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A Personal Response to Philip Coppens' Blog Post Attacking Me as an Ignorant "Zealot"

10/26/2012

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Get this: I—despite having only this blog as a forum—have annoyed Ancient Aliens star Philip Coppens enough that he deigned to blast me on his blog yesterday, and in flattering terms! He discusses me after complaining that Ancient Aliens Debunked filmmaker Chris White had the gall to respond to Coppens’ criticism of him after Coppens had specifically insisted that any such rebuttal was inappropriate, offensive, and “blablabla.” Coppens, you will recall, previously stated that he would no longer respond to criticism because he considered it an effort to goad him into personality-driven conflict, which is beneath him. That lasted a week:

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[Chris] White and other skeptics, like Jason Colavito, the latter who [sic] seems to be vying for the crown of James Randi, are great masters at searching sources briefly and feel that any material they find is perfect to “expose” the alternative hypothesis as faulty.

Well, that is what happens when all the facts you use are wrong. The superstructure erected atop those false facts fails if all the supports are faulty. There is no point in talking about how lovely the tablecloth is when the legs are being sawn out from underneath your table. I fully cop to examining the ancient astronaut theory one claim at a time to show which claims are wrong (so far all of them). If you have no facts, all you have left is an emotional appeal to what “feels” right to you.

But I also resent the idea that I search sources “briefly.” Unlike Philip Coppens, who demonstrably has no experience with most primary sources and relies mainly on secondary works, I have read the primary sources, at great length, often in the original languages. I have also translated many of these works when they are not available in English to lay bare the sources used for the ancient alien “theory.” To dismiss all this as “brief” web searches is a pernicious misstatement (seriously: check my Library and see if this is a “brief” web search), and entirely typical of Coppens’ rhetorical strategy of deceptively and dismissively minimizing the knowledge of his critics while the emperor himself has no clothes.

In his blog post, which was put up on his website yesterday, Coppens routinely employs the tropes of conspiracy fiction to imply (or directly state) a widespread, purposeful, and evil attempt on the part of “Academic Science” to rewrite history in service of a nefarious elite. This, presumably, is not in Coppens’ mind either offensive or inappropriate despite, as he pointed out to me, the fact that one cannot know the inner workings of others’ minds. Instead, we have one standard for Philip Coppens and his work, and another standard for everyone else.

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…elements of “Academic Science” have become the new inquisition: everyone who offers a diverging opinion about a subject and strays from “the accepted norm” is labeled a heretic and hunted down, by a small group of inquisitors, modernly labeled skeptics.

Now why is it that Coppens feels no compunction about critiquing me, Chris White, and Doug Heller in conspiratorial, apocalyptic terms but feels that any critique of Philip Coppens comes from a place of hate? Consider this: I will link to Coppens’ work, quote from it, and even publish his rebuttals to me so readers can judge for themselves. Coppens won’t tell his readers anything about my critiques of him, or even link directly to me.

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It merely reveals their lack of maturity in holding a debate and pretty much their ignorance of the subject matter. But specifically, what typifies them is a certain type of crusading zeal – which is why the best comparison to draw is with the inquisition. They go after those that stray from the path and are labeled heretics. In their eyes, I am indeed a heretic. We are ignorant, and out to deceive. Indeed, they truly believe, like the inquisitors of medieval times, that we are out to ensnare poor souls for evil purposes. The fact that I have long hair and am left-handed might actually – in their eyes – be the conclusive evidence I am in league with the devil.

I will return to the “debate” assertion momentarily. But first: I don’t believe he is out to “deceive” for “evil purposes.” I think that he and his colleagues are wrong, and I think that they are aware of the rhetorical shortcuts they use and the factual errors and logical fallacies they employ in making their case. If they are not, then they are much poorer writers and researchers than even I given them credit for. He might also note that, like him, I too am left-handed (the horror!), though sadly, my thinning hair will not stand growing it out to the lengths of Coppens or Giorgio Tsoukalos.

Coppens does not understand much of how science—or historiography for that matter—work. He mistakes the act of criticism (and, yes, even the opposition of staunch defenders of particular points of view) for suppression of other ideas. But history isn’t a zero-sum game. New ideas contribute to the conversation about the past, but it is the act of criticism, of examining what evidence withstands scrutiny, that sharpens ideas to fine points, discards bad ideas, and drives knowledge forward. This is why he is so angry about Chris White’s rebuttal to Coppens’ attack on White’s Ancient Aliens Debunked that Coppens violated his own promise to drop the matter to post even more complaints about how evil skeptics are trying to disprove him point for point. 

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In usual skeptoid [sic] fashion, such replies are made within 24 hours and are more intent to continue a tit-for-tat debate than a well-balanced dialogue.

Now, I’m not sure what the purpose of that sentence is, but here we have crossed from science into rhetoric, which is Coppens' apparent area of true interest. What is a “well-balanced dialogue” if it does not address in equal measure the points of the opposing advocate? Apparently, “well-balanced” means only that one must agree with Coppens on at least some points to prove that the conversation is moving forward. (No such concessions are required of Coppens, in his opinion.) But the ancient alien question is not a Marxist dialectic. Thesis plus antithesis does not automatically generate a new synthesis. Science is not like rhetoric or politics; you do not simply take the most extreme position in the hope that your opponent will compromise enough to nudge the political center slightly your way. Facts don’t work like political compromises. They aren’t opinions. Science is not a debate; it is a method of inquiry.

