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"America Unearthed" New Season Clip: Bees Are the Key to Finding the Holy Bloodline of Jesus

10/1/2014

67 Comments

 
As part of the lead up to the new season of America Unearthed, which has been pushed back to a November premiere date, H2 has begun posting trailers featuring Scott Wolter’s trip to France. The first clip features new graphics with glowing lines forming spidery webs of “connections.” At Troyes Cathedral, Wolter and his friend Steve St. Clair (identified in the on-screen graphics as “Scott Wolter’s friend” rather than as an expert) discuss the fleur-de-lis, the lily which symbolized royal France. The clip, which is only two minutes long, is so jam-packed with misinterpretations and falsehoods that it will take several paragraphs to untangle. 
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Wolter explains that the fleur-de-lis, despite its clear derivation from a stylized image of a lily (and hence its name) instead could be a symbol of the Trinity. St. Clair adds that the fleur-de-lis was used by French royalty, which is true though incomplete. It was associated with a wide range of royal and noble families across Europe and indeed even beyond. Wolter then asserts that the fleur-de-lis is possibly a stylized bee, but this is not something that has wide support. Instead, the claim was most famously made by modern Rennes-le-Chateau speculators, derived from the work of the seventeenth-century French antiquary Jean-Jacques Chifflet. In his Anastasis de Childeric (1665), he fancifully argues that the French symbol derived from the heraldic device of Childeric, based on evidence of 300 gold “bees” found in the Merovingian king Childeric I’s tomb, opened in 1653. However, Bernard de Mauntfacon, in his Monumens de la Monarchie Françasie (1729), demonstrated a few decades later that the so-called bees were in fact studs used in the clothing of horses. According to other heraldic authorities, bees were not used as a heraldic device until the 1600s, long after the fleur-de-lis was in wide circulation.
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Childeric's bees as drawn by J. J. Chifflet: Note that they do not have a prominent abdomen corresponding to the center petal of the fleur-de-lis.
All of this is complicated by the fact that Mauntfacon was probably wrong and the bees were in fact used on Childeric’s cloak, though not likely as a symbol of the king since heraldry had not yet developed in its medieval form. All but two bees (or cicadas—it is unclear) were destroyed by thieves in 1831. However, there is no evidence that bee symbols were used consistently (or at all) between Childeric and the first royal French use of the fleur-de-lis in 1336 on a coin of Philip VI de Valois—two decades after, incidentally, the suppression of the Templar order.

Udo Becker, writing in the Continuum Encyclopedia of Symbols (2000), endorses the bee theory of the fleur-de-lis, but most other experts in symbols do not, except for the cranks who write about Merovingian conspiracies, citing Chifflet. The bee had been an early Mediterranean symbol of the female divinity in the Mycenaean period (Potnia) and was associated with death and resurrection among the Mycenaeans (tholos tombs) and the Hittites (Telepinu myth), and prophecy as well for the Greeks (Homeric Hymn to Hermes 555f.) and Hebrews (Josephus, Antiquities 5.205). But this seems to have fallen out of favor before the end of the Classical period, and certainly after Childreric, not to be revived in France until Napoleon struck upon the bee as a substitute for the fleur-de-lis upon his assumption of the imperial dignity, though prominent on the arms of the Barberini in Italy.

Wolter says that the fleur-de-lis “does kinda look like” a bee when thinking of a bee facing head downward, and St. Clair vocalizes a “mm-hmmm” in agreement, followed by a “very much.” I don’t see it myself. It looks a lot like a lily to me.

Following this Wolter points to a statue on the cathedral of Bernard de Clairvaux, who the on-screen graphics bluntly and falsely claim “founded the Templars to keep the secret of Jesus’s bloodline.” Not only is this the most explicitly false statement that the show has yet made—no facetious qualifiers here!—it also flagrantly violates the old publishing rule that classical and biblical names ending in “s” do not take an extra “s” after the apostrophe in the possessive.

