apocalypse: The Americas"

10/16/2024

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​Two years after Ancient Apocalypse caused a media firestorm by putting on Netflix claims Graham Hancock had been making in print and online for decade, the show returned with a second season focused on the Americas. While the first season sparked outraged because elite media types were finally forced by the Netflix algorithm to see on a screen what they paid no attention to in print, the second season seems positioned to avoid some of the same backlash. Netflix released Hancock’s second foray into arguing that a comet destroyed a lost civilization in mid-October, after the first came out in late November 2022. This seems purposely chosen to drop while the mainstream media are focused on the upcoming election, limiting the time and attention they will devote to bashing Hancock’s show.
 
And, as we all know, the sequel is never as good as the original.
​In this review, I’ll discuss each of the series’ six forty-minute episodes, each labeled as a “chapter” rather than given a formal title. There might have been a time when I would have spread this out over six days of analysis, but that time has passed. Dozens of Hancock’s critics have already lined up for a point-by-point rebuttal, and the episodes are divided in an entirely arbitrary way—it’s basically a four-hour documentary randomly cut up for streaming.
 
Chapter I
As with the first series, the second is beautifully produced with dramatic cinematography, soaring music, and smooth graphics—all in service of claims that have never been fact-checked. The opening minutes, when Hancock discusses the Clovis-first hypothesis as a dogma that “had been held so firmly and for so long” that no archaeologist dare question it, are a case in point. Clovis-first lasted barely thirty years; it has been gone nearly that long, and yet Hancock, discussing what “we were taught” in “the 1990s” is deeply enmeshed in the intellectual climate of the twentieth century, as though the period from 1955 to 1995 is frozen in time and everyone else is trapped in it, too.
 
Anyhow, Chapter I explores the discovery of Ice Age human footprints at White Sands, New Mexico, dating back 23,000 years, long before Clovis. This is not a secret—it’s on the White Sands National Park’s website. “We’re going to have to completely change the story of the peopling of the Americas in light of this new evidence,” Hancock said, though my archaeology textbook when I was in school in 2000 already included information about the likelihood of sea-born movements of people into the Americas thousands of years before Clovis. “Archaeologists are opening their eyes and their minds to the possibility of a much older human presence!” Hancock insists—but, again, this has been the case for at least twenty-five years and is completely standard information to anyone whose intellectual framework isn’t frozen in the late twentieth century.
 
Hancock is a little slippery in this episode, conflating the peopling of the Americas—by humans who hadn’t invented shoes—with his advanced world-mapping, monument-building Ice Age super-civilization, and hoping that rants against archaeologists and bombastic music will paper over the switch. His singular “civilization” subtly became “civilizations” (the original returns later, in diminished form, as guys on boats who like stars and rocks) and his ancient apocalypse of 10,500 BCE transformed into a general inquiry into “human history.”
 
Then Keanu Reeves appears for no discernable reason halfway through the episode to tell Hancock that he is “on a quest to teach and bring understanding” while Hancock repeats his standard lines about his greatness, his tenacity, and three decades of trying to recover lost wisdom. For Hancock, “the past is all about mystery,” Hancock says in the most honest moment of the show. It’s not about answers—it’s about the frisson of excitement—Reeves even says at one point that Hancock makes boring old history seem “exciting”—that comes from working on an insoluble puzzle.
 
In the back half of the episode, Hancock travels to the Amazon to view geoglyphs. Hundreds litter the Amazon, and they are believed to date back to around 1000 BCE to 1000 CE, and Brazilian researchers believe they were ritual sites for communicating with otherworldly beings. Once again, though, while Hancock presents this as shocking new proof that archaeologists were wrong about everything, archaeologists have been researching human habitation of the Amazon for decades, and the geoglyphs, along with agricultural sites, have been known and investigated since I was a child.
 
Since nothing in this episode has anything to do with Atlantis or comets, “Chapter 1,” is basically a PBS documentary spiced with some angry rants about the very archaeologists who provide the information used in the episode.
 
Chapter II
The second chapter returns to the question of how many geoglyphs and earthworks are in the Amazon, a question that, while interesting, has little to do with the supposed question of Atlantis and comets. Elsewhere in the Brazilian Amazon, Hancock visits a ridge called Serra do Paituna, which is covered in red and yellow rock art. Hancock speaks with Christophere Sean Davis, the author of a retracted paper on the site that falsely claimed they served as an Ice Age solar calendar, based on faulty measurements. Now, Davis is on Hancock’s show to tell him that the site dates back to around 11,000 BCE—fascinating in its own right, but nothing like the high civilization of Atlantis. Other rock art is said to date back 25,000 years, and Hancock notes that the end of the rock art era, around 10,500 BCE, seems to coincide with his comet strike date and with indigenous myths of a flood. (The myths bear a striking resemblance to Noah’s Flood, which likely contaminated them in the colonial era.) It becomes clear that Hancock’s thesis now isn’t about a lost high civilization but simply about how far back he can claim hunter-gatherers roamed the Americas. It’s not quite as compelling.
 
We get around the comet at one point, and Hancock half-heartedly tries to claim a wheel-shaped piece of rock art is a picture of the comet, but this doesn’t hold much interest anymore. Instead, he speaks about a “DNA signal” from across the Pacific, and rather than get into it all again, I’ll just quote what I said in reviewing his chapter on this in his book: “the scholarly literature indicates that the Amazonian DNA findings are not consistent with a relatively recent trans-Pacific migration but must have been present in the founding populations.” That is—early Americans descended from a population that originated in Southeast Asia or Melanesia. But Hancock has learned nothing over the years and instead visits Easter Island, which wasn’t settled until no earlier than 800 CE, and possibly as late as 1200 CE, and has nothing to do with ancient “Pacific” DNA in South America.
 
