I have an interesting archival discovery for you today, a piece of gigantology history that so far as I can tell never made it into the fringe history books. My discovery of it came through a somewhat circuitous path involving research into fossil bones and their interpretation as the remains of giants. Anyway, this led me to the 1842 Quæstiones Mosaicæ, a volume that attempted to compare the Mosaic account of Genesis with what was then known of ancient history and religion. The volume in question was written by Osmond de Beauvoir Priaulx, who was an important figure in Victorian times but remembered chiefly for being dull. If he is recalled at all today, it is mostly as the founder of the Priaulx Library of Guernsey. Anyway, in life he was apparently friends with members of Charles Darwin’s family and with the novelist Thackeray. He and his wife would hold spiritualist séances, though he personally disbelieved in spirits. In his book, he wanted to investigate the ancient world without the dogma of religion or the anti-religious extremism of the rationalists, and to that end he tried to explicate each verse. When he came to the famous passage of Genesis 6:1-4, when the fallen angels and the giants make their appearance, he tried to determine whether there really were giants in the earth in those days and whether these giants (the Nephilim) could be said to constitute a race. He provides as evidence the usual ancient sources about big bones dug out of the earth, and he correctly concludes that “all such bones have, when submitted to scientific examination, been found to be the bones, not of men, but of some of those great primitive monsters who were the earth’s first inhabitants.” In so doing he cites a very interesting passage I had never seen before (but should have—more on that anon) from the third volume of the Jesuit scholar Giovanni Stefano Menochio’s Il Stuore, published posthumously in 1662, as best I can tell. Priaulx gives the passage only in brief summary and then appends the original Italian as a footnote. I have translated it as best I can, but it’s seventeenth century Italian, so it’s a little outside my usual language areas. The events described concern an Italian named Girolamo Maggi(o) (a.k.a. Hieronymus Magius) who our Jesuit scholar claims was taken prisoner by the Turks under Hasan Pasha, the son of the great admiral Hayreddin Barbarossa: (Girolamo) Maggio found himself in the year 1559 a prisoner in Africa, where he saw the head of a giant, which two Spanish slaves uncovered with a plow in a cavity, and they disinterred it and carried news of the thing, along with the tributes of many people, to Assano (Hasan Pasha), son of (Hayreddin) Barbarossa, with the hope of obtaining their freedom by presenting him with this curiosity; but this the barbarian would not grant, and he only gave them five Unghari for it. This head had a circumference of eleven palms, and those Spanish slaves reported that in the place where they had found the cavity containing the skull, there were likewise other bones of that body of a size corresponding to the head. The Unghari is presumably the Hungarian ducat, frequently used as coinage by the Turks, though I can’t be sure. I hope he didn’t pay them in actual Hungarians. But as it happens, this Italian text isn’t the original, even though it’s the only one quoted directly in apparently all of the literature on giants. I should, though, have recognized it, as we shall see below. The original can be found in Hieronymus Magius’s Variarum Lectionum (1.4), where it is a little different. The translation, I believe the first into English, is my own. I think it should be right, but sometimes a long string of subjunctives screws me up: Melchior Guilandinus Borossus, my friend, a man with absolute knowledge of all disciplines, and of all the plants and fossils, and other things which are pertinent to the teachings of medicine, and of the first principles of our age, a few days ago was conversing with me on all manner of things, and among these, mention was made of Giants. He told me himself that during the year 1559, when he was taken captive in Africa, he saw the skull of Julius Caesar, appearing in size as that of a Giant, which two Spanish prisoners had unearthed in plowing the land, dug out of the ground, and brought to King Hasan, son of Hayreddin Barbarossa, as a wonder and therefore sought their freedom, along with a very large crowd, whose hopes, however, were disappointed when the Barbarian king, entirely an amousos (cretin) and no more enthusiastic about antiquity, feigning admiration, ordered them paid five Venetian aurei (ducats) apiece in place of the freedom they sought. The circumference of the skull was eleven spans, the same as he had been told by the Spaniards themselves when he had quickly and diligently investigated the thing and heard that in the same place where the skull was found, the rest of the marvelous bones of the body, similar in proportion and of great size, yet remained. Notice the key difference: In the original, the skull wasn’t meant to purchase freedom but rather was held up as the head of Caesar, a talisman for a slave revolt. Melchior Wieland (Guilandinus) was a physician and botanist. He was held captive in Algeria until a wealthy Italian paid his ransom. He returned to Italy in 1561 and became director of a botanical garden in Padua.
