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Alaska's Underground Pyramid: A Case of Faulty Memory?

5/20/2014

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First, a brief update: Yesterday I received the first proof copy of the hardcopy edition of Cthulhu in World Mythology. It’s undergoing a final set of corrections, and then it should be available for sale at Atomic Overmind and on sites like Amazon and Barnes & Noble shortly. So, if you’ve been waiting for the print edition to order your copy, the wait is almost over!

Linda Moulton-Howe and the Alaska Pyramid
Here’s a bizarre claim I didn’t know about. I have no idea how I missed it. In March the Humans Are Free fringe website reported a claim that Ancient Aliens pundit and fringe author Linda Moulton-Howe made in 2012 that a major pyramid had been discovered in Alaska. The Humans Are Free article appears to be derived, sometimes verbatim, from pieces that ran on Moulton-Howe’s Earth Files in 2012, but which are now locked behind a membership paywall. Similar articles appeared on numerous other sites such as Before It’s News in 2013, all derived from the same source.
So, here’s the story as given on fringe websites: On May 22, 1992, the Chinese detonated a nuclear bomb as part of its largest-ever nuclear test. (This is true.) American scientists allegedly used the occasion to study the earth’s crust by setting up monitoring equipment in Alaska. (This is not true since the explosion took seismologists by surprise.) As a result of this, the scientists discovered a large cavity fifty miles from Mt. McKinley within which was a pyramid larger than the Great Pyramid of Giza. (This is complete fiction.)

Allow me to let Moulton-Howe share the extensive evidence she compiled for this pyramid in 2012:
A retired U. S. Army Counterintelligence agent, Doug Mutschler, says that when China exploded its largest underground nuclear test on May 22, 1992, geologists and seismologists used the event to study the Earth’s crust and discovered a large pyramid-shaped structure underground in western Alaska between Mount McKinley […] and Nome on Norton Sound. Allegedly, Anchorage Channel 13 broadcast one news story in the fall of 1992 about the China nuclear test and subsequent pyramid discovery. The Army agent says he learned the news report was ordered erased.
“Anchorage Channel 13” is ABC affiliate KYUR-TV, but Moulton-Howe, a former television journalist, apparently did not bother to take even the rudimentary step of contacting the TV station or examining transcripts from independent transcription agencies to confirm anything about the story. But she doesn’t have to because the Mutschler asserts that the story was “erased” and therefore its absence becomes proof of its former presence!

Mutschler claims to have joined the military in 1981, served as a chief warrant officer in military intelligence, and left the service in 1995 due to physical disability. Moulton-Howe requested his discharge papers and posted them online, confirming that he did serve in counterintelligence in southwest Asia.

However, Mutschler waited twenty years to “reveal” the pyramid. Actually, she doesn’t say this at all. She shared the original email Muschler sent to her:
From: Douglas A. Mutschler
Subject: To Linda Moulton Howe, Pyramid under Alaska?
Date: June 22, 2012
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com

Hello…

My name is Douglas A. Mutschler CW2, USA (ret) and during my service tour in Alaska I was informed of a pyramid under the land in Alaska. There is other information concerning this that came to my attention after it was reported to us in 1992. I have tried to pass this info to others but have not heard any response to my information. I assure you I am telling you the truth about this and I think that this is being kept quiet by our government as the news was buried the very next day after it was brought to my attention. If you can help me get this info out to you please call me so I can talk to you about this. My phone number [REDACTED]. The whole story is pretty interesting and this can be verified with your contacts I’m assured of that, as I do not have them and came up with zero from the news people there. I’ll tell you the whole story if you are interested. I’ve only contacted a couple of people but have not heard back from any of them. I’m wondering if my emails are getting through to them or is this an old story that has no interest to news reporters?

Thank you for your time in this matter.

Douglas A. Mutschler
It’s interesting that the initial email made no mention of the Chinese detonation or a TV news story, and in fact Mutschler implies (though with an ambiguous passive construction) that the Army tried to suppress information from the soldiers, not from the media. But this isn’t what he said when asking Ask.com for help finding the news footage, where he attributes the story entirely to his memory of a news story about the Chinese detonation from November 1992. I am not able to determine which version came first.

Here he is again talking to Moulton-Howe by phone later in 2012, where he repeats the same:
Doug Mutschler and I talked on the phone in-depth about how he had come to learn about the China underground detonation and an alleged crustal study that revealed a pyramid structure larger than Cheops that was reported six months later on Channel 13 (NBC) in Anchorage with graphics and scientific analysis of the large discovered structure. Doug Mutschler was in the Fort Richardson Orderly Room with 39 other men in the last week of November or first week of December 1992 when they all listened with amazement to the in-depth TV news report about the extraordinary large pyramid discovery underground in Alaska. Afterward, Doug went to his room to program his VCR to tape the next news cast because he wanted to study the news report. But nothing was broadcast. He called his father in Fairborn, Ohio, who always watches morning, noon and night news, but the father said there had been nothing about a large pyramid structure discovered in Alaska after Earth crustal studies during the May 22, 1992, one megaton underground nuclear test in Lon Por, China.
The differences are rather striking. In the initial email, Mutschler says that the information “was reported to us in 1992” and was “brought to my attention,” apparently through Army channels. But then he changed his wording and instead claimed to have seen the story on TV six months later. He went on to assert that TV station employees at first denied broadcasting the story before a technician told him that the story had been suppressed and destroyed. So why did only one Alaskan TV station find out about the pyramid? Moulton-Howe is silent.