Hancock avoids the dates for Easter Island and instead calls all research on the island and its statues “speculation.” A long segment on the moai offers nothing much of substance beyond the island’s myth of a flood and repeats material from Heaven’s Mirror (1998) and its TV version, Quest for the Lost Civilization. But the collapse of Rapa Nui’s population and culture and centuries of colonialism and Christianization make it difficult to draw firm conclusions about exactly how much of flood story with its culture heroes is independent of the Noachian flood legend, and Hancock chooses not to deal with this question but to speculate instead that some unevidenced lost race secretly populated Easter Island long before the Polynesians. Hancock scoffs at the idea that primitive Polynesians could have carved statues themselves and says they merely repositioned older statues. The trouble with that is the moai are similar to other Polynesian statues across the Pacific. Even if we grant Hancock that Easter Islanders lacked carving skills, we needn’t imagine Atlantis doing it ten thousand years earlier (has he heard of erosion?) but only that more Polynesians made the trek to Easter Island from where they were already carving similar statues.
 
Hancock finishes the episode by claiming the moai heads poking up from the ground were buried by thousands of years of sedimentation.
 
Chapter III
The third chapter presents the claim that bananas were introduced to Easter Island 3,000 years ago. (Easter Island isn’t really part of the Americas, but it counts, I guess, because it belongs to Chile.) Recent research has discovered banana evidence in Vanuatu around that time, perhaps suggesting a brief period of exploration across the Pacific that did not take permanent hold on Easter Island. But even if we accept this unchallenged, bananas on Rapa Nui around 1200 BCE has no connection to a lost civilization in 10,500 BCE—though Graham Hancock says that there could be an Ice Age settlement that left no trace whatsoever. He returns to his argument from Underworld that his lost civilization vanished under the waves when the continental shelf was flooded at the end of the Ice Age, something none of the underwater archaeology done anywhere in the world has ever found any trace of.
 
Hancock also bashes the Easter Island people for having a writing system, calling it a “paradox” that they could have thought up something like that all on their own. Therefore, he speculates that the “actual language used by the lost civilization I’ve been searching for” is preserved on Easter Island’s rongorongo tablets. Repeating material from Heaven’s Mirror, he points to a basalt platform as too perfect to be the work of dim ol’ Eastern Islanders, so it had to be the work of a lost civilization, and then he suggests that any ancient place whose name refers to the navel is a lost civilization’s sacred outpost.
 
Hancock says that in the Ice Age, a chain of islands led from Rapa Nui to Paracas in Peru, directly to the spot where the geoglyph known as the Candelabra of the Andes now sits. It dates to 200 BCE, but Hancock lets that slip by so he can repeat Spanish accounts of the myths of Viracocha, the culture hero gave civilization to ancient South Americans. Hancock overemphasizes the idea that Viracocha arrived following a cataclysm that destroyed civilization—he was, in standard account, a creator god who created the heavens and the earth and then wandered it dispensing civilization. Thus, the comparison between Viracocha and the king who founded Rapa Nui isn’t as exact as Hancock pretends.
 
Keanu Reeves pops up again to agree that myths encode prehistoric global wisdom.
 
Hancock then returns to Sacsayhuaman in Peru to marvel at its megalithic architecture and express bafflement that such a thing could be built. Sacsayhuaman is usually attributed to the Inca, though some archaeologists attribute it to a pre-Inca culture dating back a century or two earlier. Hancock argues that the Inca weren’t able to build such monuments (citing a Spanish source writing that the Inca couldn’t move a large rock decades after the Conquest, after many elites had died and much knowledge lost) so it has to be from the Ice Age. But as you can see from the photo below, most cyclopean architecture isn’t made from humongous blocks, and if you conceded that the Inca and their predecessors could move and shape these smaller blocks perfectly, then it is no stretch to understand that they could shape bigger ones, too. Hancock calls it, instead, “an enigma we cannot explain.”
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​Indeed, at one point, Hancock stands next to these very stones, many barely two feet high, marveling that they are “humongous” and listens to a Jesus Gamarra, a “vitrification” advocate and son of Alfredo Gamarra, who believed ancient sites were built when Earth had a different orbit around the sun and different gravity (!), tell him they were poured from a liquid. Uh-huh. Makes the quarries rather redundant.
 
Hancock cites global cyclopean architecture to argue it is a “technology” from a lost past. The reason for the polygonal cyclopean construction, however, is twofold: (a) it’s easier to bang rocks into shapes similar to what you are starting from than it is to cut perfectly straight lines and 90-degree angles, and (b) the irregular pattern is more stable and will stand up to shifting earth and earthquakes better than regular blocks. We only use highly regular blocks because they are easier to package, transport by ship or cart, and move with machines—issues that didn’t apply at Sacsayhuaman.
 
Chapter IV
Jesus Gamarra keeps blathering about vitrified rocks, and Hancock seems to be all-in on the idea of stone being superheated, shaped, and then cooled into temples and walls. But if you could do that, why bother shaping blocks at all? Like Erich von Däniken in Gold of the Gods, Hancock goes on a tour of South American sites supposedly made by vitrifying stone, though even Hancock notes that there are other explanations for narrow tunnels with a polished surface, such as centuries of polishing from people, animals, and goods moving through them. Hancock calls South American stonework “impossible.”
 