This is essential to understand, and I cannot stress this enough. Coppens calls me and other skeptics “zealots” for refusing to compromise on the truth, for examining evidence against known facts, and for refusing to accept emotion and speculation for science. He does this because he cannot understand that science is not rhetoric, that knowledge is not the product of the weight of opinion dragging some fictive “accepted” truth back and forth across an imaginary goal line like a tug of war. Nor, for that matter, is a criticism of his ideas an attempt to destroy him as a human being. As I’ve said before, I’m sure he’s a lovely and charming man in person, but I believe he is flat out wrong about his ideas, and overly-reliant on secondary sources in his books.

Coppens flatters me, however, by failing to do the “Google searches” he recommends for me to educate myself on his pet issues: “Yet, [Doug] Weller, Colavito and others believe they are the ones protecting science from evil intrusions and feel they are the proper scientists and defenders of science. They are, alas, the new inquisition.”

Let me end by addressing Mr. Coppens directly:

A simple Google search, Mr. Coppens, will reveal that I am no scientist. (Here, let me help you since you didn't bother.) My training—just like yours—is in journalism. (My degree was actually a dual major in journalism and anthropology/archaeology.) My books—just like yours—are works of journalism and criticism. My work includes—just like yours—ghostwritten and edited volumes for others (like you, both fiction and nonfiction), original research, and criticism. Like you, I have also published fiction in addition to nonfiction. Like you I have also investigated ancient history, but unlike you I have generated new knowledge in so doing.

Unlike you, I’ve never run a magazine, but like you I’ve also been published internationally in foreign-language publications. While you mention in you biography being discussed in several books, I too have been cited and discussed in many volumes—and scholarly papers and dissertations—by others; and, while you have appeared on many TV shows, I have provided research assistance to help shape several cable TV documentaries.

As I previously mentioned, I’m not “ignorant” of the subject matter, as you accuse me of being. I have read more widely and deeply in ancient history than you ever will. As I said, I even translate sources that aren’t available to make plain the shaky foundations upon which your hypothesis quakes. I have visited “mystery” sites (like America’s Stonehenge) and found no alien evidence. I have an undergraduate degree in archaeology/anthropology and have actually gone out and dug stuff up.

Now, if all that doesn’t qualify me to talk about ancient history, pray tell, what qualifies you? I have always said (and you can Google this to find out) that the past belongs to all of us, even you, Mr. Coppens. Everyone has the right to read, write, and think about our history and heritage. If you disagree with me, let it be on facts, not insults; evidence, not invective; and logic, not rhetoric.* But if you want to tell me to shut up because I’m ignorant and unqualified, I have only two words to say to you:

You first.



* Confidential to Philip Coppens: I’ve also read both Aristotle’s Rhetoric and the works of Cicero (in Latin), and I used to be on the debate team, so it’s probably not a great idea to try to outduel me using nothing but rhetoric.


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Mike Heiser link
10/26/2012 10:54:08 am

Jason

I feel left out <sniff> but I guess I have my own hate mail to comfort me.

You missed a good opportunity for a "trope-a-dope" line in your post. Maybe next time.

And the last thing we need is more of that there "academic science" - yeesh!

Serious, it's amazing how the presence of any sort of (un)equal time on this ancient alien nonsense is viewed as persecution.

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Jason Colavito link
10/26/2012 10:59:27 am

It is interesting that the critics of Ancient Aliens Debunked aren't as upset about you... and you actually APPEARED in the documentary!

What really gets me is that Coppens has decided to keep on attacking me despite my evident uninterest in his secondhand "reporting" of other people's ideas. As my blog archive shows, I barely mentioned him until I made one post about his claim Imhotep got help from aliens. Had he just let it go, I'd have gone right on ignoring him and he could happily be selling books with no one any the wiser. Hey, it's good publicity for me anyway.

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terry the censor
10/27/2012 08:17:07 pm

I find it amusing that in every fringe science community, fact-checking is equated with denialism.

Fringe believers don't like facts, they like stories.

Ancient Alien History
9/18/2015 03:02:59 pm

..I have no ideal why you watch the show. It is obvious that you have enough material on the theory. Why the need to quote a television show. As you know. Whatever the documentary is, when it is made for television. Writers are paid to add hype. It's a television show and to quote something from T.V doesn't makes sense unless you need it to justify your rebuttals or criticism.. Wait a minute..Do you have a direct problem with a TV show or the theory or the people who theorize it. Hmm. I wonder what the definition of a theory is. What TV show will you be rating next. Bigfoot or Honey booboo. Alright Ebert! two thumbs down.

