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Steve Quayle's Film Partner Claims the "Book of Enoch" as "True Testimony" Written by Enoch on the Orders of God

2/3/2017

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​It seems that Simcha Jacobovici’s hidden agenda to Judaize Atlantis reached its intended audience. Since his documentary claiming that Atlantis was the Biblical city of Tarshish and that Atlantis was the source of Judaism aired on the National Geographic Channel on Sunday, the story has been picked up by conservative and evangelical publications such as World Net Daily and Breaking Israel News. From there, it has spread across the conservative social media landscape. I’ve seen dozens of Facebook posting about how Atlantis is “really” Jewish, or how Atlantis is “linked” to the Jewish Temple and thus to Christian Zionism and the Second Coming. (In short: The subtext is that Atlantis, being non-Arab, justifies the existence of Israel as a Westernized, non-Arab state by predating Palestinian claims by thousands of years.) Given that Nat Geo is a division of 21st Century Fox, the parent company of Fox News, it’s hard to put down to coincidence a subliminal thread of conservative propaganda running through the documentary, particularly when the presumed audience for the program quickly picked up exactly the message they were meant to see. 
​It's hard not to draw parallels, albeit from a different angle, between this and white nationalist Richard Spencer’s reaction to the White House International Holocaust Memorial Day statement that purposely excluded mentions of Judaism and the Jewish people. Spencer, who claims to have worked with Trump senior advisor Stephen Miller when both were in college, praised the Trump Administration for the “de-Judificiation” of the Holocaust in a statement posted on the AltRight.com website he co-owns with fringe historian and Aryan culture theorist Jason Reza Jorjani. Criticizing the use of the Holocaust for moral purposes, Spencer claimed that “Trump’s statement becomes outrageous, as it dethrones Jews from a special position in the universe.” The Trump Administration said it purposely excluded mention of Jews because the Nazis killed other groups as well.
 
Since we’re on the subject of evangelical, conservative, white nationalists, and lunatic views on Judaism, I thought I would return to something that came up in evangelical Nephilim theorist Steve Quayle’s radio presentation the other day. I commented that Quayle seems to endorse wholesale the non-canonical Book of Enoch, a text rejected by the early Church for views that are in opposition to the narrative given in the Book of Genesis, as well as views opposed to what became standard theological ideas. I was surprised to see that one of his associates was even more explicit.
​In Quayle’s radio appearance, he pleaded for listeners to buy his products because he is a one man show, though he remembered at some point that he works with Timothy Alberino, the filmmaker behind his Nephilim-hunting DVD series. It turns out that last month Alberino appeared in a YouTube broadcast in which he offered the kind of full-throated defense of the Book of Enoch that ought to have evangelical Christians running screaming from the Nephilim theories, but sadly won’t.
In the Old Testament Age, everybody knew the story of Enoch, and they knew a lot more about Enoch than just that he begot Methuselah and then walked with God for 300 years and disappeared. That’s almost all we know about Enoch. It’s certainly not all they knew about Enoch, and again when I say “they,” I’m referencing the New Testament era and then the Old Testament era. The Hebrews knew a lot more than we know about Enoch, and that to me is apparent. They knew a lot more than we know about Melchizedek as well, and some of these other characters who are vaguely referenced in the Bible. So, what’s really interesting about Enoch is that we’re told that, in the Book of Jude, we’re told that he prophesied, which is a very important distinction concerning Enoch because if Enoch prophesied, the writer of Jude is saying that Enoch was a prophet, and in every case, what the prophets prophesied in the Bible, in the Old Testament, was written down. So, it’s logical to assume that if Enoch was a prophet and he prophesied, that his prophecy was written down. And furthermore, I think we can infer that if his prophecy was written down, and we have an ancient manuscript called the Book of Enoch, then it’s very likely that this is in fact his prophecy or a work which contains his prophecy. […] All of this leads me to the unassailable conclusion that the Book of Enoch is a true testimony of the prophecy of Enoch.
​So, to recap: Nephilim theorist Timothy Alberino, protégé of Steve Quayle, officially endorsed the Book of Enoch as a book that ought to be canonical because it is a true account of a prophecy uttered by one of God’s own prophets. He is literally rewriting the Bible!
 