Hancock then repeats the Viracocha claims again, adding that the Spanish recorded a legend that Viracocha used a heat source to make stone blocks “light as a feather” so they could be floated into walls. This is a badly mangled version of a fable Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa recorded in chapter 9 of his History of the Incas:
​[Viracocha], falling on his knees on some plain ground, with his hands clasped, fire from above came down upon those on the hill, and covered all the place, burning up the earth and stones like straw. Those bad men were terrified at the fearful fire. They came down from the hill, and sought pardon from Viracocha for their sin. Viracocha was moved by compassion. He went to the flames and put them out with his staff. But the hill remained quite parched up, the stones being rendered so light by the burning that a very large stone which could not have been carried on a cart, could be raised easily by one man. (trans. Clements Markham)
​Not the story Hancock gives in the show.
 
Somehow or another—I admit I am not following the leaps back and forth between sites—we are back at the Amazon earthworks, where Hancock discusses new research into the cities and settlements of the Amazon a second time. This time we’re talking about terra preta, the soil resulting from ancient slash-and-burn agriculture. The people who lived in the Amazon managed their world, but Hancock goes father than the evidence allows and suggests that the majority of the Amazon was intentionally planted, not that the selection of trees favored by humans is the result of repeated slash-and-burn cycles and selecting among plants that grew atop fallow or abandoned fields. Either way, it’s not really relevant to the lost Ice Age civilization since even Hancock admits that this process occurred nearly 10,000 years later.
 
The episode ends with Hancock discussing ayahuasca and suggesting that ancient knowledge came from a supernatural realm accessible through altered states of consciousness.
 
Chapter V
The fifth episode continues Hancock’s advocacy for ayahuasca and his belief that geometric-patterned art worldwide is inspired by psychedelics. Hancock covered this in his book Supernatural (2005), and there is nothing terribly controversial about the idea that ancient people used psychedelic and hallucinogenic substances. Hancock concludes that Amazonian earthworks, being geometric, must have been inspired by psychedelic visions, which is a bit of a stretch. Shapes happen to be one of the most important ways humans connect lines together, and circles and squares are the most logical enclosures.
 
Hancock angrily insists that North American mounds must be connected to South American earthworks, despite being separated by time, distance, and culture, because they also use squares and circles. Coincidence, he says, cannot explain the astonishing occurrence of squares and circles being deployed in two locations. Hancock says that these earthworks all encode astronomical alignments, which he also believes cannot be a coincidence since only a “lost civilization of the Ice Age” would have thought to look up at the sky.
 
He visits the Ancestral Pueblo (a.k.a. Anasazi) site of Pueblo Bonito, with its tall buildings and circular kivas, and again insists that it is unfathomable why indigenous people would go to “such lengths” to build a big building. Even he, however, can’t deny that the trees used in its construction prove that it was built starting around 850 CE, so it can’t be an Ice Age great house. “Why did they build all these structures?” Hancock asks. He also asks why they bothered to align buildings to the 18.6-year lunar cycle. Recognizing them as spiritual structures, he then speculates that all circular ancient structures, like Göbekli Tepe, are connected to a lost Ice Age spiritual system related underground shelters used to hide from the air burst caused by a fragmented comet, and he argues that Chaco Canyon great houses were a ritual lunar calendar spread across the desert. (This is not really controversial; even PBS did a documentary on Chaco Canyon’s many solar and lunar alignments—and they didn’t need a lost civilization to explain how Native people could look at the sky.) He concludes that there was a “worldwide project” to align buildings to the sun and the moon, which, I guess, wouldn’t have been important or noticeable to anyone without Atlantis insisting on it.
 
The episode ends in Palenque where Hancock pretends to be surprised that Maya structures were aligned to equinoxes and solstices. “But why would they go to so much trouble?” Hancock asks, apparently believing indigenous people to be naturally lazy. It’s not really that much trouble; it just takes planning, which is fairly standard for sacred and religious sites.
 
Chapter VI
Finally, we come to the last episode. By this point, I am somewhere between bored with the general lack of engaging content and angry at the borderline racist questioning of indigenous intelligence and capability. We resume in Palenque, with Hancock visiting at the spring equinox to observe solar alignments. We hear about the legend of the feathered serpent god Kukulkan (Quetzalcoatl to the Aztec) and his astronomical connections, including the famous spring equinox snake illusion at Chichén Itza’s El Castillo. Hancock reverts back to his Fingerprints of the Gods days by claiming Quetzalcoatl, Kukulkan, Oannes (from Babylon), and Osiris were all the same figure, a traveling emissary from the lost civilization—though their stories bear no great similarity beyond being culture heroes. None of them survived the destruction of a lost civilization, despite Hancock’s claims that all are said to be cataclysm survivors. (That idea is a legacy of medieval Arabic-language pyramid lore, adapting Noachian flood myths.) Ed Barnhardt, who praised Hancock on Lex Fridman’s podcast recently, shows up to talk about the Maya here, and now we know why he praised Hancock’s research so effusively.
 
