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Anti-Islamic Christian Conspiracy Theorist Attacks Anti-Catholic Christian Conspiracy Theory about Nimrod for Not Being Anti-Islamic Enough

2/7/2017

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​A Christian radical who made his career from fomenting anti-Islamic sentiment is now openly attacking other lunatic Christians’ conspiracy theories because they aren’t anti-Islamic enough. Joel Richardson is the author of a number of Islamophobic books like Islamic Antichrist and is a frequent contributor to World Net Daily, a conservative news and opinion of site of dubious credibility. He is the director of a documentary from the site’s film division called End Times Eyewitness. An article posted on WND on Sunday explains Richardson’s new claims, which directly challenge a different Antichrist conspiracy theory, one that directly contradicts Richardson’s own.
​To understand what’s going on here, we should probably start with the original Antichrist conspiracy theory and then how Richardson is attempting to undermine it to promote a separate one more in tune with modern evangelical Christian politics.
 
The conspiracy theory in question was promulgated by Alexander Hislop in his 1853 pamphlet, later expanded into an 1858 book, called The Two Babylons. In the book, Hislop, a Presbyterian theologian, alleged that the Biblical figure of Nimrod founded a Satanic mystery school that became the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church, whose popes secretly indulge in worship of the diabolical Nimrod, the model of the Antichrist. Hislop railed against the Catholic Church and demanded that Christians excise it from the community of believers: “Let every Christian henceforth and for ever treat it as an outcast from the pale of Christianity. Instead of speaking of it as a Christian Church, let it be recognised and regarded as the Mystery of Iniquity, yea, as the very Synagogue of Satan.”
 
The trouble with this claim, which remains popular among the anti-Catholic wing of evangelical Christianity, is that it cuts off a lucrative potential market for Christian conspiracy theories. Since the late 1970s, when evangelical leaders made common cause with Catholics in the wake of Roe v. Wade, the fiction of a unified conservative faith community has made it more difficult to use traditional Protestant Anti-Catholic propaganda for financial gain while trying to appeal to Catholics to bolster the political power of Christian conservatives. Richardson, therefore, takes issue with Hislop’s conspiracy theory, one that he assumes many in his evangelical audience intuitively believe, as he told Carl Gallup’s Freedom Friday, as transcribed by WND:
“These traditions concerning Nimrod – if you read any number of books that deal with this topic, they have all these stories concerning Nimrod,” he explained. “About how Nimrod married Semiramis, this woman from the Middle East, and they started this religion, and then she killed him and he was reincarnated as Tammuz – just this incredible detailed story. … But all of these stories – none of them are found the Bible.
 
“All of them come from a series of different traditions which cannot be traced any older than about the first century. Most of them all Talmudic stories. And the problem with that is that if you go to the different stories about Nimrod in the Talmud, they are incredible contradictory. In some of the stories, Nimrod is a good guy, in some of them he’s a bad guy. When you go to the actual history, then you find out that Semiramis, this woman he was supposedly married to, she lived well over 1,200 years after he was alive. They didn’t even live in the same millennium!
 
“And so this whole story that Christians have just latched onto believing that it’s essentially Bible truth, there’s no historical or biblical basis for it. And this is a problem because this whole story, this Nimrod myth, really forms the very foundation [of a lot of beliefs about the identity of Mystery Babylon].”
​The “Mystery Babylon” is a fictitious city that Richardson and some Rapture-ready evangelicals believe will be Satan’s counterpoint to the New Jerusalem, the city of God. It derives from the words written on the head of the Whore of Babylon (“Mystery, Babylon the Great”) in Revelation 17:5. In Revelation 17:18, the woman is identified as the “great city” which reigns over the earth, one made up of seven hills and ruled by tyrannical kings. Rome, with its emperors and seven hills, is quite clearly indicated, but Richardson does not want to allow for that because it would compromise the unity of Christianity against Islam, in his view.
 
Richardson is right, though, that ancient legends about Nimrod take many forms, but this is because there was a theological disagreement about him. Jewish folklore contained two strains of Nimrod stories, some making him a hero and others representing him as a Nephilim-giant who opposed God. The claim that he married Semiramis is an odd one, deriving from a conflation of the Biblical figure of Nimrod with the mythical Assyrian king Ninus from Greek historiography. This conflation occurred in the Pseudo-Clementine Recognitions, and it carried over into Hislop’s Two Babylons, where it forms the historical foundation for his conspiracy theory.
 
Richardson, to his credit, recognizes that he is combatting Hislop, and he directly criticizes not just Hislop’s ideas but also his character, alleging that he suffered from “mental psychosis.” He devotes a long monologue to explaining why Catholicism shouldn’t be considered anti-Christian or Satanic.  But why? The answer is made stunningly clear: He fantasizes about a unified Christendom launching a holy war—one might even call it a jihad—against Islam, which he alleges is the faith of Satan, with Mecca as the new Babylon:
Well in the last days, the question is, what is the reigning beast empire? We’ve got seven historical, Satanic empires? What is the empire of our day, where Satan’s stronghold is over the Earth? … The answer is that it’s the Islamic empire. Islam is the last beast empire. The system of the Antichrist, the religion of the Antichrist is Islam. And so if we look to the spiritual and financial capital of the Islamic world, it’s the city of Mecca and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
​Richardson devoted so much spleen to bashing Hislop because he wanted to appropriate Hislop’s arguments and remove them from Catholicism to Islam. It’s the exact same argument, but with the details shifted from Rome to Mecca. He even attempts to paganize Mecca in the weirdest way possible. It’s well-known that the Kaaba in Mecca had served as a pagan temple before Muhammad (though the Qur’an says it was a temple to God founded by Abraham), yet instead of attributing its use to the Arab gods, Richardson says it was a Hindu temple of Shiva! This is an especially deep cut in fringe religious literature. Hindus and Muslims have long struggled for supremacy on the subcontinent, and so some Hindu nationalists invented the idea that the Kaaba was originally a temple of Shiva on account of a dubious linguistic claim (that Kaaba is a corruption of the Sanskrit Gabha, or temple), an allegation that the circumambulation of the Kaaba is borrowed from Shiva worship, and that Islamic violence can be attributed to Shiva’s ferociousness. Subtle arguments these are not.
 