Given this, I at first wondered if Mutschler wasn’t misremembering the November 10, 1993 NBC-TV special Mystery of the Sphinx, which suggested that there had been a pyramid-building super-culture around 10,500 BCE. As we shall see below, there is a still better explanation. At any rate, given that none of the other alleged 39 witnesses or the thousands of Alaskan TV viewers have any memory of this story, and the entirety of the evidence is one man’s twenty-year-old memory of what he thinks he saw on TV, it seems there is cause for doubt.

Ghost Theory’s Harry Paterson tried to get to the bottom of the story in August 2012, though he was operating on the assumption that Moulton-Howe (who provided him with research materials and recommended the story) and Mutschler were accurate in their claims. He contacted the U.S. Geologic Survey in Anchorage and asked about the 1992 crustal survey Moulton-Howe mentions, and he learned that there was no earth crust survey going on that year, directly contradicting Moulton-Howe’s version of events. Nevertheless, he decided to side with Moulton-Howe because he believed Mutschler to be incapable of telling a lie, or even being wrong, since he was military intelligence.

Leaving aside the fact that memory is notoriously inaccurate and inexact, why would believers trust a member of the same organization they had just accused of a global conspiracy to suppress archaeological evidence? Did they not just admit that they believe them to be proficient and capable liars capable of creating believable cover stories?

Moulton-Howe discovered that the phone number Multscher gave her did not work when she tried to follow up with him, and when he finally called her back, he asserted that the government was manipulating the phones to prevent him from calling her. Satisfied with this conspiracy, the two then recorded an interview.

In this interview, the story gets more convoluted. Here are Multscher’s most developed claims:
…it was in late November to early December [1992] – and I’m sitting there in the Orderly Room with about 40 other people and we were waiting for the last formation of the day. We’re watching the TV, a news program was on and they started talking about this Chinese detonation of an underground nuclear bomb that was set off earlier that year. […] And the story was about geologists around the world had been informed through the U.N. because China had told the U.N. they were going to do this. And so these geologists got together and said let’s get the best recordings of the Earth’s crust and mantle using the vibrations from this explosion. What the geologists said they found in this byline news story was under Alaska, they found a pyramid bigger than the one in Egypt. They said they did not know if it were solid or hollow. They could not tell that, but they had the distinct outline of a pyramid.
Note that Moulton-Howe has paraphrased these claims with greater exactitude than the original: “About 40 other people” becomes exactly “39 other men,” for example.

I have been unable to find any indication that the UN provided information to seismologists about the nuclear tests. In fact, the June 1992 Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (published several weeks earlier than its cover date) betrayed no awareness of any planned tests, noting that China had conducted no tests since 1990. However, there was in fact a series of Chinese nuclear tests between May 1992 and October 1993, so it is unclear why a news broadcast would be covering a six-month-old event so breathlessly.

A Lexis-Nexis search finds no news coverage of Chinese nuclear testing or seismology in Alaska in the fall of 1992—but there was coverage of the Egyptian pyramids around that time! A major 5.3-magnitude earthquake hit Cairo on October 12, 1992. It shook the pyramids and the Sphinx and damaged hundreds of medieval Islamic structures. It was the largest earthquake ever to have struck the area. It was immensely damaging, and the epicenter was only a few kilometers from Giza, near Dahshur. Inspectors were sent to the pyramids to make sure they were OK after a large block fell from the Great Pyramid. More than 500 people died. There is also a UN connection: The UN monitored the 1992 quake and helped coordinate disaster response.

It seems likely that Multscher misunderstood or misinterpreted coverage of the 1992 Cairo earthquake, most likely regional Alaskan coverage of local seismography and preparedness work, since Anchorage suffered massively in the 9.2-magnitude 1964 Alaska earthquake and has always been understandably worried about a future quake of that magnitude. If that’s the case, a local expert might have mentioned how seismographs in Anchorage picked up the Chinese explosion and its seismic signature as well as the Cairo quake. In a crowded room with forty soldiers, many of whom were presumably talking and making noise, it’s easy to see how Multscher could have half-seen, half-heard and partially misunderstood a news report, looking only at the images on the screen and misinterpreting a seismic spike for a geophysical outline of a pyramid, especially if he was already a believer in fringe ideas. Even the exact wording about something being “bigger” that Egypt might have come from a comparison between the seismic signature of the Cairo quake and the much bigger seismic signature of the 1964 Anchorage quake. (The 1964 quake was the second most powerful ever measured by seismograph.)

To confirm this version, we of course would need someone to go through the tapes of 1992 Alaskan local news reports—but that’s the genius of fringe thinking: even if you found exactly what I just described, they’d still say the government suppressed the originals.

Multscher’s story quickly took on a life of its own, bouncing from one credulous website to the next. By December 2012, the pyramid story was now subject to elaboration. Believers now claimed that the Russians reported that a subcritical American nuclear test conducted on December 5 of 2012 was designed to prevent the Alaskan pyramid from being uncovered before the Maya Apocalypse of 2012! Subcritical experiments do not involve nuclear explosions, so I have no idea how that might have worked. When the Maya Apocalypse fizzled, the Alaskan pyramid of doom gradually faded in popularity, but apparently it keeps resurfacing on various fringe websites, referring back to Moulton-Howe’s uncritical “investigation” of one man’s twenty-year-old memory of a brief TV news report.
57 Comments
KIF
5/20/2014 07:17:51 am

More of the same to follow
This sort of thing will never stop - it will only escalate

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steve StC
5/20/2014 05:54:19 pm

Still think Jason Colavito doesn't see racists behind every bush? See his Tweet from May 16th. (Naturally, it links to an article from NPR).

