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The Soviet Search for Lemuria and Atlantis

1/20/2017

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​In the trove of recently digitized CIA documents, I found an unusual document. It was a U.S. Commerce Department bulleting from June 1960 containing a digest of Soviet science writing from popular and scholarly journals. Within this digest I found a bizarre claim made in the Soviet newspaper Pravda in which a Soviet researcher asserted that he discovered Lemuria off the coast of India. V. Bogorov, surveying the Indian Ocean for the International Geophysical Year, reported:
In the Western portion of the Indian Ocean we crossed the Equator six times. Here, close to the shores of Africa, is an area of an enormous number of small islands. They are the remnants of the ancient continent of Lemuria, which was lost under the waters of the ocean. In tests of the bottom, conducted at depths of almost five kilometers, sand was found under a two-meter layer of ordinary oceanic silt.  Apparently this also is a trace of ancient Lemuria. The isles are surrounded by coral reefs, and atolls often rise several meters above the water. Corals are the principle accumulators of lime. Gigantic colonies of these small organisms have been conducting their constructive work for hundreds of millions of years.
​While it is not entirely clear whether he intended this reference to Lemuria to refer to the Theosophical fictitious continent or the obsolete scientific hypothesis that inspired it, either way this is a pretty strange reference. It is, however, of a piece with Soviet opinions on sunken continents from the era.
 
According to N. Zhirov’s book on Atlantis, Soviet scientists such as D. I. Mushketov, A. N. Mazarovich, M. V. Klenova, and Vladimir Obruchev all expressed their belief that Atlantis was real and that the Azores and/or Canaries were the remnants of the lost continent. They relied on the outdated and faulty geological arguments of Pierre Termier, from 1912 (!), to defend the position, even though Termier’s views were the subject of vigorous criticism in his own day. In 1974, a Russian ship traveled to the Azores, and Vladimir Marakuyev photographed ruins underwater halfway between Portugal and Madeira, on the Atlantic Ampere Seamount, connected in part to this strange belief. The photos were apparent fakes, since said ruins were never seen again, but the story ended up in the New York Times, which reported on May 21, 1979 that Prof. Andrei Aksyonov had declared the photographs to be proof of the lost continent of Atlantis. “It’s possible that it’s part of Atlantis, maybe not the whole thing, but a part,” Aksyonov said, offering also that everyone outside of Russia has laughed at his claims.
 
Of all the strange things, at the time of his Atlantis claims, Aksyonov was a researcher aboard the Soviet research vessel Vityaz, which seems to be the same Vityaz that V. Bogorov sailed in searching for Atlantis two decades earlier. The Vityaz started life as the Nazi passenger and cargo ship Mars. The voyage the Times recorded turned out to be one of its last, and the ship went on to become a floating museum.
 
This might all seem like Soviet silliness, but there seems to be method to the madness, an ongoing effort by the Soviet government to promote fringe history and pseudoscience in the West by encouraging beliefs in ancient astronauts, lost continents, UFOs, and other unusual ideas. We can only speculate on the reasons for it, but it seems that undermining public confidence in Western science was part of the Soviet agenda.
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Tom
1/20/2017 10:20:47 am

The Soviets might be forgiven for jumping to conclusions about Lemuria before Plate Tectonics became widely accepted. However if the scattering of islands were the remains of Lemuria and the sea floor 5 kilometers down had supposedly the beaches of Lemuria, considering aeons of natural erosion, this fabled continent must have had some stupendous mountains quite beyond any existing today.
As for ancient Atlantis (sigh!) it may be that such beliefs were merely adopted from the West by the same type of people that leap to similar conclusions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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flip
1/20/2017 12:30:47 pm

I wonder if populist Atlantis fascination is a sort of 'god of the gaps' fallacy in place of real knowledge about what's under the ocean. Considering modern technology has allowed us a glimpse of what's below, in the past people have had little idea of what's down there and so it seems mysteriously unknown. Atlantis is already in the consciousness thanks to ancient writing, and natural disasters, sunken ships and distant islands make it seem tenable. Like anything else, the more we explore and discover, the less believable the myth will become.

