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Andrew Collins Claims Native Americans Were Ruled by Hybrid Denisovan Giants Who Masterminded Mound Building

1/18/2019

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Andrew Collins has made something of a career out of rewriting the same book over and over again, with slightly different material keyed to whatever was the most recent archaeological controversy or discovery at the time of writing. It was not too long ago that Collins delivered a book on Göbelki Tepe (my review: Part 1 and Part 2),  in which he suggested that the Denisovans, a different species in the genus Homo known from only a few bone fragments, are the mysterious Nephilim of the Bible and the civilizing god-kings who bequeathed the arts and sciences to a benighted line of Homo sapiens. Apparently delighted by this claim, Collins has rewritten the same material into a new book called Denisovan Dawn, coauthored by gigantologist and Edgar Cayce acolyte Greg Little, and due out from publishing dumpster fire Inner Traditions in September. Collins first published his new claims in August on Ancient Origins and is currently promoting a presentation he plans to give on the subject later this spring.
​And what a surprise! Collins is planning to allege that the Denisovans hybridized human beings in the Americas, creating a non-human hybrid species of giants known as the Thunder People. For those of you keeping score, this is yet another allegation that some Native Americans are not really human.
 
This claim is almost identical to one made on Legends of the Lost with Megan Fox in December, and I imagine that it is no coincidence that this claim is emerging across the fringe world in many different places despite the manifest lack of physical evidence for Denisovans in North America, or, indeed, anywhere but in the single cave where a tiny number of bone fragments were uncovered. (DNA evidence shows Denisovan genes in populations as far afield as Aboriginal Australia.)
 
Collins is set to deliver a preview of the book’s material this spring, and he described what he intends to tell the New Living Expo in April in a posting on his website:
Andrew demonstrates how the recently-discovered extinct human population now called the Denisovans gifted our earliest ancestors the rudiments of civilization around 45,000 years ago. He shows also how in North America the Denisovans' hybrid descendents [sic] became the Animiki - the Thunderbirds or Thunder People of Algonquian tradition, as well as the giants who became the leaders and shamans of the Native American mound building cultures that thrived across the continent through till medieval times. Andrew looks at the different traditions of these Thunder People - what other names they were remembered as, their impact on the First Peoples of North America, and how even today vision questing can unlock their secret places across the United States.
​Forgive me a moment of vulgarity, but having just finished the final revision on the manuscript of my own book on the racist myth of the Mound Builders, seeing Collins allege that Native Americans were under the tutelage of half-human hybrids who were responsible for their earthworks leaves me with little recourse but to say: What the flying fuck? It was bad enough when the mounds were attributed falsely to Vikings or to Jews or to a lost white race, but now Collins has extended the utter refusal to credit Native peoples with their own cultural achievements to assigning the piling of basketfuls of dirt atop one another to a whole different species of hominin. What makes this doubly disgusting is that reams of evidence exist connecting the mounds to Native Americans, while the Denisovans are known from one finger bone, two teeth, and a toe bone, all found in the same Russian cave.
 
The Animikii, known by many variant names and spellings, are a type of Algonquian mythological being, but they are not generally people. They are Thunder Birds, and it is believed that thunder is the sound of the beating of their massive wings. Presumably, Collins is thinking of the Pèthakhuweyok (many spelling variations exist), the mythic Algonquian “thunder spirits” who are storm spirits that live in the sky and have the form of eagles or humans with eagle heads. Even this description is a generalization. The Lenape, for example, are said to envision the thunder spirits as gigantic turkeys or partridges that live on mountaintops. I found only a very few references to the Thunder People as fully human in form, and none that identified the Thunder Birds (Animikii) with the Thunder People. Collins bases his claim on one 1923 report about the Animikii by Alanson Skinner that “some maintain that they resemble human beings or, at least, are anthropomorphic at times” and wear feathered pants. It’s a thin thread upon which to hang an entire theory of Denisovan survival on another continent for 45,000 years. Collins claims that Thunderbirds could shape-shift into human form and even marry humans, but when I traced back his source (an encyclopedia), I found that this claim referred only to thunderbird myths of the Pacific Coast, not to the Algonquian thunderbirds of the East. Collins conflates without explanation.
 