Hancock discusses the Maya calendar’s cycles at great length, including the idea of cyclical destruction of the Earth. He discusses with Barnhardt the Maya obsession with time and his claim that the Maya calendar is a legacy from a lost civilization that “needed” large numbers. (So how does he explain that it is built upon earlier calendars with shorter counts?) Barnhardt then, quite shockingly for an archaeologist but not for his other job as an Ancient Aliens talking head, claims all of archaeology is built on speculation and that there are “few facts” in the field of archaeology, apparently declining to identify evidence such as artifacts, their position, and their dating as facts and confusing them with interpretation, which emerges from theory.
 
This leads to Hancock engaging in some revisionist history, now saying it was “never correct” that the Maya saw 2012 as the end of the world; however, in Fingerprints of the Gods (1995) Hancock wrote explicitly that the Maya “believed that the cycle will come to an end, amid global destruction, on 4 Ahu 3 Kankin; 23 December 2012 in our calendar. […] So, at any rate, thought the Maya.” Now, Hancock revises the Maya apocalypse to refer to “the eighty-year period between 2000 and 2080,” letting him serve as a prophet of doom again predicting that we live in an age of collapse. “That is our experience of the world today,” Hancock said, claiming that the Maya accurately foresaw a “world-changing apocalypse.”
 
Hancock talks about the widespread notion of the Milky Way as a river of souls to the afterlife, and Keanu Reeves pops in once more to nod in agreement. (While the Milky Way as a celestial river is widespread in mythology worldwide, it’s hard to draw universal conclusions, even in the Americas, as there are hundreds of different myths and legends in addition to this one.) We hear some more about calendrical lore from Davis, who implies a “deep” lore about the sun, and then Hancock gives his peroration about a “common source” standing behind similar shapes, colors, stories, and interests worldwide, that source being something like Atlantis rather than the common creativity, genius, and curiosity of the human mind.
 
We end with Keanu Reeves giggling giddily about Hancock “taking on every childhood misconception about the world” and Hancock asking what will “come to light” next.
 
That’s about right: an actor incoherently rambling about imagined lies he half understands with an angry old man who proudly takes credit for work real archaeologists are doing, all while swirling camerawork and bombastic music take the place of evidence--Ancient Apocalypse in a nutshell. Look, if you want to argue that Stone Age people had myths and legends and made observations of the sun and moon and stars and some of this knowledge passed down to descendant people, that is justifiable, if not fully provable. It is not the same as claiming vast cities of stone vanished without a trace while survivors paddled their boats to the far corners of the Earth over a period of thousands of years to seed science and star-lore among benighted people. All told, this was a duller trip than the first; the newness wore off with the first season, and even if you are inclined to a lost civilization, Hancock struggled to make his claims resonate as deeply the second time.
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Tony
10/16/2024 03:53:33 pm

Regarding the dating of sacsayhuaman, there was an excavation near sacsayhuaman that found an earlier Kilke culture site dating to a few centuries prior, but that stonework was much less refined and not megalithic, so shouldn’t be assumed that they constructed the fortress itself. Multiple spanish chroniclers did however record via the Inca’s oral history that Sacsayhuaman was indeed constructed by them, mostly during the reign of Topa Inca, son of Pachacuti. Cieza Del Leon has the best account of that, recording that it involved 20,000 workers, with 6,000 pulling the megaliths with ropes. The city of cusco was completely tornes down and reconstructed during the reign of Patchacuti, according to the Betanzos chronicle, where that had similar masonry as sacsayhuaman. That stonework is also characteristic of other inca sites, is centered in cusco, but where that style, with the distinctive trapazoidal doors and windows stretches throughout their empire. Based on that it doesn’t seem accurate to attribute sacsayhuaman fortress to an earlier culture.

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Kent
10/16/2024 07:03:10 pm

It's a pity you never acquired Double Space technology 'cause paragraph breaks are kewl. If you want people to think you're not a mental patient and are kewl, use paragraphs.

This is addressed Hancockward and not at Jason:

Yeah people see stuff when they're trippin' but I enjoyed the heck out of my Spirograph long before I looked into psychedelics. The effing Greeks invented cycloids and stuff. Ever drawn an ellipse with two thumbtacks and a string? People explore, even on the natch.

Dude. If you like drugs, fine but don't use everything in the world to justify it. You can go to town and still retain your faculties.

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Jack Tors
10/17/2024 06:41:07 pm

People will think you are even cooler if you avoid dense, convoluted prose while criticizing someone for lacking a couple of paragraph breaks.

E.P. Grondine
10/18/2024 09:00:03 am

Thank you very much for your summary. Hancock' s archaeology is pretty (very) bad. That said, was there any mention of the Holocene Start Impact Events?

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Hello World
10/25/2024 05:09:01 pm

Counter-Theory: Independent Convergences and Intermittent Migration Waves

Overview
The counter-theory proposes that rather than a single, advanced civilization passing down a unified legacy of knowledge, human progress has been shaped by multiple, independent migratory waves from Africa and Asia to other continents. These migrations occurred over tens of thousands of years, with different groups of humans establishing communities across Europe, Asia, Oceania, and the Americas, often independently. The parallels in cultural achievements—like monumental architecture, advanced mathematics, and art—arise from similar environmental challenges and cognitive development rather than inheritance from a lost civilization.

Key Elements of the Counter-Theory

1. Nonlinear and Recurrent Migrations

Genetic and archaeological evidence indicates that humans left Africa in several waves, some as early as 210,000 years ago. These populations dispersed across continents, adapting uniquely to local environments.