Jason Colavito @JasonColavito · May 16
"Why ice cream trucks play racist minstrel music…"

Why does a guy who claims his website exists to "examine the way human beings create and employ the supernatural to alter and understand our reality and our world" spend SOOOOOO much time focusing on his perceived racism?

Can one (or each and every one) of Jason's acolytes explain to me why this "skeptical xenoarchaeologist" tweets about ice cream trucks playing racist music?????? Or perhaps Jason could explain what this tweet has to do with the subject he claims his blog explores???

You are obsessed, Jason. And you've lost your perspective, if you ever had it.

Tara?

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Varika
5/21/2014 07:04:53 am

Well, first of all, his twitter feed is not his blog, so it can explore other subjects. Second of all, one of the things people do is use the supernatural to JUSTIFY RACISM.

Boy, though, I BET you didn't know that ice cream trucks don't all play the same music! We get three different ones coming through my neighborhood, and they all play different songs. As it happens, though, Jason was probably referring to the "Turkey in the Straw" version, and I think the case for that particular tune being racist is fairly weak. Yes, there was a version with racist lyrics, called "Nigger Love A Watermelon Ha! Ha! Ha!" Given, however, that "Turkey in the Straw," with lyrics about a girl with a wooden leg and false teeth and her boyfriend, both predates AND was more popular than the other--being associated strongly with pastoral farm life thanks to animated shorts by Disney AND Warner (Looney Tunes made it particularly famous)--I would tend to think the more popular version is what was being played. At least without more evidence than "This version over here has racist lyrics!"

But what the hell does a tweet from FIVE DAYS AGO have to do with pyramids in Alaska, Steve? Or were you just looking for a place to jump in with accusations that aren't nearly as shocking as you want everyone to think again?

Jason Colavito link
5/21/2014 07:25:09 am

I wasn't referring to anything. I shared a link to an NPR story about the reason ice cream trucks adopted the watermelon version of "Turkey in the Straw," which they claimed was due to the use of minstrel music in early ice cream parlors. All I did was share a link to an interesting story; sharing links does not, obviously, imply endorsement of the writer's view. Steve omitted the link to make it look like I was independently ranting about racist ice cream trucks.

stve StC
5/21/2014 10:45:14 am

His Twitter account IS very much related to his blog. Go look at his Twitter feed - https://twitter.com/JasonColavito Quite correctly, Jason uses it to promote his blog posts to his social followers. It's good content marketing practice. Look under his name on the left, Varika - "I am an author, editor, and skeptical xenoarchaeologist investigating the connections between science, history, and speculative fiction." Same description as on his blog.

You're quite right, Varika - my comment has nothing whatsoever to do with this blog post. I will let it rest now. When he posts his next race-related blog post, I'l bring it up there. And by then the Tweet will be even older, but just as relevant to Jason's steady drumbeat of racists behind every bush.

I did not omit the link to make it look like you were independently ranting about racist ice cream trucks. You cannot read minds, Jason. I omitted the link because it wasn't necessary to make my point. Anyone can find your tweets on your Twitter account and follow the links there all by themselves, as I hope they do. I actually expect your acolytes to do some of the work themselves.


Jason Colavito link
5/21/2014 10:53:11 am

You'll notice Steve didn't mention my Tweet about the recent Macleans piece about the dumbing down of America.

steve stC
5/21/2014 11:26:11 am

Actually, as you posted your latest remark, I was reading through that article after scrolling down your Tweets. I have my opinions about why you linked to that as well.

Did you notice the section of their website that MacLeans posted that into? The "Politics" section. I'll post the link to it Jason, since you want to hide that from your readers so they don't cast a critical eye on your motives in Tweeting it.
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/america-dumbs-down

MacLeans also has a section of their website called "Education." Another called "Society." Wouldn't the article have fit better into either of those categories?

I find that choice of sections absolutely fascinating and very telling. Why did the article need to be put into their "Politics" section? Also, why is that the place Jason was reading? Shouldn't he be in the Society or Culture sections?

I love how they quote the Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions at Vanderbilt University, which is chaired by Larry Bartels. Co-Director of the center mentioned above. His - and their - politics are terribly clear. It seems Jason is drawn to read from people who share his political / societal leanings.

There's also a theme at work here in that these people, who are just so much smarter than the great unwashed, are here to save the ignorant unwashed from themselves. "If only they will put us in charge forever, we can correct all the wrongs in society."

Only Me
5/21/2014 11:51:36 am

Holy trees with dicks, Steve. The link to the Macleans article IS IN THE TWEET. How the hell is Jason "hiding" it from his readers?

Oh, I get it. It's so much more fun to lie through your ass, isn't it?

Jason Colavito link
5/21/2014 12:16:43 pm

I have trouble understanding Steve, frankly. He's mad at me because Macleans placed an article about the political consequences of unreason in the politics section? And that I have read articles in sections of magazines (Canadian magazines, no less) that he disapproves of? I imagine he fails to see the irony that he is looking to restrict me and delegitimize any views that disagree with him in exactly the way the Macleans article outlined for the bullying forces of unreason.

Steve StC
5/21/2014 02:05:32 pm

I'm not mad at you, Jason. I find it rather sad and juvenile that you see racists behind every bush.

My point about the MacLeans article you Tweeted is that it fits your wider narrative - you're here to save the great unwashed from their ignorance.

I'll not post any further comments on this… until, of course, you post your next race baiting post.