Wolter claims that Bernard used the beehive as his symbol and thus ties it to the fictitious beehive of the fleur-de-lis. The beehive had been a metaphor for all monks and for the church itself since the time of St. John Chysostom in the fourth century CE (see Homilies on the Statues 12). As far as I know, the beehive symbol was applied to Bernard after the fact, as a visual reminder of the Latin adjective used to describe his rhetoric--mellificuus, or honey-sweet. Steve St. Clair asserts that the “queen bee” of Bernard’s hive was Mary Magdalene, which goes against the explicit medieval identification of the beehive with the sweetness of the Virgin Mary, the heavenly queen—as, for example, in the fourteenth century writings of St. Bridget of Sweden, who in the years after the Templar suppression explicitly has Mary say “when you greeted me, you compared me to a beehive” and call Jesus the “Blessed Bee” (Liber Caelestis 6.12, trans. Denis Searby). So, if the bee is a “secret” symbol of Jesus, the Church certainly failed to “suppress” it since its saints wouldn’t shut up about it. But sorry Mary Magdalene, the beehive isn’t your symbol.

This leads to a discussion of Rosslyn Chapel (“of Da Vinci Code fame,” Wolter helpfully reminds us) in which St. Clair asserts that the top of the chapel contains the “oldest known example of a manmade beehive” which the bees entered through a hole in the center of a decorative stone rose. This is only partially true. As the BBC reported in 2010, the beehive itself was constructed by bees, but the tiny space they filled had been thoughtfully carved for them by stonemasons in an inaccessible part of the chapel’s roof. As the article itself reported, beekeeping had been going on for centuries. (The Egyptians had the first known artificial beehives around 2500 BCE, according to Egyptian wall art depictions, though the combs within were built by the bees. Similarly, actual remains of clay and straw artificial hives were found in the Levant dating back to 900 BCE.) What made this hive different was the fact that the space for the bees was inaccessible and impractical—it was for the bees, not for humans. For the record, the first artificial honeycomb, which I think is what Steve was getting at, was invented in the 1700s.

Wolter says that the Rosslyn five-petal rose represents a five-ray star and thus is the symbol of “the goddess, i.e. Mary Magdalene.” Wolter then asserts that the fleur-de-lis ties into this as an “important” symbol, despite not being a bee and despite the ancient goddesses not using a five pointed star. Ishtar and Astarte, for example, had an eight-pointed star—the famed Star of Venus—which was only stylized into a five-pointed star relatively late in the Islamic period, where it appears alongside the crescent moon as a symbol of Islam. The eight-pointed version was still current as late as 1963, when it still appeared on the Iraqi flag. 
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Ishtar's eight-pointed star on an ancient carving.
By contrast, the pentagram—five pointed star—was associated with the cosmos (Pherecydes of Syros), was a symbol of Pythagoreanism, served as a Christian symbol of the five wounds of Christ, and served as an alchemical symbol of Solomon (see Sir Gawain and the Green Knight 2.27—another fourteenth century work that makes problematic the claims of Scott Wolter!). It is pointedly not associated with goddesses or women.

Frankly, he should have stopped while he was ahead—real research rather than reading conspiracy books would have uncovered the old Mediterranean goddesses like Potnia and the Thriai and the priestesses of Apollo, Artemis, and Demeter who were all associated with bees, a much stronger connection to Wolter’s imaginary Magdalene-goddess conspiracy than a fanciful carving of a rose atop Rosslyn Chapel.

Of course, the rest of the episode might well make mention of these things, but H2 chose not to include them in its clip to promote the supposed truth the show is uncovering.
67 Comments
Shane C
10/1/2014 02:58:39 am

If Wolter's going to make a bee/beehive connection to the Knights Templar, you might as well try to tie the Mormons in there too since they used a honeybee theme. Their proposed State of Deseret was named after their word for honeybee and the beehive symbol is used all over Utah, it's even on the state flag. Considering Mormons believe in Pre-Columbian trans-Atlantic colonization, you would Wolter would try to latch on to some their ideas. While he easily could, I don't think he will. The Mormons belief in the lost tribes of Israel coming here may conflict too much with his Templar idea.