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Only Me
1/20/2017 01:06:28 pm

There is a certain appeal for the "unknown" beneath the ocean. It's been established we know more about the Moon than what is on the ocean floor, so there remains much to be discovered.

If you noticed, claims for lost civilizations and hyperdiffusion are relying more on the argument that evidence for such claims lies on the continental shelves; we just haven't been looking for it. Unfortunately, in those few cases where such exploration has taken place, the evidence retrieved further supports the mainstream view of human history.

That's why these claims aren't going away. The proponents can still say, "The evidence is there. We just need to keep looking."

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Colon-veto.Equals.Only.Me
1/23/2017 07:32:22 pm

Oh, Jason... talking with you is like masturbating with a cheese grater; it is more annoying than entertaining.

I come here a couple times a year... I drop some facts for you to suck on... I take a 5-star shit upon you as a 'researcher' and 'xeno-whatever-the-fuck-you-call-yourself'... then I depart.

You then use a fake name in a sad and feeble effort to pretend that you have an army of support. I laugh and mock your attempt, then I leave... until next time.

You are the Donald Trump of... whatever you think that you're doing here. At least Trump's folks have been able to label THEIR crap as 'alternative facts'. You still haven't achieved that level of self-awareness yet.

Consider yourself 'mocked' by your superior!

Only Me
1/23/2017 07:44:37 pm

I'm sorry, Scott Reaney. I'm not Jason, so you just wasted your time. I will address more of your lies, just to be fair.

"I drop some facts for you to suck on"

When?

"You then use a fake name in a sad and feeble effort to pretend that you have an army of support."

Says the guy who hides behind pseudonyms because...who cares?

"Consider yourself 'mocked' by your superior!"

Like I said, I'm not Jason.

Colon-Veto.Keeps.Using.Pseudonyms
1/23/2017 10:34:57 pm

Of course you're not Jason using a pseudonym. (nod, nod, wink, wink, nudge, nudge)

We all can see that you're not Jason pretending to be someone else with the hope of creating the illusion that 'not everybody thinks you're full of crap'.

Your ability to backflip through reality has earned you a well-deserved 'gold star', Poindexter.

Only Me
1/23/2017 11:12:27 pm

So, I take it you're still not going to address the fact your accusations against Jason are groundless. You're more interested in chasing figments of your imagination. Good to know.

DaveR
1/20/2017 01:23:54 pm

The "god of the gaps" argument is so weak it's laughable.

It reminds me of that Mars movie with Val Kilmer and he's talking to one of the other crewmembers about why he, the other member, became religious. The man answers something along the lines of "I discovered science couldn't answer the really interesting questions in life. Why are we here? Where do we go when we die?" It's something like that, it was the guy who played Zod in Superman 2...Terence Stamp. He's a great actor.

The line stuck with me because the reasoning is so ridiculous. He turned to religion because he found science couldn't answer philosophical questions. Rather than seeking scientific answers to his questions, he simply reverted back to the tried and true God is the answer to anything science can't solve argument. It seams like there are some people who so desperately need a deity that any gap in scientific knowledge is proof of a god.

I know this is a character in a movie, but it was written by a person, and part of me wonders why the line was written. Is it to explain why a clearly religious man was on the mission? Or is the line in there to perhaps make some people think about turning to religion because science cannot say what happens to us after we die.

Where do we come from? Do we have souls? Is there an afterlife? Is there a heaven and hell? Do we reincarnate and live lives over and over? Do we become pure energy and thought to shoot across the universe?

Religion cannot answer these questions any more than science. If someone believes in the religious answers that there is a God and He rewards the worthy who have lived by His rules by granting them entry into heaven, or He'll punish the sinful with an eternity in hell, is he or she any more correct than someone who says we have one life to live and when we die there's nothing that comes after we die?

No heaven, no hell, no reincarnation, only an eternity of oblivion.

Perhaps that's why people cling to and turn to religion.

