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A Tall Tale: Steve Quayle, L. A. Marzulli and the "Giant of Kandahar"

8/18/2016

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I don’t make a habit of reading World Net Daily, but the news aggregator site has a prominent place in the world of conservative opinion. It was therefore a bit surprising to find that WND, as it styles itself, ran a lengthy article repeating L. A. Marzulli’s claims about the U.S. military capturing a living giant in Afghanistan and transporting the monster to Ohio. (The article, as you will see below, is a summary of a YouTube broadcast from earlier this week.) The details have changed in the telling since gigantologist Steve Quayle began flogging the story at least as far back as 2005.
On November 7, 2005, Quayle appeared on Coast to Coast AM and alleged that he had received an email from an anonymous U.S. Air Force officer claiming that the Air Force had discovered a giant in Afghanistan in March 2005 and transported the 12 or more foot tall, 1,100-pound creature to a “secret” base in Europe. It allegedly had six finger on each hand and six toes on each foot, as well as a powerful odor. One version of the story, the one told on radio, according to Coast to Coast episode summaries posted online, claimed that the giant had been recently killed in Afghanistan.
 
A second version, which cropped up online, claimed that the giant had been discovered in an ancient tomb, buried with artifacts and weapons. This version seems to have been contaminated by additional and possibly separate material from Quayle’s Genesis 6 Giants website, which features a photograph of an Air Force officer from the middle twentieth century standing beside sheet-draped artifacts, claiming that it is the tomb of a giant.
 
According to their assertion of copyright, shortly after the initial flap Quayle and co-author Duncan Long quickly produced a novel, called LongWalkers: Return of the Nephilim, which was explicitly a work of fiction about the U.S. military’s supposed involvement with Nephilim. The book carries a copyright date of 2006 and 2008, though they did not register the copyright with the U.S. Copyright Office. In other words, the order of events suggests that the story began as publicity for Quayle’s attempt at a novel, especially since no evidence for the claim has ever emerged.
 
To promote the book, Quayle said that he included in it what he claimed was the Air Force officer’s email to him, now described as a “personal letter,” perhaps because in the intervening months he had learned that the U.S. military has extremely strict email protocols and sending information about allegedly classified operations to a third party would have been a serious breach, and revealing “secret” information via email is a criminal offense. The letter does not appear in the book’s table of contents, but I do not have a physical copy of the novel to review.
 
Quayle returned to the story on Coast to Coast AM in December 2008, where the story had mutated. During this appearance, Quayle had with him a pilot who refused to identify himself. He claimed that the military loaded the body of the giant into an aircraft and took it not to Europe but to Ohio. Quayle used the opportunity not to press for evidence but to shill for his novel.
 
When Quayle retold the story on The Rundown Live in 2015, the details were different yet again. This time, the story alleges that the U.S. military has a top-secret gigantology unit. Unlike the earlier account of whisking the giant to Europe or even Ohio, Quayle alleged in 2015 that the Air Force officer personally killed the giant, who has now shrunk to just 9-12 feet tall, and destroyed all evidence of its existence on government orders. (Perhaps he thinks whisking it away is destroying evidence? It’s unclear.)
 
At this point, L. A. Marzulli stepped in to take over the story and add it to his cabinet of curiosities in the Watchers series of DVDs. Marzulli discussed the story on his YouTube TV series this week.
However, Marzulli’s version of the story is different yet again. In the DVD, excerpted in the YouTube broadcast, he interviews an unnamed man who claims to be the officer who encountered the giant. This time, the story takes place in 2002, immediately after the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, and the encounter was not with the Air Force but with the U.S. Army Special Forces unit. According to this version of events, the giant was now 12-15 feet tall and was killed by gunfire from a full Special Forces unit. The soldier alleges that the giant killed a Special Forces member named “Dan” with a pike.
 
A second soldier, who claims to know the story only secondhand, gave still different details: the giant becomes “three times” the size of a man (15-19 feet), and the “Special Forces” unit that chanced upon the giant becomes a “special unit” tasked with giant hunting. This soldier was Marzulli’s chauffeur and refused to give his name.
 
According to U.S. Army records, only one service member named Dan was killed in Afghanistan in 2002. He was killed along with several other soldiers in an accident in Kandahar when confiscated rockets exploded.
 
