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Aaron Rodgers Discusses His Love for Fringe History, Says Conspiracy Theories of History Give Him "Hope"

3/24/2016

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Microsoft launched an artificial intelligence modeled on a teenage girl and set her loose on Twitter to learn from interacting with real people and studying social media. In less than a day she was spouting Nazi rhetoric, praising Hitler, and condemning the Jews. While a chunk of that is due to idiots intentionally trolling the robot, that seems a fair appraisal of what pop culture is like in 2016. Microsoft took the robot offline, presumably to de-Nazify it. Unfortunately, though, the insidious influence of popular culture can’t be simply coded out of real human beings. Today’s example is kind of depressing.
The internet is abuzz talking about how Green Bay Packers quarterback and television pitchman Aaron Rodgers admitted to seeing an orange UFO in 2005 during an appearance on the You Made It Weird podcast. He linked this sighting to nuclear power plants, which he considers to be magnets for UFOs. This wouldn’t be too interesting to us except that in the unreported part of the discussion, which lasted ten times longer, Rodgers also admitted to being a huge fan of (you guessed it) Ancient Aliens, joining a chorus of celebrities who have embraced the History Channel’s fraudulent series and its claims: 
That got me into the whole Ancient Aliens… I like the History Channel and the History Channel 2 [= H2]. I’ve been a, I studied history in college and have always been a fan of what happened in the past, the near past and also the ancient past. And, there’s some, you know, great shows on there that talk about the… Brad Meltzer’s got a show on there about whether the history that we’re told is actually how it happened, based on artifacts found all over the world that kind of tie it back to similar places and the fact that there’s pyramids all over the place, and the fact that in general history is usually written by the winners.
He is presumably referring to America Unearthed in that final section rather than Brad Meltzer’s Decoded, but six of one, half a dozen of the other. Podcast host and semi-famous comedian Pete Holmes (from Best Week Ever and elsewhere) then agrees with Rodgers and adds that history is written to “keep people in the dark” before going on to question the theory of evolution. Both he and Rodgers invoke the Anunnaki and the Watchers (by name!) to better explain the origins of humankind, and I felt very sad, both because the Watchers made it into a conversation between a quarterback and a comedian, and also because even though I am the least interested person in the world when it comes to football, even I know more about the Green Bay Packers off the top of my head than Holmes did in this interview, even after allegedly researching Rodgers. His lack of preparation for interviewing Rodgers was just embarrassing.
 
Rodgers said that he believes in most major ancient astronaut claims, including the discredited allegation that a lotus blossom and serpent carving in the temple of Denderah in Egypt represents a light bulb, and that a partially effaced hieroglyph in a temple at Abydos represents a helicopter and a submarine (or, as he put it, a spaceship). Both men agree that the past is essentially unknowable and that they would have loved to see what the aliens were doing in Egypt in the time of Akhenaten (whose name they could not remember). “I think about that all the time,” Rodgers said, completely serious.
 
Rodgers, though, admitted that some of the Ancient Aliens hypotheses are “a little past where I’m at,” but he said that he finds aliens to be a plausible alternative to creationism, which he seems to believe is the consensus viewpoint on history. Given the well-known evangelical Christian presence in pro sports, it’s perhaps understandable that Rodgers would view ancient astronauts and creationism as the only two binary choices, but holy crap how can anyone, even a professional athlete, go through a college education, study history of all things at UC Berkeley, and still think that Ancient Aliens makes a good argument? Rodgers is only two years younger than me, so he can’t use “young and stupid” as an excuse. Of course, Holmes is two years older than me, so he can’t well use “old and cranky” as an excuse.
 
As the podcast went on, some of the undercurrents that drive Rodgers’s beliefs manifested. He described realizing at one point that there must be more to his life than just football, no matter how great football seems now, and this suggests that his worldview projects the same search for a broader meaning on a larger stage. Indeed, he describes believing in conspiracy theories and aliens as being a kind of “hope,” a hope that “what I see every day is not all there is.” Rodgers said that he feels that ancient astronauts and conspiracy theories provide a spiritual satisfaction for him that vaguely defined authorities aren’t telling us all that there is to the world and that a greater spiritual reality can be discovered through contemplation of cable TV mysteries, from diffusionism to psi ​phenomena. He added that he came to view these mysteries as a path to spiritual answers because he rejected the harsh, condemnatory evangelical Christianity he encountered among his friends and teammates going back to his college days, repeating a mistaken belief that Christianity is equivalent to the biblical literalism of the fundamentalists, which he rightly rejects as contrary to fact. He does not like being told that he will go to hell for not following some arcane biblical verse literally.
 
