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"Ancient Aliens" Gets Stoner Spin-Off Series; Plus: Chinese Artifacts in Regency Ireland

7/12/2016

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I can’t take it anymore. You might remember back on April 20 when A+E Networks tried to improve the ratings for their disappointing Viceland TV channel by having Action Bronson smoke weed while discussing an episode of Ancient Aliens from sister network History projected behind him. Well, Viceland liked what they saw and commissioned a full series of Bronson’s marijuana-laced reflections on his favorite episodes of Ancient Aliens. The show is “pretty much the best thing that was ever created by man,” Bronson said, forgetting that Ancient Aliens clearly explains that only aliens create things. The remixed version of Ancient Aliens begins airing on Viceland next week. The network made a deal with Nielsen to prevent the company from reporting the channel’s ratings, which media accounts say are among the worst in cable television
Pop culture is dying a slow death if Ancient Aliens produces a spinoff series devoted to vulgarian potheads sitting around rhapsodizing about their love of Ancient Aliens.
 
Meanwhile, I discovered a story I had never heard of, but which caught my attention. I was formatting some material from John Warre Tyndale’s three-volume account of the island of Sardinia from 1849, because it covers the legends of the giants and their tombs on the island, when I discovered a bizarre footnote about ancient Chinese seals found in the bogs of Ireland on page 218 of volume 2:
Some curious seals were recently found in the bogs of Ireland, with letters cut in them, which were at first pronounced to be Phoenician. They were subsequently laid before that accomplished oriental scholar, Sir George Staunton, Bart., who considered many of them to be Chinese seal characters, which are quite different from the ordinary Chinese letters. He obligingly favored me with an inspection of the impressions, and, on a comparison of them with the Phoenician alphabet, as given by Gesenius, a resemblance to them could, in some instances, be found, and also to some of the letters in these inscriptions at Cagliari, though not corresponding sufficiently to warrant the identity of the characters in the Sarde and Irish relics. The similarity is merely a coincidence, for the seals, from their general resemblance to those actually in use in China, have been, with great reason, supposed to have been brought from that country, though how they found their way to the Irish bogs is an unsolved enigma.
This is certainly an odd situation. I learned that these seals began turning up in Ireland starting in 1780 and continued to turn up down to the 1860s. In the 1830s, the odd findings began to attract scholarly attention. Scholars at the time were baffled by the small, square ceramic tiles, which appeared to be impressed with archaic Chinese characters from the most ancient of times. In 1839 Joseph Huband Smith called the world’s attention to the seals, and he placed their date at the sixth century BCE. Other scholars proposed a wide range of unusual explanations, typically that they had been brought to Ireland by the Celts or the Phoenicians when these peoples colonized the country. A Mr. Edward Getty published an entire book on the subject.

As Imre Galambos explained in a 2008 article in the Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society, 
All along, the emphasis was on the extent to which these artefacts corroborated Ireland's ancient connection with the Orient, an idea that was believed and promoted at the time by both Irish nationalists and English imperialists. Both sides, albeit from a different standpoint and driven by different motives, saw the Irish as a distinctly non-European culture, whose ancestors must have originated from distant lands far beyond the perimeters of western civilisation.
The controversy simmered for several decades, and in 1868 W. Frazer published an article in the Proceedings of the Royal Irish Academy in which he made the most salient of observations on the discovery. He noted that these seals were never found in association with any other ancient artifacts. “The invariable story of their find is what we might expect if they had been accidentally dropped, at no very distant period, in or near the localities whence they were afterwards unearthed.” He was, however, unable to explain how the objects came to Ireland.
 