However, one has to keep in mind that many cultures developed the use of similar symbol independently from each other. Trying to find a collection between every single one of them seems like pure speculation

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spookyparadigm
10/1/2014 03:32:46 am

Exactly what I was going to suggest.

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666
10/1/2014 07:30:42 am

Mormons believe Jesus Christ was married during their early existence to bolster their belief in and practice of polygamy (although nothing can be traced directly to founder Joseph Smith, only to his closest chums)

That's why Mormons have toyed with the Jesus bloodline theory from time to time

EP
10/1/2014 04:57:48 am

Somewhere on his blog, Wolter alleges that he's been contacted by the Mormons who are very interested in having their religion featured prominently on the show. Wolter remarks: "Be careful what you wish for."

Probably just running his mouth, but still...

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Clint Knapp
10/1/2014 05:19:54 am

Scott's work has been prominently featured in Mormon Apologetics before. Check it:
http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/feature.php?id=9

That was 2010, but they hit all his classics. Pretty sure Jason's blogged on the Mormon embrace of AU before,

Not the Real Scot Wolter
10/1/2014 04:28:45 pm

Thanks for the ideas! I'll use them in my next book!

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J.A Dickey
10/1/2014 04:27:25 am

This has to be within the TOP TEN list in terms of Jason's
best blog-pieces. It is correct about the Medievals, able to
weave thru intense 1600s French logic contemporary to
Descartes and finally hands us an insight about bees and
beehives. Jason should have linked to the thread here
where Steve St. Clair talks about his bloodline. The back
and forth exchange that looks at haploid groups & the like.
Rereading it had me wanting to DNA test Arthur St. Clair
for what his auld Revolutionary bones would say. Its sorta
neat the guy who was our president right before Gen'l G.
Washington was a Scot! Kudos to Jason! Excellent blog!!!
And to think St. Patrick could have opted not to have a
shamrock be a way to respect the Trinity, instead he could
have been like the French! Bees, flowers, and metal studs!

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666
10/1/2014 04:52:28 am

>>>possibly a stylized bee, but this is not something that has wide support

This has been buzzing around in the Rennes-le-Chateau community for years.

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666
10/1/2014 04:55:22 am

The Bee is the "sacred symbol of the Merovingians" because 2 or 3 ornamental bee jewels were found in the grave of a Merovingian Monarch.

Bees are among the many symbols within Freemasonry.

Of course, Merovingians = Freemasonry = Rennes-le-Chateau = Priory of Sion

Conclusion = secret to the meaning of the existence of the Universe. Both physical and spiritual, and make up more profound meanings as and when they come

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Byron DeLear link
10/1/2014 04:58:22 am

Couple observations. Liungman and Zehren link the five pointed star to Ishtar, Venus, Inanna, etc. primarily due to the roughly five pointed form created when tracking Venus across the 360 degrees of the zodiac.

Also, I think it’s its overreaching to criticize the use of the possessive s, as in “Jesus’s”—after all, Stephen King and the Chicago Manual of Style both support this version of the possessive.

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666
10/1/2014 05:10:38 am

Of course, the 5 pointed star is a bit of a problem, since it really should be the hexagram, the 6 pointed star that is the symbol of Judaism = the Royal Bloodline of Jesus

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Byron DeLear
10/1/2014 05:38:06 am

Why do you say it should be the six pointed star? I don't follow you.

666
10/1/2014 05:43:43 am

>>>Why do you say it should be the six pointed star? I don't follow you

The Hexagram is the symbol of Judaism, not the Pentagram

Byron DeLear
10/1/2014 05:53:16 am

"The Hexagram is the symbol of Judaism, not the Pentagram" ummm. Yeah.

So I still don't follow you. AU is following a narrative in pursuit of the goddess archetype with various vessels and forms including Magdala, Venus, Ishtar, Astarte, Inanna, etc. Obviously, some of these figures predate Judaism and the Seal of Solomon by millenia. Both the five pointed and eight pointed star symbol have been associated with "the goddess," and that's what Wolter et al is exploring.

