When last we left Nephilim theorists Steve Quayle and Tom Horn on the TruNews podcast, they were speculating on how Pres. Obama and Pope Francis, as agents of evil, were working with underground Antarctic Nazis to resurrect the bodies of Nephilim dredged up from the Marianas Trench, where God had commanded the angels to bind them for ten thousand years. As we pick up today, Quayle is explaining that a “demon” is a disembodied spirit of evil, while a fallen angel is one of the third of the host of heaven who followed Lucifer to hell. He says that demons and fallen angels rule the world in secret, and are the true cause of evil, which he seems to define as “liberals.”
Their claims are so bizarre that it becomes pointless to even list them. At one point, he claims that the CERN particle accelerator revealed “entities” at the end of its long tube, and that the Large Hadron Collider is actually a super-weapon to make “war on God” by shooting “God particles” to take out the deity. Horn believes that Native Americans were contacted by a Watcher in the guise of a reptilian god who taught witchcraft. Horn claims that the Dead Sea Scrolls describe the Watchers as being the same as the Reptilians from the books of David Icke. He seems to be referring to the so-called Testament of Amram (4Q543, 545-548), which states that one of the Watchers appeared “like a serpent …. like a viper.” Thus and therefore, any serpent or snake god must consequently be a Watcher and evil.
Horn is very upset that other Christians discount Native American accounts of evil serpent teachers because they feel Native Americans are outside the Biblical framework, but Horn believes that all the world’s peoples preserve distorted accounts of the Mosaic revelation and therefore serve as confirmation of the truth of Genesis—a claim as old as the Hellenistic scholars who tried to prove the primacy of the Torah, and most elaborately maintained by Jacob Bryant in his New System of the 1700s.
It’s rather strange, frankly, that self-satisfied super-Christians would base their faith on the Book of Enoch, pagan mythology, and apocryphal scrolls, but there you have it.
Consider this Q-and-A between the show’s host, Rick Wiles, and Steve Quayle, on the Watchers:
“Are they going to come up out onto the earth out of the volcanoes?” Wiles asked.
“Yeah, I have an answer for that, Rick: Absolutely!” Quayle replied, adding that Hawaiians sacrificed virgins to volcanoes to try to keep the Watchers inside their volcano prisons. Yes, we are all Scientologists now. I kid. Quayle simply believes that the Watchers are imprisoned under the Earth’s surface and therefore must rise up from beneath the ground. Horn adds that he believes that not only are the Watchers and/or Nephilim waiting beneath the surface, Jesus descended after the crucifixion to preach to them and warn them against their plans to rise again.
Quayle alleges that every country on Earth wants to get hold of the Nephilim’s secret technology, and he is worried that Obama has de-Christianized America in favor of worshiping Anubis and Baal in preparation for the return of the Nephilim and the Watchers. He says that evidence of this can be seen in the “disgusting” products of Hollywood. He cites Star Wars: The Force Awakens as evidence of this preparation for the return of the Nephilim because the villainous Snoke’s hologram appears as a giant relative to the other characters, making him a Nephilim.
Horn alleges that the ancestral Puebloans were “small” people, but that two Puebloans with six fingers on each hand and “the teeth of lions” in “two rows,” standing more than seven feet tall “have just been excavated in Colorado.” He says he’s trying to get permission to photograph these Nephilim corpses, but so far no one has been allowed to see them. He adds that Washington, D.C. is laid out according to the Hermetic-Nephilim principle of “as above, so below.” Quayle chimes in that the giants built all of Earth’s ancient wonders, which weirdly aligns his beliefs with Islamic folklore more than Christian. Indeed, Quayle denies that ancient people could have evolved from “Neanderthals” so he paradoxically concludes that ancient sites must be made by Nephilim, even though Nephilim didn’t come to the Earth until after Cain’s kin had already built the first cities. I find Nephilim theorizing very confusing.
Horn says that the Bible is so extraordinary that unless one is deeply knowledgeable about the Nephilim, one cannot understand either the Bible or Horn’s explication of it. He castigates the clergy for not adequately teaching laypeople about the Nephilim and their role in the imminent End Times. He also says that the Nephilim have magical powers because (a) Og the Giant had a big bed (Deut. 3:11), (b) the Babylonians used a ritual bed of the same size for their sex magic, and (c) God told Ezekiel that the Babylonians had powerful but evil magic. (I did not quite follow where that last point came from, but it seems to refer to Ezekiel 13:17-18.) Therefore, giants are magical.
Quayle chimes in that the Vatican is hiding the writings left behind by the giants, and he cites “The Lost Book of King Og,” an April Fool’s Day hoax on an obscure website, as a genuine text from the giants hidden by the Vatican. The hoax, which is not terribly convincing, purports to be a secret Vatican text but is based on a reference to the Liber de Ogia nomine gigante qui post diluvium cum dracone ab hereticis pugnasse perhibetur (“Book of Og(ias), Called a Giant, of Whom the Heretics Assert He Fought with a Dragon after the Flood”) among the apocrypha in the canonical and non-canonical book list of the Decretum Gelasianum, itself a sixth century forgery. (It isn’t clear that the hoaxer was aware of this primary source, which technically refers to the antediluvian Ogias, who had long since been conflated with the post-diluvian Og.) Needless to say, even if this text somehow survived, it would not represent the genuine work of the giant Og any more than Enoch wrote the Book of Enoch. Some believe the text derives from the Dead Sea Scrolls’ Book of Giants, directly or indirectly through the Manichean Book of Giants, of which it may even be a Latin translation of this text. In short, it isn’t what it claims to be.
Quayle, Horn, and Wiles all happily embraced the hoax text as proof that the Vatican is hiding the secret wisdom of the Nephilim. Horn asserts that all prophets, prophetic books, and seers around the world, including the Zohar and the Cherokee, agreed that 2016 is the year that the Nephilim will return through a star gate from a parallel universe. I would challenge him to name the specific prophecies. He suggests that CERN is trying to open the gate to a Satanic Nephilim dimension, and he speculates that the Nephilim have sent scientists a message that they aren’t ready to make public. But wait: I thought the Nephilim were going to come up out of the volcanoes from their subterranean prisons. Which is it?
Wiles finished the interview by repeating a news story that Hillary Clinton will reveal the truth about UFOs and extraterrestrials, and the unspoken conclusion is that the “truth” is that aliens are really Nephilim. A truer statement might be that Nephilim theories are Ancient Aliens for Evangelicals, kind of like the way Evangelicals have Christian “rock” music and poorly made Christian “movies”—bad knockoffs of secular culture.
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