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A Couple of Odd Anecdotes about the Giza Pyramids

11/10/2017

32 Comments

 
​Is it possible that I am running out of things to write about? It seems that this has been a particularly slow week for bad claims about history, and I am inclined to think that the collapse of the media’s interest in fringe history is to blame. Over the past couple of years, the number of cable shows focusing on fringe history (broadly defined) has declined markedly. Where once they filled several hours per day several days per week, to the point that one weekend there were nonstop fringe shows on some cable channel or another, now there are only a few, led by Ancient Aliens, a show that stopped being about history when it decided to become a spiritual movement and a lifestyle brand. Even written fringe is in decline. Nephilim theorists like L. A. Marzulli have devolved into pro-Trump pundits, and even the clickbait sites are reduced to recycling recycled content. 
​Anyway, I don’t have a lot to write about today, so I thought I’d share a couple of interesting anecdotes about the pyramids of Egypt. The first concerns a Maltese tourist at the Giza pyramids named Madame Serafina. The Irish doctor and historian Richard Robert Madden ran into her when traveling across the Ottoman Empire in the 1820s. In his 1829 book Travels in Turkey, Egypt, Nubia and Palestine, he recorded what happened when the befuddled tourist tried to discover from her travel companion, an English engineer, how the Biblical patriarch Joseph had built the pyramids as grain silos:
A few minutes’ repose restored Madame Serafina’s strength; her volubility appeared to have suffered little damage; she ejaculated in Italian, but she talked in English; she asked me a thousand questions about the age of the Pyramids? the number of Jews who were employed by Pharaoh to build them? where the bricks were to be seen which were made without straw? and what sort of things the mummies of the kings were in the interior?
 
The merry engineer undertook to answer her questions; he rallied her a good deal for not having courage to enter the Pyramid; assured her it was all a hoax about the Israelites building the tombs; that Chops built one, and Franey the other; and that Belzoni made a bull, in mistaking the bones of an ox, for those of a king. The poor lady listened with great attention to this history of the Pyramids; and I have no doubt, thought herself amply repaid for all her fatigue by the acquisition of so much knowledge. The only thing that surprised me was, that a Maltese should take any interest at all in such a subject: but I ascertained that Madame Serafina had been married to an English serjeant; and no doubt derived her classical enthusiasm from that source.
​Nothing like a little racism to cap off a bizarre conversation!
 
While this is an amusing anecdote about a misinformed Maltese woman talking with a partially informed Englishman, a second story is both more humorous and a story that surprisingly hasn’t yet been used as proof that the pyramid builders were in contact with the Americas. It comes to us from the March 1909 Brewer’s Journal:
Barley has been found in the lake dwellings of Switzerland in deposits belonging to the Stone Age. It is also claimed that barley found in the pyramids had retained its germinating capacity on account of the absolute dryness of the air in which it was stored. Barley will retain its germinating capacity for a long time, if stored in a dry air-tight place. But the story of the barley from the pyramids is a hoax as well as that of the wheat found there and which is often called “pyramid” wheat. The truth of the matter is that some foxy Arabs placed the grain in the pyramids so that some professors would find it. They carried the joke too far, however, when they placed some of our Indian corn or maize in the pyramids--a grain which is distinctly American and was not known in Egypt until after the discovery of America.
​I would have thought some crafty fraudster would be trying to legitimize the hoax by now.
32 Comments
Mary Baker
11/10/2017 10:41:44 am

"Is it possible that I am running out of things to write about? It seems that this has been a particularly slow week for bad claims about history, and I am inclined to think that the collapse of the media’s interest in fringe history is to blame."

Maybe you (and others) have worked too hard combating pseudo-history. Time to refocus on a related field?

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Residents Fan
11/10/2017 12:23:49 pm

"I would have thought some crafty fraudster would be trying to legitimize the hoax by now."


