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Third Congressional UFO Hearing Bores with Same Old Stories, Little Evidence

9/9/2025

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​In a mostly empty congressional hearing room today, five witnesses offered evidence-free stories about witnessing UFOs or hearing about other people’s experiences allegedly examining otherworldly artifacts. It was the third House UFO hearing since 2022, when David Grusch claimed the government had alien “biologics.” When Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.) directly asked U.S. Air Force veteran Jeffrey Nuccetelli to name a piece of solid evidence, Nuccetelli straightforwardly admitted, “There is no evidence.” (He was trying to imply the government is hiding it all.) He then cited the current hearing as his evidence. 

​Dylan Borland testified that he witnessed a giant triangular UFO made of a “fluid” or “dynamic” material hovering 100 feet above him at a military base for fifteen consecutive minutes, though no one else on the base saw it and it went unrecorded by any instruments. 
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Witnesses testify in a mostly empty hearing room.
UFO podcaster and local TV reporter ​George Knapp offered stories about Robert Bigelow supposedly being told that Lockheed Martin had an alloy from a crashed object that had been forged in space, and he offered stories about Soviet UFO research that had been broadcast in a cable TV documentary decades ago. Knapp, however, had difficulty answer Rep. Nick Begich’s (R-Alaska) question about the “long game” for ufology since everyone has access to smartphones and can view UFO videos. Knapp concedes that “the secret is out” but could not make much of a case for why government endorsement of ufology claims is therefore essential.
 
The only real evidence offered during the hearing were some blurry videos of blobs alleged to be unknown aerial phenomena. One video, entered by Rep. Eric Burlison (R-Missouri.), shows a Hellfire missile fired at a so-called “orb” (possibly a drone or helicopter) off Yemen and failing to explode. Rather than concluding the missile was a dud, the witnesses imply that the UFO was made of a material that deflected the missile and the missile “split in half” (the video shows no such thing). The House members did not subpoena the crew involved to testify nor did they appear to have conducted any research, presumably because they know it is not a tiny alien craft.
 
Rep. Nancy Mace (R-SC) spouted UFO conspiracies from the internet, such as the false claim that so-called UFO whistleblower David Grusch’s medical records were “leaked” to discredit him.
 
In short, the hearing was a pale echo of previous hearings, with more of the same stories unsupported by evidence and appeals to ignorance, with more of the same complaints about stigma and suppression. With nothing really new to offer, the hearing was something of a dud.
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Everyone can see Flying Saucers
9/9/2025 03:34:51 pm

Except the James Webb Space Telescope - they seem to have forgotten all about that !

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Rock Knocker
9/9/2025 03:59:35 pm

Is the driver behind these Congressional testimonies the draw of Warhol’s “world famous for 15 minutes” or is it fever dreams of deserved wealth for revealing “the Truth”? Only the Shadow knows.

Thanks Jason.

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Mean R Queried
9/9/2025 09:52:00 pm

You wrote, "It was the third House UFO hearing since 2022, when David Grusch claimed the government had alien “biologics.”"

No, that is not how it happened. Today's hearing would be the fourth UFO hearing since 2022 when the House Armed Services Committee held the first UFO hearing in over fifty years. David first made his claims publicly to the Debrief and News Nation in 2023. Three UFO hearings since then were held by the House Oversight Committee. For some reason the hearing held in 2022 no longer counts as a UFO hearing which is fine because I did not watch it.

Keep expectations low and never be disappointed.

Wonder if all the witnesses had already told their stories on podcasts making the whole point of the hearing to just to get them into the Congressional Record. Two described identical triangles reminiscent of the legendary TR-3 B Astral Black Manta or whatever we are supposed to call it. When will somebody use those things to win a war?

How would Nancy Mace react if told about any alien species of sequential hermaphrodites?

Right, nothing new. Obviously meant to appeal to the ignorant, but ignorance is bliss.

Noticed some familiar faces behind the witnesses. James Fox, Danny Sheehan, Stephen Bassett, and Jeremy Corbell were there, as they also attended the previous hearings. Jaime Maussan was there too. Did he bring any mummified remains to show to America's Congress as he did for Mexico's Congress? Sure there must have been other famous faces there I forgot to mention too.