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TheBigMike
1/20/2017 02:45:53 pm

In all likelihood the line was written into the movie to make the whole thing more acceptable to a wider audience. The dialogue had to get people who do dismiss science invested in the scientists because "well, at least they belive in god"
It's shoddy storytelling, but hey, you have to speak to the audience sometimes.

RG
1/20/2017 03:02:03 pm

Daver, you are just as radical as some theists but only from atheist point of view.
People like you, radical theist or a-theist, should learn to accept that others may have different opinions.

DaveR
1/20/2017 03:20:03 pm

TheBigMike,
I've thought of that as well, and I think you're correct.

RG,
I've never considered myself to be a radical, but I might be. I accept that others have differing opinions and do my best to not give the appearance I'm pushing my opinions or beliefs onto others. Another thing I accept is that I don't know what comes next.

I do know that during the three times I was clinically dead, one time for several minutes, I saw no tunnel with a bright light at the end. I was not visited by dead relatives, and I did not feel the presence of an overpowering love and contentment. There was, quite simply, nothing.

Referencing your last sentence, what in my original post caused you to infer I was unaccepting of different opinions?

ake
1/20/2017 03:22:12 pm

And now we have taken the burden of "undermining public confidence in Western science" upon ourselves. Funny world, huh?

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Shane Sullivan
1/20/2017 06:24:19 pm

Let's not be dismissive of mysterious ancient ruins, Jason. They can be found all over the world, some of them hundreds of millions of years old.

It is whispered, in the most depraved circles, that they were built by a race known in darkly esoteric tradition as... "Termites".

http://tinyurl.com/hkecq7n

Apparently this shockingly advanced pre-human race even practiced agriculture:

http://tinyurl.com/z9vwl26

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Tony
1/20/2017 09:57:39 pm

Now we know why Stalin had that huge moustache -- so he could pass as a walrus.

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Graham
1/20/2017 10:35:07 pm

That was a very interesting article.

There is a 1960s action novel called 'Hunter-Killer' by South African based author Geoffrey Jenkins in which the submerged ruins of 'Limuria' (His spelling) play a cameo role in a plot which some view as a reworking of a failed script for the James Bond film 'You Only Live Twice'.

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Colavito.Equals.Anal. Leakage
1/20/2017 11:47:51 pm

Just a reminder that Jason Colavito is a repeat plagiarist... a liar... and a general 'chicken-shit'

Jason Colavito likes to take the materials compiled by others, then claim that he created that same compilation using a fictional math formula, which he STILL hasn't been capable of providing.
I've given you a few years to explain your math, dude.
I would call you a sphincter wart... but that would be an insult to sphincters everywhere

https://chronologiesmasterlist.blogspot.ca/

To those Colon-Veto supporters who want to respond... go ahead. You are easy to ignore.

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Only Me
1/21/2017 12:16:13 am

I'll respond, Scott Reaney.

1) Provide evidence of your accusation of plagiarism. Do note it is impossible to make that claim if the content of your compilation is not recognized as your intellectual property.

2) Provide evidence of Jason's claim of using a math formula to create his compilation.

If you have such evidence, this should be simple, right?

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Americanegro
1/22/2017 07:07:43 am

"Provide evidence of your accusation of plagiarism. Do note it is impossible to make that claim if the content of your compilation is not recognized as your intellectual property."

That's like saying only the murdered policeman can arrest a cop-killer. Non-sense is not a good look, son. Maybe next time don't try to help.

Only Me
1/22/2017 03:10:40 pm

You do know what the definition of plagiarism is, don't you, son?

If there isn't a single word from the articles in his collection that he wrote himself, then Reaney can't claim plagiarism, son.

Reaney is saying anyone who has the idea of finding old newspaper articles about giants, collating them and then presenting them on a website is plagiarism, son. That the material was written before he was born and is publically available online has been pointed out before, son.

You can't trademark or copyright or even claim sole ownership of what is claimed to be a form of research, son. Next time, try not to be so ignorant, son.

Colavito.The.Liar
1/22/2017 03:26:29 pm

Oh, Jason... it's so nice of you to reply.