Only Me
5/21/2014 02:59:50 pm

"race baiting blog post"

Ah, that old chestnut again. It's ironic, Steve, because you obviously haven't been keeping track of how the TRUE race baiters feel about Jason.

Take, for example, the following comment from one Carltina Johnson:

"This is the biggest lie that I have heard because the Native Americans became "White" by intermixing with Europeans and having children by them. The Giants were found in the Americas were NOT WHITE, they were AFRICANS. So this blog is a lie", (my emphasis added).

So, Jason strikes out with the Afrocentic point of view.

Later, we heard from a Whitey1488, whose comment Jason had to delete, due to his vulgarity. Oh yes, I made a copy of THAT particular comment, coming from a Stormfront member. I'll leave you with his parting wisdom: "Visit MY site for real truth".

So, Jason strikes out with the white supremacist point of view.

I say it's ironic, because you accuse him of obsession, race baiting and seeing racists "behind every bush"...BUT...his observance and discussion of racism pisses off the Afrocentrists and white supremacists alike!

Oh, and FYI, Whitey1488 loves Scott Wolter, apparent by his fulsome praise of "The fact is, Scot Wolter is an educated brilliant WHITE scientist who has his own show". Notice the emphasis on "white"? When was the last time Jason offered an opinion of any fringe "scholar" due to the color of his or her skin? That's right...never.

John
2/22/2016 07:17:50 pm

I think this article was total shite and this Jason Colavito dude sounds like he's frantically attempting to blow smoke up his own ass.

SteveStC
5/20/2014 06:17:39 pm

Where I grew up, the song lyrics went like this:

"Well, I had a little chicky & she wouldn't lay an egg,
So I poured hot water up & down her leg,
And the little chicky hollered & the little chicky begged,
And the little chicky laid a hard-boiled egg!"

Is there always a racist behind that bush, Jason?? Keep looking. You'll find another. You'll have to look far beyond your stated goals. But your goals are expanding and blurring, aren't they !!

Damn evil ice cream companies! BTW, a diffusionist had and ice cream cone just last Tuesday. Keep a sharp eye out for Jason's next blog post about it here.

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Only Me
5/21/2014 09:26:21 am

Hey, Steve, can you explain to me (or anyone) why you assume Jason's Tweeter account must be limited to only those subjects related to the mission statement of his blog?

Why is finding any and every excuse to nitpick this site seemingly the only source of joy in your life? Like Varika said, that particular Tweet is five days old. Do you actually have a point to make, you fringe apologist, you, or are you keeping in fighting trim for the upcoming Trolling Olympics?

The Referee
5/21/2014 09:30:36 am

Steve St Clair strikes out again!!!!!

Steve StC
5/21/2014 10:33:28 am

Jason's Twitter account is directly and intentionally tied to his website via the "branding" green, the art, and the "about me" sort of message that all Twitter accounts have - "I am an author, editor, and skeptical xenoarchaeologist investigating the connections between science, history, and speculative fiction."

Finding any and every excuse to nitpick his website is not the only source of joy in my life. That's a cute statement "Only Me," but far from accurate.

Do I have a point to make? Yes, Jason's tweet reveals a great deal about him that he tries here to variously justify, deny, or obfuscate. He is obsessed with racial issues and regularly stretches the boundaries of credibility to pull his website's claimed topic into racial issues.

Only Me
5/21/2014 10:57:11 am

A Twitter (not Tweeter, da hell was I thinking?) account is not the same as a blog forum. There's absolutely no limitation, enforceable by any means, that disallows Jason from linking to articles or re-Tweeting messages that, in his opinion, are interesting.

Are you going to tell all the diffusionists you know that they can't link to or discuss any topic on their accounts that aren't related to diffusionism? No, I didn't think so.

As to the race issue, if it is a main component of fringe historical claims, then it is pertinent to the discussion, history AND speculative fiction. Since racism is so heavily embedded in many such claims, it's hardly his fault if it's necessary to understand how such claims came to exist.

Also, since you have trouble remembering it, Jason has a degree in anthropology. Anthropology, according to Wiktionary.com, is "the holistic scientific and social study of humanity, mainly using ethnography as its method"; and, ethnography is "the branch of anthropology that scientifically describes specific human cultures and societies". Explain how exploring and discussing the influence of racism DOES NOT fall under the purview of his area of expertise.

You really do prove Jason's point. You're LOOKING for reasons to be offended.

Steve StC
5/21/2014 02:40:07 pm

Really my last post on this -

It seems the author of the NPR article Jason tweeted got inundated with the same kind of reaction I had to it. So he felt compelled to write a follow-up, "Talking About Race and Ice Cream Leaves a Sour Taste for Some."

Link -
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/05/21/314246332/talking-about-race-and-ice-cream-leaves-a-sour-taste-for-some

It seems, even at NPR, people are getting tired of the sanctimony driving such thinly veiled race baiting. Maybe even over here at Jason's blog.

A few of my favorite responses on the NPR article -

"… re-opening old wounds and associating something as innocent as an ice cream truck song that 99.99% of Americans had no idea was at all associated with racism won't help this nation move forward in race relations."

and

""Moving forward means not combing everywhere for any historical incidence of racism that has been long forgotten to show we are all still racist today for allowing these nefarious ice cream truck owners to further perpetuate black faced minstrel shows"

and

"…any reasonable person would label the rant on the ice cream song as uncalled for, race baiting, and calling for racism where there isn't any."

and my personal favorite -

"When all you have is a hammer (critical race theory) everything looks like a nail (racism)."