Sure, the death of the fictitious “Dan” could have been covered up by a conspiracy, but at some point you have an actual claim that a real person is dead. To help “prove” their story Quayle and Marzulli might have tried to find this dead person and demonstrate that he (a) existed, (b) died, and (c) was killed in action in Afghanistan. They did not make even rudimentary efforts to confirm the tale.
 
Instead, Marzulli ranted about conspiracies: “If there are fifteen or eighteen footers roaming the Earth and our military has brought them down, we have a right as American citizens to know about it. I mean, this isn’t classified military stuff. This is something we need to know. And it points back to the biblical prophetic narrative.”
 
It isn’t classified? How, pray tell, if we credit you with even a hint of truth, do you know that?
 
The soldier alleges that he had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the military, which is weird since the military could simply classify the event and prevent any military personnel from speaking of it. According to the Army, non-disclosure agreements, standard form 312, are used for private contractors who receive access to classified information. By law, non-classified information is, by definition, free to be discussed. [Update: As you can see from the comments below, NDAs are used with some classified material within the Army.] 
 
Marzulli and the soldier allege that the story—which, I remind you, involves the death of an actual person who could, in theory, be proven to exist—has been covered up to protect Darwinian evolution from Christianity since, in his mind, it would be impossible for “giants” to have evolved. Tall creatures like the giraffe and diplodocus and Gigantopithecus would probably disagree. The soldier, needless to say, is a Christian who disagrees with evolutionary biology and therefore has more than a little motive for making up a story that, I must say again, has absolutely no physical or documentary evidence to support it.
 
WND concluded its article by directing readers to purchase the Watchers DVD from the “WND Superstore,” where WND receives a royalty on each unit sold.
 
Finally, I should briefly acknowledge the Xplrr Media video presentation that ran last night. The minor fringe historian behind it had made vulgar claims for what the video would do, and I went into it expecting high comedy from what seemed to have been billed as a parody. Instead, it left me confused and a bit bleary-eyed since the video was a Dutch-angle shot of a laptop screen broadcasting a blurry image. The video claimed that “the truth” about prehistory was suppressed in 325 CE, presumably at the Council of Nicea (though no one told the Arabs!), and the speaker made several strange claims. However, it seems that the kindest thing is to say nothing, since to do otherwise would be to vindicate his belief that “academics” are lying in wait to attack him. In truth, he offered nothing of interest.
 
My policy has always been to devote my time and energy, where possible, to examining people and claims that command large audience and media attention, because those are the topics that are important to address. In keeping with that I will continue to cover Scott Wolter, a frequent media figure with a significant following, but I have no plans to further discuss his business partner unless or until he makes a newsworthy claim.
34 Comments
Kal
8/18/2016 12:46:12 pm

It's not called an NDA in the military. That's for a broadcast, TV or film, or for written journalism or some other. If he's claiming it's an NDA, it's not.

This is similar to that Mermaid story from History channel. Looks like he just wanted his own Mermaid story, but it's a giant instead.

Dan is probably a crossover of the character in Forrest Gump, who lives, and the character in Saving Private Ryan, who does not. Neither took place in Afganistan.

Something as fantastical as a giant would likely be top secret, if it was real, and no footage would exist.

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Bob Jase
8/18/2016 12:51:59 pm

"a photograph of an Air Force officer from the middle twentieth century standing beside sheet-draped artifacts, claiming that it is the tomb of a giant."

If there is a giant under there its extremely skinny, break in half if it tried to stand up.

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Uncle Ron
8/18/2016 12:58:51 pm

I stopped watching when it was alleged that the giant took "multiple rounds" from, among other weapons, a Barrett .50 caliber rifle. The Barrett .50 is a fearsome weapon not usually used in close quarters combat. Much less powerful weapons can take down an elephant which weighs five times or more what this giant supposedly weighed. Obviously the people who write this stuff are laughably ignorant about everything.

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Shane Sullivan
8/18/2016 01:39:40 pm

"I’m spooning a Barrett .50-cal. I could kill a building."
-Sterling Archer

Not an inaccurate statement.

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gdave
8/18/2016 03:29:41 pm

Gahh, I'm turning into an apologist for these guys...

Quayle and Marzulli aren't claiming an encounter with a relict gigantopithecus, but a Nephilim - a supernatural creature. Plus, they are claiming humaniform giants with normal human proportions - biologically impossible due to the square/cube law.

A 12-foot human-proportioned giant would have to be supernatural, or at least have a wildly variant physiology composed of much stronger stuff than ordinary human tissue. Once you grant that premise, surviving multiple hits from .50 BMG rounds isn't actually in itself that fantastical.