Interestingly, while the arguments are mostly of modern original, centuries ago, when the balance of power was different, the Hindus alleged that the Black Stone of the Kaaba was actually a divine Hindu lingam, which Muhammad had stolen and placed in the Kaaba to show contempt for Hinduism. Edward Moor recorded this story in 1810, based on his travels in India.
 
The older version suggests victimhood, while the newer, more aggressive version asserts ownership.
 
But we are getting a bit off topic. Richardson has accepted Hindu nationalist propaganda at face value simply because it is anti-Islamic.
 
Richardson started from a conclusion that Islam is a world-historical threat to Christianity and the West, and from this he has tried to back-form Biblical prophecies to justify a war against Muslims. The interesting part of the sad exercise is watching him have to tear apart an earlier generation of Christian conspiracy theories to do so, all while remaining willfully blind to his own use of the same arguments that he denigrates in the hands of his opponents. If Hislop was mentally ill for seeing Catholics as perpetuating pagan idolatry, what does that make Richardson when he sees the same in Islam?
 
“The city of Mecca, quite simply, is the greatest city of idolatry that mankind has yet to produce,” he said. “Every day, 1.62 billion people, the world’s second largest religion after Christianity as a whole, bow five times towards that city and pray towards that great pagan idol called the Kaaba.” Richardson, oblivious to logic and irony, claimed that the Christian cross and crucifix were not icons but merely symbols. The difference? He doesn’t say, but his suggestion that Muslims are duped into praying at an idol while Christians merely pray in the direction of a symbol by choice implies that Muslims are a mental grade below Christians.
 
I’d love to hear him explain why it’s OK for Catholics, if they aren’t Satanic Nimrod-worshipers, to believe they literally eat the body and blood of Jesus. Surely that is a whole horrific layer beyond merely praying in a given direction, particularly since evangelicals take the same bread and wine to be merely symbols. The point is that Richardson is another pious hypocrite happily picking and choosing layers of selective outrage to further a conservative political agenda. I know that 9/11 did a real number on the American psyche, but this whole End Times lust for a global religious and/or race war is disturbing. We saw yesterday that Trump advisor Steve Bannon wants a global war against Islam, too. Are we so far removed from World War II that these ideological looney tunes don’t realize how horrible a global war would be? Or do they really think that Jesus will ride in on his horse to save all the white folks?
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A Buddhist
2/7/2017 12:23:19 pm

Since these conspiracy theorists tend to be Christian apocalypticists, I do not understand why you are rhetorical in your question about Jesus. The Bible presents Jesus as the great saviour/defeater of Satan's armies in a great war. See, e.g., Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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Only Me
2/7/2017 02:06:33 pm

It's rhetorical because the article details another example of someone trying to find justification for their hatred.

Does Richardson actually believe it's his Christian duty to wipe out Islam? Is it more likely his hatred is based on an irrational fear of the "other"? It's difficult to say when he willingly uses propaganda from others to support his views. It's especially odd when he doesn't go out of his way to explain why Islam is the problem, but not other religions, e.g., Hinduism.

I think it's more likely he attaches himself to whatever idea is most popular in the circles he frequents.

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Americanegro
2/9/2017 08:10:04 pm

Because Indians are inherently genetically lazy there aren't a lot of Hindus cutting peoples heads off. I consider that once someone self-identifies as "someone who cuts peoples heads off as a religious duty or exercise" it is my duty as a human being to kill them and stop that nonsense.

V
2/10/2017 12:14:48 am

...obviously, you know nothing about India or its history. Did you never hear the etymology of the word "thug?" The thugee were a group of INDIAN people who were HINDU adherents of the goddess KALI whose RELIGIOUS OBLIGATION was to murder people who offended Kali. By STRANGLING THEM. And have you SEEN the sheer variety of weapons the Indian cultures have come up with? That's not the work of "inherently lazy" people who have no interest in killing large numbers of other people.

You're a nasty bigot and a COMPLETE hypocrite. What the FUCK is wrong with you? "It is my duty as a human being to kill them" is EXACTLY THE ATTITUDE you're claiming they have! YOU GO FIRST, then. The world will be safer.

Christine Erikson link
2/14/2017 09:41:58 am

how about none of the reasons given, rather, that he knows the history and how islam has behaved and would still behave if not broken or bribed by contrary elements. not to mention the current threat.

even if not a violent threat, it would be another kind of threat: theologically it is wrong, but even you would admit that the lifestyle that it would enforce in its purest form, even if the conversions were never done by fear, would be inimical to all you hold dear both good and bad.

