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"Ancient Aliens," the Pre-Adamites, and Victorian Racism

7/26/2015

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On Friday’s episode of Ancient Aliens, the ancient astronaut theorists inadvertently brought up an interesting issue, and one that they, typical for them, failed to consider in any detailed way. The ancient astronaut theorists became momentarily interested in the question of pre-Adamite races and whether the Biblical account of creation tells the entire story. This question is interesting, but not for what it says about aliens. Spoiler alert: It’s tied to Victorian-era racism.
The interesting part of the story is that Jews and Christians condemned the idea that there were any races that lived before Adam from the start, right down to the modern era and the need to justify white supremacy. At that point, of course thousands of years of tradition flew out the window. Before that, things were very different…

Theophilus of Antioch was the first to dispute the claim, writing in his Apology to Autolycus around 170 CE that Plato and Apollonius the Egyptian (Apollonius Dyscolus) were wrong to count tens of thousands of years from the Flood to the modern era, the latter counting 153,075 years (3.16). (This number might be the “15 myriads and a little more” attributed to Berossus by Alexander Polyhistor.) Therefore, he denied that anyone lived before the Biblical timeframe.

Augustine’s City of God is another good example of this, and a most interesting one. In Book 12, chapter 9, Augustine tells about the fall of the Angels, i.e. the myth of the Watchers, and in the very next chapter, 10, condemns the Greeks and Romans for proposing that the human race was as old as the earth. He even relates an echo of Berossus’s Babylonian astrology of periodic destruction by fire and flood in attributing to the Greeks and Romans the belief in the periodic destruction of humanity by the same. Augustine, however, wasn’t really arguing against a claim of pre-Adamic races; rather, he argued that the Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, and Romans were wrong in their chronologies, and all of world history happened within 6,000 years. In chapter 11 he also condemns the many worlds hypothesis, effectively denying the existence of aliens.

By the time of Islam a few centuries later, there was a more developed mythology of pre-Adamite people, at least in popular lore, which continued some of the pagan beliefs condemned by the Church fathers and syncretized with Abrahamic teachings to greater or lesser extents. The Filahât al-Nabâtiyyah (Nabataean Agriculture) of Ibn Wahshiyya (c. 904 CE) made reference to the existence of pre-Adamic people, a claim attributed to the Sabians, who were famous among the Arabs for their hybrid of paganism, Hermeticism, and Abrahamic legends. The Jewish philosophers who reported this from Ibn Wahshiyya’s book dismissed it as the product of ignorance. In the Akhbar al-zaman, written sometime after the Filahât al-Nabâtiyyah we find a version of the pre-Adamic claim in which traditional creationism and pagan history have been reconciled by making the pre-Adamic races non-human, but instead semi-human djinn who were a failure Allah sent Iblis (the Devil) to destroy to make room for Adam. Thus was an ancient dispute over when the first human was created turned into separate creations of different species.

In Europe, few took pre-Adamic races seriously until white supremacists figured out how to make it racist. The process started with the French Millenarian philosopher Isaac La Peyrère, who invented the modern pre-Adamite hypothesis at the very late date of 1655, and justified it from medieval sources like Maimonides, whom I will discuss below. In his book Prae-Adamitae he argued that Adam could not have sinned unless there was a law to sin against; therefore, there were people to whom that law applied, a separate creation. He adduced that Cain must have taken a wife from, and built a city for, those people in Genesis 4. For his trouble, his book was publicly condemned and burned as heretical. He was imprisoned until he recanted.

The book’s claims saw some popularity in the Enlightenment as an explicit challenge to religion, but pre-Adamic claims saw their greatest popularity in the nineteenth century, when pre-Adamic races offered a semi-biblical way to be more racist, particularly in the United States, the hotbed of pre-Adamic theorizing. Thus, racists like physician Charles Caldwell, physician Samuel G. Morton, and surgeon Josiah C. Nott all argued that the white race was the only race descended from Adam, and thus capable of salvation in the eyes of the Lord. The other races, but especially the Black, were separate and inferior creations. Buckner H. Payne and Charles Carroll declared Blacks to be pre-Adamite “beasts” who were stowed in the Ark with the other animals. Carroll denied Blacks had souls since pre-Adamites wouldn’t have had any before God invented them for the white Adam and his kin. Even those who accepted the theory of evolution got in on the game: Alexander Winchell said Blacks were too inferior to have ever evolved into something like Adam; therefore, only God could have directed evolution to produce the white race.