Plus, I can testify from extensive personal experience, as well as extensive secondary research, anything that is both that weird and that big can easily survive heavy weapons fire. By "personal experience", I am of course referring to my experience playing role-playing games, and by "secondary research", I am of course referring to comic books and sci-fi and fantasy books, TV shows, and movies.

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bkd
8/19/2016 01:51:35 am

I have 0 confidence in their ability to distinguish between Nephilim and Jotuns, or any other svartalfen, for that matter.

V
8/19/2016 05:19:41 am

Obvs. not enough sci-fi, because you overlooked the obvious. It doesn't have to be supernatural.

It could be

A ROBOT.

bkd
8/19/2016 08:40:48 am

You mean...an iron giant?

Mind. Blown.

TheBigMike
8/19/2016 05:07:07 pm

Given that there are a number of naturally occurring animals (giraffes, and elephants on land and lord knows how many types of whales) that do exist in the proportions being discussed, we do know what kind of material such a giant humanoid would likely be made of... not even a blue whale could survive a direct hit with a .50 cal. anti-material round. The interesting thing about the Barrett light .50 is that it was designed not as a sniper rifle but as a means of penetrating the outer layer of explosive reactive armor plating to ignite the armor and neutralize the effectiveness of the reactive nature of the armor for subsequent artillery. The other job the Barrett was designed for was to explode land-mines at a safe distance. That being said, it would take one hell of a supernatural giant to stand up to a head shot from a Barrett, not to mention the .223 rounds from M-4s.

gdave
8/20/2016 08:51:35 am

@TheBigMike,

I don't want to beat a dead Nephilim, but....Yes, there are plenty of real world animals that are much bigger than humans, and even quite a few that are bigger than the "Kandahar Giant", but, and this is critical, they don't have human proportions. Giraffes, proportionally, have much longer limbs and much smaller torsos and heads to support. Elephants, proportionally, have much thicker limbs. Whales have a very different body plan, and spend all of their time floating in water.

A 12-foot humaniform giant, with normal human proportions, just isn't biologically feasible. The bones, connective tissue, and muscles would either have to be much thicker than a human's (in which case, the giant would not have human proportions), or they would have to be much stronger, just for the giant to stand up, much less engage in combat. The heart and lungs would have to be proportionally bigger (again, the giant would not have human proportions), or they would have to be much stronger to provide adequate oxygen and circulation - or the giant's tissues would somehow need much less oxygenation than a human's to maintain the same level of activity. And so on.

This all isn't just theoretical. We know from actual cases of gigantism that nine-foot tall humans, for example, are possible, but only barely viable. People that tall have severe muscular, skeletal, circulatory, and respiratory problems, and don't have a very long life expectancy.

A 12-foot human, much less a 15-19 foot one, probably couldn't even breathe, much less engage in combat. The amount of biological hand-waving you'd have to engage in to make a mundane humaniform giant possible makes surviving multiple hits from .50 BMG rounds the least fantastical part of the account.

And if the giant is actually a supernatural creature, descended from fallen angels...at that point, we've left the discussion of how "realistic" it is for it to survive such impacts far behind.

Crash55
8/18/2016 01:35:53 pm

I currently work for the Army as a civilian and have had to sign an NDA only once. That was before I was allowed to climb inside an M1 tank. Generally everything we do is covered by distribution or classification statements. Most stuff falls under FOUO - For Official Use Only. It doesn't require a clearance to work with but you aren't supposed to give it to the public.

We use NDA's when dealing with private companies. It how we share our Intellectual Property and FOUO information - generally limited distribution drawings.

Classified is a different issue and one I try to stay away from most of the time. We have a completely separate email system for it. Our regular emails system are subject to monitoring but generally they only do that if there is a reason. An officer could have easily emailed info about a "giant" without anyone ever noticing. He could also have done it from a personal account

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Uncle Ron
8/18/2016 07:44:50 pm

So THAT"S what was in those 30-thousand emails Hillary deleted! It's a conspiracy!

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gdave
8/18/2016 01:47:48 pm

On the "classified" bits of this post:

I'm a former U.S. Army Reserve Soldier, had a security clearance, served in a Military Intelligence occupational specialty, and served as my Reserve Unit's Security Manager, so I've had a bit of experience in dealing with classified information. There's a few misconceptions in this post and in the response from Kal.