Only Me
5/21/2014 03:15:18 pm

And not one shit was given that day about that comment.

Walt
5/21/2014 03:40:33 pm

Those comments on the NPR article reflect my opinion fairly well too. It's a shame intelligent discussion of the issues just cannot be had at this blog. Jason clearly does see race everywhere he looks and aims to protect those who he feels are less informed than he. He's also not very respectful of others during the process. He's right, he's always right, and he knows he's always right and he'll tell you why when you logically explain how he's wrong.

But, clearly, ice cream truck music excluded, some people are using these ideas to promote a racist agenda, so Jason raising the issue is appropriate in many cases. Occasionally, I think he goes overboard relating things to race, but other times, I feel he's providing a valuable service when he does so. It's a fine line for me, but a less-fine line for Jason and Steve (on opposite sides).

It's just a shame at this blog, someone expressing the above opinion, albeit using a different style, was met with the words "shit" and "dick". Those wishing to have an intelligent discussion should go elsewhere.

will
5/21/2014 03:53:07 pm

"Finding any and every excuse to nitpick his website is not the only source of joy in my life. That's a cute statement "Only Me," but far from accurate."

Now I am curious. On a scale of things that bring you joy ranked on a scale 1 to 10, where does nitpicking Jason's site fall?

SteveStC
5/21/2014 04:08:48 pm

I got a good chuckle out of that one "Will" …

It falls somewhere down in the negative numbers :)

Only Me
5/21/2014 04:16:30 pm

Yes, Walt, I used dick, shit and even ass. Clearly, your sensitivities are not foremost in my mind when I comment.

Hey, for someone looking for intelligent discussion, you sure aren't shy in jumping on the "bash Jason" bandwagon. I guess that's why your outrage is selective. I noticed your silence when Steve was calling Jason a "hateful, despicable, cowardly filthy race baiter".

It's okay, though. I understand you want to be seen as edgy, hardcore or cool. Too bad you're none of those things.

Steve StC
5/21/2014 05:28:02 pm

Uh Oh…. NASA book suggests that ancient rock art could have been created by extraterrestrials -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2634903/Have-aliens-visited-Earth-Nasa-book-suggests-ancient-rock-art-created-extra-terrestrials.html

I guess when MacLeans wrote the article entitled "America Dumbs Down" they were including NASA scientists.

Walt
5/21/2014 05:48:55 pm

So, disagreeing with Steve and saying that I think Jason sometimes provides a valuable service when discussing hidden racist ideas is hopping on the "bash Jason" bandwagon? Of course it is, because you're ordained in the cult and see eveything through Jason-colored glasses. Unbiased readers will recognize that as a compliment.

I see both sides. Sometimes I think Jason goes overboard with racism, sometimes I don't. Jason never thinks he does. Steve always thinks he does.

Only Me
5/22/2014 04:36:03 am

Actually, Walt, I was referring to how you so readily agreed that Jason sees racism everywhere. You followed that up by saying he's protecting those less informed than himself, which, of course, explains why he links to his sources so that his readership can peruse them for themselves. Then there was the sarcastic statement that he's always right, even when proven wrong. Tell me, Socrates, how and when have you proven him wrong on anything? Ever?

I love the cult inference, Mr. Intelligent Discussion. You tried that trumped up charge before and were duly warned about it. So nice to know that disagreeing with you is tantamount to cult behavior. Please inform me when intelligent discussion is due to arrive.

Walt
5/23/2014 01:21:15 am

Only Me, like I said I see both sides. I have good things and bad things to say about Jason. You have only good things. Steve and a couple others have only bad things.

Disagreeing with me isn't cult-like behaviour. Writing off a new show before it ever aired because Jason misread a press release, and then reading my comments as attacking Jason when I actually criticized him and complimented him in the same comment are what's zombie-like. Those are not things an independent thoughtful person does. That's all my cult references are about.

Steve raised a legitimate question about the discussion of racist ideas, and the NPR addressed it fairly well. The fact that you just can't acknowlege that, and are attacking me and using vulgar language, is disturbing.

Jason Colavito link
5/23/2014 01:30:10 am

I did not misread any press release, Walt. As you well know, the H2 promotional packet contained a factually-inaccurate description of the series "The Universe: Ancient Mysteries Solved" in which they stated that the Megalithic Yard would be a focus of the show. It was not, and that error is on the H2 press team, not me.

Walt
5/23/2014 01:45:33 am

I'd agree it was not a well-written release and didn't even seem to be written by someone who had any idea what the show really was. But, I managed to read it critically enough to not be fooled by it. I was familiar with the original show so I knew your comments and the release just didn't make any sense.

Despite the comments from others, my comments are always intended to make you a better writer and thinker. I may be tactless, but I never intend my comments to be in the same vein as the reverend or Steve. Unfortunately, we come from different backgrounds so I guess we'll never agree.

Only Me
5/23/2014 06:52:08 am

Yes, I see a lot of good in what Jason does. It's nice to see someone make the effort to counterbalance the fringe insanity. I read the articles, follow the links provided and do my own research, which is why I am intolerant of those who come here to demean and abuse not only Jason, but his readership.

You're hung up on my decision to not to watch TU:AMS because of Jason mentioning the press release. As has already been shown, the press release was misleading, and based on that, I felt the show would fall in the vein of other offerings, such as Unsealed: Alien Files or America Unearthed. I've already told you I've seen every episode and enjoyed the series. I'm willing to give a new show at least one viewing before making my decision, but the glut of poorly produced "alternative" shows has dampened my enthusiasm.

