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The New Yorker Goes in Search of the Oldest Layer of Mythology

10/14/2025

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​This week, the New Yorker ran a lengthy piece asking whether it is possible to reconstruct the oldest myths. Writer Manvir Singh, an associate professor of anthropology at UC Davis and a frequent contributor to the New Yorker, frames the investigation around the character of Edward Casaubon from George Eliot’s Middlemarch (1871), a clergyman who sought to find the key to prove all world mythologies were related and descended from Christian truth. Singh teases the idea that such a key, minus the Christianity, has finally been found, but his article turned out to be a rather bland summary of fairly well-known studies that were already considered standard when I read and used them in writing my 2013 book Jason and the Argonauts Through the Ages.
​Singh gives a bit of a potted history of attempts to understand the relationship between various groups of myth, and he hits some of the usual highlights, including James Frazer’s Golden Bough, Robert Graves’s The White Goddess, Joseph Cambell’s Hero with a Thousand Faces, etc. The central discussion is, and cannot fail to be, the scholarship reconstructing Proto-Indo-European gods and myths through a cross-cultural comparison of various Indo-European languages and mythologies. This scholarly project is now two centuries old, and its outlines are well-known to anyone who has given a cursory look into myths and legends. I need not belabor the point here except to point out that the key texts Singh discusses, books by Calvert Watkins and M. L. West, date back to 1995 and 2007 respectively, so this is not exactly breaking news.
 
However, in his odd fixation on Middlemarch, he gives the impression that Eliot created Casaubon’s obsession from whole cloth; it was, by contrast, a popular scholarly fixation for a century. To name but a couple of examples: Jacob Bryant became famous in 1774 as the leading advocate of “Arkism,” the belief that all global religions and mythologies were distorted or decayed memories of Noah’s Flood and the Ark. His book, A New System, attempted to show the underlying unity of all mythologies. John Bathurst Deane wrote The Worship of the Serpent in 1830, arguing that all pre-Christian world mythologies were rooted in the worship of the serpent and were decayed forms of a Satanic cult. (Hargrave Jennings would modify this later in the century, arguing that the serpent was a symbol of the penis, the true object of universal veneration!) Such arguments, though, were essentially the same as claims going back to the Middle Ages that pagans preserved distorted memories of the Great Flood and its aftermath. Even Flavius Josephus, writing as early as the first century CE, and Eusebius, writing in the fourth, attempted such a synthesis, drawing on pagan writers to show (supposedly) that they preserved the narrative of the Flood and stories from Genesis in the guise of pagan myth. (If you want to go still further, you could argue that the interpretatio graeca of the ancients, identifying foreign pantheons with the Greek gods, has the same underlying function.)
 
By the end of the nineteenth century, the idea had spread in many directions, including occultists like Helena Blavatsky who saw all mythology as descended from a prehistoric original true history, and Atlantis writers like Ignatius Donnelly who attributed all mythologies to memories of the antediluvian kings who ruled over Atlantis before its fall. These were, at heart, merely refinements of the earlier Christian notion of Arkism, retooled for a less Christian age.
 
This kind of background would have been helpful to provide to the New Yorker’s readers so that they could understand that the impulse to find the one true origin of mythology is heavily influenced by Western ideas about a single origin point for history and stretches back thousands of years, in many forms, mostly revolving around trying to justify the dominant beliefs by showing that other cultures had lesser version of the truth.
 
Singh hints at this obliquely when he relates the criticism of the more recent attempts to find the origins of mythology. Michael Witzel argued in 2012 that all global mythologies fall into one of two groups, a primitive and unsystematic group (the “Gondwanan”) belonging to the Black people of Sub-Saharan Africa and Australia and a more sophisticated and more recent revelation (the “Laurentian”) belonging to the lighter-skinned peoples of the Earth, which presents a unified story from creation to apocalypse—conveniently mirroring the Bible. Singh notes that this idea relies on “outdated” models with “racial overtones,” though he makes no note of the foregrounding of a Bible-style end of the world, which is not really a feature of most mythological systems except in the vague sense of cyclical renewal found in many, but not all, mythologies, until contact with Abrahamic cultures.
 
We also hear about Yuri Berezkin, a professor in Russia, who codes mythological and folkloric motifs in order to try to trace back core themes to the time before humans left Africa. As Singh notes, these motifs are so vague and general as to basically be useless.
 
The trouble with all of these quests for the oldest mythologies is that there is no real way to confidently distinguish between stories that spread from 60,000-year-old source, stories that spread due to later dissemination and contact, and stories that emerged independently because of common structural formulae inherent in the human mind—like the widespread artistic themes David Lewis-Williams identified as automatically generated within the brain by altered states of consciousness. I can’t help but think of Walter Burkert’s twentieth-century efforts to argue that the Heracles myth dates back to the Neolithic and the impossibility of proving that case, despite the time frame (about 12,000 years) being a far cry from the 60,000 years modern mythographers want to push stories back to.
 