It doesn’t take a psychologist to make sense of this, nor to see how the aliens are replacements for a God that failed. This makes me sad because I feel for him in terms of seeking greater meaning in life and looking for the underlying philosophical truths that animate spirituality, but ancient astronauts are just not the way to fight one’s way out of existential despair. Rodgers strikes me as someone who has genuine curiosity and a real interest in history and philosophy, and also someone who has been led down the garden path by popular culture in general and the History Channel in particular. This is about as good an example of the failure of our culture at every level (educational, scientific, religious, and popular) to provide the tools to create meaning in life as one might want to find, and I am glad, at least, that Rodgers is articulate enough to provide a thoughtful and even complex analysis of how these interlocking cultural systems simultaneously failed.
 
“Let’s be wrong, let’s be weird!” Holmes proclaims at one point in the podcast. Mission accomplished, Pete Holmes. Mission accomplished.
64 Comments
Platy
3/24/2016 11:09:43 am

Aliens I can see, but conspiracy theories as a beacon of hope is kind of a weird idea. They strike me as cynical and pessimistic, and pretty dark at times, so clearly he's seeing something I'm not.

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flip
3/25/2016 03:34:48 am

My guess is that it's hope that the truth is out there somewhere, and one day will be discovered, possibly in his lifetime. That if the alternatives are false, then there's little to believe in, so if a conspiracy is the truth there is something to hold onto in the darker moments of life.

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Time Machine
3/25/2016 07:18:50 am

The word fact should be used instead of truth.

Truth is a subjective term.
Truth is different things to different people.

Bobby
12/28/2016 11:17:33 pm

I feel sad for the person who wrote this about Rodgers. He is not replacing a failed GOD with aliens. He is just a realist and there is far more tangible evidence for alien visitation than a god, or maybe an advanced race would be thought of gods. Nothing wrong with that viewpoint.

Rodgers is a smart guy maybe a few rungs up on the writer of this article. I feel sad for anyone that thinks we are alone in the universe. Not many scientist believe that. Many think we have already been visited guys much smarter than the ignorant person that wrote this.

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Time Machine
3/24/2016 11:18:42 am

>>>It doesn’t take a psychologist

There are psychologists out there who are at the same time parapsychologists believing in crap like remote viewing and life after death.

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caustic acrostic
3/24/2016 12:37:41 pm

Peter Venkman.

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Time Machine
3/24/2016 02:01:26 pm

Yeah, I can soon produce a biblio of examples

Time Machine
3/24/2016 02:09:55 pm

Erlendur Haraldsson, "The Departed Among The Living: An Investigative Study of Afterlife Encounters" (Guildford: White Crow 2012)


Kārlis Osis; Erlendur Haraldsson, "At The Hour of Death: A New Look At Evidence For Life After Death" (Time-Life Books, 1993)

Erlendur Haraldsson is a professor emeritus of psychology on the faculty of social science at the University of Iceland. He has published in various psychology and psychiatry journals. In addition, he has published parapsychology books and authored a number of papers for parapsychology journals.

JediMind
4/2/2016 02:54:49 pm

I would say that it's rather hard to discredit or promote the idea of some sort of continuation of existence after death. I don't believe in the religious viewpoints on it, however the idea that our consciousness could go on in some form or another is not something I would be willing to throw out the window completely. There are a lot of cultures that believe in reincarnation of some sort. Physics has said that energy can neither be created or destroyed, so if you think that our consciousness is energy of some sort who knows what happens. Just my 2 cents.

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Only Me
3/24/2016 11:20:47 am

Microsoft's robot fell victim to Godwin's Law. I sincerely hope they weren't surprised by this.

"Rodgers, though, admitted that some of the Ancient Aliens hypotheses are 'a little past where I’m at”'

I hope this doesn't turn out to be foreshadowing. Maybe he won't go full Ancient Aliens. Never go full Ancient Aliens.

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Time Machine
3/24/2016 11:23:01 am

Ancient astronauts are the equivalent of angels and God intervening in human history in the Bible.