The seals had a weird afterlife. Charles Fort, at the end of chapter 11 in the Book of the Damned, scoffed at archaeologists for not being able to explain them, and he implied that they had fallen to Ireland from a great height, perhaps from an airship. (Actually, his exact speculation is that “extra-mundane” space aliens got into a wreck and lost a shipment of “loot” overboard.) Harold T. Wilkins used the seals as evidence of a Chinese voyage to Ireland in the diffusionist Secret Cities of Old South America. The seals later appeared in 1980 on Arthur C. Clarke’s Mysterious World and made an appearance on Gavin Menzies’s website as evidence of Chinese travel to ancient Europe.
 
No one knows for sure how the seals came to Ireland, but there is good evidence that they are not ancient. The seals are made of porcelain, which was manufactured in China only after the seventh century, and in large quantities only in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Some have speculated that the seals were included in tea shipments smuggled out of China against the monopoly of the British East India Company. Others suggest that they were intentionally placed and possibly fabricated by a Romantic to create an “ancient” mystery. Neither suggestion has found much support, however, and the ultimate origin of the seals remains unknown. But if it is true that they date from the 1600s or later, I am not all that interested in where they came from given that China was not exactly terra incognita​ at that point.
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E.P. Grondine
7/12/2016 01:13:55 pm

Hi Jason -

Thanks for your note on these materials- it may be that there was an an ancient X mt DNA population of mariners on Sardinia.

I would probablytry to examine the Sardinian seals separately from the Irish ones - Smith was no slouch, nor nuts.

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Clete
7/12/2016 01:40:02 pm

Viceland channel, from what little I've seen of it, seems to be searching for an audience. When I've stopped while surfing the channels and taken a look at their offering I wonder who would actually watch this stuff for longer than fifteen seconds, which is usually the amount of time I stay with them. Stoned pot-heads babbling on about episodes of Ancient Aliens doesn't seem to me to be something most people would want to waste their time watching.

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Scott Hamilton
7/12/2016 01:40:08 pm

Maybe related, maybe not. I was tracking down the source of a sea serpent/U-boat story that is all over the web (not the U-28 one, which is a story told by an actual German captain, but another one), and I found out it came from a book I remember from my childhood. I acquired a copy, and it turns out that the book is full of clearly fake sea serpent stories alongside the real ones.

By far the fakiest story in the book was about a "Japanese junk"(!) captained by a man named Tokugawa(!!) that sailed up to the coast of Ireland in the late 18th century(!!!), with an Irish monk aboard(!!!!) and tried to sell mermaid corpses to the locals. I wonder if the author might have been inspired by the story of Chinese seals, even if he didn't seem to understand that Japan and China are two very different countries.

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Jean Stone
7/12/2016 07:27:46 pm

That is a delicious find you have there. A Japanese ship of a type they didn't build, at a time period when they were just starting to do long-distance ocean travel (and made LOTS of news doing it), allegedly captained by a man with a name you'd think someone in Japan might have noticed sailing around the world and commented on, with an Irish monk who was... what, hitching a ride up the coast for fun? I thought I'd heard all the crazy fringe theories and stories about Japan but this one's new to me.

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PaulN. link
7/12/2016 09:12:55 pm

Several "red flags" immediately popped up after reading this.
1.) The name Tokugawa was the name of the Shogunate in charge of Japan during the Edo period.
2.) Japanese trade and travel were severely restricted at this time. Outgoing trade was limited to certain areas of China and Korea; while incoming trade was limited to the Dutch and Chinese through Nagasaki. So there were no far ranging trade missions at this time.
3.) Due to the exclusion laws in force at this time, it seems highly unlikely there would be an Irish monk on-board. The Japanese authorities were particularly suspicious Christians (especially Catholics) and considered them to be a disruptive and dangerous menace.
Altogether, this more like something you would see in the old World Weekly News, right under latest about Batboy and next to the discovery of a 747 on the moon.

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Kathleen
7/12/2016 02:44:26 pm

I was trying to find pictures of these seals when I came across a reference to "Notices of Chinese Seals Found in Ireland" by Edmund Getty, presented to the Belfast Literary Society in 1850. Now, I have to admit that I am not going to wade through the document but maybe someone else would be interested.