Collins argues that because some stories suggest that thunder birds were shapeshifters that therefore they are Denisovan-Neanderthal hybrids who wore feather pants or capes to appear birdlike. This is a bit of euhemerism that would have done Dionysus Schytobrachion proud. (Dionysus explained, bizarrely, that the Golden Fleece was the gilded skin of a man named Mr. Ram.) Collins “proposes that earthly Animiki' are a memory of Denisovan and arguably Denisovan-Neanderthal-modern human groups that thrived in parts of North America through until the first millennia BC, when they became the extremely tall ruling elites and shamans of the Adena mound-building culture (the so-called "Adena elite" theory).” He refers to the controversial idea, once widely accepted, that the Adena were hierarchical and had a ruling elite. However, this view has been challenged by new evidence, and there is no evidence for “Giants” in Adena times, let alone a ruling elite of hybrid half-human giants. The best-preserved image of an Adena shaman, a carved pipe found in Ohio, depicts a normal-looking human. While the intended scale of the human can’t be determined from the image, he appears on the stocky side of average and doesn’t bear any indication of being depicted as a giant.
 
It goes without saying that no physical evidence of Neanderthals or Denisovans has ever been found in North America. Collins argues that the evidence can be found in the fact that some Native Americans have genes traceable to Denisovans. This really proves nothing about North American populations since, as ought to be obvious, Native Americans also have genes traceable back to other ancestral Asian populations, none of which was required to be present in North America to have had their genes carried into the continent when Native peoples crossed over.
 
Collins goes on to claim that the Thunder People—the Denisovan hybrids—were able to break down the barriers between dimensions by accessing a portal in the Cygnus constellation, which may be entered at key power locations on the Earth, particularly Skinwalker Ranch. Regular readers will remember Skinwalker Ranch as the desolate patch of Utah real estate where Robert Bigelow’s team of UFO hunters came to believe that flying saucers were practical joke-playing poltergeists, and which is currently under development as a tourist attraction under its new owner.
 
It’s a good thing that my Mound Builder book only goes up to the early twentieth century, or else I’d have to write a whole new chapter for this nonsense.
33 Comments
SKELETOR
1/18/2019 09:30:34 am

Sword of Omen, give me sight beyond sight.

** THUNDER
THUNDER**
**THUNDERCATS

Hoooooooo...

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orang
1/18/2019 10:31:30 am

"Lords of Light!" (my favorite Thundar the Barbarian expression.

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ILLUMINATUS
1/18/2019 10:07:20 am

What is it the Testament teaches us? - to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married - and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.

THE AGE OF REASON, PART TWO (1795)

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Mike
1/18/2019 10:57:04 am

I've always wondered if people like Andrew Collins genuinely believe what they spout or if it's that they've found their money-making niche and know that people will buy it. Could be both I suppose.

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Scott David Hamilton
1/18/2019 11:00:13 am

"...storm spirits that live in the sky and have the form of eagles or humans with eagle heads."

Native American 5, your mission is to create earthworks of various sizes and function, align all your structures with the constellation of Cygnus, and of course, KILL HITLER!

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Jason Colavito link
1/18/2019 12:16:16 pm

There's a deep cut... I haven't thought about Danger 5 in years!

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Riley V
1/22/2019 03:40:00 am

I’m still a fool for Ilsa.

American cool "disco" dan
1/18/2019 12:19:40 pm

Cygnus, known as the Swan, is actually the Turkey, and one of the Fixed Signs as well as one of the Royal Stars, and it's actually Orion, just like everything else.

You know what they found from the Denisovans? BIOLOGICALSAMPLES! They clearly used their acetate technology to travel to North America.

"Jason, it's important for your work that you recognize that I am the one and only expert on the Lenape and American archaeologists suck. If you ignore the native oral tradition that could cause an impact event."

"The mounds can only be understood by applying the historical-critical method."

"Pèthakhuweyok should be spelled Pessagruviot."

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/21/2019 03:34:02 pm

Cygnus and Orion are identical twins.

Orion is the hunter, and thus had more to eat. Thus, becoming the turkey due to the belt of muscle around his waist.

Cygnus is Zeus, he remained at home and pleased the women with his narrower waist.

Orion killed Zeus for fathering his children when he was away.

Greece fell, for there were no more Greeks.

Orion went to Egypt, to create a half breed Swan. It didn't work out very well. The Hydra likes the taste of poultry.

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/18/2019 03:09:08 pm

"there is no evidence for “Giants” in Adena times"

WAIT WHAT???