EP
10/1/2014 05:54:55 am

Byron, not following 666 is a sign of good mental health. Congratulatons! :)

666
10/1/2014 06:19:51 am

Following the Jesus Bloodline is to do with the Hexagram to do with the reasons I have outlined - but - but - but - gee, fringe occultists can wander from discussing parchments to colanders, hence the association between Mary Magdalene and the Goddess. There are no "boundaries" if it involves "thinking out of the box"

666
10/1/2014 06:21:40 am

>>>Byron, not following 666

EP, such a quaint believer in mainstream dogmas and positions

Byron DeLear
10/1/2014 08:25:17 am

Okay 666, you seem to be stepping back your earlier statement that ,"Of course, the 5 pointed star is a bit of a problem, since it really should be the hexagram"

--- if you've been following AU closely, you'd know that the goddess archetype that is being pursued in multiple episodes (ala Dan Brown's "Sacred Feminine" etc.) clearly pre-dates Judaism; forms an underpinning for much neo-Gnosticism; speaks to the rise of women's rights, gender equity, and ecological stewardship (Mother Earth, Gaia, also covered in AU); and is a forthcoming project and the subject of study for Wolter's wife; therefore, the pentagram as a symbol linked to the goddess archetype is absolutely appropriate and fair game. The traditional Seal of Solomon and its links to Judaism may be attached to the Jesus Bloodline meme, but due to the goddess frame, misses the mark of where AU is headed, and certainly IMHO does not trump the exploration of the pentagram as you suggested with "the 5 pointed star" being "a bit of a problem."

666
10/1/2014 10:21:01 am

>>>you'd know that the goddess

Sure, I know all that, please don't remind me
There is no connection between Rosicrucianism and The Red Cross

If you can understand that much - you should be able to tell the difference between reasonable logic and the rubbish being peddled by Scott Wolter

J.A Dickey
10/1/2014 05:16:02 am

its 20th Century

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J.A Dickey
10/1/2014 05:18:05 am

Jesus's = 20th/21st Century

true... its more layman than divine.

666
10/1/2014 05:20:11 am

The earliest Jewish usage of the symbol of the Star of David (hexagram) was inherited from medieval Arabic literature by Kabbalists for use in talismanic protective amulets (segulot) where it was known as a Seal of Solomon

666
10/1/2014 05:25:10 am

Gee, the Priory of Sion only really dates (according to the myth) from the time of Godfrey de Bouillon, major butcher of Jewish men, women and children who established an anti-Semitic state in Jerusalem during the Crusades.

And who was it who founded the Priory of Sion in 1956? Pierre Plantard - anti-Semitic Gaulist and supporter of the Vichy regime of France during World War 2. An admirer of Paul Le Cour, another virulent anti-Semite - who, despite his racism - believed in the establishment of the state of Israel where Jews from all around the world should emigrate to.


Jason Colavito link
10/1/2014 05:23:12 am

Funny you should mention the Chicago Manual. Up to the 15th edition, it still recommended the traditional omission of the final "s," but the 16th edition removed the traditional exception. However, many other style guides still retain the Classical and liturgical exceptions.

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EP
10/1/2014 05:52:47 am

I have a dream... of the day when English punctualtion makes logical sense... We're not there yet, but any victory for uniformity brings us closer... :)

666
10/1/2014 08:30:12 am

I'm the number one proponent in the world of getting the facts right even if the syntax presenting those facts is all mucked-up

EP
10/1/2014 12:36:13 pm

Aw, 666, you silly sausage...

An Over-Educated Grunt
10/1/2014 06:07:26 am

You know, it's really hard to claim "bees are evidence of a sacred feminine bloodline suppressed by the Catholic Church" when one of the emblems of the Pope himself is, you guessed it, a beehive. If the Church is suppressing the bloodline, it's apparently doing so by owning the symbol outright.

