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America Unearthed's Zuni Elder Is an Ancient Astronaut Theorist, Believes Aliens Have Underground Base 

12/30/2013

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Today I’d like to talk about Zuni elder Clifford Mahooty since I did not have the time to explore his background in sufficient detail in my review of America Unearthed S02E05 (about an alleged 1909 discovery of an Egyptian city in the Grand Canyon, drawn from an Arizona Gazette newspaper hoax). It really deserves its own post anyway. I keep making the mistake of giving America Unearthed the benefit of the doubt, and I need to learn that every single thing on the show is completely misrepresented, and usually fake.

I think it’s important to begin by stating up front what I just discovered: that Clifford Mahooty is not exactly what the show portrays him to be. While he is in fact a former Zuni official, he is today best known as an ancient astronaut theorist and has appeared on Ancient Aliens to discuss “star beings,” Pueblo gods he considers space aliens who genetically engineered the Zuni. Needless to say, traditional Native American beliefs do not include the idea that humans were genetically engineered by magic space beings from another dimension.

Mahooty travels the “alternative” science conference circuit promoting fringe science topics ranging from UFOs to hollow earth theory to mystical healing. Mahooty believes that Zuni myth records star gates that lead through hidden dimensions to a civilization deep in the hollow earth. He believes that the Tibetans colonized Zuni lands, and that a UFO crash-landed on the Zuni reservation in the 1930s. (I added a brief acknowledgement of this and a link to this blog post to my review so it is on record there as well.) America Unearthed failed to disclose Mahooty’s lucrative business in promoting extraterrestrial Native “mysteries” on TV, on radio, and at speaking engagements, just as it failed to disclose Harry Hubbard’s financial involvement in the Burrows Cave affair.

So let me repeat: The very first Native American America Unearthed ever chose to speak with is an ancient astronaut theorist who believes that the government is covering up the truth about ancient aliens who have a secret base in the hollow earth and frequently abducted the Zuni to take them to other planets.

Worse, even after using the testimony of a man who is punch drunk on fringe science claims (he admits to being a big fan of fringe science books, especially UFO books), they still failed to get him to say what they claim he said. I noticed at the time that the interview had been heavily edited, and I guess we now know why.

In the episode, Mahooty tells Wolter that the Grand Canyon is sacred to the Pueblo peoples as their place of origin, “where our forefathers and ancient ones came out of.” Wolter asks if the Zuni creation myth talks about mysterious caves, particularly the one with Egyptian artifacts. Mahooty responds:

In our spiritual teachings, there are actually rooms inside the Grand Canyon and there’s several passageways, so that parallels with some of the history about the early 1900s and also about some of the treasures that a lot of Indian tribes talks (sic) about.

Note that even Mahooty won’t say that actual Zuni oral histories say anything about the alleged 1909 Smithsonian expedition. Wolter asks what’s in the caves. Mahooty responds:

I’ve heard a lot of different stories from different tribes that talk about these treasures that are supposedly in there. But then I heard about a pyramid that’s supposedly inside the Grand Canyon.

Note that Mahooty states this as secondhand information. The story of the pyramid he doesn’t even attribute to other tribes, but rather to something he’s “heard,” almost certainly from tourists influenced by David Childress and David Icke. Scratch that. He heard it directly from David Childress, with whom he conducted an exploration of the Zuni reservation for evidence of Tibetans, as per the 1909 newspaper hoax, and aliens.

Wolter, however, does not pick up on the secondhand nature of this testimony and paraphrases Mahooty as confirming that “oral stories” confirm the existence of a “city” and “pyramids” in the Grand Canyon. Mahooty does not correct him but instead expresses his own belief in Childress’s myth-making:

I absolutely believe in that because there’s been a lot of different crossing of different cultures in this part of the world. It’s my understanding that there’s a lot of Egyptian-type relics and artifacts that were taken from inside the Grand Canyon.

Note again the passive voice. Mahooty isn’t providing independent confirmation of Native American knowledge of Egyptians in the Grand Canyon. He’s repeating what people (specifically Childress) have told him based on the 1909 newspaper hoax! He never once attributes any of the “Egyptian” mysteries to actual Zuni oral tradition.

Mahooty finishes by telling Wolter that he believes many treasures and artifacts of past civilizations remain in the canyon—undoubtedly true since excavations of ancestral Pueblo sites continue to this day.

Note, though, how Wolter purposely twists Mahooty’s words, first to support the idea that Native American oral histories confirm the 1909 article—which Mahooty never said—and then to make a bizarre claim Mahooty never implied on camera:

At the Grand Canyon I heard from a descendant of some of Arizona’s earliest inhabitants about encounters with ancient travelers from the East. It’s a story echoed by the earliest European explorers, who found clues to an Egyptian voyage that I think the government may be covering up.