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E.P. Grondine
1/18/2019 03:46:28 pm

Hi Jason -

Aside from the racism,

What underlies this is X mt DNA in North America, and not "Denisovians" as Collins calls them.

It appears that X mt DNA evolved along the Black Sea before it flooded, and they had a very good diet, large size, and a relatively advanced tool kit - exactly what you would expect for Hominids evolving in a temperate maritime climate, with Black Sea trade both to share technologies and crops and to provide food.

X mt DNA first appears in North America as Moorehead Phase Canadian Maritime Archaic ca. 8,350 BCE. They then migrate west to become Canadian Red Ochre, and then Old Copper Culture. From there they head south to become Adena.

In the tributaries of the Kanawha River, they contributed to today's Melungeon. I have written to you before about the Andaste - they were indeed giant cannibals, and the other peoples remembered them that way.

Jason, while you can simply avoid all of the nonsense, both theosophist and new age, neither Fletcher nor myself can. We have to deal with confusion all of the time, including both New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans.

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American cool "Disco" Dan
1/18/2019 04:22:28 pm

"We have to deal with confusion all of the time"

Like anyone else in an old folks home, but you don't have to constantly spew your confusion.

Use of the word "haplogroup" as if it means something is the calling card of someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

There were no giants.

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/18/2019 05:31:56 pm

Why do academics keep feeding the we migrated here 60,000 years ago across the Bering Straits?

Asian haplogroups would of had to decide to walk 5,000 miles through impossible terrain and conditions, without any of them even setting up shop anywhere along the way. Minus the 2,000 eskimos who stayed in frozen conditions for some reason and didn't go south to warmer pastures??

Pretty weak argument for the academics.

American cool "Disco" Dan
1/18/2019 06:18:32 pm

The alternative is they walked west across Asia and Europe, got on a boat that magically appeared, crossed the Atlantic, went north TO the frozen regions you think they should have left, then walked across Canada to the frozen regions in the west. That's a long trip but it makes more sense to you?

Mental patient. Sad.

EAGLE FEATHER
1/18/2019 06:52:50 pm

You are very silly sir!

Non-caucasian Egyptians were sent East to India & China. When Odysseus returned, someone else ruled the land.

African Egyptians were taken by non-magical boats (those built by the same people who built them for centuries) to areas south of Mesoamerica to counter the new rulers of the Mediterranean.

A system of religion spun the tribes into Indians. Zeus in Greccan times. Mar in American epochs. The Mariners who crossed the Isthmus of Panama brought the eskimo natives north to Alaska in search of a passage to China. People moved back and forth by boat. Alaska was abandoned by the southern passage.

Caucasian Americans were killed. People are where they were when everyone died. Scientists made up the rest.

american cool "disco" dan
1/19/2019 12:25:16 am

"I have written to you before about the Andaste - they were indeed giant cannibals, and the other peoples remembered them that way."

It's the Newport Tower all over again. The Dutch, Swedish, and French, all of whom wrote stuff down, did not say "There are bitchin' giant cannibals here!"

Because they weren't giant, and if Injuns want to eat other Injuns, who fucking cares?

But the issue of lack of contemporaneous records is just another sign of Chief talking out of his ass, or as the Native Americans say "talking out of his ass."

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/19/2019 04:32:59 am

You are very silly sir!

Mr. Pangia didn't write it down, but all the academics think he brought everyone together in one mass of stupidity.

BTW, Pangia was global, not continental. Swamp land earth.

I know, I wrote it down when I visited it as an amoeba.

Proud Ramp
1/19/2019 04:41:36 pm

Mr Grondine did you know they got giant andaste still around. The indian that played big chief in one flew over the coo coo nest was really 9 feet tall and they had to do special affects to make it look like he was only about 7 foot tall. He died pretty young because he grew too much and it ruptured his organs. I seen a picture of him standing next to one of the negros that played orderlys in the movie and them was pretty big boys but they looked like little kids standing next to him. They need to make one of his kids take the DNA test and I bet it will show that he is Andaste.

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Corvus Corone
1/19/2019 08:17:26 pm

Think you can get away with telling tall tales ‘round here?