Isabel Duncan took it a step further and argued that the pre-Adamic race became angels and demons, based on the fall of the angels from Genesis 6—inadvertently restoring the claim’s origins in the same milieu that gave us the Watchers myth.

Even some Christian scholars, long opposed to pre-Adamic races, embraced the idea in order to reconcile Mosaic chronology with new geological discoveries, and they naturally traced the sinful race of Cain—the corrupt “daughters of men” who felled the Sons of God in Genesis 6:4—to miscegenation between Cain and some non-white woman from the land of Nod. Michael Barkun discussed this in his 1996 book Religion and the Racist Right.

At this point, does it surprise anyone that Ancient Aliens stumbled into using another Victorian racist ideology as though it were a shocking alien revelation? Now, to be fair, the version of pre-Adamism Ancient Aliens uses is more from the occult tradition, which (surprisingly) is based in a much less racist version proposed in the 1860s by the Native American occultist Paschal Beverly Randolph, who argued for a 100,000-year-old pre-Adamite civilization in which the ancient men were a high culture, not beasts of the field. This version fed into the esoteric-occult stream, leading to Immanuel Velikovsky’s adoption of pre-Adamism in In the Beginning, where he argues for periodic devastation of human civilization. In that same book he suggests ancient astronauts might have been the pre-Adamite people, and that they are also the Nephilim.

Now, if you want to see how all of this connects to my developing Grand Theory of Stupid Archaeology, let’s take a look at Velikovsky’s source. In an early chapter of In the Beginning, on the “Pre-Adamite Age,” Velikovsky attributes knowledge of this lost civilization to “the medieval Arab scholar Abubacer” (i.e., Abubaker). Velikovsky arrived at this knowledge secondhand, learning of it from a reference in the Tower of Babel (1679) of Athanasius Kircher, who was actually citing the twelfth century man known as Ibn Tufail, whose first names were Abu Bakr. According to Ibn Tufail, the Sabians—yes, them again—said Adam had parents who birthed him and that he had left the Moon before he descended to India. (It isn’t clear to me that Velikovsky’s translation is correct in taking the text as referring to a literal residence on the Moon itself rather than a city of the Moon or the Heaven of the Moon or something like that.) The claim, as weird as it sounds, is probably a conflation of Abrahamic mythology with Hindu mythology.

The Sabians were the same people that Abu Ma‘shar claimed linked Hermes to the construction of Egyptian monuments to preserve science before the Flood—a story in turn derived from Enoch’s Pillars of Wisdom and, of course, the myth of the Sons of God/Watchers from Genesis 6:4, the cornerstone of nearly all stupid archaeology. As I mentioned, based on the alleged lunar connection, in the passage on the Nephilim Velikovsky suggests they may be space aliens.

Anyway, here is how Velikovsky translates the passage on Adam’s lunar adventure:
They [the Sabaeans] say that Adam was born from male and female, just like the rest of mankind, but they honored him greatly, and said that he had come from the Moon, that he was the prophet and apostle of the Moon, and that he had exhorted the nations that they should serve the Moon. . . . They also related about Adam that when he had left the Moon and proceeded from the area of India towards Babylonia, that he brought many wonders with him.
Here is what the Latin of Kircher, quoting Ibn Tufail, says literally on pages 134-135 of the 1679 edition of Turris Babel (3.3.1):
The whole nation of the Sabians believe in the antiquity of the world (or, what is the same thing, its eternal nature), for heaven is the same as God, according to their opinion. And they say that the first man Adam was born of a male and a female, like the rest of men, but they (the Sabians) honored him much, they said, because he departed from the Moon, was a prophet and apostle of the Moon, preached to the people that they should serve the Moon, and composed books on the cultivation of the land. The even say that Seth held the opinion that his father was in the service of the Moon. They even tell of Adam that when he had departed from the Moon and proceeded from the region [literal: climate] of India to the region of Babylon, he brought many wonders with him, including a golden tree with growing branches and leaves, and a stone tree whose leaves were evergreen and could not be burned by fire. And they say that ten thousand men could be protected under the shadow of this tree, and the height of the tree itself resembled the stature of a man. He also brought with him two leaves, each of which covered two men. In truth, their purpose in speaking of the first man Adam, and of the men who were under his jurisdiction, was to establish their belief in the antiquity of the world, and that which comes forth from this belief: that the heavens and the stars are gods.
Kircher called the story a “ridiculous fable,” but it wasn’t unique to Ibn Tufail. A nearly identical version of the story appears in the Jewish writer Maimonides’ Guide for the Perplexed 3.29, written at nearly the same time as Ibn Tufail’s book, and coming right after and right before a reference to Ibn Wahshiyya’s Nabataean Agriculture, which it is implied is the source for Maimonides, and presumably also Ibn Tufail. That book has never been translated into English, and I have no idea whether the passage is found therein, not that it matters, but the secondary literature makes plain that the passage is in that book somewhere.