If anyone cares, the Venetian ducat (the dialect term apparently rendered as a Classical aureus in neo-Latin) was the same weight and value as the Hungarian ducat. When the Jesuit author retold the account a century later, the Hungarian coin, backed by the Holy Roman Emperor, had become the standard unit against which others were measured. I presume that accounts for the odd translation of aurei as Unghari. Barbarossa was the admiral who attacked Lepanto in 1571, sparking the claim that a pillar of fire had signaled his defeat, a story later used as a supposed UFO sighting in Wonders in the Sky. If Maggi’s name sounds familiar (as it should have to me), it’s because he and his tale of a giant skull were cited by Sir Hans Sloane in 1728, in the first ever scientific inquiry into the fossil elephants that gave rise to such claims. Sloane gave his name in Latin, which is why it didn’t ring a bell with me, and Sloane also got the citation wrong or else used an edition where the chapters were numbered differently. Maggi, who believed giants really existed, was skeptical of some claims of giants. He had concluded that the large tooth St. Augustine claimed was that of a giant (City of God 15.9) was really that of an elephant. He did, however, think that the fossil shoulder blade displayed in Venice as that of St. Christopher really was that a of a giant. (St. Christopher was later declared to be a myth.) Anyway, Maggi’s testimony is interesting because it suggests that the Turks, who were Muslims and thus lacked a strong tradition of Nephilim-Giants, weren’t impressed by giants, classical or biblical; indeed, Maggi says as much in calling Hasan Pasha a cretin in Greek. But it also speaks toward Europeans’ mindsets at the time, and their deep belief in degeneration theory and ancient giants. We know that the skull of “Caesar” wasn’t likely to be what it was claimed to be, first because Caesar was cremated in Italy and shouldn’t have had a body buried near Tunis, and second, because the place where the skull was uncovered is near to the site where Augustine’s tooth emerged and where dwarf elephant fossils have been found for centuries.
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busterggi (Bob Jase)
10/26/2015 01:38:25 pm
"We know that the skull of “Caesar” wasn’t likely to be what it was claimed to be, first because Caesar was cremated in Italy and shouldn’t have had a body buried near Tunis, "
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Pam
10/26/2015 04:05:14 pm
Jason,
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Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 04:18:19 pm
You know your church calendar.
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Pam
10/26/2015 04:22:27 pm
*sigh*
Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 04:33:13 pm
Come off it, you wanted to rubbish historical facts. Now we know why.
V
10/26/2015 05:48:48 pm
And? Pam gave LEGITIMATE historical fact, unlike you--that St. Christopher was removed from the calendar but not "de-sainted" by the Church. That is legitimate AND connected to Jason's post, unlike your Freemason conspiracy crap that is quite literally impossible.
Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 05:54:57 pm
The Grand Master of the Grand Orient met the President of the Assemblee Nationale because they were concerned about Sarkozy's sympathies towards the Catholic Church.
tm
10/26/2015 07:47:36 pm
Dull witted, anal-retentive, insipid clowns who perseverate. Yawn...
Clint Knapp
10/26/2015 10:08:05 pm
She wanted to clarify a point she had knowledge of, and did so quite matter-of-factly. In two small paragraphs she added more to a conversation here than you have since showing up.
Nobody Knows
10/27/2015 04:35:28 am
Still got this irrational rubbish
tm
10/27/2015 10:58:14 am
Glad to see that you're finally developing self awareness. Yawn...
Nobody Knows
10/27/2015 09:10:46 pm
Hey tm, you're never gonna get a life, too busy being conceited.
tm
10/28/2015 12:24:07 am
Delusional insipid clown. Yawn.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/26/2015 04:27:09 pm
Little ironic that anyone would use "Caesar's" skull to inspire a slave rebellion; given his role in the Servile War, that'd be like a slave rebellion using a bust of Jeff Davis.