I just wish that you had the courage to reply with your actual name, rather than 'fabricating' support with a fictional friend.

How often have you posted comments using a pseudonym in a sad and desperate effort to make it appear as though people buy into your BS?? Does your Mom post here, as well as you?
Your conduct is much like you play with yourself with your left hand while simultaneously tickling your ass with your right hand... then brag to your friend(s) that you have just had a threesome.
I'm sure in your head you are a superstar... but we both know that you are a liar.

Colovito.The.Cowardly.Liar
1/22/2017 03:52:23 pm

I had sifted through more than 100,000 pages of old newspapers compiling the materials in question several years ago, and forwarded a copy of the work to a guy named James Veira.
Shortly, that EXACT same material appeared on Colon-Veto's site, with the the claim that HE had been the researcher who had created it. The version which I had given to Veira had VERY specific typographical 'errors' which were intentional, so that I could recognize my work from the efforts of others. Every one of those errors was contained in Colon-Veto's 'alleged work'.
I asked him to describe how he came into possession of the file... and he stated that he had a mathematical formula which allowed him to gather news items from every newspaper that was printed throughout history. He knew that he was lying... and I knew that he was lying.
Colon-Veto continued to lie, and I continued to press the issue. He then tried to blame a guy named Andy White for stealing the material.
I gave him six opportunities to come clean, and he lied 5 times. In the sixth response, he finally admitted that it came from Veira.
He KNEW that he was lying about the original author, but didn't stop lying. He thought that no one could ever catch him in his BS.
Well, you retarded Fuck-Stick... he got caught.
If you have a problem with that fucking reality... go back to Youtube and watch piano playing cats... because you are too fragile to be here.
THAT is both lying and plagiarism, Poindexter.

Only Me
1/22/2017 04:48:15 pm

"Oh, Jason... it's so nice of you to reply."

I'm not Jason, but it's good to know you lied about not responding and are now attempting to excuse your lie by claiming I'm him.

"Shortly, that EXACT same material appeared on Colon-Veto's site, with the the claim that HE had been the researcher who had created it.The version which I had given to Veira had VERY specific typographical 'errors' which were intentional, so that I could recognize my work from the efforts of others."

From http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/outraged-gigantologist-accuses-me-of-lies-asks-readers-to-send-me-hate-mail:

[I informed Reaney that not only had I never heard of him or his website, but that my list of articles was significantly different from his own. I emphasized that chronological order is not a copyrightable organizational framework, and I did nothing to hide the fact that many of the sources from which I compiled my collection of public domain material were his fellow gigantologists, whom he immediately accused of stealing from him to further their agendas.]

"and he stated that he had a mathematical formula which allowed him to gather news items from every newspaper that was printed throughout history"

No, he didn't. In a response to Andy White, Jason said:

[In our emails, I pointed out that people like you have used these articles to make databases that can be used for statistical analysis of the frequency of key words (like the double teeth) and the frequency of references to giants over time. Reaney lost it and essentially claimed that it was illegitimate to use even basic counting to learn things about the newspaper articles since each one can only be understood individually. Trends = witchcraft.]

In the comments section, also from:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/outraged-gigantologist-accuses-me-of-lies-asks-readers-to-send-me-hate-mail

"He then tried to blame a guy named Andy White for stealing the material."

See above.

"THAT is both lying and plagiarism, Poindexter."

No, it isn't.

Colavito.Is.Only.Me.the.Coawrd
1/22/2017 05:23:25 pm

Hey! Lying Shit-Stick named Colavito!!
How come so much of your site is dedicated to your stalker-esque, Homo-Erotic infatuation with TV personalities, like the dude from 'America Unearthed', or the Oak Island people? Is it because they are more successful than you could ever hope to be?
How come you don't have SEVERAL blog entries like "Once Again, The Canadian Researchers Have Proven That I Am Totally Full Of Crap?" The discovery of human relics in the Yukon pre-dating all currently known remnants by about 10,000 years pretty much dismantles your blatant stupidity and excessive arrogance. The Yukon is equal to the Arctic, for those 'genius supporters' you have... like your Mom. This was a big story... for real researchers, but easily ignored by biased cocksuckers, like yourself.
Do you refuse to acknowledge actual science because of your biased agenda, which is to place yourself at the top of the Circle-Jerk Society?
You are a pathetic little TV critic who hates people smarter than yourself, and you are a plagiarist, who runs away like a scalded cat when caught. You are nothing more substantial than that.
PS - Jason's Mom... please let Jason reply for himself, and please stop sending me naked photos of yourself!