But moreover, consider the slipshod logic he employs: (a) Enoch was a prophet, so (b) he must have recorded his prophecy, and therefore (c) a text passing under his name must be the genuine article. Even an amateur logician will recognize that these three claims have no logical connection to one another. Most importantly, there is no logical reason to believe that a given text passing under a writer’s name belongs to him. Following this logic, we should assume that all of the pseudepigrapha like the Book of Abraham (allegedly written by Abraham) and, more preposterously, the Life of Adam and Eve (allegedly recording the conversations of the title pair!) are real words of those named in them. This is illogical. But in the case of Enoch it’s even worse because Enoch’s prophecy was allegedly written before the Flood. How, pray tell, did such a true testament survive the Flood? Why did no later prophet, king, or priest make reference to it in the centuries after, not until St. Jude in the years after the book was already known to be circulating among the Jews? More important still: If this is a true revelation of God through a prophet, how do we account for the theological differences from mainstream Judaism and Christianity? Alberino seems to suggest that his own evangelical faith is flawed by failing to incorporate the differences in theology found in the Enochian corpus.
 
Since the Book of Enoch is large and heterogenous (usually considered a fusion of five earlier books), I will confine myself to pointing out that in Enoch, it is the evil wrought by the bloodthirsty giants that leads to the Flood, instigated by an appeal of the souls of the dead to God, and humanity is not corrupted through original sin but through Azazel’s teaching of technology and makeup. But in Genesis, God is angry at all of creation, not just the giants, and the theological framework is that humanity’s corruption derives from original sin, not evil angels. These details aren’t just cosmetic.
 
It’s good to know, though, that the Nephilim theorists are now open about their love of the Book of Enoch and are openly breaking from the evangelical Christianity they claim to embrace in order to make it easier to spin lucrative lies about demons and giants. 
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Ken
2/3/2017 11:28:09 am

Does this also mean that the Ancient Alien theory is true because Enoch took a flight around the solar system? Will fundamental christians now embrace AA theory? Their logic so far would seem to dictate this.

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Only Me
2/3/2017 01:06:12 pm

Seems to me the connection between ancient astronaut theorists and Nephilim theorists is stronger than it first appeared.

One camp keeps telling us the truth can be found in all ancient texts, the other points to the Bible specifically and neither have any compunctions about rewriting what the actual texts say to serve their purposes. The only difference is what they are trying to describe: aliens or angels/demons/giants.

"Given that Nat Geo is a division of 21st Century Fox, the parent company of Fox News, it’s hard to put down to coincidence a subliminal thread of conservative propaganda running through the documentary, particularly when the presumed audience for the program quickly picked up exactly the message they were meant to see."

Isn't this a bit of a stretch, Jason? I'll openly admit to not being familiar with how the parent company-subsidiary relationship works, but aren't subsidiary companies allowed a certain degree of autonomy? In other words, the views expressed or supported by Nat Geo aren't necessarily shared by 21st Century Fox?

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Jason Colavito link
2/3/2017 01:30:21 pm

No, the companies don't officially endorse one another, but they are all run, directly or indirectly, by members of the Murdoch family. Nat Geo's Murdoch is said to be the more "liberal" one, but that's a relative term. In the case of Nat Geo, they are also restricted by their contractual relationship with the National Geographic Society. The broader picture, though, remains that the Murdochs have never shied away from allowing their producers to let ideology influence the final product. Nor, frankly, need it be intentional; they might simply accept it as "fair and balanced" because they can't see any other point of view. That said, unless the Nat Geo executives are really, really out of it, it seems hard to believe that they wouldn't have raised some objection to ascribing Judaism to a fictional Atlantis.

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Only Me
2/3/2017 01:37:53 pm

Gotcha. I agree with your last sentence, but I guess ratings and profit really do win out in the end.

Americanegro
2/3/2017 07:49:00 pm

And "Murdoch" is of course code for "Rothschild" and international Jewry. Or perhaps if you pull back enough curtains it's the Catholic Church playing a long con to discredit those who seem to expose the Venus families. Which means means Wolter is unknowingly in on the conspiracy. There's always a Roper, a Strategist, Legs, a Fixer, and a Buffoon.

Americanegro
2/3/2017 01:27:49 pm

I'm not concerned about what's "canonical" and what's not I don't think any church should dictate my reading list.