For instance, coastal migration routes along ice edges could have led to early settlement in the Americas before the main land bridge migration. This would account for artifacts and DNA evidence suggesting multiple points of origin for Native American populations.

These recurrent waves allowed distinct populations to establish themselves, thrive, and occasionally fail due to factors like natural disasters, resource scarcity, or climatic shifts, explaining why some early settlements disappeared without leaving major cultural legacies.



2. Environmental Constraints and Innovations

Each group faced similar survival challenges, leading to convergent cultural developments. For example, pyramid-like structures appear in Egypt, Mesoamerica, and Mesopotamia not because of shared knowledge but due to their stability as architectural forms in societies aiming to build tall structures.

As humans observed celestial movements, mathematical principles likely emerged independently in different societies, enabling the construction of complex calendars and astronomical alignments across separate civilizations.



3. Trial, Error, and Cultural Reinvention

Unlike a single legacy passed down, this model suggests that each region had its “eureka” moments, evolving through trial and error. The development of agriculture, writing, and metallurgy appeared independently in Mesopotamia, Mesoamerica, and the Indus Valley, indicating isolated innovation rather than diffusion from a singular source.

Local environmental factors drove unique technological developments, such as terracing in Andean cultures to prevent soil erosion in mountainous regions or irrigation systems in Mesopotamia to manage river flooding.



4. Genetic Evidence and Diversity

Recent genetic findings highlight the diversity among early humans, indicating limited contact between groups who migrated into different parts of Eurasia and the Americas. For example, genetic studies have found evidence of ancient populations in the Americas predating the Clovis culture, implying separate migratory events without intercontinental knowledge transfer.

Genetic markers found in Indigenous populations of the Americas align more closely with Siberian and East Asian ancestors, supporting a scenario of multiple waves rather than a single originating culture with shared “advanced” knowledge.



5. Failure of Early Settlements

Many early settlements vanished due to environmental shifts, natural disasters, or internal conflicts. For example, the collapse of early South American cultures could be attributed to climate events like droughts or earthquakes rather than the loss of ancient wisdom.

This counters Hancock’s idea of a single knowledge-bearing civilization; instead, it shows that human societies often had to rebuild and innovate anew, resulting in isolated achievements.



6. Symbolic Similarities as Evolutionary and Psychological Universals

Psychological research suggests that symbolic thinking, storytelling, and the use of geometric shapes are universal human traits. Triangles, circles, and other basic forms appear in the art and structures of civilizations worldwide due to their simplicity and visual stability, rather than any inherited significance.

The human tendency to assign symbolic meaning to celestial bodies, as seen in both the Americas and the Middle East, is a natural outgrowth of observation and an evolved tendency to seek patterns rather than a cultural memory of a single ancestral civilization.




Conclusion of the Counter-Theory

This theory suggests that human civilization developed in parallel trajectories, shaped by migration patterns, environmental constraints, and universal cognitive tendencies rather than inheritance from a single lost civilization. It allows for early migrations like the ice route to the Americas, regional innovations, and multiple rise-and-fall cycles within isolated cultures.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/27/2024 07:24:13 pm

Next time, include "be concise" in your prompt.

Raquel
10/17/2024 01:27:02 am

An an Archaeologist, thank you. Thank you for shining a light on this snake-oil salesman. There is so much wrong with what he says that it can be overwhelming to even know where to begin. It’s like having someone say that every mechanic on the planet is behind a secret that cars don’t exist. It’s so mind-numbingly silly that we shouldn’t even have to dignify it with a response, yet here we are. He’s rolling in cash, while happily selling lies. So thank you for taking the time to step through his tired, outdated and repeatedly debunked fantasies. Let’s hope his money making schemes run out of puff soon, because real archaeology is amazing and deserves to be celebrated.

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Bezalel
10/19/2024 09:31:10 am

Big + one there.

If there’s one use that the Hancock movement has maybe is moving toward finally exposing with clarity that our American society is not spending anywhere near as much money on archaeology as we are on military technology.

Science and progress are painfully slow because the general public is not vested in the scientific method or in exploration. Archaeology just one example. If we had spent the same money over the last 75 years on archaeology as we had on military technology then we’d be a lot further ahead.

Much of the presently unknown and unexplored areas in South America and Central America would be known by now.

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Doc rock
10/19/2024 04:25:56 pm

Mr bezalel

I don't think that spending money on research is going to stop the nutcases. NASA has spent a kajillion dollars on space exploration and study. Yet everyone from flat earthers to Ancient Aliens types continue to thrive. Ditto for medical research in contrast to "alternative" medicine.

Scholars have been researching and writing about large societies in the Amazon for over 50 years. The hancock types sell it as something new that scholars were scared to do until recently. Anything they find will either be ignored by the nut jobs or spun to support their delusions. Increasing the research budget tenfold isn't going to stop that.

A week long archaeology free public outreach program will be largely ignored. While people pay 80 bucks and pack the house to see hancock. The hoopleheads want conspiracy theory and Atlantis fantasy.

Bezalel
10/19/2024 09:53:34 am

“.... conflating the peopling of the Americas—by humans who hadn’t invented shoes—with his advanced world-mapping, monument-building Ice Age super-civilization, and hoping that rants against archaeologists and bombastic music will paper over the switch....”

A nice observation. Indirectly related to other tropes constantly raised by Hancock, one example of which is the idea that the use of Geometry (to build stuff, write stuff, arrange knowledge and group stars, compile calendric history forward and backward, etc) somehow constitutes “advanced civilization”.