DaveR
2/7/2017 01:05:09 pm

The problem is you have some fanatical evangelicals and Christians who want a global war for the express purpose of wiping out Islam. Also you have an American government controlled by millionaires and billionaires who understand how much money can be made in war, look at Halliburton for one example. None of these people care about the waste, suffering, death, and destruction a war will cause because they're either looking at it through the lens of religion or the veil of greed.

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flip
2/7/2017 01:38:19 pm

I see parallels with the 'discovery' of the New World: a thirst for resources and money and a zealous need to convert unbelievers, coming from white men who feel no reason not to exploit as much as they can where and when they can. Lessons unlearned indeed.

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Bob Jase
2/7/2017 01:13:41 pm

"Nimrod founded a Satanic mystery school that became the foundation of the Roman Catholic Church, whose popes secretly indulge in worship of the diabolical Nimrod"

I may never see Elmer Fudd quite as I used to.

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At Risk
2/7/2017 01:36:56 pm

Seriously, Jason, you are missing the "fact" that plenty of black people think Jesus will ride in on his horse to save all the black folks, too (believers, of course). This comes across as "race-baiting" your blog, which doesn't look too good, especially with all the recent political jargon. You should remember (like the Hollywood group) that many of your fans (well, some) are right-leaning, in spite of being loyal fellow skeptics. I don't think you should eat into your potential fan-base by going too far into politics and religion on a personal basis. (It leaks through, staining your blog.) Shouldn't these two controversial subjects be avoided in "mixed company" here...if I may use the term loosely?

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flip
2/7/2017 01:47:46 pm

Andy White pointed out perfectly on his blog that without understanding history, one can't fully engage with political issues. And much of historicy has had religious underpinnings. Talking about it in a vacuum is pointless and impossible, and suggestions of leaving politics/religion out always sound oddly revealing to me: that the person complaining is instead annoyed that their pet buggaboo is being criticised.

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A Buddhist
2/7/2017 02:10:20 pm

As long as Jason avoids saying things such as and similar to "Only through YHVH may we avoid damnation," "No historical record can be true to the extent that it contradicts the Bible," "The Buddha Amitabha is a demon, equivalent to Ba'al," etc., then he may inject whatever discussion of religion he wants into his writings, and I will continue to read and enjoy them.

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flip
2/7/2017 02:37:26 pm

I'll partially agree with you. I see no problem with Jason criticising any religion or religious claim when it conflicts with science, data and facts. If he chooses to critique actual religious tenets and concepts from a factual basis (and not just the flotsam that has resulted from it, as he usually does) then that's fine by me. I also think that since it's his blog he can do what he likes, though if he does start proselytising I certainly wouldn't read or enjoy either, as I don't care for preaching.

(Interesting that your examples include two where he praises Judaism/Christianity, and criticises Buddhism. Your bias is showing.)

Kal
2/7/2017 01:38:59 pm

Satanic synagogue? Hah ha! That has to be a galactic level oxymoron.

The first five books of the Bible are the same as those in the Talumid and Quoran. Abraham;s sons began the nations, side by side but at odds, like siblings really. So anti Islam and anti Jewish stuff is bull.

Humanity was not meant to be at war. It just is because of the fall in the garden and many other falls afterward.

If Jesus did return he would be a firy liberal and would tell these false prophets and false religious leaders what to do with their tinfoil hat soapbox messages.

As one of your bloggers quoted Revelation, I quote this, "No man shall know the time or hour of Christ's return (ergo God's return) and the judgment times will judge the quick and the dead.

It would be more dangerous for the arrogant falsely righteous, for they will be told 'Low I did not know you' and be cast into that lake of fire.

Redemption doesn't mean for the elite. It means for the grace that Jesus would give to the least of these, to the downcast and sinners, to the gentles and the faithful alike. The rest would not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

"For it is said, It is more difficult for the rich to enter the kingdom than you can strain a camel through the eye of a needle."

Nimrod is not a pleasant character, but he is not a devil. He is just a foolish one. No need to make up a cult about him.

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A Buddhist
2/7/2017 02:04:41 pm

I am not a blogger. But what book of the Bible do you quote from?

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Americanegro
2/8/2017 11:14:44 am

"So anti Islam and anti Jewish stuff is bull." Tell it to the Qur'an, which commands Muslims to kill the monkey Jews hiding behind trees.

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V
2/8/2017 11:59:58 pm

Please quote the verse(s), IN CONTEXT, that say so, because the references *I* know state that the sword should be used in response to force, not first. You know, rather like "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

Americanegro
2/9/2017 08:53:07 am

You caught me, it's not in the Qur'an, it's a hadith. I'll leave it to you to dig up the silsila.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. "

Mark L
2/11/2017 06:52:56 am

Perhaps it's like the Bible verses about slavery (although those verses are actually in the official holy book of their religion) in that it's ignored by the vast majority of adherents to that faith?

Tom
2/7/2017 03:21:54 pm

The evangelicals and their kin appear to believe that the "end times" are nigh and the rapture approaches but consider, can they be certain just who is to be raptured, perhaps it will be all non evangelicals being raptured leaving only he evangelicals to face years of torment as a further test of faith?
Regarding the Kaaba, it was originally a christian church.
How the last supper and the bread and wine story came about is still argued but it appears to have begun with Paul as a vision of his christ showing Paul how to remember him which was made into the tale we know.
As for Nimrud/Nimrod perhaps the ferocity of the Assyrians may have generated the myth?