On a related note, as Jason mentioned, bees have been associated with monasticism for as long as there've been organized coenobitic monasteries. Bees are, as I recall, equally associated with Benedict of Nursia as with Bernard of Clairvaux, as much for their industry as for their outputs. But then, hearing "bees are a symbol of hard work and cottage industries" isn't near as fun as hearing "bees are a symbol of the sacred feminine that THEY don't want you to know about!"

Of course, they really missed the bus on an attempt to bring the Great Beekeeper Conspiracy out in the open by neglecting Napoleon. As I recall "Bonaparte" comes from (and feel free to correct me) "di buona parte," or "of good parts," implying a certain quality in the bloodline, and Napoleon used the bee as one of his personal symbols. Coincidence? Not when you take it in conjunction with the death of Louis XVI and the man who supposedly cried "Jacques de Molay, thou art avenged!" Clearly this was all a plot to restore the rightful family to the French throne! Just look at the bees, that's all the proof you need!

Anyway, this was a good enough post (well, this and "giants all the way down!") to bring me out of semi-permanent lurking. I have to admit I'm getting tired of Rosslyn, magical Jesus bloodlines, and giants, though. Can't imagine how you feel, writing the same blog post over and over. Is there nothing new rattling around in the collective H2 fringe's heads?

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666
10/1/2014 06:23:05 am

>>>You know,

You know, the Queen is the Head of the Hive.
The Goddess.

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/1/2014 09:26:12 am

Ah yes, a reminder of why I quit posting. Thank you.

EP
10/1/2014 09:40:32 am

I'm relieved that it wasn't because I'd pissed you off...

Glad you're back, in any case! :)

An Over-Educated Grunt
10/1/2014 10:04:09 am

Yeah, I'm back. I'm trying to avoid our friendly local here, or Brother Phil's Traveling Man-Crush Show, though. After a while it just feels like yelling the same things over and over to no result. Though I admit that the recent anti-psychiatry rants were entertaining (and I should point out - social sciences are young sciences; hard sciences were just as hit-and-miss between about 1500 and 1800).

666
10/1/2014 10:16:49 am

>>> anti-psychiatry rants

Psychiatry is as subjective as religion and both "disciplines" should be flushed down the toilet.

Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Biblical Scholars - what a burden on the taxpayer - all subsidised with extraordinary grandiose salaries and for what?

So they can all strut about spewing hogwash and humbug that has the constituency of runny jelly and cannot even be demonstrably tested

And we laugh about Witch Doctors in the Bush

And we have goofball quackery being taken seriously on our very doorsteps.

666
10/1/2014 10:27:41 am

Then again, nothing can be done about absurdities that have fossilised themselves into the social strata of the U S of A

Only need to watch Robert Redford's film "Ordinary People" to see how trendy psychiatry became within American culture several decades ago and I guess the same situation exists today.

The point still needs to be raised - some people just don't have any free will, and take-in any old nonsense.

Only Me
10/1/2014 05:16:01 pm

666, you're so wonderfully deluded.

Oh well, absurdities take all forms.

For example, Scott Wolter calling the fleur-de-lis a "stylized bee" is reminiscent of the AA crew calling stylized fish and insect jewelry, or the Saqqara Bird, proof of ancient people knowing about airplanes.

Kal
10/1/2014 07:46:51 am

In the fictional movie, The X Files, Fight the Future, the main villains, the oil aliens, harvest killer bees to make a deadly corn oil, and never use it again in the series.

In the fictional and horrid remake of Wicker Man with Nicholas Cage, bees are used against him by the villagers.

In the film Jackass, Johnny Knoxville pours bees into the sunroof of a limo with his friends inside. In the next one, Steve-O covers himself and his friend in allegedly killer bees just for fun.

These prove that the Maravinchian line is real because one of the Jackass guys is Mormon.

Well it makes about at much sense as all of this bloodline and bees thing.

SW, it's a lily!

Even Dan Brown said his book is a work of fiction, which was borrowed liberally from another work decades before, called Holy Blood, Holy Grail.