Advanced to someone not interested in delving deep into geometry? Sure.

Go figure.

I will say that I am especially happy that over the past 50 years or so archaeologists have gradually been forced to study not only geometry but also astronomy in order to more fully understand their own subject. Anthropology, same. This puts a smile on my face. Math is a universal tool; shame it is not known by everyone.

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Alexander Thom Thumb
10/26/2024 10:43:41 am

Archaeologists are generally relatively quick to embrace new technology when it comes to dating and interpreting sites. As a general trend. I don't know that I would think of the development of archaeoastronomy as something that was forced upon them.

Kent
10/27/2024 03:21:22 pm

No thinking person has a problem with archaeoastronomy but you should have knocked before replying to Bezalalazel. There's always the risk of walking in on something awkward. Yes that's what I'm saying.

Thom thumb obvious
10/30/2024 04:53:53 pm

"No thinking person has a problem with archaeoastronomy..."

Exactly, but you should have halted there.

Stijn van den Hoven link
10/17/2024 04:54:48 am

It is known that Osiris and Sah both where orion and likely the prototype for the later uk green man.

Also Teshub, Baal, Hadad and possibly even narmer in his smitting pose, or Jesus, Mithras, Adam, Abrasax are all constellation/star astrotheology references, mostly to Orion.

Quetzalcoatl, as a "feathered serpent" tends to relate more to Draco (with it's wings, the little dipper) as seen by the Phoenicians.

But he also had an opposite, tezcatlipoca, which Graham conveniently left out. (The dark party of the sky?)

They could be a version of the hero twins, brothers Orion/Ophiuchius, Dioscuri, zodiac opposites as well, but that's all conjecture.

There is definitely not any proof the civilization bringing settler he so desperately tries to find.

He doesn't actively engage with others to learn, nor admits any mistakes he made. He only wants to speak to Flint Dibble as feels others providing valid counter arguments are not worth talking to, or "ride on his success" whilst in fact, his arguments are weak and full of holes.

But unsolvable mysteries "sell".

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Kent
10/17/2024 03:27:28 pm

Based on this I am shorting Anthony Warren in an atomic wedgie stylee. Congenital dumbassmia.

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Murray
10/17/2024 05:41:19 am

Graham is in your head. obsessed.

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Grand high poo ba obvious
10/17/2024 09:08:32 am

JC has recently written several pieces on Hancock in response to the fact that a second season of Ancient Apocalypse has Hancock in the news. At least in terms of news of the lunatic fringe. This is after an extended period in which Jason wrote very little about Hancock relative to other content. I don't think that obsessed means what you think that it means. Run along now.

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Kiley Shrum
10/17/2024 01:37:22 pm

Flint Dibble in his mom's basement: "HANCOCK!"

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Rebecca Wallace
10/17/2024 02:16:39 pm

Graham is on Rogan and Lex Freidman right now talking about Dibble's tall tales.

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Blinded by science
10/17/2024 06:46:12 pm

Has Dibble been on Rogan talking about megaliths on Mars being concealed by NASA, or ancient Egyptians using psychic powers to build pyramids, or countless careers in archaeology ruined by Big Archaeology for doing pre-Clovis research, but without providing specific examples? Wait, what........

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Ed Barnhart
10/17/2024 04:44:37 pm

Hello Jason. I very much respect your work in combatting pseudoscience. You and I just spoke about Hancock's cherry picking data, but I must point out that you just did the same thing to me. You wrote that I praised Hancock on Lex Fridman's podcast, but neglected to include that I also said I disagree with his conclusions. That didn't fit the narrative you were building. I said I like the man personally and I stand by that. I do not have to agree with someone to like them.
You did wage a fair criticism of my saying archaeology is speculative. I should have said that archaeological theories are speculative. Artifacts, C14 dates, and the like are data, and they are facts in that regard. But the moment we start thinking about what it means about ancient behavior, motivations and practices, we are speculating. Some times it's hard to speak off the cuff while standing half-heat stoked in the forest.

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Jason Colavito link
10/17/2024 10:57:00 pm

Whenever we see someone on TV, we are seeing the character created from their words, edited to serve the story. I can only comment on the character, not the the real person.

To that end, you praised Hancock's research skills, which is, indeed, praise, regardless of whether you disagree with the conclusions. Giorgio Tsoukalos disagrees with Hancock's conclusions, too, but that has never stopped Ancient Aliens from praising Hancock's "ideas." As I have amply shown, Hancock's "research" is not exactly praiseworthy, whether it is through his strategic omissions or his fancifully mangled accounts of myths.

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Jim
10/20/2024 10:48:41 pm

Hancock has, under his belt, 30 years of extensive vacation/research, he knows a thing or two about scuba diving.

Mike Wilson
10/18/2024 11:13:21 pm

You chose ambiguity when you could have taken a stand for science. (regardless of what THEY might have done to your words)

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Nathan thurm
12/3/2024 01:30:03 pm

How does one reconcile praising someone's research while acknowledging that they cherry pick data. No doubt the latter is a particular skill found among pseudoscientisrs but does it really constitute research?

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Naomi Wipner
10/17/2024 07:40:28 pm

You can tell Jason is really struggling to find anything to criticize. Is he jealous Hancock just introduced millions to amazing sites like those at White Sands, while Jason wanders around his driveway looking for fossils?