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Frank
2/7/2017 08:17:27 pm

How does it feel to be on the wrong side of history Jason?

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Killbuck
2/7/2017 09:14:42 pm

Perhaps these knuckleheads will spend more time driving stakes into each others hearts and save us a lot of misery.

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V
2/9/2017 12:01:40 am

Not holding out much hope, given how many of the recent "decisions" have directly impacted me and people I know personally.

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BIGNICK
2/7/2017 10:48:12 pm

Funny how these guys always seem to skip over the bible verses that say to turn the other cheek. Or the one about loving your neighbor as you love yourself. Nope. Just skip to revelations. That's where the good stuff is.

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bkd69
2/8/2017 01:39:32 am

That's not fair...a great number of them place great stock in Genesis 4:9 as well.

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Americanegro
2/8/2017 11:19:41 am

I like the part where the daughters say "Let us make our father drunk with wine" and he got drunk and he went into them and he knew them. Even in his drunken state he was able to pull off the elusive double daughter threeway.

V
2/9/2017 12:03:09 am

Or perhaps most importantly, Jesus' nice "mind your own beeswax" speech--the Adulteress at the Well, and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." The message there was REALLY clear, ie, that someone else's business is their own.

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At Risk
2/8/2017 10:38:04 am

I'd like to see Jason return to the Newport Tower, as a potential Fourteenth century edifice revealing the southern reaches of Vinland.

In hindsight, I think this obviously medieval defensive church structure commands a better view of medieval European events here in America than does the Kensington Runestone. That debate is at somewhat of a stalemate, I'm afraid, while I think Jason might now go further to show that the Newport Tower does not fit into a Zeno narrative or a Prince Henry Sinclair scenario of around AD 1400, because the Newport Tower is likely older than these distractions.

Look no further than the Scandinavian "round churches" of an earlier period than AD 1400, and we may discover that the KRS party came from an area on America's east coast that was already adorned with what is now likely America's oldest European structure...a Catholic church, not a post-Templar church.

It's not too late in the game to get real about the Newport Tower....

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Americanegro
2/8/2017 11:28:10 am

You need to take your own advice and "get real" about it. Did the Scandinavian "round churches" lack a first floor? It's clearly a windmill and there's provenance for it. And where are the contemporaneous Scandivinian accounts of settling New England? Where are the Nordic place names? Where's the pottery, the first thing an archaeologist looks for?

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At Risk link
2/9/2017 12:47:23 pm

I'm not answering this for you AMERICANEGRO, I'm supplying this quote by Holand for Jason's benefit, to hopefully get him back on the track of skepticism of things seen as historically fringe...instead of politics. I hope that once the Newport Tower is seen as positively NOT a windmill, then other considerations might apply.

(Laboriously keyed in)

From "AMERICA 1355 - 1364," by Hjalmar R. Holand:

Chapter 5, The Construction Details:

For three hundred years people have called the Tower at Newport a windmill, yet very little has been done to ascertain whether it was adaptable to windmill use. In one matter of fundamental importance there has been total oblivion. This has to do with the use of wind for motive power. There were several types and shapes of windmills, but all had one thing in common. This was a facility for bringing the vanes opposite to the wind so as to obtain the needed power. To accomplish this it was necessary, either to rotate the whole building around a vertical pivot, as was done in the case of the earliest types, or to have a rotating roof which would bring the attached vanes into the desired position. The Newport Tower does not fit into either class. Being fixed in the ground, it cannot rotate, nor could the roof rotate, because th top of the wall is not a true circle."

In fact, the top of the wall is WAY OFF from being a true circle. I, myself, am the inventor of a new type of wind turbine, which utilizes a new component called a "slotted tube-shroud." I received a very good review from the University of Texas, which is America's premier "wind college," so to speak. Thus, I know the difference between a proposed colonial wind turbine and a fortified medieval Scandinavian church, with both fireplace and altar, to be entered by ladder at the 2nd floor...because I am an inventor. In this regard, I have credentials to say that the Newport Tower is not a windmill.

www.hallmarkemporium.com

I hope my new technology might help in our fight against global warming in some way, assuming the world's scientists are right.

"You can lead an ass to the wind, but you can't make him think." - Bob Voyles

(I can't help all this, since I was born on Franklin's birthday.)

Americanegro
2/9/2017 08:25:28 pm

Dude, you are way off into cold fusion territory. Please share with us your "review" from the "University of Texas" and explain how a building with no ground floor makes sense, ESPECIALLY A CHURCH WITH NO GROUND FLOOR.

At Risk
2/10/2017 12:00:12 pm

Adding in the necessary ladder (again) will help you understand...or not. Here's where you can show how intelligent you can be at times...or not, too....

Commenting to you further about my wind turbine invention would be the fulfillment of ignoring good advice not to cast pearls in certain directions, as you've proven yourself to be a vile man here, AMERICANEGRO, and more than once.

Jason: If the Newport Tower isn't a colonial windmill, what is it...all politics aside? Do you think it would be a good idea to idealize the Tower as pre-Sinclair, if it would help your struggle to clarify how the Zeno Narrative is fake, or erroneous at best? You may show that the Swedish/Norwegian Tower likely pre-dates both Zeno and Sinclair, therefore ripping these false notions of building the Tower from the grasp of "post-Templar East Coast" advocates.

