This week H2 has been running a promotional spot for a rerun of Ancient Aliens (S03E05) in which Giorgio Tsoukalos rhapsodizes about the way an Amazonian cult outfit (below right) looks so much like an "astronaut suit" (below left) that it must be proof that the aliens visited: I don't see it. There is no oxygen pack, for one thing. Among other things this looks is: 1. A beekeeper. 2. An old-timey scuba-diver. 3. The Venus of Willendorf Or, you know, anyone who's fat. This particular straw man (literally, I guess) is the Kayapo tribe's revered and feared shaman Bep Kororot. In The Gold of the Gods (1973), Erich von Daniken made a big (and racist) deal of how the suits worn by the "wild Indians" resembled astronauts' suits even as far back as 1952, "At a time when the clothing and equipment of astronauts was still not familiar to all us Europeans, let along these wild Indians!" (pp.144-146). Von Daniken then quotes the legend of Bep Kororot as told by Joao Americo Peret, who had already expressed sympathy for the ancient astronaut theory before relating the story to von Daniken and therefore had every reason to subtly shade the tale to make it sound as though this were an extraterrestrial being who descended from the sky. This is what Peret said in the 1970s, when talking with von Daniken:
The funny thing, of course, is that old Von Daniken presented this as though it was his own discovery. But this figure was well known to Claude Levi-Strauss, who reported on him in The Raw and the Cooked (1983), using anthropological reports collected years earlier. In standard anthropological reports, Bep Kororoti is correctly identified not as an ancient astronaut but as a human being, a deceased shaman who exercises spiritual power from beyond the grave. It would be a bit difficult for an alien wearing a spacesuit--one who does not breathe oxygen--to have mated with earth women and produced children, as Bep Kororoti did. Surely even the "wild Indians" would have noticed if one of their number were another species and unable to breathe air. Most importantly, Bep Kororoti is the protector of bees in Kayapo myth. That's the real reason for the suit. As I mentioned above, it looks like a beekeeper's suit because it is: it represents the beekeeping ancestor spirit.
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Brett Allen
2/19/2013 07:51:43 pm
You left out a pertinent fact from your article... Bep-kororoti actually, means "from space." Kind of makes ya wonder, huh?
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2/19/2013 10:37:05 pm
That's what Erich von Daniken says, but I have not been able to confirm that in the anthropological literature. I don't trust von Daniken as far as I can throw him. According to Claude Lévi-Strauss, his name refers to the sky only in the sense that he personified storms, which come from the sky.
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fin
7/21/2013 12:23:46 pm
YOU SUCK MEN! BIIIGGG TIIMMEEE!!!
Huey
10/28/2019 12:22:12 am
Everyone has an opinion.. but just because the astronaut suit was yet to have been invented does not prove they had (or something similar) not existed else where in the universe..
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Gilgaflesh
11/9/2019 03:14:22 pm
Erich von Daniken was officially diagnosed as a pathological liar by a court psychiatrist. This happened during a trial against him for fraud. You're the one grasping at straws. The suit doesn't look any more like a beekeeper than it looks like an astronaut suit. Most tribes use these as ceremonial costumes not worshipping bees or beehives, they eat them daily in some places without suits. They do these ceremonies to the gods, no ifs ands or buts about it, it's a An'cient astronaut ceremonial suit. Just as the Selk'Nam named after NAM'MA of the Sumerian creation stories of the Anunnaki, An-un-na-ki.
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Robert Wulf
6/14/2013 11:59:09 am
I will point to the obvious points you presented in your argument against the indigenous beliefs. A "diving suit," Really? You argue a guy in a diving suit just showed up in the Amazon then went mountain climbing, and that's a realistic rationalization? Regarding the bee keeping. These indigenous people still keep bees, are you arguing they do not know the difference between a bee keeping suit and the constructed ceremonial wear? Really? Almost 20 years of constant research has me taking the oral histories and beliefs of many people more seriously, especially in light of the continuous discoveries that are surfacing. Some Pacific Islanders pray to the Dog Star. It cannot be seen with the naked eye and yet they know where it is every day of the year and can point to it saying the fish men came from there and will return someday. How do they even know about it if it cannot be seen, and this is a very ancient belief. It is good to be careful regarding what we say we know, but it takes no talent to be a skeptic, only ignorance of presentable facts and possibilities, a closed mind, relying on our own ageing dogmas and a belief that oneself has all of the answers.