None of that was in the episode itself, and there is no way to judge this seemingly bizarre assertion since the producers excised whatever “evidence” supposedly supported it. As a point of fact, Native Americans do preserve oral histories of contact with the Spanish, but there is nothing in the anthropological literature about contact with Egyptians. By contrast, Mahooty is on record claiming that the “travelers from the East” (the Kachina) are space aliens:

The original visitors were the actual beings that came from different parts of the universe. The way that they used to come here was that, and I’ve stated this many times, it’s like that “Star Trek.” Remember when they, that beam me up Scotty type thing?

He also claims that the aliens routinely abduct the Zuni. Funny how these claims, which Mahooty always delivers in his remarks, according to a review of recordings of his speeches, didn’t make it to broadcast on America Unearthed, falsely giving the impression that Mahooty is more credible than he is. Other Zuni elders disagree with Mahooty’s fanciful UFO interpretation of Zuni mythology.

This is yet another example of America Unearthed purposely leaving out important information to misrepresent speakers’ views and manipulate the narrative.

30 Comments
CFC
12/30/2013 02:05:24 am

Well done Jason!!!

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carol Christoffel link
11/29/2015 05:14:38 pm

While you have a well written post on this subject you are greatly mistaken in your conclusions. I have been talking to people, ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE, from many races and cultures for most of my life, especially Native Cultures. And here is the bottom line: Direct contact with star beings is a relatively rare event. However there are stories that in VIELED language refer back in antiquity to mankind being genetically altered by starnations. These stories predate Christianity and are in Africa, S.and N. America and Polynesia,Middleeast and so on. Generaly most tribes do not discuss it much with outsiders.Even with the stories not everyone in the tribe had the same experience thus majority did not have it.Due to genocide, repression and forced Christianity many have lost interest in those stories.However there remains an interesting simularity of tales globally indicating that SOMETHING happened prserved in oral history. In the NW i know of a tribal story of a peapod washing up to shore with people inside, in the midwest tribal history it was a clamshell with maidens inside, In another tradition it was "ant" people referring to small people with big eyes.....And so it goes. In the Bible it is in Genesis. I also talked to a reporter from a middleeastern tribe who stated his people also believe they were "from the stars" and return there after death.....So wrong there in implying this is pure made up. Second. I Do know of tribal Elders that claimed they TRADED with Egyptians and others long before Colombus was ever heard of . Additionaly there is some evidence of Ancient Gaelic words intermixed on the ecoast and some evidence of Minoan culture reaching them. There are copper artifacts in Britain that directly come from the Great Lakes Region of the U.S. So there is much more evidence to this than you realize.Trading in Ancient times was far more complex than generally believed. However as much of the info is gaurded and in the hands of fewer and fewer people your chances of getting some straight answers is growing slimmer and slimmer.Keep an open mind.They still can't find the modern type relics although they can track tons of our ancient ancestors and know now that they interbred far later than we thought. Who or how did the "new" type of man get introduced?

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mellie mellier
6/29/2016 01:31:53 am

Oh..not to mention that I have problem with kidney....probably and I will need to operate...I bet he had the same problem with kidney...I feel he is one beautiful person :)

mellie melliet
6/28/2016 09:33:03 pm

When I was teenager I had exactly the same vision as Mahooty.Only I saw red not orange beam.And electricity went on.....I was overage child.......that thing I saw on photos of Mars....here on net....thats some wonder that is close to Mars....it must have to do with expanding spirit

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Michael Haynes
12/30/2013 03:57:10 am

Thanks for the background on Mahooty, even though I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a genuine Native American viewpoint, but it's obvious that his point of view has to come with a large dose of salt. But this is the reason I read your blogs -- you do the research and tell the truth. Maybe America Unearthed will accidently air a legitimate viewpoint, without a hidden agenda, in a future episode, but now I'll have to pay even closer attention to it.

By the way, I've seen some H2 promos on a new series about the biggest money-pit of all: Oak Island. Personally, I think I've seen enough about that not to watch a whole series on it (I think even Scott had enough of it when he went there last season). I had hoped that airing Big History, which came on right after American Unearthed and was actually a fascinating show, that there might a change in H2 programming, but I guess I was hoping for too much.

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Varika
12/30/2013 02:03:32 pm

Big History isn't all that great, either: it oversimplifies a lot of history and also makes connections that are tenuous into something much stronger than they are. (Specifically, they have a strong tendency to make links causative that are more like "both caused by another thing over here.") I can't give you specific examples off the top of my head, but I remember noticing it throughout the marathon that was on over the weekend.