People lose sight of the fact that the Hebrew scriptures tell the story of how they invaded what is now Israel and slaughtered many of the inhabitants.

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At Risk
2/3/2017 02:20:26 pm

Some of the scouts were overly-pessimistic, too, if I remember correctly...telling tall tales about giants, for instance.

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Bob Jase
2/3/2017 01:38:24 pm

So he's rewriting the bible - big deal, that's been SOP for over two thousand years.

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Kal
2/3/2017 01:52:27 pm

"And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll." Revelation 22:19, NIV

Book of Enoch not canon, therefore doesn't count.

The only Enoch is from Genesis where he is a son of Cain who a city was named for. That's it. Also he lived 300 years. Allegedly. That's it.

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A Buddhist
2/3/2017 05:31:26 pm

This is false. There are two Enochs within the Bible:

1 The Son of Cain: Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

2. The Son of Jared the Descendant of Seth: Genesis 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch: 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died. 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

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Americanegro
2/3/2017 07:54:03 pm

Got one right for once! Tellingly, not Buddhism-related. Well-done!

A Buddhist
2/4/2017 03:17:11 pm

Americanegro,

Thank you for the compliment. I have read much about the Bible. And many other matters.

Americanegro
2/4/2017 07:15:36 pm

Not a compliment, just encouragement to keep digging yourself out of the pit of wrongness. The blind squirrel finding an acorn doesn't mean he doesn't make a tasty stew.

A Buddhist
2/5/2017 11:16:18 am

Americanegro,

On what ground do you deny having given me a compliment? You praised me for getting something right. I think that such a thing is a compliment. Certainly, even if I were as incompetent as a blind squirrel, being praised for an inadvertent success would be compliment, I think. And if I were a truly "blind squirrel", my mentions of Buddhism would have such foreign element as "Buddhism is about unity with Brahman!", "Buddhism is about discovering your real soul!", "Buddhism is a monotheistic religion!", etc.

Americanegro
2/3/2017 07:52:50 pm

"Canon" is nonsense. Christians don't have any authority over the Jewish scriptures. Strangely enough there are three different creation stories in the Old Testament and three different Nativity stories in the New Testament.

No one decided what was "canon" until several hundred years AD.

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Not the Conte de Saint Germain
2/3/2017 09:46:05 pm

Well, to get technical about it, Jews started forming their canon when they codified the Pentateuch, several centuries before Jesus' time. By the time of his birth, Jews were already recognizing many other books as sacred, though they didn't settle on a fixed canon until the first or second century after his birth. Western Christians settled on their New Testament canon near the end of the fourth century, although their Old Testament canon included a bit more than the Jewish one. Hence the Apocrypha, which separates out the Old Testament books that Jews don't recognize.

Anyway, nobody regards the Book of Enoch as canonical except the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and its recent Eritrean offshoot.

Yah Saves
7/5/2018 02:39:21 pm

The Enoch 1, is vastly different than Enoch 2 and 3 is very metaphysical mystical and leaning towards Kabbalah.
The problem becomes when the lot of Christ believers regurgitate whatever any other Pastor or Preacher has told to them.
Book of Enoch 1 talks about Giants the case for the flood, stuff Scripture believers should be in the know of, not some SUNday worship where the pastor tells them where to open up with an emotion driven sensitive sermon that makes them feel good. Believers are not versed in the spiritual warefare of why, and actually whom... Prayer prayer and supplication to our Most High Elohim that He will show us what and whom. As scripture implies, In the end days will be likened to the days of Noah.

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At Risk
2/3/2017 02:14:43 pm

Good rundown, Jason. I'm glad you're making a clear distinction between canonical and non-cononical renditions, without which there is unnecessary confusion swirling about giants' heads. Yes, undoubtedly, this reminds me of Big Ole, a supposed Viking taking credit for the Kensington Runestone, a "Christian" document to those who can entertain the thought that it may be real. Not to be distracted, though, or off-subject....

From above: "...the theological framework is that humanity’s corruption derives from original sin, not evil angels."

(Highlighted, lest we forget that Satan was intimately involved with mankind's fall, being the beguiling ANGEL appearing in the form of a snake...if taken literally in this case, rather than symbolically.)