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Only Me
3/24/2016 11:27:38 am

Hey, look everybody! I've been added to Time Machine's short list of specific commenters to stalk and harass! Oh, yeah! Who's the man?!

Time Machine
3/24/2016 11:34:06 am

You have a very short memory - you constantly ask for clarifications - and I provide them - then you leave claiming I did not answer your questions !

Only Me
3/24/2016 11:58:21 am

From my comment to you on 3/10/16:

"I was hoping you would clarify your thoughts, and you did."

Thanks for the concern, but my memory's fine. ;)

Time Machine
3/24/2016 12:02:20 pm

You forgot all the stuff after that

Only Me
3/24/2016 12:22:09 pm

No I didn't! That stuff is on the blog post from 3/22/16. Everyone can read our discussion for themselves, if they haven't already.

An Over-Educated Grunt
3/25/2016 09:46:31 am

Welcome to the club, Only Me. Welcome to the club. Soon everything you say will be followed by five pages of mouth-foaming, all-caps inane gibberish that doesn't actually prove anything and instead tries to bury you under references from reputable scholars who just one breath ago didn't know anything. You'll say "what a nice morning it is," and this will be greeted by a dozen pointless posts about the Resurrection and how it couldn't possibly be a true story but rather a metaphor for new beginnings of all sorts, most of them in caps, except where they're lifted whole-cloth from another site without attribution or formatted as endless strings of citations.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 01:17:49 pm

Over Educated Grunt

You're a pompous fake who only pretends to be knowledgeable.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 01:27:34 pm

>>>they're lifted whole-cloth from another site without attribution or formatted as endless strings of citations<<<

Yeah, I found out myself, independently, from reading Gnostic and Christian material that they contained references to psychedelic substances --- then found out by doing more research that others before me found out the same things. And had published books about it. Except without any detailed knowledge of history and context.

One thing I found out before anyone else - that bulrushes are psychedelic --- and nobody seems to have covered that anywhere.



Only Me
3/25/2016 02:55:10 pm

Thanks, Grunt. Don't take what I said seriously. Sometimes, I like to have a bit of fun. I honestly don't care if someone follows my comments on the blog or not.

Sure, Time Machine can be abrasive, but that's part of his irascible charm. I consider him harmless due to my thick skin. I dealt with far worse when I was active duty.

An Over-Educated Grunt
3/25/2016 03:21:28 pm

Oh, I don't mind abrasive. I mind impervious to fact, willful misrepresentation of dissenting opinion, inconsistency of position, endless tiresome repetition, hijacking, making grand sweeping pronouncements as if they were fact beyond contest... abrasive doesn't bother me. Lack of rigor and intellectual humility does.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 04:05:32 pm

Quit griping and feeling sorry for yourselves.

Only Me
3/25/2016 04:23:32 pm

Time Machine, you amuse me greatly.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 05:05:37 pm

Carry on "laughing"

Only Me
3/25/2016 06:18:02 pm

Copy Tango Teakettle Barbecue!

BobM
3/28/2016 06:51:55 pm

If nothing else, it tells us that neo-Nazis and white supremacists aren't as stupid as we perhaps thought. Clever enough to wreck the 'bot anyway.

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justanotherskeptic
3/24/2016 11:34:27 am

I'm old, cranky, cynical and skeptical.

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Time Machine
3/24/2016 11:36:15 am

At least let's try to be consistently skeptical - not debunk Uri Geller on the one hand and then claim the Loch Ness Monster exists !

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Bob Jase
3/24/2016 03:15:50 pm

Uri Geller IS the Loch Ness Monster - that's why they've never been seen together.

Time Machine
3/24/2016 10:18:48 pm

I presume you arrived at that conclusion through consensus of opinion, rather than by analysing the evidence.

KING AND PRIEST LOL
3/25/2016 03:45:28 pm

No sense of humor whatsoever as usual.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 04:10:08 pm

And you're still as ignorant as ever.

Want to learn about History ?
Go to University, because you are unable to find out for yourself.

justanotherskeptic
3/25/2016 06:32:51 pm

If Time Machine is implying I'm inconsistent it's true on Facebook but here. Besides Uri's talents are real and Loch Ness doesn't exist.