1) The U.S. military does have strict protocols on revealing classified information by email - but those protocols are only emphasized because email is so ubiquitous. Revealing classified information via any medium is a criminal offence; it would be just as much of a criminal offence for an Air Force Officer to disclose classified information via a physical letter as it would be to send it via email.

2) Military personnel absolutely sign Non-Disclosure Agreements. I had to sign one when I got my clearance; I had to sign another when I was put on Active Duty and assigned to a military intelligence posting; I had to sign another one when I was accidentally exposed to information I wasn't cleared to view.

There are plenty of other issues with Quayle and Marzulli's account, but from my personal experience, if the U.S. military were secretly hunting giants, covering it up by having all of the personnel involved sign NDAs is, in fact, exactly what would happen. That part of their story does ring true. As I alluded to above, I once read an email that contained classified information I was not cleared to see, and had to sign an NDA regarding that information.

Just by the way, the person who sent that email wasn't criminally prosecuted; they were officially reprimanded and received extensive re-training on classification procedures. Contra what a lot of folks outside the military and intelligence communities think, simply mishandling classified information or accidentally exposing it to recipients not cleared to view it is pretty much never criminally prosecuted. It's only when someone deliberately reveals classified information to someone they know is not cleared to receive it that criminal prosecutions occur - even for low-level military personnel with no political connections.

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Jason Colavito link
8/18/2016 02:04:17 pm

Thanks for the information! I've made a note in the blog post correcting the errors.

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Charlie Wilson
10/6/2017 11:58:35 pm

Kudos GDAVE!

The most comprehensive and intelligent response to date (06 Oct, 17) in regards to the Kandahar incident. Truly gifted you are with the art of 'saying it w/o saying it'.

May I ask of the debriefing protocol for such a Spec Opts Unit? I doubt that A-Rangers are allowed to carry smartphones, right? If so, you would think that pics would be in abundance by now?? Or is that something covered in debrief?

Respectfully,
Charlie

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Rocco
12/14/2017 09:21:47 pm

It's offense, not "offence". You were in the U.S. Army, not the British Army. Square your autocorrect away. If you were my S2 NCO I'd eat you alive for jacking up my paper work with such errors.

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Only Me
8/18/2016 02:39:33 pm

I find this whole thing incredibly funny. When it came to the "fairy" Marzulli investigated—a creature, whose confirmed existence would whip evolutionary biologists into a frenzy—the body was available for testing and no sign of a government cover-up or conspiracy. No former military personnel stepped forth to discuss special units actively hunting fairies.

But giants? Conspiracy! Government cover-ups! Top Men! We have a right to know! There's books to be written, DVDs to sell, money to be made!

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Jason Colavito link
8/18/2016 02:52:28 pm

Don't be silly: That was the MEXICAN government. Angry conservatives like Marzulli don't imagine that the Mexicans are capable of such feats of suppression! After all, what do you think that proposed wall on our border is meant to keep out. Haven't you seen the trailer for Matt Damon's Great Wall movie?

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Only Me
8/18/2016 03:50:19 pm

Oh, great. America will become Attack on Titan! All we need is for those special giant hunting units to be issued Three Dimensional Maneuver Gear.

Titus pullo
8/20/2016 02:30:52 pm

I can't think of one wall that actually worked in history. Demand will always find away around artificial supply like walls

Christine Erikson link
8/21/2016 04:33:20 pm

"money to be made!" Quayle (who is totally full of shit and a bad attitude as well this supposed prophet of God who gets mad not so much at sin as at any disagreement with him) and Marzulli etc. should stop publishing and GET A JOB.

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Kathleen
8/18/2016 03:19:14 pm

After watching the clip, "The Shooter" Mr.K, Contract Operator, said that they were in the remote area looking for a missing patrol. He even says they came across bone material and communication equipment. Has anyone identified the missing patrol members? Are they additional victims of the Giant?

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An Over-Educated Grunt
8/18/2016 03:36:20 pm

B. Jacob Bulltwaddleonce uncovered the suppressed truth of the all-you-can-eat pancake dinner. They say it's not on the menu but if you yell enough about lawsuits and inventing the cellphone they'll give it to you.

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Roy Smith
8/20/2016 05:57:49 am

It is so obvious how you take down one of these giants, you use a slingshot to hurl a rock at its forehead, just like David did with Goliath.