The actor who played Chief Bromden in One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest was Will Sampson a Muskogee indian from Oklahoma. He was tall for a Native American. and stood a well proportioned 6’ 7”, which is no way close to nine feet. But he looks quite large standing next to the 5’ 10” Jack Nicholson.
Please be a little less proud and do some research

E.P. Grondine
1/21/2019 01:29:18 pm

Hi PR -

Yes, I have met Native Americans in whom the height gene has expressed. If you go to enough powwows, you will meet them- which is no surprise. Even when they call you at home to thank you for finally writing about the Andaste, which is a pleasant surprise.

What I believe occurred was a pretty robust homo erectus made it into the Black Sea area about 3 million years ago. Exposed to that much food, and there you go.

American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/21/2019 03:02:43 pm

What you've actually claimed is that you've met multiple Injuns over 7 feet tall. Yet you cannot name ONE.

This week only, I'm using "Injuns" to refer to imaginary people, so it can't be racist. :/

Ever think that "the height gene" might have come from European inseminators? I thought not. All history is the history of insemination.

Seymore Butts
1/20/2019 10:29:04 pm

Andrew Collins, otherwise known as "Cokehead"

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American Cool "Disco" Dan
1/21/2019 01:11:17 pm

Who would win in a fight, Cygnus or Orion?

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/21/2019 03:03:40 pm

Orion is 1 for 2
Cygnus is 3 for 2

It will take Cygnus two generations to have a 9 to 1 advantage.

Orion can take anyone at 10 to 1 odds

So, Cygnus will be victorious in the third generation if he remains quiet and does not battle Orion before that time.

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American Cool "disco" dan
1/21/2019 04:23:52 pm

People who post as "Eagle Feather" can reliably be counted on to bring the nonsense.

American coo "disco" dan
1/21/2019 05:14:44 pm

Who would inseminate? Is Orion a birdfucker?

EAGLE FEATHER
1/21/2019 05:54:29 pm

That would be the Goa'uld.

A godfather which produces ambrosia for the subordinate class is given hypnotic drugs by religious forces to reimburse the godfather for improving their position in the world.

The godson therefore uses the drug on his enemy. Thereby, impregnating his nemesis' wife. Thereby, deleting his enemy without battle and increasing his own numbers.

God's do not share their seed without watching over and supervising their seedling kin. Therefore, the world becomes inhabited by demigods who outnumber the gods. The hydra.

American cool "Disco" Dan
1/21/2019 07:32:21 pm

As has been said, people who post as "Eagle Feather" can reliably be counted on to bring the nonsense.

Did you know that every time you fucked a bird it ruptured the egg sac and killed the bird?

EAGLE FEATHER
1/21/2019 10:57:34 pm

Your comment was painted.

"every time" - not since Caesarian ruled the section.

EAGLE FEATHER
1/22/2019 08:00:21 am

Who would win in a fight, Cygnus or Orion?

Conversely - If Cygnus and Orion were sisters. Or whereby, Cygnus was the sister of Zeus. And, Orion was the sister of Proximo (Samson).

Then,

Cygnus is love (2 for 2), and Orion is a nun (0 for 0)

Or,

Cygnus is a party girl (0 for 2), and Orion is love (1 for 1)

Cygnus wins in the first, Orion wins in the second.

Insight is Philosophy, Philosophy is Insight.

It is a debate of thought, for every time a variable changes in Insight... the outcome changes. Thus, the debate.

No winners, all losers.

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/22/2019 08:19:08 am

For the record, there was one winner:

** Cygnus the male was 3 for 2 **

Cygnus the female was 2 for 2
Orion the female was 1 for 1
Orion the male was 1 for 2
Orion the female was 0 for 0
Cygnus the female was 0 for 2

The Hydra defeated every scenario, but one. Cygnus the male was full of hate, emotion, jealousy, and self pity. What a world to live in?

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EAGLE FEATHER
1/22/2019 08:43:18 am

Note to winner:

** Cygnus the male was 3 for 2 **

Taking into account, he mixed with the females who were born of the Hydra of Orion the male who lost. Then the 3 for 2 fades to become a copy of a copy of a copy. Thus, rendering his score to be 2 for 2. For, he also loses to the Hydra. For, his brother Orion became the Hydra to combat his brother. Thereby, Cygnus becomes the Hydra over time since he blends into it. A fading copy.

Razumov link
1/24/2019 09:37:44 pm

When confronted by such complete pablum, your only move is to scream RACISM?

This doesn't say anything good about your own mental abilities.

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