The point is that the text implies that the “Moon” was not meant as a place but as a person; Kircher capitalizes Luna, meaning the moon goddess, rather than the heavenly orb; Maimonides confirms this reading, saying that Adam had been “sent by the moon.” (It probably reflects the city of Harran, believed to be the home of the Moon god.) Velikovsky erred due to an illusion of translation in Kircher’s rendering of the Arabic into Latin. Either way, if Ancient Aliens knew they were stealing from Velikovksy they might have cited this as evidence that humans came from the moon, so it’s probably a good thing they didn’t know that.

47 Comments
Scarecrow
7/26/2015 03:31:56 am

P. B. Randolph also peddled the “Pre-Adamite Age' myth.

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John
7/26/2015 05:01:45 am

Of course it's tied to Victorian racism. The ancient astronaut theory wouldn't even exist without the new age schlock that came out of Theosophy and Victorian racism.

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Scarecrow
7/26/2015 05:19:56 am

It was naughty of EvD to claim the AA theory as his own and not credit Lord Clancarty ( Brinsley Le Poer Trench) who wrote earlier books about the subject matter (as did M K Jessup before them).

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peter
1/7/2016 07:12:06 am

Noahs son Shem is were the word Semite comes from, Noah married the Cainite Namaah, Noah had Ham which means burnt who had Cush and Canaan. Cush went to africa and had nimrod.
Noah also had Japheth who went to Europe. Japheths first son was Gomer the first king of Gaul.
It is all biblical.

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Nancy
6/30/2017 09:06:07 pm

I agree...not only is it biblical, it makes the most sense in explaining current world demographics and the stark intellectual and behavioral differences between subgroups.

What our forefathers clearly did NOT believe was this false notion that all men are created equal. That statement, when taken out of the context of the Declaration of Independence, has been used in modern times to promote the false religion of egalitarianism. In order to believe that bunch of b.s., one must ignore not only what the bible says on the subject, but also must ignore all the proven facts of group IQ differences, ignore the utter lack of ANY successful black nation in history, ignore the Africans' lack of inventions like written language or even the wheel, ignore outrageous levels of promiscuity, crime, and violence...the obvious proof of human INequality is so massive, it could fill a book. (And it already has, back in the 17th century: "Negroes in Negroland").

Even black Africans accept the racial superiority of whites when it comes to ingenuity, organization, running governments, and more. Read "Racism, Guilt, Self-Hatred and Self-Deceit" by Gedeliah Braun, a white professor in Africa for decades.

Or...we could ignore what we witness every day with our own eyes; believe instead what the lying media wants us to accept; blame obvious dysfunction of Third World races on Whites (who have been trying, and still try, to help them by massive money transfers, among other things), and keep putting our own people at risk by allowing backward, primitive people to infiltrate our advanced civilizations. Then we react with surprise and dismay when these very same "equal" races (who are "just like us", but with a tan) simply behave like they've always behaved since time began. They leech off our benevolence, attack our people, destroy our cities, steal our hard-earned property, reproduce with no thought to how they might support their offspring, and demand more and more from us in the name of "fairness". There's a reason why God told the Israelites to completely destroy enemy races down to the last child: those enemies were not of God, and would bring down the Israelites if they were given even an inch. Yet we Westerners still haven't learned that lesson, and we're paying the price for accepting the false blame placed on us by inferior, envious races who can't compete.

Thorwald C. Franke link
7/26/2015 06:48:28 am

The idea that civilizations are periodically destroyed by fire or water is contained most prominently in Plato's dialogues, especially in the Atlantis story. Atlantis was thought to be 9000 years before Solon and Plato. Since Plato was the key philosopher of antiquity, when ancient Christians argued that the creation is not older than 6000 years, they argued against Plato's Atlantis, too. And Platonist philosophers argued against the Christians.

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Scarecrow
7/26/2015 05:22:19 pm

And Platonist philosophers and the Christians were on kneepads to subjective ideologies.

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Thorwald C. Franke link
7/27/2015 06:44:34 am

Pardon me? I cannot follow you in that. That's a vulgar version of intellectual history.

Scarecrow
7/28/2015 01:05:08 am

All philosophies are air-drawn fabrics. Folks like Kant, Nietzsche. Kierkegaard and Jung are no different to New Age pundits. People have spent their entire lives pursuing their own made-up philosophies.