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6/14/2013 12:22:36 pm
And the Greek remembered the Southern Cross long after it was no longer visible in the Northern Hemisphere. Stars change but memories remain. Which Pacific Islanders claim fish men came from Sirius? I am not aware of this and would like to know specifically which groups.
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fin
7/21/2013 12:34:48 pm
BRO! AGEN YOU SUCKED!!! YOUR MIND IS CLOSE!!! YOUR A STUPID IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT!!! how can you even explained that mayan civilization predict that a star will again show up on the same date again after 26,000 years??? and how can they even relate stars if they doesnt have any spaceships to go the skies?! are you stupid or really just want to have a name? ATT's are yes ambitious because theyre telling us that MAYBE, IF OR WHAT IF aliens really exist way back BC time.. BUT YOU ARE MORE AMBITIOUS DREAMING THAT YOU WILL BECOME A FAMOUS STUPID CRITIC OF ANCIENT ALIENS EPISODES! DUDE! AGEN AND AGEN! YOUU SUUCKKEDD!!!!
choi
8/10/2013 02:23:03 pm
Fin, morons like you are exactly the reason why these fraudsters are making money. But I totally understand. An idiot like you will never know if you have been duped. A 1st grader can even write better than you.
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Toon Pimpinz
9/12/2013 10:55:45 pm
lolz look at these idiots parroting stichin and daniken. u got the first grader who thinks you need a spaceship to understand star movement, then u got the wulf guy who makes outrageous claims without any citation. he even completely misunderstands what jason was saying. if you cant comprehend the article you just read, then you obviously didnt comprehend whatever crap made u believe about the dog star. u speak of facts, but present none. and its obvious u confused this dog star myth of the islanders with what daniken and company preach about the african tribe. which was proven to be another made up lie from daniken. get your fake facts straight. there is no culture on this planet that worships the "dog star" (which is like a 1st graders name for it) and you cant prove it
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ygor
1/1/2014 03:56:03 am
Dude, do not be stupid! you are forgetting to mention the details of the legend of the Indians Kaiapo, which is well detailed how this creature came to them.
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6/3/2014 08:35:26 pm
These native most likely use ayahuasca, which contains the powerful drug DMT,(Dimethyltryptamine). research done by Rick Strassman in the 1990's shows that most users encounter Alien like beings in their hallucinations, but the visions are so strong strong that is seems as if the user has been transported to a different realm where they can communicate with other beings. Participants said that sometimes these beings had advance technologies to those on earth. thus, the straw man ritual may be related to the pseudo religious ceremony of drinking ayahuasca and the beings they encounter during the mind trip.
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Gilgaflesh
11/15/2014 07:02:53 am
I feel ambiguous about this story. I don't consider myself a die-hard sceptic or believer, and unfortunately there are no Kayapo Indians for me to question. All I got are titbits of information, translated and interpreted by multiple sources, from a tribe which doesn't possess written records.
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jasmine
5/20/2016 06:02:03 am
you forgot to mention that the legend also tells of how Bep Kororoti was distraught when one of his devices went missing, he was quite angry and became withdrawn ...apparently the device was important to him for returniing to his people in the 'sky'/'space' ....there are many more details of this special being that you did not mention but selectively and in a cursory manner avoid, perhaps in order to favor your attempt to debunk the alternate hypothesis of a space visitor ( i dont know maybe interdimensional etc ).....but why such a close mind? ....your arguement still does not sway me from considering the real possiblity of an interaction between an alien ? species and natives of the amazonian jungle. What about the kachinas....you know our old testament and Ezekiel is fascinating and what about the pillar of cloud by day and pillar of light by night shadowing the jews when they were wandering in the wilderness?....would it bother you if we demote Jehovah to an alien intelligence toying with humans as their pet project ?
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Gilgaflesh
5/20/2016 12:32:47 pm
Well can you give a link for the complete story? I didn't find any source that mentions Beb had "devices". Seems strange that indians whom don't even have devices would have a word for "device".
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Gilgaflesh
5/20/2016 12:37:19 pm
*That should ofcourse be Puma punku.
Cristiano Gomes
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