Again, if the Tower isn't a windmill, what is it? The title "defensive Catholic church" seems to fit the bill, but why does the Tower look medieval? Ha! Because it is! But, we don't want to attribute it to the wrong people, or to the wrong time-frame, do we? So, it deserves more attention and scrutiny, not another decade of abuse by skeptics.

People of intelligence need to realize that the Newport Tower is not a windmill, and that it was likely designed and built by Scandinavians...the same people who inhabited Vinland of Old. Surprise, surprise. I surmise that, more than likely, the Tower was already in existance in 1362, when men originally from Scandinavia claimed to be from Vinland on a long waterway journey to far-inland America.

An Over-Educated Grunt, PE
2/10/2017 01:40:55 pm

As a practicing civil engineer in the state of Texas, I can categorically tell you that UT isn't the best or even second best wind engineering program in the state. Texas Tech has the best, followed by A&M, with UT a close third, hampered mainly by their lack of experimental space in Austin compared to the others.

As someone with more than a passing interest in medieval construction, a church with restricted access to the public worship spaces is totally out of keeping with traditional construction. It categorically does not make sense.

At Risk
2/10/2017 09:31:00 pm

AN OVER-EDUCATED GRUNT, PE, I stand corrected. You are correct, and In fact, I should have said Texas Tech University, which is the college I received the favorable report from. My memory slipped on that one; my contact was David E. Snow.

Now, please be as astute concerning the "restricted access," you referred to on the Newport Tower. I mean to be clear that the Newport Tower was built with defensive measures in mind, not the least of which was the ability to ascend a ladder and pull it up out of reach of attackers. I don't understand why this doesn't seem reasonable as a means of quickly restricting access in an emergency.

It could be that some Scandinavian churches being emulated were designed with this same purpose in mind, because of attacts by Vikings, or post-Viking hostile forces. Anyway, in my opinion as a windmill inventor, it is not possible that the Newport Tower was ever used as a windmill, period.

At Risk
2/10/2017 09:49:22 pm

I'm not getting any younger and my memory isn't what it used to be. Nothing to do with moving to Colorado. Here's the report from Texas Tech University:

http://www.hallmarkemporium.com/discoveries/id26.html

At Risk
2/13/2017 11:44:35 am

Grunt, for the sake of some beginning point of clarity about the Newport Tower, it will help to note that we're dealing with a structure that was likely three "stories" high, but having only two actual "floors," in the tradition sense of living space. The bottom, ground space of the arches we can now see both separated from danger and supported the upper two floors. H. Holand explained that the second-floor doorway was originally thought to be a window, until comparisons were made to similiar architecture in Scandinavian round churches.

The Newport Tower really does appear to be a medieval, Scandinavian defensive Catholic church, with many features not unlike similiar structures in Europe, but no one knows when it was built. Holand wanted to peg it to the "Sir Paul Knutson search party," which would have been around AD 1355 - 1365, and Wolter (and many others) would like to peg it to around AD 1400, about a generation later, in support of a Glooscap/Sinclaire narrative, which includes post-Templars.

For lack of proof of any of these AD 1400 activities, or for any of the AD 1355 - 1365 proposed activities, we need to look at the Newport Tower itself for important historical details. An intelligent look has already been taken by many scholars, and important comparisons have been made to European Scandinavian structures. Here is a short excerpt from Holand's "America..." book, page 76:

"Their principal model for the exterior appearance was probably the Church of St. Olaf in Tunsberg, built in the early part of the thirteenth century. Another familiar and hignly venerated model was the Cathedral of Hamar in southern Norway, from the same period, which is now a ruin, but whose archades of round pillars and circular arches, still standing, are very much like the pillars and arches of the Neport Tower."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_Ruins_in_Hamar

So, here we see Holand supporting the notion that the tower appears similiar to structures in Scandinavia built in the early part of the thirteenth century. Let's take this to be around AD 1225 or so. This is much earlier than the other two proposed time-frames, which might lead us (well, some of us) to think that the tower existed earlier in the Vinland period than previously thought...excluding both the Kensington Runestone period and the generation of post-Templars to follow as builders of the tower. (Though not possible occupiers.)

So, it may be that the Newport Tower was built into a very real Vinland scene earlier than thought. We might go ahead and assume that Vinland was a region, like other regions talked about, northward. If so, then it may be logical to conclude that the Newport Tower was built and has been situated in southern Vinland, where it presently stands, at a much earlier time than previously thought.

Kal
2/8/2017 03:02:01 pm

My point was an opinion and my quotes were corruptions on purpose. The point was that those who are to be judged will be judged in the end times, if that is what right wingers think, and they will be judged unworthy because they are.

The original intent of those holy books in the old testament versions was that they were all brothers who fell into sin and did not follow God. Even if you take it as a myth and a lot of stories, it is a lesson for people even today., up for misinterpretation.

I am not going to go into the heavily altered parts of these texts, including the comment about the monkeys.

If you post here you are a blogger. Own it. Cheers.

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flip
2/9/2017 01:11:13 am

You need a dictionary. Jason is a blogger, as a blogger is someone who creates and publishes the post on the website. A synonym would be author or writer.

Everyone who posts in the comments is NOT a blogger as they are not the originators of the written material. We are the commentators. A synonym would be the audience or readers.

An analogy would be the writer of an article in a newspaper and the letters to the editor. One doesn't earn the title of journalist simply by submitting a letter to the editor. Those who submit letters are commenting on and about the content, not creating it themselves.