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A. J. West link
12/30/2013 04:09:45 am

The Zuni-visited-by-Tibetans thing is nuts. I was contacted about a year ago or so by the anthropologist Alice Kehoe, who has a thing for pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contacts. I had ridiculed a book by Ethel Stewart on the idea that Athabascan speakers were originally Tanguts fleeing the Mongols, and Kehoe took exception to the mockery, deserved though it clearly is. She apparently believes it likely that Sino-Tibetan-speaking people colonized the Americas in the last millennium, something invalidated by the total and utter lack of evidence. I wrote about it here:
http://alwestmeditates.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/pseudoscience-western-xia-become-navajo.html

So it's a relatively common fringe claim, far from unique to Childress, Mahooty, & co.

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Gunn Sinclair link
12/30/2013 05:16:17 am

I looked this lady up, anthropologist Alice Kehoe, and I see that she has done a marvelous job of bridging some of the "fringe" thinking with the professional, academic, anthropological, archaeological, history world. Already, I admire this lady, as I see from the quick Wikipedia reference that she is a believer in the KRS. One can't get much "fringier" than that, I suppose, while still holding impressive credentials as a professional in her chosen field. Her work with Native Americans is very impressive, to say the least.

Since coming to this blog several months ago, I've noticed a disconnect between what is expected or hoped for as input from Native Americans, and what we see. In other words, we want to give as fullest measure of credibility to Native Americans as we can, while still seeking to distinguish what may be helpful or instead hurtful to the particular history hunt we are on.

Of course America Unearthed using the Zuni Elder to bolster their show's claims about The Grand Canyon was quite reprehensible, I thought...though it did serve to stun Jason somewhat, I guess. This reminds me of the need for historians to somehow catalogue Native American stories, myths, accounts, histories, etc., into something comprehensive. What is believable and what is not?

This may seem rude on the surface, but if we are seeking truth in history, then the job must be done. For example, many Native origination stories involve rising up from the earth of the Americas, when we know that everyone came here from somewhere else. No humans sprang up from American soil, or from caverns, or from a connection with the sky and American soil. Next, we need to move to what is most believable, and enter those accounts into the Native American history database.

Sooner or later, we will come to cataloguing the accounts of those Native Americans who migrated from the Vinland area on the East Coast (say, Maine), to the western Great Lakes area, where they disrupted the Eastern Dakota Natives. If I'm not mistaken, aspects of this migration are recorded on surviving birch-bark scrolls. All of this information should be entered into the database.

Jason can start the database, with future considerations in mind. All the "best" and most scientifically "truthful" accounts would be entered. Then folks could look for pertinent Native American input at the snap of a finger...political correctness would never be easier. But more importantly, we would have available a GOOD ANTHROPOLOGICAL RECORD of all pertinent Native American viewpoints, to compare one to another for specific details of history. This way, we may learn more about Glooscap, and possibly even Henry Sinclair.

(That should do it to get the debate going.)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Beck_Kehoe

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A. J. West link
12/30/2013 05:42:11 am

Yeah, Kehoe's relatively famous. But you know, when I showed her the evidence that Sino-Tibetan and Na-Dene are not related; that the time depth is too shallow to account for the differences between Tangut and Navajo; that the archaeology supports no such migration; that sand-painting tells us nothing, or next to nothing, about ancient migrations; that proposed iron use in the Pacific northwest had more to do with the Thule migration (itself inspired by Norse trade in the American Arctic) than the Mongols; that even the genetic evidence is against her; and that I'm not an ideologue opposed to all possibilities of trans-oceanic contact (accepting both Polynesian arrival in South America and the probable Dene-Yeniseian connection), well... she stopped emailing. I think she's given up the claim.

I mean, she's definitely on the fringe, but she's knowledgeable and, in some ways, a capable scholar. It's sad that she's willing to accept demonstrable fictions if they support pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contacts, but everyone has their blind spot, I expect. Hers is bollocks like the Kensington Runestone.

A. J. West link
12/30/2013 05:42:19 am

Yeah, Kehoe's relatively famous. But you know, when I showed her the evidence that Sino-Tibetan and Na-Dene are not related; that the time depth is too shallow to account for the differences between Tangut and Navajo; that the archaeology supports no such migration; that sand-painting tells us nothing, or next to nothing, about ancient migrations; that proposed iron use in the Pacific northwest had more to do with the Thule migration (itself inspired by Norse trade in the American Arctic) than the Mongols; that even the genetic evidence is against her; and that I'm not an ideologue opposed to all possibilities of trans-oceanic contact (accepting both Polynesian arrival in South America and the probable Dene-Yeniseian connection), well... she stopped emailing. I think she's given up the claim.