Indo-European myths tended to remain similar over time because (a) originating around 6,500 years ago, they were not terribly old, relatively speaking, compared to all of human history and (b) they are rooted in language and poetry, which tended to preserve them over time. When you back 60,000 years, you enter a time when there is no scholarly consensus about the origins of language, the forms early languages took, or the way languages evolved over time. We cannot even agree whether monogenesis—the origin of all language from a single ur-language—is what really happened or if language families developed independently. If we cannot trace all world languages back to a single source about which we can say much of anything (Meritt Ruhlen, who supports monogenesis, identified just 27 words that could supposedly be traced to this language), then it is difficult to find evidence of what people were talking about in that language.
 
All of which is a long way around saying that Singh’s article did not really grapple with some of the deeper issues involved before reaching what is, nevertheless, almost certainly the correct conclusion: “If there’s a key to all mythologies, it isn’t buried in vanished languages or ancient ruins; it lies in the basic patterns of how we think, feel, and tell stories.” I kept waiting for Singh to reach some interesting new conclusion, but the story remains steadfastly the same as it was 10, 20, or 30 years ago. 
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Kent
10/14/2025 06:39:36 pm

Based on no evidence whatsoever I am inclined to speculate that the norm for "one source" advocates is that they miraculously find that source in their own favorite nationality or ethnicity. I'm of the opinion that such similarities as exist in various mythoi, mythoses if either is a word and either is a word, are based on a) similar brains, and b) the fact that floods happen.

Within living memory the Baltimore-Washington DC area had the Great Alexandria Flood and the Great Ellicott City flood. We could mention Hurricane Sandy. Cities are established near rivers and such (B-WDC, Stratford, London, Paris, did I mention the Nile?) because as Jesse James taught us that's where the water is.

Fuxi supposedly taught the Chinese writing and fishing. Who taught the Europeans how to fish? The Ancient Teacher from the Dawn of Time is longhand for "We don't know. Quick! Make up a story." Happens all the time, Robert Johnson didn't make a deal with the Devil. Contrary to the stereotype, he *worked*. Maybe even took lessons. NoIcan'tprovethat. Comte de Saint-Germain is that archetype popping up in relatively modern times.

The Dying/Reborn God/King is a common motif. But the variety Montresor! Central Asians and I suppose the Chineses went with a SkyGod, male in pair with female Earth. There's a scene of German youth in Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow that references this but almost in reverse in keeping with his "extinction beyond zero" motif. Suffice to say Lederhosen meets ankles.

Bal Gangadhar Tilak's Arctic Home in the Vedas is worth a look in this context.

Myths of giants are common, and they ARE myths, but someone enlighten me: do the Australorigenes have such myths?
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As I typed that something (re-)occurred to me: if the Peruvians or whoever said _according to whatever TV show it was_ "Oh we didn't build that stone stuff, it was here when we got here" from their oral tradition. But no one said or WROTE that about the Newport Tower.

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William Meuse
10/14/2025 07:26:53 pm

It's funny how you say Indo European mythology originated 6500 years ago. To tell the truth there is no evidence any Indo Europeans were literate before the earliest texts in Hittite no earlier than 1700 BC. How can anyone make credible claims that the Indo European myths originated 6500 years ago without sounding like a peacock?

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Bezalel
10/15/2025 05:57:36 am

Ah
The origin of mythology, itself the origin of religion. One of my favorite lines of inquiry. Along with Metrology, Chronometry and Astronomy, the synthesis represents a quadrivium of ancient disciplines whose primary substrate is Geometry. Both natural and man made geometrical constructs are woven into each of the above four. Discovering their interrelations has been Ulyssian.
Over 150 years ago, Haliburton began a flawed and incomplete attempt at surveying this idea, settling on a focus toward Halloween, the festival of the dead and their original ties to star worship and calendar construction among primitive peoples from impossibly old cultures. Good place to start.

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The simple answer
10/15/2025 11:15:23 am

The origin of all ancient religions is found in drugs.

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You all demand that Jesus Christ existed
10/15/2025 03:18:43 pm

Well, I can very easily prove that Jesus Christ was the same psychedelic of the Old Testament.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/18/2025 05:38:48 pm

Then prove it.

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Seed of Bismuth
10/30/2025 05:33:09 am

I mean i do think Herakles and Monkey king are the spawn of an a oral tradition dating back to Gilgamesh & Enkidu.

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David Ross
11/2/2025 12:15:13 pm

re "the impulse to find the one true origin of mythology is heavily influenced by Western ideas about a single origin point for history"

I feel like this Poisons The Well by summoning up the discredited ghost of Edward Said.
The phenomenon is genuine intellectual curiosity (which, yes, can be perverted for ideologic reasons). Because many of us do share several "single origin points" in our backstory: the common home for IndoEuropean languages, the spread of the Phoenician alphabet, the invention of metallurgy for bronze, the founding of several important cities...
... as you note.
But that does not mean having the interest is bound to "whiteness" or whatever.

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