Don't give them ideas! ;)

Two controversies have been rocking the horror world recently:

1) Writer C.A. Suleiman has been banned from Horror Writers Association events due to what are described as "incidents" involving female guests:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Horrorwritersassoc/permalink/10154810665691581/


2) It's that man again: S. T. Joshi launched an almost 6000 word long tirade against horror writer Brian Keene on his website recently. Keene responded with a diatribe of his own, accusing Joshi and his associate Jason V. Brock of running a campaign against "Lovecraft Haters" despite the fact Keene has repeatedly expressed admiration for Lovecraft's work:

http://file770.com/?p=38699

I have never read any of Brock's fiction. He may well be every bit as bad as Seabury Quinn, Guy N. Smith or Shaun Hutson. But there are problems with Joshi's article, as when he sinks into his lazy misanthropy: "A fair number of his books have been published by Leisure Books, a firm that habitually churns out pablum of all sorts for the great unwashed."*
There's also a 203 word digression in the review where Joshi attacks the idea of the benign deity would permit evil-which is out of place in an assessment of a Keene's literary merit. If Joshi had written this as an academic paper, it would be marked down for wandering off-topic.



* Given Leisure Books published fiction by such noted scribes as Barry Malzberg, J. N. Williamson and Kate Wilhelm, this is hardly a fair description of the publisher.

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Residents Fan
11/10/2017 12:46:00 pm

Should be:
"I have never read any of Keene's fiction. He may well be every bit as bad as Seabury Quinn, Guy N. Smith or Shaun Hutson."

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Residents Fan
11/11/2017 04:35:00 pm

Also should be:
"Joshi attacks the idea of a benign deity WHO would permit evil-which is out of place in an assessment of a Keene's literary merit"

Jim
11/10/2017 01:20:00 pm

Maize in the pyramids ? That's gotta be the Templars, no ?
Most likely put there by de, also known as Ponce de Leon. There are unknown gaps in his history where he easily could have brought some corn from the Americas to the pyramids.

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Americanegro
11/10/2017 02:09:51 pm

Where I live all those shows are on all the time in reruns.

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Clete
11/10/2017 05:37:03 pm

I have noticed the same thing fringe type shows seem not to show up any longer except as reruns. My conclusion is that they were a fad and like a lot of fads they gradually become less and less interesting.

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Henry
11/10/2017 07:58:42 pm

63 percent copy paste. Keep rewriting what earlier sceptics wrote an present it as your own original work.

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Americanegro
11/10/2017 08:07:18 pm

A suspiciously specific figure, don't you think?

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Henry
11/10/2017 08:17:24 pm

It’s 63 percent of this entry my friend!

Weatherwax
11/10/2017 08:28:48 pm

Kindly enlighten us as to which parts are copy/ pasted without attribution, and from where?

Henry
11/10/2017 08:37:33 pm

Kindly explain why you are lying by twisting my words.

Americanegro
11/10/2017 09:19:23 pm

So tell us exactly which parts were plagiarized, won't you?

To help you along, it's not plagiarism if you use quote marks or block indent and identify the source. And copy paste is how you do that. Like this:

"Keep rewriting what earlier sceptics wrote an present it as your own original work."

What earlier skeptics in what earlier works? Be specific.

And when you did the math, were you counting words, letters, inches, space aliens?

Henry
11/10/2017 09:45:15 pm

I suggest you blogtards do the math and stop lying by twisting my words. You are making this a hate blog of sci-supremicists.you already admitted the hate blog part.

Americanegro
11/11/2017 01:07:56 am


"Keep rewriting what earlier sceptics wrote an present it as your own original work."

What earlier skeptics in what earlier works? Be specific.

And when you did the math, were you counting words, letters, inches, space aliens?

Weatherwax
11/11/2017 01:34:34 am

Just a belligerent drunk, then. As I suspected.

Not being hateful. Just stating the obvious.

Americanegro
11/11/2017 02:00:02 pm

I'm sticking with mental illness diagnosis based on the ability to hit only one note.