I mean, she's definitely on the fringe, but she's knowledgeable and, in some ways, a capable scholar. It's sad that she's willing to accept demonstrable fictions if they support pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contacts, but everyone has their blind spot, I expect. Hers is bollocks like the Kensington Runestone.

A. J. West link
12/30/2013 06:29:22 am

It probably would not be wise to go through the ethnographic record looking for trustworthy myths. It is never immediately obvious which myths are accurate oral historical traditions and which are elaborate but meaningful fictions. Any attempt to do so has to a) presuppose that some of it is true (which it might not be) and b) come up with some kind of uncontroversial way of determining what would count as a true myth and what wouldn't. The only way I can imagine is to compare it with the archaeological, linguistic, genetic, and ethnographic records. Oral history can be good evidence, but that doesn't mean you can go through myths and select what you believe to be true and separate it from the rest without good reasons coming from other evidence streams. All you'd end up with is a list of things that support whatever a priori position you have, and I can't imagine that that would be helpful.

Discovery of America
12/30/2013 09:46:50 am

Like all believers, Alice Kehoe's got no proof that the KSR is genuine.

Gunn
12/30/2013 11:41:27 am

No, A. J., you missed the boat on this one. Jason would determine what is good and trustworthy information to be entered into the database.

You are right about having all the ancillary occupations of science helping. Jason will compare ALL of the information in Thy Great Computer before determining what is or is not worthy for inclusion in the database...kind of like winnowing the Bible down to its present, traditional, acceptable form. Jason is capable of doing the job, and he can write another book on the subject. It would be called something like, "Discovering Truth Within Native American Histories."

I don't know why, but I suddenly remembered a line from that "Have Gun--Will Travel" song: "A knight without armor in a savage land." It must be something subliminable....

Jason Colavito link
12/30/2013 11:59:05 am

Unfortunately, Gunn, I have no magic crystal ball that can determine whether an oral history is historically accurate. That can only be determined through examination of other lines of evidence, at which point the oral history itself is no longer the primary piece of evidence. Nor would measuring oral histories against today's knowledge guarantee reliability; new evidence might cast tales in a new light at any time.

Discovery of America
12/30/2013 12:21:33 pm

I Believe is useless. Only facts are of any value

Gunn
12/30/2013 01:45:58 pm

"...new evidence might cast tales in a new light at any time."

Yes, yes, and then the tales can become real, occasionally.

Jason, I was just being facetious about your potential Native American story worth-ability assignment. Of course, it is next to impossible to separate out what is worthwhile, historically, and what is not, within the Native American offering. That's a problem to explore, just for the reason that some inputs are credible, and shouldn't be overlooked just because other inputs may not be so credible. We want to know the difference between truthful information and fantasy within the Native American inputs.

And then there is the "fringe" within the "available information" that must be dealt with, such as in the case of the Zuni Elder. Could that have been done on purpose, in your honor? Probably just ironic coincidence.

Only Me
12/30/2013 03:19:48 pm

" 'A knight without armor in a savage land.' It must be something subliminable...."

Only if you ignore the name of the main character in Have Gun-Will Travel. It was Paladin. And no, at no time were there any hints of him having a connection to either the Freemasons or Templars. Excellent show, though.

Jason Colavito link
12/30/2013 12:56:42 pm

Thanks for the link, A. J. I admit to being ignorant of the sheer volume of different claims for Tibetans and/or other central Asians in America. There's just too much fringe history to keep up with!

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12/31/2013 12:23:23 am

I'm not sure there are many claims of that nature, but Na-Dene, or Athabascan, does show a link to the Yeniseian languages, which are a small family of language centred in Siberia. The link isn't undeniable, but it is reasonably persuasive, and some geneticists have claimed a link between speakers of Ket, a Yeniseian language, and Na-Dene speakers. So there really does seem to have been some kind of movement between Eurasia and the Americas in relatively recent times.

And as some Yeniseian speakers actually did ride horses and shoot composite bows like other central Asian nomads, and as they did actually attack Chinese towns, there is the temptation in some minds to ascribe the connection to this kind of aggression and militarism, which isn't remotely plausible.

And the Tibetan invasion idea comes, I'm sure, from Stewart's book. It's exactly the kind of misunderstanding I'd expect from the use of terms like 'Sino-Tibetan'. I don't think there are very many claims of this kind of contact, and I suspect they're diversifying from Stewart's claim as it gets garbled by the fringe.