Time Machine
3/25/2016 06:54:58 pm

Bizarre

Clete
3/24/2016 11:35:35 am

I haven't been in school for a long time, but it seems to me one of the areas that education falls short in is teaching students the fine art of critical thinking. The belief that just because someone is on the tube or in a position of authority and that automatically makes their ideas valid is a fallacy. It not only applies to subjects like fringe theories, but also to politics and even to such things as product endorsements.

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Joe Scales
3/24/2016 11:45:32 am

Rodgers went to college to play football and did not graduate; entering the NFL draft after his junior year. "I studied history in college" has a different meaning for a football player with NFL potential, as does intelligence when related to on-field prowess.

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DaveR
3/24/2016 12:32:28 pm

I might have you beat on "...least interested person in the world when it comes to football.." because I have to pretty much be hammered to sit through watching a game on TV, which I only do when I visit my Dad. He gets a bit irritated by all of my questions because I have no clue about the rules, lines, etc.

Anyway, this is sad in so many ways. The AI robot being so quickly indoctrinated by the trolls and the garbage that permeates the Web and yet another quasi-celebrity professing his beliefs with the fringe. I wonder if the comedian is using this for a new routine regarding the dopes buying into the Ancient Aliens crap.

Maybe something like this:

"I met this guy, you know, he's a football player. I'm getting worried that he's taken too many blows to the head and his helmet doesn't have enough padding. He was telling me that aliens built the pyramids 85,000 years ago for transmitting intergalactic signals across the universe at faster than light speeds. He really needs to get his head examined. First by a neurologist, and then by a psychiatrist."

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Uncle Ron
3/24/2016 01:16:42 pm

The audience would just sit there thinking "Football . . . pyramids . . . Huh?"

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Bob Jase
3/24/2016 03:16:57 pm

Think how much grain could be stored in an average football stadium!

DaveR
3/24/2016 03:38:13 pm

If you look closely at a football, the threaded ties resemble the "Hooked X." This is clear evidence Vikings invented football.

crainey
3/24/2016 12:51:38 pm

I'm surprised someone here hasn't mentioned the damaging effects of brain concussions in the sport. That would explain the football player. As for the comedian... well maybe he played in high school?

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Platy
3/24/2016 01:03:10 pm

Yeah, I was thinking about that possibility too, but I wouldn't say it's a solid explanation, only a possibility.

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Ken
3/24/2016 01:15:09 pm

The Ancient Alien theory actually makes more sense than the Invisible Man in the Sky theory, however since there is zero evidence for either the probability that either is even partly true is negligible.

The show "Ancient Aliens", at least some of the earlier seasons had at least two redeeming qualities: the show was well produced, and it showed a lot of interesting places which I would actually like to visit to see for myself (If I wasn't so old). Some of the earlier shows were very entertaining as long as not taken seriously.

Unfortunately, the last 3 seasons have been 99% cut and pasted from earlier shows.

Actually, Brad Meltzer recently had a second show which attempted to retrieve lost or stolen artifacts from ACTUAL history.

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Only Me
3/24/2016 02:50:52 pm

Did Meltzer succeed in retrieving any of those artifacts?

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Ken
3/24/2016 08:05:01 pm

The show was called "Lost History". I'm not sure if he was responsible for any finds, but he reports on some which were stolen, then retrieved. At any rate it was legit history, therefore it only lasted one season.

Shane Sullivan
3/24/2016 02:05:11 pm

Rodgers is right, of course, that there is a link between all of the pyramids of the world. But in closely studying archaeology, religion, and ancient myth, I've determined that the source if these structures is not extraterrestrial, but rather a species of hominid indigenous to Earth, most likely originating in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years BP. They've left traces of their presence on every continent, and nearly every ancient legend makes reference to them.

I'm putting all of my data into a paper which, once finished, should turn the academic world upside down! This mysterious species--which I have tentatively named "Ooman"--is real, and soon the world's governments will have to admit it!

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Only Me
3/24/2016 02:49:10 pm

If you have it peer reviewed, you'll be a leg up on some other notable, real-life, Indiana Jones-type mavericks.

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Shane Sullivan
3/24/2016 07:34:31 pm

Ironically I'm more of a real-life Jughead Jones.

Jonathan Feinstein
3/25/2016 11:15:47 am

Darned hominid Oomans! They seem to stick their noses in everywhere. Next you'll e telling us they left graffiti on hundreds of nice pristine caves too. There oughta be a law, LOL.