I can do much better than that. I can create 10 different and distinct philosophies in 10 days. And if you want more, I can produce more,
Philosophy is an air-drawn fabric that is ultimately worthless and without any value.

Shane Sullivan
7/28/2015 06:08:50 am

"Philosophy is an air-drawn fabric that is ultimately worthless and without any value."

That's a broad statement. We wouldn't have modern science without the philosophies of the likes of Alhazen and Roger Bacon. William of Ockham, Leibniz, Galileo... all philosophers.

Even Einstein was a philosopher of science.

Transpower link
7/26/2015 06:57:39 am

Very scholarly, Jason. From archaeology we know that the human species originated some 250000 years ago (or so). However, these beings were not ethical--they were basically just advanced animals. Sometime around the Agricultural Revolution, approx. 10000 years ago, human beings became more ethical--this is evidence that "souls" started to be associated human beings. Race isn't necessarily a factor; brain size and construction is--there must have been some mutation in the human brain which allowed a soul to become associated with it. Given all the evil on this planet, it's clear that quite a few hominids have yet to make the transformation....

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Scarecrow
7/26/2015 07:06:57 am

Yes, the origin of language and writing corresponds with the origin of religion.

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al etheredge
7/26/2015 10:04:47 am

What about the cave paintings in France? My understanding was they related to some form of shamanistic belief, and they date to 20k+ years old. That's far before any form of writing I know of.

Scarecrow
7/26/2015 11:11:46 am

True, those drawings predate writing and possibly language.

V
7/27/2015 03:04:57 pm

Language and religion may or may not somewhat coincide--it's impossible to tell, since spoken language doesn't leave archeological traces. Writing came way, way, way, WAY later for certain. Writing dates from somewhere about 3400 BCE. Gobekli Tepe, the oldest religious site we have found to date, was abandoned around 8000 BCE, and may have been started as early as 11,000 BCE.

What archeological evidence we have indicates that at least Neanderthals were capable of language; they had hyoid bones, which allow a much broader range of sound production than most animals are capable of. Whether this means Neanderthals had a full-fledged language (or several), I have no idea, but they were cooperative hunters and had doctors; the likelihood is pretty high, from what I understand.

Scarecrow
7/28/2015 01:06:54 am

Nobody can prove writing came after language.

V
7/27/2015 02:52:18 pm

1. Modern humans are still just advanced animals--the belief that humans exist outside of nature is one that has already gotten us into a lot of trouble as a species, and when one considers us within the context of nature, we sure as hell aren't plants or fungus.

2. The earliest evidence of "souls" being associated with humans is intentional burial and burial goods, both of which are present in Neanderthals from 40,000 years and more ago.

3. It is entirely unscholarly to state that human beings--regardless of specific species--were "unethical" prior to the agricultural revolution, because we have evidence of strong cultural practices, and strong cultural practices come along with an ethical code of some kind.

4. Are you really arguing the tired old religious line that only human beings have souls? If so, you don't belong in a scientific or scholarly discussion, as the existence of the soul is unproven and perhaps unprovable, so you can't even say with actual truth that human beings even have souls--at most you can say we believe we do.

5. Even within the context of religious discussions, ensoulment is not associated with being good, so the relative level of "evil" in the world is logically not at all related to how many souls exist in the world.

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Platy
7/26/2015 02:15:05 pm

Wasn't there an episode of AA where they claimed that the fall of the Tower of Babel was a metaphor for why there are different races?

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Clete
7/26/2015 02:32:30 pm

You are asking for consistancy from one half-thoughout episode of Ancient Aliens to the next. They make the assumption that their core audience have the attention span of a carrot. They have no problem with contradictions from one episode to the next and one season to the next. For instance, the carving on the walls of temples in Eqypt have been Aliens, alien hybrids or genetic experiments, depending on the episode and whichever talking head in babbling on about it for the moment.

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Platy
7/26/2015 03:26:37 pm

Actually, I was just thinking it was weird that they tied the story into that since I really don't remember any concepts connected to race in it, as opposed why people speak different languages.

Scarecrow
7/26/2015 05:15:54 pm

Isn't the tower of Babel story in the Bible the explanation for the origin of multiple nations with multiple languages?

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Platy
7/27/2015 03:47:35 am

Yes

titus pullo
7/26/2015 02:32:32 pm

I'm always somewhat amazed at how AA advocates take something written 2,500 years ago and assume it is the truth. Just think if you were living around 500BC and trying understand how mankind and civilization came about..no libraries, little abilty to travel, mostly just tidbits from other prior scholars in other places coming up with their own ideas which get passed on through trade and war..with each generation starting with the previous generation's ideas which they take as gospel.