This is what the others have objected to because you seem to have a different understanding of what the word means as compared to everyone else.

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Kal
2/9/2017 02:08:52 pm

Blooger. Noun. A person who regularly writes for a blog on the internet. Or. A person who comments on a blog on the internet. Or a person replied to by the blog editor and keeps up a dialog with the person.

Akin of a columnist, a blogger can be a writer of said blog, or his commenters, such as on an editorial page.

A poster is a person who adds blog posts to a given blog, but a poster can also be a blogger.

Akin to an editorial column, a blog may also contain commentaries in the editorial, usually opinions, and may share also insights and facts.

Like in the old magazines, blogs are essentially what the editor wanted to add, ergo letters to the editor, but is not exactly lettering to the editor, as it is instant reply.

A blogger may also be a comment contributor is there is an actual reply from the blog editor, such that then they become a blogger, hereto in the conversation.

Long story short, anyone posting (your comments) and getting replied from the editor of this blog (Jason) is also a blogger.

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flip
2/9/2017 02:47:26 pm

I have no idea where you're getting your definition from. Care to share a link? Because you're using it in no way that I've ever heard professional IT people, writers, bloggers and journalists use it. It's not the way it shows up in Oxford dictionary, nor on Wikipedia.

A blog is simply a form of publishing content, like a newspaper is. A blog POST is the individual content, like an article in a newspaper. A blog COMMENT is like a letter to the editor. Jason can be both blogger and commentator, we can not (unless he gives us permission to guest post the main article) because we're not actually writing the main article.

... Good job on using the troll trope too. Because criticising one of your many misapprehensions is now redefined as trolling. Please enjoy your martyr parade. *roll eyes* (My god you don't even understand a) defamation laws and b) not all countries have the same ones where you live. Please go read some Popehat before spouting off so smugly.)

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Americanegro
2/9/2017 08:18:52 pm

"or whatever else I want whatever it is to say."

Kal
2/9/2017 02:23:41 pm

A troll. Noun. A person who posts on a blog with no intent to actually contribute to it. A person who posts on a blog with intent to upset the others commenting, to incite some form of self gratification. A person who is a bully who just wishes in anonymity to make people mad or sad.

A troll may just be out for attention or for some kind of public regard, but is usually just posting for self gratification. Often the troll will post in anonymity, believing they will not be found out.

The cycle of this may become an obsession, leading to an unhealthy interest in the blog posters or commentators.

Then follow the steps of basic psychological denial, hate, distancing and blame, common in narcissistic individuals, but not all such cases.

At first they will respond to comments with unflattering words, anger or spite, and then it will be denial of said words, and then eventually a claim of some sort of legal action against said comments.

They will eventually think they are being deceived. Then will come the claim they will not post ever again, only to post immediately afterward. Eventually the person may go so far as to escalate, going one of two ways, paranoid or angry, even possibly threatening the blog editor. This usually results in them being banned.

Ultimately though, the troll does not want to be banned, as then they cannot have the satisfaction of having their opinions posted.

Like the attention seeker, the troll wishes to see words in print and gets a thrill out of making other people see those words. The troll will not usually have their own blog though, as it is much easier to be a pest.

Trolling is technically a form of hateful speech, but not in fact hate speech, unless it escalates. No matter how much the troll thinks he can 'sue for defamation' they cannot as by definition a blog editor is a private citizen with the rights to remove said pest or ban them at any time, for any reason.

Mic drop.

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Americanegro
2/9/2017 08:36:58 pm

Like the attention seeker, the troll wishes to see words in print and gets a thrill out of making other people see those words. The troll will not usually have their own blog though, as it is much easier to be a pest.

Like the attention seeker, the troll wishes to see words in print and gets a thrill out of making other people see those words. The troll will not usually have their own blog though, as it is much easier to be a pest.

Like the attention seeker, the troll wishes to see words in print and gets a thrill out of making other people see those words. The troll will not usually have their own blog though, as it is much easier to be a pest.

Like the attention seeker, the troll wishes to see words in print and gets a thrill out of making other people see those words. The troll will not usually have their own blog though, as it is much easier to be a pest.