Only Me
1/22/2017 05:48:29 pm

Compose yourself, Scott. First you say I'm Jason, now you say I'm his mom. I can't be three people at once.

I noticed you ignored all the facts in my last comment. That may have been the first smart thing you've done.

"How come so much of your site is dedicated to your stalker-esque, Homo-Erotic infatuation with TV personalities, like the dude from 'America Unearthed', or the Oak Island people? Is it because they are more successful than you could ever hope to be?"

Why do you have a site called jasoncolavitothefraud? Is it because he is more successful than you could ever hope to be?

"Do you refuse to acknowledge actual science because of your biased agenda, which is to place yourself at the top of the Circle-Jerk Society?"

That is a question that you should be asking yourself.

"You are a pathetic little TV critic who hates people smarter than yourself, and you are a plagiarist, who runs away like a scalded cat when caught. You are nothing more substantial than that."

Debunked ad homs.

Colon-Veto.Uses.Pseudonyms.To.Hide
1/23/2017 07:11:22 pm

Jason, why do you keep pretending like this?

Only Me
1/23/2017 07:37:14 pm

Scott, why do you hide behind pseudonyms while falsely claiming I'm Jason?

Scott, why are you a congenital liar?

Colavito.Hides.Cuz.He's.A.Cowardly.Liar
1/23/2017 10:45:00 pm

How come you don't have SEVERAL blog entries like "Once Again, The Canadian Researchers Have Proven That I Am Totally Full Of Crap?" The discovery of human relics in the Yukon pre-dating all currently known remnants by about 10,000 years pretty much dismantles your blatant stupidity and excessive arrogance. The Yukon is equal to the Arctic, for those 'genius supporters' you have... like your Mom. This was a big story... for real researchers, but easily ignored by biased cocksuckers, like yourself.
Do you refuse to acknowledge actual science because of your biased agenda, which is to place yourself at the top of the Circle-Jerk Society?

Jason... you should be terrified of global warming, because every year that the glaciers of the north recede, the discoveries being made prove that you don't have a clue.

There have been several major discoveries in the last decade... all due to the receding ice, yet you are a know-nothing chicken shit with a biased agenda... Jason!!!

You are too fucking lazy to do the legwork to find this out for yourself... or you are deliberately hiding from these FACTS.
I personally don't believe that you are smart enough to effectively hide this stuff... so it must simply be your fucking ineptitude that keeps these FACTS from your Mickey Mouse Club.

Only Me
1/23/2017 11:16:39 pm

What Jason chooses to investigate is up to him.

I haven't addressed these "discoveries" because they are a strawman tactic. You can't counter the fact your accusations are groundless, so you're trying to move the goalposts toward an unrelated topic.

Sorry, Scott, but you came here with accusations and were proven wrong. Accept you don't have an answer and move back to your obscure corner of the internet.

An Over-Educated Grunt
1/21/2017 10:54:57 am

You know, Scrote - can I call you Scrote? Doesn't matter, I'll call you Scrote - for someone who resorts to name calling you're not very good at it. If you were, Scrotator, you'd have picked one nail and hammered it until love you or hate you your audience couldn't think of your target without hearing that insult as well, but you didn't do that, Scrotey-Doo. You even missed out on Culovito, but what should we expect from a Scrote even a dog wouldn't lick? You're an empty Scrote to boot, an intellectual gelding. You shot your load, Scroteyboy, so just retreat back into whatever moist cave you normally hide in and let the grown ups talk.

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