Maybe they should cast Nicholas Cage if they do a TV movie of Chariots of the Gods? someday.

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666
10/1/2014 07:50:35 am

>>Even Dan Brown said his book is a work of fiction

Fiction based on fact

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EP
10/1/2014 09:43:16 am

I'm kinda shocked it took hours for someone to mention X-Files and Wicker Man.

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Shane Sullivan
10/1/2014 08:20:36 am

"the pentagram ... is pointedly not associated with goddesses or women."

Well, it sort of is in Wicca, that ancient tradition dating all the way back to the 1930s.

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666
10/1/2014 08:28:31 am

There's an obscure alchemical MS that links Mary Magdalene with the pentagram, this is another obscurity - not presented as an obscurity - that has become a "well-known fact" - the link between Mary Magdalene and the pentagram

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Byron DeLear
10/1/2014 01:03:25 pm

The abstraction that is known broadly as the "goddess archetype" referring to Inanna, Ishtar, Astarte, Venus, etc. has connections to the pentagram as reported by Liungman and Zehren whose works have been translated into English. As previously mentioned, astrologers tracking the movements of Venus over the zodiac as contrasted with the Earth's position frame a five pointed figure that if made linear is a pentagram. The eight points of the Star of Ishtar can also be ascribed to astrological considerations. Venus takes a journey dancing inside the Earth’s orbit making its way around the zodiac returning to its original position after eight years. These eight points frame the iconic Star of Ishtar symbol. IMHO these are not merely symbols but rather a kind of astronomical formula.

Jonathan
10/1/2014 10:05:23 am

Napoleon used the bee as a symbol, which was a prominent part of 1st and 2nd Empire symbolism. I don't see him wanting to use symbols associated with the Bourbons. He (understandably) seemed to prefer to go back further in history to borrow symbols.

http://www.napoleon.org:81/en/essential_napoleon/symbols/

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666
10/1/2014 10:11:10 am

>>>Napoleon used the bee

Let's forget all about the eagle, the central aspect of Napoleon's coat-of-arms

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An Over-Educated Grunt
10/2/2014 06:58:44 am

My God! You're right - the eagle, the same symbol used by the Habsburgs, the Romanovs, the Duchy of Brandenburg and the Kingdom of Prussia both under the Hohenzollerns, the East Romans, the Romans before them! Philip K. Dick was right, the empire never ended! It's clear evidence that Bonaparte was the product of a Romanov-Habsburg-Hohenzollern conspiracy! It's an attempt to restore the Roman Empire and establish a New World Order superstate in Europe!

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Pacal
10/1/2014 12:45:28 pm

I just don't get this fixation on the bloodline of Jesus. Even if Jesus had a child or children his descendants today would number in the millions. And frankly by the time the Templar order was established in the hundreds of thousands at least. So just how would they select what members of the holy bloodline to guard and protect?

It is perfectly ludicrous.

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EP
10/1/2014 12:58:54 pm

I know! I keep making the very same point because it pisses me off way more than it should and I need to vent!

(Not to mention that we have no record of Jesus's DNA...)

Someone needs to make a parody of it. Call it "In Search of the Bloodline of Adam" :)

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Not the Comte de Saint Germain
10/1/2014 08:14:58 pm

Well, you know logic doesn't enter into it. I think there are two reasons. First, the bloodline concept plays on an age-old cultural emphasis on ancestry and the special significance of particular families. This way of thinking has mostly gone by the wayside as monarchies and aristocracies die out, but it still shows up sometimes – e.g., the continuing fascination with political dynasties in the US (Kennedy, Clinton, Bush). Second, if Jesus' secret children, or whatever organization supposedly kept the secret, have been shaping history for the past 2,000 years, it allows the theorists to feel like they're defying religious dogma while still clinging to the belief that Jesus was overwhelmingly important.

EP
10/2/2014 07:48:35 am

Well, not sane logic, at least. I get the "natural history" of the phenomenon, so to speak. But it still a pet peeve of mine.