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Kal
3/24/2016 03:39:25 pm

The easiest way for ancient man to make a mud mountain is a mound, and on from there.

The easiest way for a late stone age man to build a mountain temple or store house, or a tomb, is to build with stone or brick. The most practical shape for such a mountain is a pyramid. Sure other shapes are possible too, but a pyramid seems the most practical.

It doesn't have to be aliens, or an ancient proto Egyptian society, a proto MesoAmerican one, or some great Atlantis type society from myth, but just creative, smart humans making buildings.

Just because we don't quite now how they managed it, but have figured out a lot, doesn't mean it was mythical creatures or space aliens. It just means we don't understand how they did it.

Maybe it might pay for some studious pyramid making students in the sand or something to start making a pyramid and see if they can.

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orang
3/24/2016 05:56:34 pm

After reading this, I'll never look at Aaron Rodgers in the same light. It is frankly disappointing. Hey, maybe Olivia Munn influenced his wacky beliefs.

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DC
1/23/2022 11:59:04 pm

aww, don't go blaming Olivia....

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Killbuck
3/24/2016 10:01:36 pm

Well, as the old NFL player once said, "If you don't think too good, don't think too much."

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DaveR
3/25/2016 09:09:35 am

I saw this in an interview after a game. The player had run in the winning touch down.

Reporter: "That was an amazing play, how did you do it?"

Player: "Well, the coach took me to the side and told me I need to run the ball in hard, I had to play good. When I walked out on that field I knew I play good, so I do it gooderer."

The reporter looked into the camera with a look of befuddlement, and they quickly cut away to an interview with the quarterback.

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flip
3/25/2016 03:54:37 am

Someone who has genuine curiousity would seek out multiple avenues of information in order to get differing points of view. Not all views are correct of course, but let's not blame it all on cable TV: people are also choosing to only be exposed to one perspective or one outlet of ideas.

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DaveR
3/25/2016 09:26:26 am

My experience is a majority of people tend to look for information that reinforces their beliefs. Naturally a racist will look for evidence supporting his or her racist views and reject anything that contradicts those beliefs. People who believe in aliens will look for evidence of alien contact, even if they have to look thousands of years in the past. Any contradictory evidence you provide them is ignored because it fails to conform to what they already believe.

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flip
3/25/2016 08:08:38 pm

Yes. Perfect example: any time anyone finds something unusual they take it to whoever already agrees with their pseudoscientific idea rather than their local university or scholar, such as fossils shown to creationist museums by Christian literalists, or the Roswell Slides being taken to UFO authors/'researchers'. Null hypothesis doesn't really exist in the average person's mind.

V
3/25/2016 04:04:11 pm

Personally, I've found that accepting that every human being on the planet is capable of the greatest of good as well as the worst of evils is very empowering. Sure, it removes a layer of feeling protected to acknowledge that my next door neighbor or that nice girl from the coffee shop could be a torture-driven serial killer and I wouldn't even know it, but at the same time, it also lets me feel like I'm capable of performing acts of great heroism. It gives me way more control over my own actions and reactions.

I honestly don't understand this need for "something greater" so many people seem to have. I'm not sure I'm CAPABLE of understanding it, at this point. ...it probably helps that I really don't CARE what happens after I die, so threats of "the next life" have basically no impact on me whatever.

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Time Machine
3/25/2016 04:07:11 pm

And everybody is still waiting for your greatest good.

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flip
3/25/2016 08:12:07 pm

It's fairly obvious. A need to explain or deal with poverty, suffering, disease, grief, and all the other usual sucky thibgs in life. Also, boredom, because few of us get to truly live a life the way we want to, and it's nice to think about being connected to something bigger and better than 'get up, go to work, sleep, repeat'.

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Rook
3/27/2016 02:03:57 am

Apparently, Rodgers failed to learn the art of critical thinking during his time in college. Perhaps he spent too much time on the football field and not enough time focusing on his academic studies.

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Friendly Fire
3/27/2016 11:13:17 am

As a lifelong Green Bay Packer fan and share holder, this disappoints me to no end.

Just to remind y'all ...
The problem with ALL fringe sciences is that they allow you to empirically PROVE that any nonsense is "scientifically based". And, too often, that leads to mean spirited mischief in the real world.

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Brian M
3/27/2016 12:11:11 pm

Maybe, at long last, this report will make the NFL take seriously the repercussions of concussions experienced by many players..

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