What should be worth more research is why the Aryan/Semitic races had the views on Sub Saharrian races. was skin color such a driver in their racist views? it seems like from the Arabs to Indians to Europeans, all had very racist views on black Africans...why? Was their culture so different that they were viewed as inferior? Where they more peaceful and hence easily exploited? Given the most racist things I have ever heard regarding blacks have come from people from the middle east..you have to wonder..

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V
7/27/2015 03:14:43 pm

The question to really ask is, did that racist attitude exist before the advent of Portuguese slavery of African peoples? If the answer is yes, I'm thinking to blame the Romans as one of the most xenophobic and yet best conquerors of the ancient world. If the answer is no, then it makes it fairly obviously a displacement of guilt onto the victims, on a society-wide scale.

Archeology, however, indicates that the African peoples prior to the invention of the gun in Europe were in no way "easily exploited." In fact it seems likely to have been the opposite--they were viewed in the fashion they were because the African peoples were generally much more of a threat than that.

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MithrandirOlorin link
7/26/2015 11:26:30 pm

Veilikovsky wasn't Racist. None of his "Fringe" theories were base don denying non White people achieve great things, quite the contrary he was frequently giving them credit where others would not.

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Jason Colavito link
7/27/2015 03:33:07 am

I specifically cited him as working in the non-racist occult tradition of pre-Adamites.

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JaredMithrandir link
7/28/2015 03:48:43 am

Good

Shane Sullivan
7/27/2015 08:20:24 am

"In truth, their purpose in speaking of the first man Adam, and of the men who were under his jurisdiction, was to establish their belief in the antiquity of the world, and that which comes forth from this belief: that the heavens and the stars are gods."

The stars are gods? Yeah, that totally sounds like aliens.

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Kal
7/27/2015 09:12:46 am

It might be historical that the Israelites of the ancient times in the Bible were likely not white, blonde, blue eyed and tall, but actually tanned or even dark, had dark eyes, thick hair and weren't exceptionally tall by today's understanding of tall.

Trying to explain later stories about Adam and Eve is problematic since really nobody knows, and the authors weren't actually there.

The places might be similar but the people and the names might not be, even so everyone seems to have a flood myth, well almost.

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V
7/27/2015 03:20:42 pm

Kal, the artworks that show Biblical heroes as Aryan are generally from medieval-and-forward Europe; there aren't really any extant portraits from the times various events were supposed to actually be taking place. Which means that the fairly usual occurrence of imagining characters of stories who are Like You was taking place. (Research has shown that in the absence of a description of physical characteristics, the vast majority of readers imagine characters having features similar to their own or what they are used to.)

As for the prevalence of flood myths, where there are water sources, there are floods. Of course the majority of peoples have flood myths; historically human beings have lived in flood zones. Another thing that pretty much all people tend to do is imagine "what if this were larger in scale." It's also known as "the big fish story." There is literally no reason to assume that all flood myths come from a single event that took place in human memory.

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Transpower link
7/27/2015 11:30:32 am

The Israelites were Caucasians; the Egyptians were part white and part black. Prior to the Agricultural Revolution there were probably some isolated ethical individuals who experimented with agriculture, language, writing, and art; but there was no mass change until about 10000 years ago in the Middle East. Incidentally, some archaeologists locate the Garden of Eden where the Persian Gulf is now; it must have been a region of plenty for hunters and gatherers. Its end was a contributing cause to the transformation.

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V
7/27/2015 03:32:37 pm

The Israelites were not Caucasians. The Israelites were Semitic. The Semitic peoples came from southwestern Asia, not Europe at the foot of the Caucus mountains. And the Egyptians were north-eastern African with a lot of Near Eastern influence; Mediterranean influence was a generally late addition.

Additionally, art was widespread as early as 40,000 years ago, with some of the earliest being on the African continent; there is, as I said above, no way to archeologically date the advent of spoken language, but it is pretty much certainly much, much older than 10,000 years ago and may be as much as millions of years old, given that chimpanzees and gorillas are both capable of learning rudimentary language or "pidgin."

Finally, no, "the Garden of Eden" has not been located anywhere. Some people have speculated that the area around the Persian Gulf was a region of plenty, but to go so far as stating that it was absolutely THE Garden of Eden is Biblical literalism that is not founded in science. The most actual archeologists will tell you is, "We have located some features that may or may not match descriptions in old writings of this area" unless they have found an actual "Welcome to Troy" sign somewhere. That is the nature of archeology, particularly Biblical archeology.