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Nobody Knows
10/26/2015 04:31:42 pm
Indeed.
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Pam
10/26/2015 05:02:26 pm
Maybe as an oblique reference to just that? A reminder of others, like Spartacus, who had rebelled.
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10/26/2015 05:29:06 pm
Keep in mind that it was the 1500s. I think the dominant theme was probably "Romans conquered Africa, took barbarians as slaves; therefore, let's be like the Romans."
V
10/26/2015 05:50:10 pm
"let's be like the Romans"
Pam
10/26/2015 06:02:03 pm
Okay. I can see that being a better fit for the time. Thanks for the clarification.
John
10/27/2015 09:26:23 am
you can't believe the movies. Caesar was not involved in the Servile War against Spartacus. for most of the time he was in the east. The name Caesar, originally meaning white haired or elephant (an ancestor supposedly brought the first elephant back to Rome) by 100 AD meant emperor or the current emperor. The Romans were hardly xenophobic. Their empire was the original melting pot, meshing local customs with Roman government and military professionalism. And they were no more bloodthirsty than any other ancient peoples. Their biggest flaw in the imperial period was a lack of clear succession. Overall the servile system, which was not based on race, was eventually a big problem but slaves could become freedman and citizens and many ex-slave became very influential later on.
Shane Sullivan
10/27/2015 01:08:12 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/27/2015 07:59:17 pm
Okay, if you're going to lecture on Caesar, let's lecture on Caesar.
Shane Sullivan
10/27/2015 08:14:28 pm
Sorry, I meant to put that link below John's post below about the Roanoke show.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/27/2015 09:48:40 pm
Oh, for crying... Caesar and CRASSUS later in life. Caesar and Sulla seems a touch unlikely, what with the latter being dead, never mind their political differences.
Only Me
10/26/2015 06:40:14 pm
These recent posts about giants reminded me of an observation someone else made, which I saved.
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Pam
10/26/2015 06:43:12 pm
I'm saving this, it's great!
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Only Me
10/26/2015 06:51:31 pm
Go for it! You can even swap "giants" for whatever fringe du jour (Nephilim, aliens, Bigfoot, etc.) and it works out the same. 10/26/2015 07:15:06 pm
That sounds like it was modeled on the apocryphal claim of Caliph Omar that the Quran is the only acceptable book and all others should be burned. “If these books agree with the Koran, they are useless; if they disagree, they are pernicious: in either case, they ought to be destroyed.”
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Only Me
10/26/2015 07:40:21 pm
That's possible. I honestly don't remember where I found it, but I'm glad I saved it.
An Over-Educated Grunt
10/26/2015 09:35:17 pm
Wasn't that quote itself supposedly attributed even before Omar to Christians in Alexandria?
Nobody Knows
10/27/2015 04:45:54 am
John
10/27/2015 09:09:50 am
watched the Roanoke show last night because I am interested in the subject. Since it was on the "History" channel I foolishly thought it would be thought it would be historical. But it is really an extension of the Scott Wohler episode on the same subject which centered on the Dare Stone hoax. The show brought in two "stonecutters" as experts. When I looked them up on line it turns out they are fringe theorists who believe in a race of Giants and have sparred with you Jason in the past. While some reputable scholars think the first Dare Stone may be authentic (and that is a big if since they don't know exactly where it was found and it was in the opposite general direction from CROATAN island cited in the inscription at Roanoke). The other 40+ stones were found by one guy who got a reward for each one. I fell asleep before the end but I presumed the Gianthunters were going to claim the fakes were real as did Wohler. Hope you discuss this.
Nobody Knows
10/27/2015 04:44:54 am
The quote was lifted from Graham's post found here:
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10/27/2015 04:21:02 am
Longtime online classicist Roger Pearse did a little digging into the Islam vs. Library of Alexandria question a few years back. Here's one of his several blog entries on the topic:
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DaveR
10/27/2015 08:12:39 am
So the alleged giant skull was either reported by a Jesuit priest, therefor proving the bible is fact, or it was the skull of Julius Caesar, who now turns out to be a giant.
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