I love the term "extra-mundane"! Use it some more in the future.

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Ken
7/12/2016 03:03:37 pm

I wondered what they looked like also - are the symbols dyed into the porcelain? in which case the dye could be analyzed. Are the symbols scratched or stamped? Has Scott Wolter done a forensic analysis yet? apparently he can divine the age of a scratch in a rock, or in this case, porcelain.

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Kathleen
7/12/2016 03:20:30 pm

I was curious about the red ink as well. I cannot imagine that it would survive being buried in an Irish bog. But the images were not well identified so I wasn't sure if I was seeing the actual seals being discussed.

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Time Machine
7/13/2016 04:17:34 am

Lots and lots of similar fakery within Christianity Kathleen,
The Turin Shroud, the bogus references to Christianity in Josephus, the claims about a historical Christ in the Gospels that were obviously created during the second century. Then there are all the Christian relics, none of which are really authentic.

The reference to Jesus Christ within the alleged work of Tacitus did not exist before the 15th century and is unknown in antiquity.

The fakes and forgeries within Christianity can match anything discussed on this Blog.

Carl Morrey
7/12/2016 05:19:14 pm

There is this site that has some images of the tiles without wading through lots of documents and has some links to relating blogs/articles.

http://thewildgeese.irish/m/blogpost?id=6442157%3ABlogPost%3A55685

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Bob Jase
7/12/2016 02:45:44 pm

Sounds as though Red Rose Tea just started giving out little porcelain goodies earlier thanwe thought.

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Causticacrostic
7/12/2016 09:06:06 pm

The Chinese. A great bunch of lads.

Guess they made it to Craggy Island earlier than Father Ted thought.

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Pop Goes the Reason
7/13/2016 04:47:55 pm

Gavin Menzies was right! Dig deeper in the bogs of Ireland (there are quite a lot of them- I wonder where these particular ones were?) and you'll find a perfectly preserved 15th century treasure junk, complete with eunuchs and courtesans.

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Only Me
7/13/2016 05:17:46 pm

Don't forget the treasure! It has to have treasure, like the fabled lost ships in the desert.

Strangely enough, I saw an episode of Bat Masterson where the lost ship in the desert legend served as the main plot point.

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REV. E. HERNANDEZ
7/17/2016 11:25:18 am

Hi JC, since I am a dunderhead, do you happen to recall which Smithsonian Institution scientist called ANCIENT ALIENS and its host channel "a chum bucket"?

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Kathleen
7/17/2016 11:42:39 am

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-idiocy-fabrications-and-lies-of-ancient-aliens-86294030/

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REV. E. HERNANDEZ
7/17/2016 01:12:50 pm

Kathleen, wow, thanks...there it is! It's great to have the actual article and context-positive quote, many thanks.

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Tony Marino
9/10/2016 01:08:37 am

I watched a little bit of this show recently just out of curiosity. I watched only a few minutes of this and then switched to another channel. Watching a bunch of brain dead stoners watch a show that's also been accused of also being brain dead isn't my idea of fun. Like some others,I wish that there would be a show that would give "Ancient Aliens" the full "Mystery Science Theater 3000" treatment it richly deserves.
For me,"Action Bronson Watches 'Ancient Aliens'" is just an immense waste of time. Even watching "Ancient Aliens" all on it's lonesome would be a far better use of your time than watching this bit of stupidity,if only to mock it. "AA" may not be a great show,but it's better than watching a bunch of pinheads destroy their brain cells for no good reason. If this is what we're going to get from Viceland,I wish they'd bring back H2. There were shows on there I'd watch and some of them were very good,unlike Viceland in general and "Action Bronson Watches 'Ancient Aliens'" in particular. If this tripe is what they're going to toss to Millenials,than I feel sorry for them. They're getting ripped off and they're also being intellectually impoverished,and if this continues,we'll end up with another Lost Generation. And,that won't do anyone any good.

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