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Scarecrow
7/28/2015 01:09:38 am

The Garden of Eden - wasn't that the Garden of Dilmun - and wasn't the story of Adam's rib a variant of Enki and Ninhursag

Transpower link
7/28/2015 03:53:19 am

Mr. V advocates a pure physicalism, as many scientists do. But this is contrary to the facts as we have them. Rational, ethical human beings are creative and ethical and have free will; a pure mechanism, like a plant or animal or machine, does not. Therefore there must be a non-physical realm which is the source of our creativity and ethics. My philosophical position is called "transnaturalism"--it argues against both supernaturalism and atheism. The famous biologist Theodosius Dobzhansky understood this clearly; see his book The Biology of Ultimate Concern. Biological evolution explains everything between two fundamental transformations: 1) between non-life and life, and 2) between men and ethical men. The parents of "Adam" and "Eve" were advanced hominids, but soul-less. "Adam" and "Eve" must both have had a mutation in their neocortex which allowed a non-physical unit (a "soul") to associate with their brain. They then began to understand the difference between right and wrong. To those of us who are transnaturalists, the purpose of animal and plant life is simply survival and reproduction, but the purpose of human beings is ethical character development (in addition to survival and reproduction).

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jackfrost
7/31/2015 06:21:59 am

Mr. Rohl thinks the garden of Eden was here:

http://powerpointparadise.com/blog/2012/01/is-the-garden-of-eden-discovered-archaeologist-david-rohl-thinks-so/

The Chinese have a very old civilisation, unknown and going back more than 12,000 years........have they a similar "garden" or ancient races with writing??

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kc
7/31/2015 07:13:32 pm

When I was very young I found myself conflicted, since I wasn't buying in to the rigid catholic belief system, and I feared that I was therefore an atheist bound for eternal damnation. I had a "Descartes moment" and realized that my fear of damnation was in fact proof that, at my core, I believed. In the intervening 45 years I've taken the "scientific" view of agnosticism: without proof, I could neither accept nor reject God, Jesus or the supernatural in general. I'll come back to God shortly.
For the last ten months or so I've had more time on my hands than usual, and among other things I started watching Ancient Aliens as (initially) an idle amusement. One thing all readers of this blog must have in common is that, as hyped as the show is, it captures your interest. Accounts of modern alien activity (MUFON, etc.) are also interesting distractions.
As easily as most of this can be debunked, some of it just defies easy explanation. You have the "alien true believers" espousing the idea that aliens created humans and are inter-breeding to this day. Scientifically this is preposterous. An alien race would not necessarily have genes encoded by DNA, and even if they did, the chances of aliens having the same genetic code as humans (and all life on Earth) are so astronomically low that it is impossible. The "alien true believers" are no more rational than the "creation scientists" who deny reality of a truly ancient Earth and ancient life in a vast universe. Which brings me back to mystery of existence and the mystery of God.
Basically, there are 3, and only 3, possible belief systems. The first is that the supernatural does not exist, and all reality is the result of natural phenomena. (An untenable position, given the evidence.) The second is literal interpretation of religious scripture. Those who ascribe to this, specifically Christian creationists, do not acknowledge that to accept everything as literal requires believing that God is deceiving making on purpose. An all-powerful God could have created the Universe in a week and placed fossil sea creatures on top of Mount Everest. Another untenable position. The third possibility is belief system is that God exists, and that as rational beings we must find truth and consistency in all we see an observe.
Before going on, I will state that all doubts in my mind have been erased. We have souls. God exists, and Jesus Christ is our salvation. There has always been creation and destruction and the struggle between good and evil. Science and God need not conflict. My belief at this time is that the "void" of Genesis included the absence of God's divinity - the absence of a soul - in the inhabitants of the Earth. Adam was the first earth- born being gifted with a soul, the first human created in the image if God.
Why do I now believe this? As I mentioned the notion of aliens coming to earth and creating humans is absurd. I'm going to be brief with the rest of this since all you have to do is dig a little deeper. I asked God a long time ago to show me proof, and I have seen enough now. If you accept the Biblical accounts (and other sources kept out of most canon - the book of Enoch in particular) of the struggle between good and evil, and if you LOOK, you will see. Explain the footage of Keanu Reeves (and so many others) shape shifting, over and over again. Explain the "abduction" phenomena. What is the one thing, in account after account, that stops an abduction in its tracks? Explain the mutilation of animals. Look, if you still want to cling to "rational explanations", at images and accounts of humans mutilated by aliens. No, not a hoax, not something an advanced race studying us would do, not explainable by anything other than the existence of horrendous, supernatural evil. Delve in to the Illuminate. Ask your favorite politician if they attend the festivities of the Bohemian Groove. Read accounts of parties held by the Rothchilds. Review the histories of ancient civilizations, not for visitations by "aliens", but for the common theme. Spectacular technological achievements, continuous horrific sacrifices to malevolent "gods", and mysterious collapse.
You may find comfort in "normal" explanations for all of this, but are you convinced? Only time will tell. I do know one thing. If someday the existence of aliens is revealed, I will know what they really are.