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Indian bead bob
10/17/2024 11:01:50 pm

Can you offer a rebuttal of any specific criticisms of Hancock by colavito? Talking about someone with a background in archaeology doing a paleontologists work just makes you look like, well, the typical Hancock fan that doesn't understand how archaeology works.

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Beck Grumpf
10/18/2024 02:24:47 pm

Archaeology isn't rocket science, Indian Bead Bob. A fourth grader can do it. Shouldn't you change your name to Indigenous Bead Bob?

Indian bead bob
10/19/2024 09:08:50 am

Becky grumpy, I can't recall the last time that a 4th grader was awarded a grant to do archaeology by the National Science Foundation. Those tend to go to adults with experience in doing archaeology, which doesn't consist of looking for fossils in driveways. Further proof that the typical hancock fan has no clue how archaeology works. Good job.

Le Sigh
10/17/2024 09:18:47 pm

Yeahhhhh..... the first series made some interesting connections, at least by my low standards. I enjoyed it a lot. Too much.

This season was so disappointing, thanks for the lousy review. Wish I'd read it before watching an actual expert gave details about how and why the moai are created, and Hancock concluding that therefore, his ancient Atlanteans must have done it, I felt embarrassed for him. And then he kept at it! With the Inca, the Maya, the Pueblo folks in New Mexico—these are living cultures with smart people who have evidence and education! Hancock is going to get soooooo much backlash. But none of them will get a Netflix series, I guess.

I mean, even a snake-god salemen could have gone scuba diving to look for underwater moai off the coast of Rapa Nui. There must be at least one, right? That fell in? Or given us a better computer graphic of what the archipelago to Nazca would have looked like. But no. Instead we got stoned Keanu and ayahuasca. I mean how could any culture have possibly conceived of making tea with TWO medicinal herbs without help from Atlantis. Sigh.

Anyway. A lot of Amazon stuff was pretty cool. Looking forward to a disintegrating comet sending us to the fifth world by 2080, an inexplicable extension of the precise 12/21/12 deadline. See you there.

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Kendra Fanpap
10/18/2024 08:04:52 am

Imagine if Scott Wolter walked out of the jungle in episode 1. Jason's head would have exploded. Then, Graham visits Oak Island with Treasure Force Commander and finds out the treasure was hidden by ancient white supremacists.

That's a show!

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E.P. Grondine
10/19/2024 08:48:12 am

Hi Jason -

" ​[Viracocha], falling on his knees on some plain ground, with his hands clasped, fire from above came down upon those on the hill, and covered all the place, burning up the earth and stones like straw. Those bad men were terrified at the fearful fire. "

I hit a variant of this, which I used in Man and Impact in the Americas. Are we looking at yet another impact event?

Hoopes is working with very early cultures in the Amazon which were likely thoroughly disrupted by Rio Cuarto impacts.

I can only hope that I did not fall into a bias. But what comes out of all of this at a minimum is alarming.

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Kylaryn
10/20/2024 03:24:29 am

It's the tone for me. It's hard for me to accept the rebuttals because the overall tone of this is arrogant, smug, and condescending. You constantly overstate things like "no evidence has ever been found of..." which I doubt any single person can make and be truthful because no single person can know all of the evidence for almost anything.
I'd take you more seriously if you stopped trying to jab and snipe at a person and just kept it about what archaeology does and doesn't know and why it couldn't fit into a theory of a more ancient peopling of the Americas.

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Occam Obvious
10/20/2024 03:55:41 pm

"No single person one can know all the evidence" is different from "no evidence has ever been found." The issue in archaeology is which hypothesis is most robust in relation to what evidence is available at the time. Pointing that out in a criticism of Hancock is not arrogant or condescending. It's how this stuff works and is not for the thin skinned. If you can't point out specific instances in which Colavito's critique can be demonstrated to be wrong or unsubstantiated then tone policing is a lousy substitute.

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E.P. Grondine
10/22/2024 10:19:48 am

Ki Kyl -

The problem is that Hancock has only one impact, the Holocene Start, whereas there were many impacts, each of which left behind "mysteries".

But then Hancock is making good money, and I am sure that he will make even more at some point by sorting them out

It seems to me Jason could make more money with his Hancock criticisms than with his Dean study. .I think it was Deng who said "It is glorious to be prosperous."

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Kent
10/27/2024 11:25:21 pm

No one is going to Meals on Wheels to sort out your delusions.

How do you get from Point A to Point B with those delusion goggles? The airline peanuts of internet posters.

Ken Reeves
10/20/2024 10:38:01 am

I think Jason is a bit bewildered by so many indigenous people and real archaeologists on this season. He has to focus on the music and cinematography because he can't claim Hancock is making everything up.

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Occam obvious
10/20/2024 04:01:52 pm

If one has a strong scientific position then one doesn't really need the loud dramatic music or cinematography to help make their case. But that is SOP for Hancock programming. Colavito made brief mention of this within a broader criticism of material presented by Hancock. If you had a substantive defense of Hancock to offer this wouldn't have even been brought up. But you didn't so you did.

Geez, can any Hancock fan show up here and offer any sort of legit criticism of Colavito's post based on what he presented in response to Hancock's assertions?

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Ken Reeves
10/20/2024 01:46:31 pm

Hancock posted last week (10/11) a fact-checking video of Dibble for anyone who is interested.