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    • Collection: Ancient Alien Fraud >
      • Chariots of the Gods at 50
      • Secret History of Ancient Astronauts
      • Of Atlantis and Aliens
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      • Profiles in Ancient Astronautics >
        • Erich von Däniken
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      • Blunders in the Sky
      • The Case of the False Quotes
      • Alternative Authors' Quote Fraud
      • David Childress & the Aliens
      • Faking Ancient Art in Uzbekistan
      • Intimations of Persecution
      • Zecharia Sitchin's World
      • Jesus' Alien Ancestors?
      • Extraterrestrial Evolution?
    • Collection: Skeptic Magazine >
      • America Before Review
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      • Interview: Scott Sigler
      • Golden Fleeced
      • Oh the Horror
      • Discovery of America
      • Supernatural Television
      • Review of Civilization One
      • Who Lost the Middle Ages
      • Charioteer of the Gods
    • Collection: Ancient History >
      • Prehistoric Nuclear War
      • The China Syndrome
      • Atlantis, Mu, and the Maya
      • Easter Island Exposed
      • Who Built the Sphinx?
      • Who Built the Great Pyramid?
      • Archaeological Cover Up?
    • Collection: The Lovecraft Legacy >
      • Pauwels, Bergier, and Lovecraft
      • Lovecraft in Bergier
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    • Collection: UFOs >
      • Alien Abduction at the Outer Limits
      • Aliens and Anal Probes
      • Ultra-Terrestrials and UFOs
      • Rebels, Queers, and Aliens
    • Scholomance: The Devil's School
    • Prehistory of Chupacabra
    • The Templars, the Holy Grail, & Henry Sinclair
    • Magicians of the Gods Review
    • The Curse of the Pharaohs
    • The Antediluvian Pyramid Myth
    • Whitewashing American Prehistory
    • James Dean's Cursed Porsche
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    • Ancient Mysteries >
      • Ancient Texts >
        • Mesopotamian Texts >
          • Atrahasis Epic
          • Epic of Gilgamesh
          • Kutha Creation Legend
          • Babylonian Creation Myth
          • Descent of Ishtar
          • Berossus
          • Comparison of Antediluvian Histories
        • Egyptian Texts >
          • The Shipwrecked Sailor
          • Dream Stela of Thutmose IV
          • The Papyrus of Ani
          • Classical Accounts of the Pyramids
          • Inventory Stela
          • Manetho
          • Eratosthenes' King List
          • The Story of Setna
          • Leon of Pella
          • Diodorus on Egyptian History
          • On Isis and Osiris
          • Famine Stela
          • Old Egyptian Chronicle
          • The Book of Sothis
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        • Teshub and the Dragon
        • Hermetica >
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          • The Secret of Creation
          • Ancient Alphabets Explained
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          • Book of the 24 Philosophers
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        • Hesiod's Theogony
        • Periplus of Hanno
        • Ctesias' Indica
        • Sanchuniathon
        • Sima Qian
        • Syncellus's Enoch Fragments
        • The Book of Enoch
        • Slavonic Enoch
        • Sepher Yetzirah
        • Tacitus' Germania
        • De Dea Syria
        • Aelian's Various Histories
        • Julius Africanus' Chronography
        • Eusebius' Chronicle
        • Chinese Accounts of Rome
        • Ancient Chinese Automaton
        • The Orphic Argonautica
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        • Annianus on the Watchers
        • The Watchers and Antediluvian Wisdom
      • Medieval Texts >
        • Medieval Legends of Ancient Egypt >
          • Medieval Pyramid Lore
          • John Malalas on Ancient Egypt
          • Fragments of Abenephius
          • Akhbar al-zaman
          • Ibrahim ibn Wasif Shah
          • Murtada ibn al-‘Afif
          • Al-Maqrizi on the Pyramids
          • Al-Suyuti on the Pyramids
        • The Hunt for Noah's Ark
        • Isidore of Seville
        • Book of Liang: Fusang
        • Agobard on Magonia
        • Book of Thousands
        • Voyage of Saint Brendan
        • Power of Art and of Nature
        • Travels of Sir John Mandeville
        • Yazidi Revelation and Black Book
        • Al-Biruni on the Great Flood
        • Voyage of the Zeno Brothers
        • The Kensington Runestone (Hoax)
        • Islamic Discovery of America
        • The Aztec Creation Myth
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        • Atlantis >
          • Plato's Atlantis Dialogues >
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            • Critias
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          • Panchaea: The Other Atlantis
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          • Gómara on Atlantis
          • Sardinia and Atlantis
          • Santorini and Atlantis
          • The Mound Builders and Atlantis
          • Donnelly's Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Morocco
          • Atlantis and the Sea Peoples
          • W. Scott-Elliot >
            • The Story of Atlantis
            • The Lost Lemuria
          • The Lost Atlantis
          • Atlantis in Africa
          • How I Found Atlantis (Hoax)
          • Termier on Atlantis
          • The Critias and Minoan Crete
          • Rebuttal to Termier
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          • Flinders Petrie on Atlantis
        • Lost Cities >
          • Miscellaneous Lost Cities
          • The Seven Cities
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          • Manuscript 512
          • The Idolatrous City of Iximaya (Hoax)
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          • The Elephants of Paredon (Hoax)
        • OOPARTs
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        • Caucasians in Panama
        • Jefferson's Excavation
        • Fictitious Discoveries in America
        • Against Diffusionism
        • Tunnels Under Peru
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        • Mound Builders
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        • The Interglacial Period