You know what I find disturbing? When someone tells me I'm a "zombie cult member", that I remind them "of a member of the Manson family member or of Jim Jones' church" and "It's tough to respect someone who never expresses an idea of her own". Those are not references, those are direct insults. That is not the language of someone who is interested in having an intelligent discussion. I can tone down my word choice, but you'll have to forgive me if I get a little passionate when certain individuals appear on this forum to continue their witch-hunts and propaganda. It is difficult, at times, to separate legitimate criticism from hate speech.

What you can't seem to acknowledge is Steve raising a ruckus over a linked article on Jason's Twitter account, because he is looking for any reason to find fault. I read the NPR article and placed it in the "huh, didn't know that" file. I think that was Jason's intent. It was never about starting a discussion on a headline focusing on the claim of a lost pyramid in Alaska. Any legitimacy to a question is lost when the charges of race baiting are trotted out. It's really lost when the same person making those charges also accuses Jason of hiding the link to an article from his readership "so they don't cast a critical eye on your motives in Tweeting it"...even though the link is clearly displayed, highlighted in green, below the headline.

I'm all for critical thought and insightful discussion, but I'm not the only one finding it too distracting to slog through all the commentary that is directly focused toward intimidating Jason and his readers. I thank you for not adding to the garbage pile.



Walt
5/23/2014 08:32:18 am

I did understand Steve was using that tweet just to raise a ruckus and find fault. I saw the tweet, rolled my eyes, shook my head, and didn't bother reading it. I probably would've found it interesting, but I'm suffering from a bit of race overload from this blog. If Jason had blogged it, hopefully I would've commented in the manner as quoted by Steve from the NPR comments, but they were probably better written than I would've achieved. I might've called him a name.

And in comparing you to a cult member, I only intended to encourage more critical thinking on your part, not insult you. I wondered why Jason didn't like the language at the time, but now I understand you two must not have much respect for cult members. I just think they need to be more thoughtful and critical in their analysis of ideas, and that was my only intended comparison.

But, as for Steve and the reverend, I enjoy their comments. other than the repetition. It's nice to see that not everyone here is obsessed with race. Filthy, despicable, race-baiter probably isn't the phrase I'd choose, but Steve's defending a personal friend who's been wronged in his opinion, so I'm not really in a position to judge. I probably would agree with him if Scott had stuck just to AU, but with the radio and internet appearances, it's tougher for me to feel sympathy for him getting snared in the racism talk. Jason could probably slap together a 150-page book, which is a lot, on Scott's connections to racism through appearances and ideas, even though he's not a racist.

But, I feel like you're adding to the garbage pile in responding to those posts without actually discussing the issues raised. I feel like they do have a valid points hidden behind their style, but it just gets lost in all the repetition of people stepping up to defend Jason, as if he needs it. I just see both sides repeating the same criticisms to each other, over and over.

As for the good in what Jason does, I'm still up in the air on that. He's certainly very thorough in his research, and I don't believe he ever intentionally misleads. But, he's obsessed with race and bizarre theories, two things I don't care much about. I'm most irked by his opinion that AA and AU shouldn't be on the air just because other people, who obviously aren't as well informed as he is, believe it. That's elitist and protectionist by any definition. I'm not attacking your friend by saying so. I'd just like to see him stop being obsessed with race and stop being elitist so I can respect him more. It's good that he's not obsessed with race in a negative way, but IMO it's not as good as not caring about race at all. Sometimes, I think there's a place for it since the negative race issues are still around and his work may help shape the thoughts of some who need it, but other times I think he's just focusing on race for no real reason other than to satifsy his own obsession.

Only Me
5/23/2014 09:23:15 am

Thank you for the thoughtful response.

I understand you would like critical analysis of topics, but if you look back at some of the conversations we've shared in the past, I think you'll find that perhaps you were too quick to judge. We've had productive discussion on race, for instance. I had equally productive discussion with others over many topics. I would prefer to have many more.

Perhaps I am adding to the garbage pile. Unfortunately, ignoring the rabble rousers only seems to encourage their bad behavior. I've chosen not to focus on the individual, but on the issues, as much as possible. One fellow implied Phil was devoid of common sense because he was a reverend. When I asked him to tone down his criticism, he said, "Okay, we've got believers in mystification here. Enough said". Phil himself has falsely accused Jason of blackmail, hate speech, a personal vendetta and maintaining "secret files" for the purpose of character assassination. I took issue with that, too.

I don't do this out of friendship. I'll say again...I don't know, nor have ever met Jason. I do this because such disruptive and abusive behavior is what led to Jason revising the comments policy. However, he is but one man, with other commitments outside this blog. It's discouraging to see other readers asking for bans because they're having trouble reaching the comments of those who wish to add something relevant and informative. It's more discouraging to see others admit they don't participate because they don't want to have to defend themselves from attacks. If being willing to confront the person responsible for such behavior makes me the bad guy, I'll take the blame.

As for Jason being race obsessed, I'll let his own words convey his thoughts on the matter, "I don't like talking about race, but it is where my analysis leads me. Even if I don't like the conclusion, I'm not going to wish it away just because it isn't pleasant. There isn't really any way around it since the origin of the ideas promulgated by fringe history is in Victorian racism".

I'm not sure he wants AA and AU off the air; I think he wants more responsible programming that isn't trying to pass itself off as something it is not. Or, preferably, have the above shows display a disclaimer that lets everyone know they're strictly for entertainment purposes only.