Cathleen Anderson
10/1/2014 01:26:42 pm

Scott Wolter really is good at seeing what he wants to see and not the alterntives.

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Only Me
10/1/2014 04:17:07 pm

Apophenia is a helluva condition.

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Snarkenstein
10/1/2014 04:37:45 pm

So maybe this season we'll have a subplot of the bromance between Scot & Steve?

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EP
10/2/2014 02:21:10 am

All jokes aside, it's a possibility. Steve StC has been awfully silent recently. As much as I'd like to take credit for trolling him off the blog, I suspect it has to do with AU/H2 placing a gag order on him to avoid the liability of even a semi-regular cast member acting the way he was.

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Matt Mc
10/2/2014 05:48:42 am

I doubt a gag order is in place, he will show up just give it time.

Jonathan
10/2/2014 04:53:30 am

What I was trying to say, although not very clearly, was that if the bee and fleur-de-lis were related symbols, Napoleon would not have used the bee.

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CHV
10/2/2014 10:58:04 am

Frankly, this upcoming AU episode sounds more boring than anything - which for Wolter is a big step-up from what he usually delivers.

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Sinclair
10/5/2014 05:01:36 am

J,A Dickey..........says

Jason should have linked to the thread here
where Steve St. Clair talks about his bloodline. The back
and forth exchange that looks at haploid groups & the like.
Rereading it had me wanting to DNA test Arthur St. Clair
for what his auld Revolutionary bones would say.

Interesting that you mention DNA. I have posted on StClairs dna before,guess no one listens

Gen Arthur St.Clairs bones have not been tested, nor have any of his descendents. BUT we do know the paper trail of this Arthur and he descends from George 4th Earl of Caithness Sinclair. He shares this common ancestor ( George the 4th Earl ) with John Sinclair Lord Thurso of Caithness. John Sinclair Thurso has been dna tested so in theory we have Gen Arthur StClairs dna . This DNA is in no way even close to Steve StClair who other than has the name has nothing to do with the Sinclair family.

We should be talking bull sh-t not bees

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Miss Sinclair
10/5/2014 12:53:07 pm

AWK! Please do not suggest any more Nicholas Cage or Harrison Ford type movies that suggest Templar or Masonic order conspiracies with a connection that frequently leads to the Sinclair name. Crazy type aficionados continue to come out of the woodwork attempting to connect with the name Sinclair. I've am tired of my historic old family name being connected to rubbish "Mission Impossible" type movies and this sure does ncludes "The DaVinci Code". Finally whenever first hand primary proof is uncovered about Prince Henry Sinclair, then we can believe he even existed, until then he is a fairy tale or aficionado's dream.

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Byron DeLear
10/5/2014 04:01:08 pm

Aren't there Sinclair family members that promote these stories and connections? I don't follow it too closely, but I seem to remember Sinclairs being interviewed in some of the Da Vinci Code inspired documentaries, etc.

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Miss Sinclair
10/5/2014 04:59:27 pm

Seeking after worldly glory and fame, perhaps some do promote themselves and some are believers of slick web sites or other t.v. shows and writings but it is all rubbish. One needs proof to make this type of claim. Scotland does not allow the random digging up of the deceased to test their DNA for a supposed genealogy reason. Just about impossible to ever get a permit to start disturbing the grave of someone from the 1600s or prior years in British Isles. None of these people no matter what last name they carry have or can get to any primary source of information. Therefore if not from a primary source it would not hold up in a court of law. As for the Mormons toying with the Jesus blood line theory from time to time, perhaps an individual who terms them self a Mormon does this. But bottom line is that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints never has wasted time to do that and statements made by 666 regarding this church, it's founder and members are simple unfounded gossip and vicious rumors. Hey read The Book of Mormon, copies are free from the missionaries, and they can explain all about their church to you. Meeting the missionaries is a primary source of information. If you don't want to do that stop knocking the members of that church. This site has a lot of gibberish posted, I am delighted that Colavito is able to stick to the subject at hand.

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EP
10/5/2014 05:40:29 pm

Why on earth would anyone want to meet with Mormon missionaries?