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Only Me
7/31/2015 07:43:21 pm

What your saying is this: if it cannot be explained, or, the explanation is not satisfactory, everything defaults to the demonic.

You are aware the Dark Ages are long over, right?

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kc
7/31/2015 08:20:30 pm

Well, no. We can't satisfactorily describe the interior of a black hole (likely we just don't have the requisite mathematics), or why Joe got cancer but his twin Bob didn't (the biology underpinnings are too complicated) or why someone went on an unexplained shooting rampage (unsatisfactory understanding of psychology). We can't even get our heads around statements such as There are no absolute truths", which must (or must not) be true and false at the same time ( An antinomy, a limitation of semantics.

But let's consider the case of a man whom eyewitnesses report being dragged in to an "alien spaceship," found later mutilated un a manner to horrible to describe (by unknown instruments while he was paralyzed and still alive - provable died from pain - untouched by scavengers - not even fly), which explanation do you subscribe to? Hoax -- No. Aliens? Hmmm? That seems really far fetched, unless aliens feed on pain and suffering. In which case, they are behaving exactly like what?

The dark ages were a time of exceptional ignorance where everything was explained as the work of supernatural evil. That does not mean that super natural evil does not exist, or that it is not at work in the world today. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's wrong. Changing subjects somewhat, thinking along these lines is exactly why we are losing our Constitutional rights, since it is an antiquated document that no longer applies. Unalienable rights do not have a time stamp.

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Only Me
7/31/2015 10:06:30 pm

Your example is quite clearly a work of fiction, dependent on the veracity of the "eyewitnesses". So why dismiss the possibility of a hoax so outright?

Your conclusion still supports my earlier summation, because you've chosen a supernatural cause over an extraterrestrial one. In my book, either cause is equally far-fetched.

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kc
8/1/2015 05:04:42 pm

Regarding rejecting the hoax hypothesis, the extensive documentation of this case, the extensively documented Brazilian incident, and the reality of untold numbers of animal mutilation render a hoax highly unlikely.

I am tilting at windmills on this blog. The "cult of the debunker" is no different from all of the other people and groups who are closed to any explanation other than the one they have already defined.

So these are a few parting thoughts and suggestions. Whether you believe in God, Satan, aliens, the Loch Ness monster is irrelevant to this. It is an existential fact that billions of people believe in the supernatural. It is also an existential fact that the occult and Satan worship exist. Anyone reading this blog who believes that the worshipers of evil are just a few nuts on the fringe are either deluded or in collusion. Try to get past the knee-jerk "conspiracy theory" reaction. Get a copy of "En route to global occupation" published in 1996 by Gary H. Kay and fact check the history described. Watch the recent video by Alex Jones of the Satanic rituals performed by the ruling elite at the Bohemian Grove. Research the history of that lovely picnic spot. Everyone knows about the Illuminati All-seeing Eye on the dollar bill. You can also find the image of Mollock the Owl on the dollar bill. Is that an accident? Don't bother watching all the videos of "reptilian shapeshifters" (all debunked), but watch all the celebs giving the 666 finger over their eye.

You can believe what you want to. None of this adds up until Jesus opens your eyes. I hope that happens for you. Whether you believe in the supernatural or not, the world is being run and manipulated by those who do. And it isn't God they worship. In this reality, even the most committed atheist should take pause and consider what the future really holds.

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Only Me
8/1/2015 08:15:25 pm

This was far too easy. Time for some fun.

1) "In the intervening 45 years I've taken the 'scientific' view of agnosticism: without proof, I could neither accept nor reject God, Jesus or the supernatural in general."

Now, your parting shot includes the following:

"You can believe what you want to. None of this adds up until Jesus opens your eyes. I hope that happens for you."

Hello, contradiction; we meet again.

2) You said, "Try to get past the knee-jerk 'conspiracy theory' reaction." The rest of that paragraph then mentions staples of conspiracy theory and your sarcasm doesn't hide your belief in said examples. Irony at its finest.