Walt
5/23/2014 05:40:30 pm

I appreciate your thoughts and we most likely agree completely in principal. Unfortunately, practice here seems to be another story, and I don't necessarily mean you.

I'll present another example that's not Steve-related and has nothing to do with racism so no hot-button issues. Jason lacks respect for others. I'm thinking of his introduction of a talking head as "the ignoramus Mike Bara". I could've commented at the time it was petty, disrespectful, and amateurish, but can you imagine the outrage if I had said that in a blog that others besides you are still reading?!? I'd be lambasted for attacking Jason, and labeled a supporter of Mike Bara, whoever the hell he is. And I'm sure I also would've received at least one response saying, "it wasn't disrespectful to call him an ignoramus because he really is an ignoramus, and let me explain to you why."

I'm not trying to hammer Jason. I just think he can do better, and it's frustrating banging my head against a wall of people who can't ever admit Jason has done something the wrong way, including Jason himself. I'll lay off, but I really was just trying to pierce the protective veil to get some valid criticism through. I think I expect more of Jason than he ever wants to be anyway. He loves being snarky and fringe history, so it is what it is.

deb
12/29/2022 07:25:58 pm

all bs as i see it. yes it will be really stupid.

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Mandalore
5/20/2014 07:36:30 am

Why would anyone cover this up if it were true? It would be awesome if there were a pyramid in Alaska, and it would generate a huge amount of attention that couldn't be suppressed.

As for the government coverup, there are too many people in the government to pull off this sort of thing for long I think.

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Shane Sullivan
5/20/2014 12:05:44 pm

Luckily for the government, only one person in the world saw the newscast.

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BD
4/17/2015 05:02:07 pm

All that remains of all of the ancient orders, including persons who appear to be merely elected officials, have an almost sacred obligation to hide the true history of our species and

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Dave Lewis
5/20/2014 09:05:12 am

Linda Moulton Howe was on Coast to Coast Am several times talking about the Alaska Pyramid. I'll see if I can get those episodes.

Disclaimer: I enjoy listening to C2CAM when the stories fall into my sphere of suspension of disbelief. Those stories are urban myths.

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Clint Knapp
5/20/2014 05:38:38 pm

Every time Investigative Believer Linda Moulton Howe recites her failed mnemonic device "Just remember I'm a reporter who files news about the earth!" to get us to remember her website (Earthfiles.com), I have to suspend my disbelief in alien experimentation on human subjects.

I have heard several of her Alaskan pyramid stories, and the legend just keeps growing as more people jump on the bandwagon to call her to express their agreement with the original Mutschler story.

There's also been a heavy "free energy" angle woven into the story that's almost certainly cribbed from Christopher Dunn. Unlike Dunn's powerplant, however, no water appears to drive the engine- just resonances with the earth and possibly underground crystal caverns lending the magical power of the fringe-thinker's woeful misunderstanding of the piezoelectric response to the whole case.

Linda's shows are always entertaining ones, but the things she claims on the shoddiest of evidence might cause one to seriously question the mental faculty of anyone who actually believes her. Remember, this woman made her name claiming aliens need cow rectums for genetic experiments.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/20/2014 10:02:48 am

I have some experience with geophysical testing, and I can tell you that you're not going to get a whole lot of information about near-surface structures from seismograph readings of a nuke blast in China. The first frequencies to damp out are the highest ones with the shortest wavelengths, needed to register near-surface objects (since you need a minimum of one wavelength between transmission surface and reflection surface, and between reflection surface and reception surface, to get any quality of reading). Long waves at low frequencies, which are great for deeper objects and longer distances, are not good for near-surface information for that very reason, and the "thump" you get from a nuke blast is going to have all sorts of noise you get in the transmission that the analysis team will have a very difficult time filtering out without some sort of pre-planning. The Chinese were unlikely to share their nuclear device's specifications, test rig, et cetera, so filtering all that out is difficult at best. Besides, a single thump from a single source measured at a cluster of geophones or seismographs not explicitly looking to do sub-surface mapping isn't going to produce the quality of data required to tell you there's a pyramid-sized anomaly in the nearest layers to the surface. For that, you need a deliberate test program designed to sweep that given area, and those are expensive (about the only people who can afford them on that scale on a regular basis, at least five years ago when I was messing around with this, are nuclear plant designers).

Short version: The science doesn't support the rumors.

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Paul Cargile
5/21/2014 02:59:55 am

I'm in the Non Destruction Inspection/Testing field in ultrasonics testing graphite composite aircraft parts (skins and framework sections) and what caught my was the claim of finding a pyramid inside a cavity. I work in the 1 to 5 MHz range with material usually less than a quarter of an inch thick and trapped pockets of air practically block sound, and you can't "see" what's behind it unless you test from the other side of the material. I image that with lower frequencies if you detect a cavern or some other cavity in the rock, you aren't going to see what's inside of it, unless you can send waves up through the rock floor.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/21/2014 06:22:37 am

You might get a vague boundary layer indication, but you're looking at a side projection, where the wave's been bouncing around since China anyway, so a lot of your signal has been attenuated out and you're looking at a very noisy result. So you're talking about pretty much the worst possible conditions for detecting a void. Normally if you're going to look for those, your geophone array is either gridded out, if it's on the surface, laid out as downhole sensors so you can pick up different responses at different depths, or ideally a combination of the two. In either case, the load is applied as close to on-axis with the sensors as you can get, to get the best signal/noise ratio. Soil and rock masses have a lot of inertia, so it takes a pretty good thump to transmit a signal through them. When you're doing it intentionally, you can do this with something like a semi truck with a multi-ton drop weight on the back, and you just repeat the pulse at the desired frequency. The shallower the response you're looking for, the smaller the weight and higher the frequency. Basically this is how oil fields are explored by seismic methods; you do that, then map out the surface where the response changes. Takes a lot of experience (which I admit I don't have, oil patch never interested me) to learn to read the returns, and if you're not looking for them in the first place, you're not going to see that material interface. I could go on about this all day, and honestly I didn't mean to ramble as much as I had, I just don't get a lot of chances to talk about it.