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Christine Erikson link
8/21/2016 04:14:05 pm

no surprise Marzulli etc. got on a conservative news aggregator site. they are politically conservative, push the militia patriot agends and anti government agenda, and so forth mixing prophecy misinterpretation with the foregoing like the conservatives like to do. a little fantasicalness addon is nothing.

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Chiaroscuro
8/24/2016 10:35:15 am

LA Marzulli is part of the evangelical-zionist conspiracy team. If you've been adeptly following the conspiracy scene for decades, as I have, you know whom their ring consists of.
Bill Flynn, brother of David Flynn, who started the whole Watchers thing back in the 1990s, (watchers was the original website), Tom Horn, Stan Deyo, Steve Quayle, LA Marzulli, The Haggmann Report, Chris Putnam, John Moore, Russ Dizdar, Derek and Sharon Gilbert, Gary Wayne, etc. These are the edgy-conspiratorial arm of an earlier group including Chuck Missler, Hal Lindsey, and the whole Bible Code phenom of the 1990s. We can throw Jonathan Cahn in there too. Picture watching Trinity Broadcasting or Daystar mixed with a bad sci-fi movie. We're talking about people who still promote fear of Catholics. You know, the Vatican has a telescope in Arizona (on land that used to have evil sacrifices, according to Quayle), lol.. which others have named "LUCIFER", which of course means that the Vatican wants to bring in the age of Antichrist. Yeah. Either that, or the "“Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.” was simply dubbed "Lucifer" by people with an agenda for book sales and chat topics. Amiwrong ? Recently I heard Marzulli tell John B Wells (who should know better) another story about some army drunks driving (yes, driving drunk) for 4 hours up in California to a DUM (deep underground military) base where the greys were working with humans, oversaw by the "tall blonde" aliens, and that
American foreign policy is run by aliens. Not by Freemasons or Zionists, right ?
What really separates these people from the "regular" UFO fanatics is they throw in the "Judeo-Christian" angle of fear that the aliens are really demons and that demonic offspring still live on/in the Earth, or on other planets, who will be presented as aliens.
The problem for all UFO/Extraterrestrial fantasizers is that the evidence of all UFOs really being 100% human-made military craft which started with the Nazi scientists and Nikola Tesla, T Townsend Brown and others is really starting to gain acceptance more (leaving the craze of aliens in the dust) by reasonable people everywhere.

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Rocco
12/14/2017 09:25:09 pm

Dude you just crushed the comments section. Well said brother. Well said!

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Damon
10/24/2016 09:36:17 pm

Love to read "opinions" disputing allegedly true accounts of encounters with the amazing. Oddly and maybe even hypocritically, scoffers blast accounts because they are seemingly incredulous and devoid of tangible substantative evidence yet the disputors never offer evidence, trying to pass off their very personal opinions as a type of final verdict.

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don doubter
1/9/2017 10:04:53 pm

I am not gonna say this story is true...But it seems many of you doubt most anything u haven't seen..People in the past were much smaller and shorter..Maybe to them Michael Jordan is a giant...There is more on heaven and earth than u can possibly imagine...Don't be so quick to doubt because of one shaky story!!!

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Bobby Marcum
3/17/2017 01:53:23 am

The description of the exposition of this Giant incident reveals that the person Jason Colavito has done for us all what we are unable to do ourselves-gathe rthe data ourselves.
If you consider what these men (quayle, Marzulli etc) and find you reach a different conclusion, it is possibly because you collected and placed data into context correctly, as opposed to inaccurately, like this article's author has done.

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Sam
3/24/2017 05:40:06 am

On the non-disclosure agreements. I had to sign one before leaving every assignment (permanent change of station--in the CONUS or overseas). And, I signed one for a security clearance. Actually, I issued security clearances and made sure everyone signed the non-disclosure agreement. Then, I signed my last one, just before retirement.

As far as giants go, I believe the Bible--they are in there. They were strong and could carry several hundred pounds of weight, like toys. Joshua and Caleb went to Canaan and said they felt like grasshoppers when they saw how tall these Canaanites were.

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SHERI
9/1/2018 02:40:54 pm

I believe the Bible also and that there was giants and may still be today.

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danielnoah link
3/14/2018 02:56:50 am

nd in Africa

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Mic
9/26/2018 12:42:21 pm

I've watched theses two for a couple of years. I just kept wondering what's wrong with them. Now I know. Watch this video on a comparison of narcissistic, sociopathic and psychopathic personality disorder.
https://youtu.be/6dv8zJiggBs

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