Noticed a conspicuous lack of the mysticism that has come to dominate popular ufology in recent years. No mentions of dimensions or consciousness. Thought ufology had long ago abandoned outer space in favor of time travel and demonology.

There was at least some talk of space travel, but nobody answered how to get past Van Allen's radiation belts. Increasing speed would help to minimize time spent in radiation belts. Protective hulls should keep radiation from penetrating the interiors of spacecrafts.

Thanks for the opportunity to leave comments here, but I am sure nobody cares about this topic, and Kent will be furious. Goodbye.

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Off Topic
9/11/2025 08:54:31 pm

Dr. Meldrum has passed away.

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The six million dollar man
9/21/2025 05:17:43 pm

The guy who believed in bigfoot and that hundreds of thousands of Israelites relocated to North America 2500 years ago?

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Assis link
9/12/2025 02:53:28 pm

“On 29 July 1968, the US House of Representatives Committee on Science and Astronautics, held a symposium on UFOs. It was instigated by Congressman and NICAP member J. Edward Roush, and he introduced the session by saying this was to be an assessment of the UFO problem by six experts, to enable better judgements about future avenues of research. […] The six experts were Dr J. Allen Hynek, Dr James E. McDonald, Carl Sagan, Robert L. Hall, Dr James A. Harder and Robert M. L. Baker Jr. All of them were generally in favour of conducting further UFO research. And note, there is not a sceptic in the house”.

Magonia review of Lochlainn Seabrook, Mysterious Invaders: Twelve Famous 20th-Century Scientists Confront the UFO Phenomenon, Sea Raven Press, 2024.

https://pelicanist.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-never-ending-story.html#more

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OG from america u earthed days
9/13/2025 03:19:07 pm

The Houthies have been very proficient in the last decade with cheap drones. Might be a ballon with a sensor array hanging underneath. And hellfires are air to ground missiles. How fast was it going? I heard low speed. Traveling in the wind? Ive casually follwed the resurgence of UFOs ( grew up in the late 70s/early 80s and read it all as a kid) beyond the Nimitz incident which is weird havent seen any serious evidence. Have watched AA in years but i caught the Volcano episode. Really no more material left to cover it seems. Georgio a fellow IC grad like Jason and my son looks worse for wear as well.

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Kent
9/17/2025 09:19:47 pm

Now that it's "known" that the Malmstrom Incident was gummint dismissinformation, let's circle back to l'il Bobby Lazar. Bobby Lazar, ladies and gennulmen!

He's a super good drawer with that Sharpie, very symmetrical, although as G.G. Liddy taught us with Project Gemstone the USG has graphics people on staff. Why an ex-FBI, ex-Treasury guy would go to CIA for posters has always interested me.

He called it "the sports model". What's the non-sports model like Bob? He never said.

Element 115? Pull the other one.

I see Lazar's account as legitimate chaff to cover and confuse Area 51, which makes much of what followed in the culture just noise. Noise which can be used, as in the recent large scale drone testing in the northeast of the U.S.

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Mean R Queried
9/20/2025 10:05:13 pm

Welcome back to Jason's blog! Have an American egg roll!

Wondering if you too noticed how Bob's drawings of the Sports Model are exact matches with one of Billy Meier's Beam Ships. Want URLs? No, you do not, because you are Kent. Speaking of Watergate burglars, years ago, an author alleged the break-in was done by Scientologists to distract from a coup attempt in Morocco. Want URLs? No, you do not, because you are Kent. Might be a good idea to look at Scientology again for connections to this topic.

The iconic poster on the X-Files is one of Billy Meier's Beam Ships, the exact same one that Bob called the Sports Model. Bob mentioned nine craft in total but did not talk as much about the other eight. The number of craft has since increased to ten, according to what was said during the hearing.

Alright, in that case you should celebrate Bob for bringing attention to Area 51 which somehow led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the end of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War for America. Right? Do not remember any parades and medals for Bob. Legitimate chaff to drop as confetti when you finally have parades and parties to celebrate Bob's patriotic service and sacrifice of his reputation. When will these new luminous sphere shaped drones be ready to finally be deployed against enemies in theaters of wars?