Tom mellett
11/10/2017 08:02:37 pm

Well, Jason, as a needed change of pace for you away from fringe history, how about investigating a cult that is in your own hometown of Albany! Hell’s Nazi Bells, you and Keith Raniere might be neighbors! Got Nxivm?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html

Since the late 1990s, an estimated 16,000 people have enrolled in courses offered by Nxivm (pronounced Nex-e-um), which it says are designed to bring about greater self-fulfillment by eliminating psychological and emotional barriers. Most participants take some workshops, like the group’s “Executive Success Programs,” and resume their lives. But other people have become drawn more deeply into Nxivm, giving up careers, friends and families to become followers of its leader, Keith Raniere, who is known within the group as “Vanguard.”

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Jason Colavito link
11/11/2017 06:23:51 am

Don't think I don't know it's right here. The cult's second leader is said to be Allison Mack, the co-star of Smallville, who allegedly recruits the women and engages with them in bizarre BDSM spanking rituals.

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Tom mellett
11/11/2017 06:30:14 pm

Whoa, Jason! You’re up to speed on Alison Mack, yet all you object to is some BDSM spanking? Have you not read about Alison and many other women getting their pussy-proximal areas branded like cattle with Keith Raniere’s initials?

Time for some tabloid news from the UK Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4875033/hollywood-actress-allison-mack-brainwashed-into-recruiting-up-to-25-women-into-the-terrifying-nxivm-slave-cult-where-they-are-beaten-and-branded/

And I pointedly give a link to your own Albany Times Union which reports on Megyn Kelly’s Nov. 2 interview with Catherine Oxenberg who wants to free her daughter India from the KR cult.
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/TV-actress-Catherine-Oxenberg-discusses-daughter-12326246.php

Anyway, this explosion now is a consequence of the Weinstein MeToo Tsunami crashing up against NXIVM in your front yard, but I’d like to push beyond that now in order to get back on topic and possibly interest you in “following the Bronfman money” which heavily finances KR & NXIVM, but also may be supporting aspects of Tom deLonge’s juggernaut.

I first heard of NXIVM 6 years ago and felt much chagrin when I found out that Keith Raniere was an alumnus of RPI (me class of ’70, him ’82)

But then I read this 2011 Vanity Fair article about the Bronfman sisters and realized that their aunt Barbara Bronfman had put up bail for Ira Einhorn in 1979 allowing him to flee the country and go on the lam for 17 years before he was finally found in France. Before Einhorn had murdered his girl friend Holly Maddux, he was quite the New Age figure involved with some of the people who belong to Tom deLonge’s To the Stars Academy, most notably physicist Hal Puthoff who had developed the Remote Viewing project in 1972 at SRI out of his experience as a Scientologist. Yes, the same Men Who Stare At Goats involved in the CIA and DIA. More details if you like.

https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2010/11/bronfman-201011

Asking For a Friend
11/11/2017 11:22:01 pm

Bronfman? Einhorn? Innnnnnnteresting.

Kal
11/10/2017 08:12:22 pm

"she ejaculated in Italian, but she talked in English"

That is an interesting feat for someone lacking that said anatomy, as 'ejaculate' is not something she could do.

Darn auto correct, aye?

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BigNick
11/10/2017 08:38:00 pm

To say suddenly or vehemently. !Dios mio!

Female ejaculation is also a thing.

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Eric Plumrose
11/15/2017 03:11:23 pm

Not according to the BBFC!

Mike
11/16/2017 06:37:07 pm

Nah, ejaculate at the time meant something different. More like exclamation. Read some of the original Sherlock Holmes stories, Watson ejaculated all over the place.

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Americanegro
11/18/2017 08:06:44 pm

The meaning hasn't changed. It just means "throwing out". And urinary incontinence is not ejaculation.

Only Me
11/10/2017 08:55:16 pm

It isn't just the media that's lost interest. During the glut of fringe themed shows, it became obvious all of them were formulaic. Hype an episode, visit exotic locales, talk to believers of alternative claims, make incredible conclusions based on leaps of logic then fail to produce anything of substance related to the investigation. Repeat every episode for the season. If popular enough, recycle material from previous episodes/seasons to justify another season.