Tara Jordan
10/27/2012 12:29:09 am

Interestingly enough I experienced something very similar from yet another professional "Ancient Aliens" con artist,Mike Bara, because I had the audacity to debunk his pile of garbage. At least Philip Coppens should be grateful to you,since you are approaching & debunking his lamentable "researches" in a very respectful manner.Giorgio Tsoukalos,Philip Coppens & the rest of the Ancient Aliens charlatans brigade are nothing but a bunch of crooks and liars.There's nothing to all this Ancient Aliens business but deplorable pseudo-history, extravagant haircut, over-inflated egos & quick bucks

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Ancient Alien History
9/18/2015 03:10:45 pm

Philip Coppens could not have thanked you because he died before your post. Go pay some respects to his widower on Facebook. It is funny how that term debunked is relatively a new one. It was never used as a term for debate because it is too definitive. You debunked Mike Bara. Now I definitely know that you didn't offend him, judging on his character. But you're probably still be feeling his.

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7/16/2013 11:39:24 pm

Jason thank you for your strong position that is unlike the ones that light history in restricted way for masses. It is obvious that Coppens routinely employs the tropes of conspiracy fiction to imply evil attempt on the part of “Academic Science” to rewrite history in service of a nefarious elite....they think they can do this. Hope God there are true writers like you who has an independent view for all the events and theories in history.

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8/21/2014 01:36:42 am

sorry i see so much anger ... paradigm shifts are hard ... truth is biblical descriptions sound quite wacko compared to rational interpretations ... and frankly i think Phillip Coppens easily takes apart Jason and before that Chris arguments... 'debatable evidence' is there, sorry, it is. ... something happened ... ... what?, no, we don't know ... but if Ezequiel came to you today or Constantine and said ... hey i saw this fella in a chariot vessel of some kind flying about and he stepped out of a dragon or whatever, you would say ... no brother .. that wasn't a cross in the sky you saw, that was an airplane. i'm an attorney, this means nothing here, but i see one side trying really hard (the dunkers) too hard. fact is there is a debate because the evidence is damn interesting and for the most part quite real. now what it means usually is argued the loudest by those minds most closed, unready for the world not to be flat ... remember to entertain a thought and debate it with does not require acceptance.. the utter quickness to be conclusory by the debunkers here is telling to me ... i think the next 50 years will see a new paradigm emerge where rational interpretation of origin stories takes hold based on shared knowledge and science. there is too much there to refute something fishy... or should i say insecty ;) happened. we like a neat tight 'bible' story don't we. a new paradigm requires you to grow an ability to be okay with knowing some things and learning others along the way of discovery .. yet also being okay with not jumping to either side with particular 'facts' as you continue to be 'non-conclusory' and stay open to taking in both sides - this is the only way to the truth. Chris White is definitely NOT doing that... and as such hurts his own efforts .. misguided as they may be.

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3/21/2015 03:27:39 am

Sorry, but I don't believe you are an attorney... You don't write like an attorney, or reason like one, in my oppinion.

Paradigm shifts are not difficult if there is sufficient evidence, this why shifts happen.

What bothers me, however, that the term paradigm shift is overused, quite often in a manipulative way, on the side of fringe theorists.And flat earth example is a really weak one, by the way, and is overused too.

Paradigms existed, or exist for a reason: they offer good and reasonable explanation, until a better explanation is created.

And along the paradigms there were always theories loudly propagated by those whose lack of reasoning, plus often inflated egos lead them to believe they came with something really world shaking. Did the disciples of such prophets of nonsense had sense they participate in something very elitist, what the others were not fortunate to know, some kind of elite semi secret knowledge? Very likely, judging from sources written by them. Most of those supposedly great thinking didn't even become a foot note in history of ideas. Because there was not enough logic and facts to support it.

For ex. the idea of Vril was all rage, lie AA today, didn't create a paradigm shift, and who is interested in those ideas today?

If the followers of ancient alien theorists feel this is great, because they are the great new avant garde of a paradigm shift, good for them, because it can be a great thing for confidence building, but after 50 years when their theories don't replace ever growing body of knowledge, they may stay as disgruntled and distrusting as today.

" yet also being okay with not jumping to either side with particular 'facts' as you continue to be 'non-conclusory' and stay open to taking in both sides - this is the only way to the truth." This applies very much to proponents of AA theories, because you write so much about psychology. Proponents of AA theories I don't find open minded at all, rather quite hostile at sligth attempt at rational criticism. And their avoidance of fact checking in unusual, also their reliance reliance on belief. Like with the Vril story and others which didn't make to become a foot note in history of ideas. And this is telling to me.

As for paradigm shifts: people are more open minded than you are willing to give them credit for, and are willing to change their views if presented with rational evidence and facts. So far AA theorists never managed to produce that. Good stories are good stories, but sophisticated gossip doesn't make good science, facts make good science.

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/b-list-fallacies

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          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
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          • W. Scott-Elliot >
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          • Fossils and the Supernatural
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          • Man During the Stone Age
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          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
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        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
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        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
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        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
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        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
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        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
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        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
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        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
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        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
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        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
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        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
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      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
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        • The Moon Hoax
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        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
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      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
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      • The Coming Race
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      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
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      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
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        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
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      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
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      • James Dean's Scrapbook
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      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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