Dave Lewis
5/20/2014 11:17:08 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_frTdqu6rds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k145U_KyeM

Two of Whitley Streiber's Dreamland shows with Linda Moulton Howe talking about the Alaska Pyramid. Like all spooky tales, it just keeps growing and growing!

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Mr. Black link
4/7/2022 01:30:45 pm

If the Alaska Pyramid exist it is old, very old, over 3/4 billion years old. If this pyramid is ever uncovered, it will challenge all our science including our understanding of human origins.

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Pat McGee
12/6/2022 01:12:31 pm

Alaska (part of USA) certainly the USA has tested investigated & recvd their answers one way other re: black pyramid. NASA will not comment & further discuss hidden pyramid.

Joe
5/20/2014 05:18:55 pm

Funniest part is how his being military intelligence ends up having nothing to do with anything. Local news breaks the story and even the bit about the government erasing the story comes not from his intelligence channels but from some low-level local TV station employee.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
5/21/2014 06:27:04 am

And there's only one orderly room in all of Ft. Richardson...

Funniest part, to me at least, is that at Ft. Richardson, this could be really easily verified, because the people who are the geotechnical (including seismic) experts for literally the entire US military from Alaska to Korea are stationed on the other side of the installation. That's where the Corps of Engineers Alaska district office is, and they're one of the few places in the government that, last I checked, ran their own testing labs. In '92, they CERTAINLY would have been interested in something like this, and it would have at the very least made the base newspaper, since that was a period of drawdowns and base closures, and anything that generated mission awareness for any unit or organization was a good thing to that unit or organization.

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Purple Wyrm link
5/21/2014 12:35:53 am

Reminds me of Childress's claims of a pyramid (also detected seismically) 5km beneath Perth Western Australia. It's too deep to dig up but nonetheless is known as "The Lost City of Asteroth". Apparently.

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Graham
5/30/2015 06:34:19 pm

I know people in Perth (Western Australia) and they've never heard of this one, sounds like someone overdosed on Lovecraft.

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Dave Lewis
5/21/2014 09:39:52 am

LMH was on Coast to Coast AM on 2012-07-26, 2012-08-30,
2012-09-27, 2012-11-29 and 2012-12-29 talking about the Alaska Pyramid. After the first interview on C2CAM she was contacted by ex-military guys who claimed to have worked at the pyramid site or flew airplanes to a landing strip next to it. It's interesting how these tales keep on growing.

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AE
5/22/2014 07:21:32 am

Then there is always the crystal pyramid underwater in the Bermuda Triangle. I am surprised that Howe does not appear to have picked up on that.

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seen
10/1/2014 01:07:08 pm

Reports of the Alaska Pyramid appeared in new papers in Vancouver BC circa 1992 - 1993.

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BillDee
4/27/2015 12:03:23 am

Your convoluted attempts to "unexplain" this are just as bad or worse than Howe's. lol

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Not a Bot
9/5/2020 02:46:49 am

Jason, thank you for your sane manner of bravely sharing answers to help educate and guide people to the truth of matters. You’ve taken on the difficult task of correcting misconceptions in a world of many gullible people who don’t know what confirmation bias means or why they should not rely on their brain’s perception of reality. The comments are quite some years ago but the Alaskan underground pyramid story still prevails even though it’s been debunked long ago. The new fringe group as of this writing is QAnon and I bet Steve StC is a follower of its religulous conspiracy theory about an orange narcissist false prophet they adore who is playing stupid to outwit evil pedophiles. Q is Dinesh D’Souza of course but the joiners of QAnon most likely don’t know who the heck he is or will like him based on their shallow outlook of POC. Also, Steve StC and others trolled you unnecessarily as certain tunes are indeed racist and are now becoming banned from playing on ice cream vendors’ trucks.

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Bill Owens
9/15/2021 06:44:14 pm

Sanctimonious liberal cant not appropriate here (we're inundated with this crap enough as it is.)

By the way, this idiot couldn't shine D’Souza's shoes intellectually , or any other way. The real fantasy is that more than 80 million people voted for a lifelong sub-mediocrity political hack with a cerebral degeneration disease who hid basement.

Another left wing fantasy is Q-anon, or whatever the hell they call it. I never met anyone associated with this group and I doubt they exist other than some CIA psyop front that gives meaning to the lives of sad liberals.

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Steve is a moron
3/11/2023 06:40:14 am

I saw some dumb ass alien show about this pyramid and found this excellent article debunking the entire thing.

and unfortunately I fell down the Steve rabbit hole.

Wow.

Steve sure is scared af about people exposing racists.

It's okay dude.

I'm sure the sweat soaking your hood and robes will wash out when you bleach them again.

Anyhow. Thank you for writing this article. It saved me some time trying to figure out wtf these alien morons were talking about.

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Hia link
3/16/2023 06:54:52 pm

The book Atlantis & Its Fate In The Postdiluvian World mentions this possible pyramid. It would not be far from the possible site they found by Kodiak Island near the shoreline of the Younger Dryas.

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