A.D.
12/30/2013 09:36:55 am

Damn Jason just yesterday I was watching videos of this dude Clifford Mahooty and could tell he was one of those New Agers.I really hate how the New Age clowns are taking advantage of Native American cultures.I see this with many Mexican and Central American indians also who are being exploited by these frauds.Some are even tapping into the New Age and I guess to make money but it's really a mockery of their heritage.Being Central American and have studied mesoamerican studies I can tell you these new age "mayan shamans" don't know what the fuck they are talking about and are making it up.Damn what a mockery to mayan heritage.Then there's that Mexican ufo/alien guy (don't know what's his name) who's already a fraud.He's been around for years

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A.D.
12/30/2013 09:58:26 am

Just type in his name on google and you'll be taken to a bunch of links to new ager websites and with new age.clowns dressed up in stupid clothes.Damn this is disgusting

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George Kelley link
12/31/2013 01:38:40 am

I was skeptical of this guy immediately as I thought I had seen him before. I actually sit with my tablet and google the so-called experts on the show as I watch. I think this should be labeled as entertainment and be clear that it is all speculation or in some cases complete falsehoods. While entertaining for people who know, too often I hear teens repeat some of this garbage as real history or science. It is almost criminal.

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LynnBrant link
12/31/2013 03:00:27 am

"Histortainment" perhaps?

(doesn't that just beg the retort "distortainment?") :)

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Pam Mahooty
4/28/2014 08:11:33 pm

Clifford mahooty is not only a fraud but he is a liar as well. He was part of a medicine society but his stories of aliens and profiting and misinterpretation of zuni legends got him kicked out of his medicine group. So he is no longer can be called a medicine man. He is not an elder he may be old but he does not have any authority to be called a tribal elder. He was shunned for practicing black magic and has now taken refuge in phoenix, twisting and misrepresenting his tribe to cater to white folks with the same misconception and money.

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E.P. Grondine
6/16/2015 08:34:54 am

Thank you for this information.

It is sad to see this, and I know it must be difficult for you.

The black magic is particularly disturbing.

Do you know when he became involved with David Hatcher Childress, and how that came about?

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Dulce Base link
4/18/2016 11:21:55 pm

Although this is an old comment, I am hoping you see this. It is true that the white man is using Mahooty for their own purposes. I witness this myself as Mahooty was parroting what he was told by a man name Christopher O'brien. If you are his family, I'm concerned about his mental health. This white men will not care about him when he is too old or no longer of use to them. Please post if you see this message. :)

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Beate Nilsen
11/11/2014 04:56:08 am

Mahooty’s lucrative business ~ you're an ass. Clifforrd has a pension from being an engineer all his life. He served in the military as well. Yr purpose in defacing Clifford is reprehensible. ALL native peoples believe they come from the stars, as do the shamans of Africa and Australia, I.e oldest peoples. The Mayan pyramids at Teotihuacan hold Pleiadian language glyphs etched into the walls belowground. There are petroglyphs showing space people all over this planet.

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Nathan link
1/23/2015 01:53:05 pm

So here's my short spill after stumbling on your debunking. There's two sides to every story. What would be real cool is if this article was more of a q and a with this Zuni dude and then it would be a little more credible on your part as well! I cannot explain two UFO sightings I've witnessed in the passed year - One near Dulce and one on the Southern Utah state line. They got me so obsessed with this subject to the point of starting a Utah UFO Festival. I know the difference between an airplane and a triangular object rotating in the sky like a wagon wheel turning. There's a clear difference and I grew up going out into the hills never seeing anything until the passed few years. And I've been out to Zuni and zeveral other places on other Pueblo Reservations and all over the Navajo nation. Add me on Facebook... I'll help you network with a lot of people. There's a lot of people who believe in people from the stars. Also, I don't know this mahooty dude, but I have reason to hold your whole article with a grain of salt as well...

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tim tempest link
2/6/2015 10:27:36 am

Haha he actually believes we humans arent the cleverest beings around..He actually thinks there are space visitors..as if!Clearly if there were WE would know! Because we know everything,right?

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Dove
7/31/2019 05:00:47 pm

This feels like an unfair attack on Mr. Mahooty. I just heard and spoke personally with him at the 35th Annual Native American Gathering in Lincoln, VT, where he was an honored presenter. His views may be even outside what some traditional elders can hold, but there are clearly other such elders who value his views and his courage at speaking about non-mainstream information. I find the disrespectful and dismissive tone of this article quite disturbing.

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