So then, we have both original sin and an evil angel opposing early mankind together, and The Devil is known as the Father of Lies for a good reason.

Enoch was one of only a few persons who left Earth while still alive, through some form of translation and deportation. Jesus was the last Person I can think of.

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A Buddhist
2/3/2017 05:33:58 pm

Do you deny the story of Micaiah ben Imlah? Or do you deny that YHVH your god is capable of sending lying spirits into people to give them false news?

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Tyndale
11/2/2019 07:22:55 am

To punish an evil king, yes, who even were warned outright of the deception, but still in his arrogance chose to ride to his doom despite the crystal clear warning. Kind of like pharao in egypt who time and time again let hubris and arrogance influence him to think he could challenge the almighty instead of making rationale and prudent choices that would be the best for his family and people. Theres a reason that being humble is so important. Its not one of the fruits of the spirit but it is a necessity to be able to receive and practice them. Proverbs 21:4 And James 4:6 is a couple of many passages that leaves no doubt about how our God feels about pride and arrogance. And the bible is rich on tales of the undoing of men who are destroyed because they will not take the prudent and humble action and instead choose ego over wisdom. A lesson i strive to heed every day

Mandalore
2/3/2017 07:03:11 pm

Muhammad left the world while still alive, as I recall.

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Americanegro
2/3/2017 08:04:35 pm

What Mr. Gunn At Risk Whatever Pseudonym is denying is Muhammad's Mi'raj, and also Calypso Louis Farrakhan's story that he told at the Million Man March, transcript easily findable. Of course he probably thinks that Judge Crater and Ambrose Bierce are whooping it up with Nazis at a secret Viking base in Antarctica.

Americanegro
2/3/2017 08:12:42 pm

"Jesus was the last Person I can think of." Yeah, he's the last person I want to think of too. Got himself and a lot of other people killed. The Jesus of Jesus Christ Superstar I can relate to.

Tupac and Elvis both appeared to many of their followers after their death. Andy Kaufmann took it to another level. I wonder what'll happen when Randi dies in the near future.

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At Risk
2/3/2017 09:03:28 pm

Well, I didn't mean to suggest or imply that Christ left Earth, except in bodily form after His death and resurrection, as witnessed by hundreds of His followers at one time.

The spirit of Christ resides in individuals upon acceptance of God's plan, and the spirit of Christ includes the Holy Spirit and God the Father, Creator of all.

So, Jesus left in bodily form, as with Enoch, yet the spirit of Christ is with us today, ready to be our Friend.

With the renting of the symbolic curtain from top to bottom with Christ's sacrificial death, we are currently in a dispensation of love and mercy and tenderness and forgiveness...we are not supposed to be like Southern Baptists who want an eye for an eye and death for death, for example. (In other words, the death penalty is out.) It's time to lighten-up....

Time Machine
2/3/2017 11:17:03 pm

>>>witnessed by hundreds of His followers at one time<<<

You said it - the resurrection of Christ was witnessed by only his followers and to nobody else.

You said it.

Americanegro
2/4/2017 10:36:07 am

"Hundreds" Mr. Whatever Your Name Is? Try 11 according to Acts of the Apostles. You are the fastest and loosest of anyone who's ever played fast and loose.

Time Machine, you poor old sod. Unless you've got some super-special classified above top-secret Bible, the Biblical account has NO ONE witnessing Christ's resurrection.

Get your made-up stories straight, gentlemen.

At Risk Gunn-Bob
2/4/2017 12:22:41 pm

AMERICANEGRO, what is your name? Are you being a bit hypocritical at all? From whence comes yer animosity?

We are, of course, talking about the aftermath of Christ's Resurrection, not to be so easily confused:

http://biblehub.com/topical/ttt/t/the_ascension_of_christ--forty_days_after_his_resurrection.htm

Americanegro
2/4/2017 12:40:24 pm

I keep a single persona, both here and on Wolter's site. I don't adopt new ones nilly-willy, as Mrs. Slocum would say. That's the difference between you and me. If you choose to use multiple names it don't make you a bad person, but it bears mentioning.

So now it's "the aftermath of the resurrection" instead of "the resurrection".

"Well, earlier I said I saw the murder, but what I meant was I saw the rotting corpse."

Totes the same thing.