3) I'm afraid, my dear, the "extensive documentation" of your alien abduction case is not proven or strengthened by mentioning animal mutilation, since the case in question is one of *human* abduction. That the man's corpse was found mutilated does not automatically provide evidence that demons masquerading as interstellar Jack the Rippers were involved. Does the current violence in Mexico not ring a bell? The same drug cartels operate in South America, too.

4) I especially love the conclusion you jumped to at the end of your comment. "In this reality, even the most committed atheist should take pause and consider what the future really holds." Because I don't agree with your point of view, that somehow allows you to declare, without knowing anything about me, that I'm an atheist? Who gave you this wonderful gift? Aliens, demons or God?

All you are doing, kc, is spouting the inverse of ancient astronaut theory.

AAT: gods = aliens
kc: aliens = demons

You are trying to return the narrative back to its supernatural roots, favoring an infernal explanation over a divine one. But, I will agree with you on one point: believe what you want.

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kc
8/4/2015 02:39:05 pm

Another misread. This isn't my bread and butter so I have no need to craft responses that are so off point as to be irrelevant.

Set aside the debate on the existence of the supernatural, aliens etc. I'll tilt at the windmills again with a prime example - pop princess Madonna. Her 2012 Superbowl show was a Satanic ritual worshiping Bathomet, a favored representation of Satan by the Illuminate. The fans in attendance were given hand-held lights to wave around and unwittingly participated in the most-viewed Satanic ceremony in history. Brought to you by the all seeing eye of CBS. (Disagree? What, then, does the CBS symbol represent? ). Emboldened by her success, Madonna put on a show of blatant Satan worship at the 2015 Grammy Awards.

You can insist on debunking the existence of God, Satan, aliens, etc. That is you bread and butter. But it is completely clear that the dominant religion practiced by the ruling elite is Satan worship, and if you disagree with that assessment, then you must he either blind or false.

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Only Me
8/4/2015 03:33:36 pm

I crafted nothing. I showed, quite clearly, how you contradicted yourself and seemingly fail to grasp the irony in one of your other comments.

I have no "bread and butter". I'm also not blind or false for disagreeing with your opinions. I'm concerned with this: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I will not accept what you're claiming solely on your word.

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kc
8/4/2015 03:09:15 pm

I do want to say regarding your final comment, I do not know that you are atheist, or what (if any) beliefs you have beyond what is known reality. I haven't read all of your writings, but I haven't come across a single instance of anything other than debunking. As far as I can tell you are finding and calling attention to false evidence and inaccurate histories. But you are ignoring quite a bit to.

I may have come to a conclusion regarding your beliefs too early, but my conclusion is consistent with the evidence of your writings.

What seems to be lacking in the perspective here is that, in most cases, the lack of evidence does not prove that something does not exist. As one who is concerned about the fate of this World, the nature of the belief systems that prevail among the ruling elite is convincing. And a matter of grave concern. I'll leave it at that.

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Only Me
8/4/2015 04:00:21 pm

"Debunking" is such an overused word. What I practice is more appropriately called critical thinking. This is why your conclusion about my beliefs is not consistent with my comments.

Let me show what I mean. You said, "It is an existential fact that billions of people believe in the supernatural." It is also existential fact that millions believe in aliens. Since there is no physical evidence for either, it boils down to what each individual chooses to believe. While others say "Aliens!", you're saying "Demons!" All I'm asking is the obvious question: are those really our only choices?

I think, however, my point is wasted. It appears you want agreement with your point of view instead of entertaining differences of opinion. That's *my* conclusion based on your comments. Or did you mean something else when you said:

"I am tilting at windmills on this blog. The 'cult of the debunker' is no different from all of the other people and groups who are closed to any explanation other than the one they have already defined."

"None of this adds up until Jesus opens your eyes. I hope that happens for you."

"if you disagree with that assessment, then you must be either blind or false"?

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Hamma Mirwaisi link
1/16/2017 09:57:26 am

Please read the book below with open mind. After 10 years of research and finding of this subject, I found out answers for questions about White and Aryan people in my book

The White & Aryan Civilizations: Started 12, 000 Years ago in Gobekli Tepe to Serve Humanity (Caucasian Civilization)

https://www.amazon.com/White-Aryan-Civilizations-Caucasian-Civilization/dp/1537286854/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1484578281&sr=1-1

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Benji
12/5/2019 02:29:57 am

I just wanted to point out that in biblical symbolism the Moon means the church, the stars are the believers

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