I'm not surprised you're running out of topics. It's not like the fringe hasn't been recycling the same tired bull for too long.

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John Prentice
11/11/2017 02:11:29 pm

"'I'm not surprised you're running out of topics. It's not like the fringe hasn't been recycling the same tired bull for too long."

Maybe Jason could go back to reviewing horror fiction again?

Or he could try writing about crime fiction or science fiction instead. Certainly there's a crossover with pseudo-science in those areas (Conan Doyle and the "Fairies"!" L. Ron Hubbard! The Shaver Mystery !)

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Riley V
11/11/2017 05:05:47 am

I suggest you cut back your posts to 3-4 per week. I (and many others) would miss you. Yet we know you have a new baby. The first one always takes up more time than people expect.

I like Mr. Mellett’s idea about investigating the local fringe.

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AAA
11/11/2017 08:11:02 am

By now all sensible people believe in the existence of aliens and hence the decline of such shows. Nothing to prove any more.

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John Prentice
11/11/2017 02:07:14 pm

Residents- I suspect the real reason Joshi attacked Keene's work is because Keene hosts a podcast which frequently mocks Joshi (and other figures in the horror world). Joshi's "overview" of Keene's work is not literary criticism or satire, but simply journalism as punishment.

" there are problems with Joshi's article, as when he sinks into his lazy misanthropy: "A fair number of his books have been published by Leisure Books, a firm that habitually churns out pablum of all sorts for the great unwashed."* "

I thought the contempt of S. T. Joshi for people in the mass was fairly well known. The introduction to his book
"God's Defenders" asks why the majority of humans believe in religion, and goes on to say:

"To my mind, the answer can be summed up in one straightforward sentence: People are stupid. The fundamental fact of human history is that people in the mass are irremediably ignorant...I will go further and state that, even if the mass of people had the concrete information (in science and philosophy) required for an assessment of the truth-claims of religion, they would be unable to process it; their brains simply cannot digest this kind of information."

Which is a legitimate (if problematic) argument, but it does puzzle me why then Joshi identifies as a political liberal. Surely, if people are so irredeemably stupid, what is the point of supporting and campaigning for liberal politics and parties, when the people are "irredeemably ignorant?" Surely Joshi should abstain from commenting on politics a la Robinson Jeffers, or support the spiritual descendants of H. L. Mencken's brand of anti-democratic capitalism, such as
Hans-Hermann Hoppe ?

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Residents Fan
11/11/2017 07:16:28 pm

"Residents- I suspect the real reason Joshi attacked Keene's work is because Keene hosts a podcast which frequently mocks Joshi (and other figures in the horror world)."

Interesting.

Joshi has a book about politics, "The Stupidity Watch: An Atheist Speaks Out on Religion and Politics".

I have not read the whole book, (so it may be good or bad) but one from the Amazon "Search Inside!" section makes me question his knowledge of UK politics. Discussing Brexit, he says:

"The British Working Classes are openly, unabashedly and proudly racist and xenophobic...Jermyn Corbyn, the Bernie Sanders of England. This fellow...is now in deep trouble for his less-than-enthusiastic support for the Remain campaign. If the Labour Party has any sense, it will discard this decrepit socialist for someone who actually has some chance of challenging the Tories for the prime ministership at the next election".

This would be the same Jeremy Corbyn who won 40% in the June 2017 UK Election on a socialist and anti-racist campaign,+
with support from young students, ethnic minorities, and also the "British Working Classes" who Joshi insists are all bigoted
jingoists. If the British Labour Party had followed Joshi's advice,
and removed this " this decrepit socialist" from the leadership, they would have probably suffered a huge defeat and left those same UK working classes at the mercy of the Pro-Brexit Tories.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/ethnic-minority-vote-general-election-labour-jeremy-corbyn-racial-faultlines-anti-immigration-a7791101.html

+Corbyn's campaign largely avoided mentioning Brexit, which won over some Brexit supporters to the Labour Party.

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