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Miss Sinclair
10/6/2014 06:13:29 am

Then don't meet with a missionary from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, it is your choice and I made that clear in my post. All have the right to choose not to learn. Very sad one would want to continue unknowing what the faith truly teaches and believe ignorant nonsense gossip about this church.

EP
10/6/2014 06:33:01 am

Missionaries of how many different faiths have you learned from?

If you give me your address I can arrange for some to come over to your house :)

Denu
10/5/2014 08:08:41 pm

please read the following link:

http://drakenberg.weebly.com/medieval-legacy.html

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Jerky
10/5/2014 10:12:42 pm

What exactly is Scott's claim about the fleur-de-lis? I'm having a hard time understanding that whole fleur-de-lis part of this posting Jason, and it has me concerned as a former Boy Scout and retired ASM with the Boy Scouts that Scott might attempt to drag the BSA into his crap (seeing as the generic Boy Scout Class A uniform has 8 to 10 buttons with 4 fleur-de-lis on each, and a purple patch with the fleur-de-lis despaired in the center. And that is just the tan dress shirt of the uniform.) as some kind of secret sub chapter of the knights Templar or that there all goddess worshipers. (I'd love to see ole Monsignor Jack of Epiphany of the Lord Catholic church out of Katy Texas debate that with the good Rev. Phil when it happens (seeing as hoe BSA Troop 1146 is based out of his Church and most of its members participate with that churches functions.)

I just don't fully understand what the fleur-de-lis has to do with any thing seeing as it is a common symbol that has been in use by numbers of groups from the French to the British, to the Boy Scouts (founded by Robert S. S. Baden-Powell, a British war hero who served in Africa) to wealthy men like the founder of Phillips 66 gas stations. I guess I just find it hard to understand why some one would make a big deal out of something of such little importance that is so commonly used. It would be like stating that all Okies worship the American Bison because the Oklahoma State Capitol has thousands of bison engraved into the cement of every bridge and along the highway side of sound barriers, and a statue of a Bison in 30% of all the small towns scattered across the state (My own home town in Oklahoma has 3 such statues, one in the town center, on at city hall, and one at the high school). How can any one still be buying into his crap?

I may not be the smartest guy out there, and I don't spell thing right some times (more thin just the common typos) But even an uneducated, lazy, high school drop out, like my self, can smell Scott';s bull crap from a mile away.

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Lynn Brant
10/9/2014 01:23:26 am

I know I'm late to this party, but something about this reminds me of the Oreo.

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Chris
10/10/2014 05:17:11 am

I don't really know if all of Scott's stuff is lagit 100% however I will not lie I like watching his show along with others from these channels and I keep an open mind for anything.

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LisAMAlonzo link
11/9/2014 12:10:51 pm

At least people are asking questions and not just settling for the BS history lessons in public education. #OpenUPYourEyes

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    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
  • The Library
    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
          • Horapollo
          • Al-Maqrizi's King List
        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
          • The Three Hermeses
          • Kore Kosmou
          • Corpus Hermeticum
          • The Asclepius
          • The Emerald Tablet
          • Hermetic Fragments
          • Prologue to the Kyranides
          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
          • Prologue to Ibn Umayl's Silvery Water
          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
          • Aurora of the Philosophers
        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
        • Fragments of Panodorus
        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
      • Lost Civilizations >
        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
            • Timaeus
            • Critias
          • Fragments on Atlantis
          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
          • Eumalos on Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
          • Further Responses to Termier
          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
          • The Lost City of Paititi
          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
          • The 1885 Moberly Lost City Hoax
          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
        • Oronteus Finaeus Antarctica Map
        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
        • The Parahyba Inscription (Hoax)
        • Mound Builders
        • Gunung Padang
        • Tales of Enchanted Islands
        • The 1907 Ancient World Map Hoax
        • The 1909 Grand Canyon Hoax
        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
        • Toledot Yeshu
        • Peter of les Vaux-de-Cernay on Cathars
        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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