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Jim
10/20/2024 09:58:05 pm

Hancock also appeared on Joe Rogan again and started it off with a lie saying that archaeologists now accept that they used ships to arrive at Australia. Intentionally conflating the words seafaring craft (rafts) with Ships to support his imaginary shipbuilding culture that came from Antarctica,,, er wait,,,The Sahara ,,,er wait ,, oh ya Atlantis is America now.

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Ayahuasca drum circle leader
10/21/2024 10:45:29 am

Jason posts a lengthy takedown of Hancock. Hancock fans show up with the same old weak attempted one-line zingers and wimpering about tone. They get shot down immediately and disappear. Wash, rinse, repeat.

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Jim
10/22/2024 02:25:34 pm

The Problems with debunking Graham Hancock

Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded that there was no Civilization on Antarctica."
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, "Atlantis was in the Sahara !"
Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded that there was no Atlantis in the Sahara."
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, "Atlantis was in the Americas "
Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded the metallurgy you say the Atlantians had wouldn't disappear like wooden shipwrecks and their metal objects should have been found"
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, "They didn't use metals."
Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded there was no earth displacement causing a flood"
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, "There was a comet strike on the Ice sheet causing a flood"
Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded there was no comet strike on the ice sheet causing a flood."
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, "There was an airburst causing a flood"
Archaeologist : "I've studied your evidence and concluded there were no pyramids on mars."
Graham : Looks blankly at Archaeologist,, changes his glasses, stares at his naval, examines his fingertips, says "are you calling me a racist ?

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E.P. Grondine
10/27/2024 10:48:10 am

Hi Jim -
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Randal Carlson has a candidate impact structure in the Canadian Rockies.

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kent
10/28/2024 04:35:51 pm

Randal Carlson is a racist. "Impact structure". Think about it. "Manny Quinn, fashion figure". But seriously dude, "Impact structure"? It's like Highlights Magazine and the nursing home had a baby.

Jim
10/29/2024 05:24:56 am

Can you imagine the impact structure if Randal Carlson fell off Fortress Mountain ?
He is a moron, somebody should should clue him as to where the Rocky mountains actually are, one place they aren't, is on the west side of the Rocky Mountain Trench.

Art carlson
10/29/2024 09:32:27 am

Jock Sheet is what Randull has. That's what the French say.

Vittoria Amati
10/24/2024 08:38:19 am

Thank you for taking your time to write this review, it has clarified many points which were presented as 'new discoveries' whereas are old stories...
Also the objective of the whole serie is quite weak, what is he trying to prove? that beings form outer world helped people settle down.. that no place in the planet (not even the Amazon forest) is virgin anymore?
I can't deny I enjoyed some part of the episodes .. trying to see if everything had a logical explanation. and in fact some interviews with other scientist did make sense but left me disappointed in the overall narrative. The content of the Maya episode is smtg we all learned when we were in our 20s.... long time ago... All the best to you....

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E.P. Grondine
10/28/2024 03:19:18 pm

Hi Vittoria -

Hancock has a theory that there was one advanced culture, and everything came for it. He also believes there was only one impact event.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/24/2024 09:33:21 pm

Honestly, I think a single post reviewing the whole season is all the attention it deserves. I suspect you binged it; I know I did, and the longer it was on in a continuous block the more obvious the holes in his argument got. "A thing happened 2000 years ago, so it obviously happened 12000 years ago too!" was a consistent argument. The other one that got me was glacial moraines are clearly tidal ripples. Between "looks like, therefore is," "it happened 2000 years ago therefore it must have happened 12000 years ago," and the Gish Gallop, it was just... dull.

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At a loss
2/10/2025 04:22:43 pm

The fact so many of you find the need to attack a man providing an alternative story based on evidence is quite perplexing.

Though I also don't necessarily agree with absolutely everything that Graham states, I'm logically based enough to discern fact from fiction. I'd hope the same would be applicable to you all, but that is clearly not the case.

Graham and Randall have done extensive research that shouldn't be ignored. You all are going to just accept the following statement: "Oh, well I guess we were wrong about hunter gatherers." If that isn't the most insane thing I've heard, I don't even know where to begin. That is a RIDICULOUS supposition. The hypocrisy is at an all-time high. I guess hunter gatherers were capable of carrying megaliths 700+ miles, you're all certainly right and Graham has absolutely no idea what he's speaking on.

To ignore the similarities between these cultures in antiquity is a disservice you'll all likely come to regret in the coming years. Look at all the revelations occurring within the archaeological society at Gobekli Tepe and surrounding areas. The scene and theories are continually evolving. We are certainly missing a number of details from antiquity, and to surmise it by simply stating "we were wrong about hunter gatherers" is a massive disservice to those actually very interested in the topic.

I personally commend Graham and his colleagues for their continued research and work in the field. Even amongst fervent hate and attempts to dissuade.

For those of you that brought up Dibble, do some research. He stated a litany of inaccuracies during that interview.

I'll end it with this; wait until the areas Graham talks about quite frequently actually receive the due diligence from archaeologists that they deserve. The insights we'll discover will shed untold light on so many matters.

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Art Carlson
2/14/2025 05:42:20 pm

Hyperdifussion and cross-cultural similarities were being seriously considered by scholars long before Hancock and Carlson were born. No supporting evidence for what they are ultimately pushing back then or now.

If you are unaware of Hancock's career of attempting to reinvent the wheel then you need to work on your ability to discern things.

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