A Buddhist
2/4/2017 03:19:54 pm

At Risk,

I am glad that you oppose the death penalty. In this way, you are better than Nichiren.

Tom
2/3/2017 03:18:42 pm

The misuse of sources is blatant since The Book of Enoch is not evidence of Atlantis, UFO's or anything else outside the history of religious belief.
Do these people really think that advanced ancient civilisations or Aliens could not produce accurate descriptions of this world but could only write this sort of confusing fiction?
Enoch fits neatly into the corpus of Jewish traditional stories gathered together between the Greek occupation and the arrival of the Romans it was also much admired by the early christians.

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Kal
2/4/2017 04:40:24 pm

Typical of the blog posters, you do not read into the thread the evident undertones of it. The Enoch referred to here is the one from the Cain line, not the one from the Seth line, so I left him out. The book is from the Cain one.

Just because there are at least four Marys does not mean they are all the Mary.

That was not the point. The point was that once it was made canan in 300 or so, anything after that was made not canon by that Revelation chapter. That's all. Maybe there is nothing to see here.

The book of Enoch is in other words fiction written later.

Arguing that all of it is written later does not answer the original post, but confounds.

The Apocrypha is not canon. It just isn't.

And it wasn't just Jesus' followers that saw him rise into the clouds, but even gentiles, non Jews and not followers, that saw it, hundreds of them.

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Americanegro
2/4/2017 06:20:55 pm

"Typical of the blog posters, you do not read into the thread the evident undertones of it. The Enoch referred to here is the one from the Cain line, not the one from the Seth line, so I left him out. The book is from the Cain one."

Wow, you've got that wrong. The Enoch of the Book of Enoch is a descendent of Seth, not Cain.

"Just because there are at least four Marys does not mean they are all the Mary."

Given that you got the previous thing wrong, what's your pernt?

"That was not the point. The point was that once it was made canan in 300 or so, anything after that was made not canon by that Revelation chapter. That's all. Maybe there is nothing to see here."

How do you misspell "canon" when it's on your screen? How do you not understand the difference between "made 'canan'" and "made not 'canan'"? The word 'not' is a clue.

"The book of Enoch is in other words fiction written later."

Later than what, Doctor Nonsense?

"Arguing that all of it is written later does not answer the original post, but confounds."

Vide supra.

"The Apocrypha is not canon. It just isn't."

No one's arguing that point. Get a grip and take your meds.

"And it wasn't just Jesus' followers that saw him rise into the clouds, but even gentiles, non Jews and not followers, that saw it, hundreds of them."

Apparently you have information that isn't in the Bible. Did he rocket to Minnesota out of a stonehole?

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At Risk
2/5/2017 11:14:48 am

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/guzik/commentaries/4401.htm

b. To whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs: Jesus also established the fact of His resurrection with many infallible proofs during the forty days after his resurrection but before His ascension. He left no possible doubt that He was resurrected, exactly as He had promised.

i. In 1 Corinthians 15:6 Paul described one of these many infallible proofs: He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present. More than 500 people saw the resurrected Jesus, and most of them were still alive some 25 years later in the days of Paul’s ministry.

There is no need for snarky comments to get your points across, AMERICANEGRO. I have seen a few times that you are wiser than that.

Americanegro
2/5/2017 02:56:51 pm

"Well, I didn't mean to suggest or imply that Christ left Earth, except in bodily form after His death and resurrection, as witnessed by hundreds of His followers at one time."

"Well, I didn't mean to suggest or imply that Christ left Earth, except in bodily form... as witnessed by hundreds of His followers at one time."

Same same. If you believe the made-up Bible, ELEVEN people saw his imaginary trip to heaven.

Try to follow your own argument, won't you? And just so we're clear, biblehub.com is not the Bible, it is a refuge for the lazy.

Terentilius
2/5/2017 01:43:49 pm

Hey Colavito. Try living up to that high bar of historical accuracy and intellectual fairness.
Shed some light on the National Council of La Raza or the la raza movement in general.
As you are probably aware raza means race or ethnicity. UFW labor leader Cesar Chavez strongly opposed la raza. Step up to the plate Colavito.
How about Farrakhan and the Black Muslim movement? Care to step up to the plate?
How about addressing the Cultural Marxists from the Frankfurt School? Pro-Con?

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