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anthony greb (the pre-raphaelite fetishist) in the matthew lesko lovenest
9/21/2025 12:00:00 am

Wow, someone's got issues. Too late now but some football early in life would have trained the sissy out of him. Failing that we'd free up some budget even after funeral expenses.

Alien space ships how one leaves Earth
9/22/2025 11:08:18 pm

Still using somebody else's name, I see. I thought that sort of thing got people blocked around here.

Mean R Queried
9/24/2025 01:36:02 am

Sorry to return so late or so early. Are we still circling back to Bob? Found this tale on Douglas Dean Johnson's website.

https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/joe-rogan-and-bob-lazar-a-tale-of-parallel-universes/

Thought it would be relevant if we are to circle back to Bob, and it is most certainly relevant to the congressional hearings as both Weaponized hosts George Knapp and Jeremy Corbel are involved. Why did nobody ask for a treasure map to the location of the metal?

@Kent
Sorry to paste another URL in the comment section of Jason's blog. I noticed how links infuriate you.

@Anthony
If football was the solution, then how do you explain Aaron Rogers?

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Mean R Queried
10/6/2025 04:40:20 am

Hello again. Sorry if now is too late to return here. Are we still circling back to Bob? Asking again because I want to share URLs, something that apparently irritates you, Kent. Sorry. Here is a synopsis of Bob's story written by his friend Gene Huff.

https://otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-lazar-synopsis/

Found the link to that synopsis in a post on Recluse's blog.

https://visupview.blogspot.com/2017/04/fringe-strange-and-terrible-history-of.html

Since I already started copying and pasting URLs this morning to infuriate you, Kent, here is another one I thought about sharing.

https://saucerco.com/blogs/saucer-encounters/did-billy-meier-and-bob-lazar-encounter-the-same-craft

Kent, you implied whatever happened at the end of 2024 was large scale drone testing in the northeast U.S. which includes New Jersey. Turns out there is a community on Reddit dedicated to discussing drones over New Jersey. One Reddit user posted a theory in both that community and another for enlightenment.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJDrones/comments/1nsacyu/uap_ufo_education_the_phenomena_is_real_and_it_is/

Now we are told drones above New Jersey are somehow spiritual. Does that make sense? Seems like a new cargo cult of folk who now venerate drones like the cults who worshiped ships and planes. Freedom of Religion means such beliefs must be allowed, but how does one explain to the cultists how their idols are simply aircraft? Also curious if anybody here can make sense of this stuff on Reddit too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1lqzr2h/the_ufo_narrative_was_engineered_its_a_ritual_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/disclosurecorner/comments/1lqzphq/the_ufo_narrative_was_engineered_its_a_ritual_of/

Who is the Orion Group? Is it from the Law of One Ra Material?

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Mean R Queried
10/7/2025 09:14:18 pm

Hello again tonight. Apologies in advance for leaving more comments nearly one month after this post was posted, but on Sunday morning I found a link to a page on Reddit containing a six minute video clip from Weaponized featuring three men who were at the hearing nearly one month ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1nylqr2/i_think_that_what_were_dealing_with_is_very_very/

Sorry for returning so late to leave another reply, but this is the type of talk that is relevant to this blog. Honestly, I had not watched or listened to Weaponized in months. Canned podcasts do not excite the same way as live streaming podcasts. Noticing another witness on Weaponized confirms what I suspected. The witnesses selected to testify were featured on Weaponized. In the video clip, witness Dylan said he thinks they are dealing with old things referred to as gods, demons, angels, jinn, or whatever, seemingly agreeing with the Ancient Astronaut Hypothesis as seen on History's Ancient Aliens, but not necessarily, as in the next sentence Dylan said, "There are probably also extraterrestrials," implying gods, demons, angels, jinn, and whatever must not also be extraterrestrials.

Huh? Is that now the War Department's official opinion? Nearly everything all three men said during the six minutes is speculation, none of them proved anything they said in the six minute video clip. Curiously, neither Dylan nor George mentioned those opinions and theories to Congress nearly one month ago. Remember during the hearing Dylan said the only way to confirm if something was extraterrestrial would be to send astronauts to its planet of origin explaining how the Pentagon's office's report is technically true.

Curious if you and your fans have opinions about this, Jason. This type of talk is why I stopped watching and listening to Weaponized.

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