        • Solving Oak Island
      • Religious Conspiracies >
        • Pantera, Father of Jesus?
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        • Testimony of Jean de Châlons
        • Rosslyn Chapel and the 'Prentice's Pillar
        • The Many Wives of Jesus
        • Templar Infiltration of Labor
        • Louis Martin & the Holy Bloodline
        • The Life of St. Issa (Hoax)
        • On the Person of Jesus Christ
      • Giants in the Earth >
        • Fossil Origins of Myths >
          • Fossil Teeth and Bones of Elephants
          • Fossil Elephants
          • Fossil Bones of Teutobochus
          • Fossil Mammoths and Giants
          • Giants' Bones Dug Out of the Earth
          • Fossils and the Supernatural
          • Fossils, Myth, and Pseudo-History
          • Man During the Stone Age
          • Fossil Bones and Giants
          • American Elephant Myths
          • The Mammoth and the Flood
          • Fossils and Myth
          • Fossil Origin of the Cyclops
          • Mastodon, Mammoth, and Man
        • Fragments on Giants
        • Manichaean Book of Giants
        • Geoffrey on British Giants
        • Alfonso X's Hermetic History of Giants
        • Boccaccio and the Fossil 'Giant'
        • Book of Howth
        • Purchas His Pilgrimage
        • Edmond Temple's 1827 Giant Investigation
        • The Giants of Sardinia
        • Giants and the Sons of God
        • The Magnetism of Evil
        • Tertiary Giants
        • Smithsonian Giant Reports
        • Early American Giants
        • The Giant of Coahuila
        • Jewish Encyclopedia on Giants
        • Index of Giants
        • Newspaper Accounts of Giants
        • Lanier's A Book of Giants
      • Science and History >
        • Halley on Noah's Comet
        • The Newport Tower
        • Iron: The Stone from Heaven
        • Ararat and the Ark
        • Pyramid Facts and Fancies
        • Argonauts before Homer
        • The Deluge
        • Crown Prince Rudolf on the Pyramids
        • Old Mythology in New Apparel
        • Blavatsky on Dinosaurs
        • Teddy Roosevelt on Bigfoot
        • Devil Worship in France
        • Maspero's Review of Akhbar al-zaman
        • The Holy Grail as Lucifer's Crown Jewel
        • The Mutinous Sea
        • The Rock Wall of Rockwall
        • Fabulous Zoology
        • The Origins of Talos
        • Mexican Mythology
        • Chinese Pyramids
        • Maqrizi's Names of the Pharaohs
      • Extreme History >
        • Roman Empire Hoax
        • American Antiquities
        • American Cataclysms
        • England, the Remnant of Judah
        • Historical Chronology of the Mexicans
        • Maspero on the Predynastic Sphinx
        • Vestiges of the Mayas
        • Ragnarok: The Age of Fire and Gravel
        • Origins of the Egyptian People
        • The Secret Doctrine >
          • Volume 1: Cosmogenesis
          • Volume 2: Anthropogenesis
        • Phoenicians in America
        • The Electric Ark
        • Traces of European Influence
        • Prince Henry Sinclair
        • Pyramid Prophecies
        • Templars of Ancient Mexico
        • Chronology and the "Riddle of the Sphinx"
        • The Faith of Ancient Egypt
        • Spirit of the Hour in Archaeology
        • Book of the Damned
        • Great Pyramid As Noah's Ark
        • Richard Shaver's Proofs
    • Alien Encounters >
      • US Government Ancient Astronaut Files >
        • Fortean Society and Columbus
        • Inquiry into Shaver and Palmer
        • The Skyfort Document
        • Whirling Wheels
        • Denver Ancient Astronaut Lecture
        • Soviet Search for Lemuria
        • Visitors from Outer Space
        • Unidentified Flying Objects (Abstract)
        • "Flying Saucers"? They're a Myth
        • UFO Hypothesis Survival Questions
        • Air Force Academy UFO Textbook
        • The Condon Report on Ancient Astronauts
        • Atlantis Discovery Telegrams
        • Ancient Astronaut Society Telegram
        • Noah's Ark Cables
        • The Von Daniken Letter
        • CIA Psychic Probe of Ancient Mars
        • Scott Wolter Lawsuit
        • UFOs in Ancient China
        • CIA Report on Noah's Ark
        • CIA Noah's Ark Memos
        • Congressional Ancient Aliens Testimony
        • Ancient Astronaut and Nibiru Email
        • Congressional Ancient Mars Hearing
        • House UFO Hearing
      • Ancient Extraterrestrials >
        • Premodern UFO Sightings
        • The Moon Hoax
        • Inhabitants of Other Planets
        • Blavatsky on Ancient Astronauts
        • The Stanzas of Dzyan (Hoax)
        • Aerolites and Religion
        • What Is Theosophy?
        • Plane of Ether
        • The Adepts from Venus
      • A Message from Mars
      • Saucer Mystery Solved?
      • Orville Wright on UFOs
      • Interdimensional Flying Saucers
      • Flying Saucers Are Real
      • Report on UFOs
    • The Supernatural >
      • The Devils of Loudun
      • Sublime and Beautiful
      • Voltaire on Vampires
      • Demonology and Witchcraft
      • Thaumaturgia
      • Bulgarian Vampires
      • Religion and Evolution
      • Transylvanian Superstitions
      • Defining a Zombie
      • Dread of the Supernatural
      • Vampires
      • Werewolves and Vampires and Ghouls
      • Science and Fairy Stories
      • The Cursed Car
    • Classic Fiction >
      • Lucian's True History
      • Some Words with a Mummy
      • The Coming Race
      • King Solomon's Mines
      • An Inhabitant of Carcosa
      • The Xipéhuz
      • Lot No. 249
      • The Novel of the Black Seal
      • The Island of Doctor Moreau
      • Pharaoh's Curse
      • Edison's Conquest of Mars
      • The Lost Continent
      • Count Magnus
      • The Mysterious Stranger
      • The Wendigo
      • Sredni Vashtar
      • The Lost World
      • The Red One
      • H. P. Lovecraft >
        • Dagon
        • The Call of Cthulhu
        • History of the Necronomicon
        • At the Mountains of Madness
        • Lovecraft's Library in 1932
      • The Skeptical Poltergeist
      • The Corpse on the Grating
      • The Second Satellite
      • Queen of the Black Coast
      • A Martian Odyssey
    • Classic Genre Movies
    • Miscellaneous Documents >
      • The Balloon-Hoax
      • A Problem in Greek Ethics
      • The Migration of Symbols
      • The Gospel of Intensity
      • De Profundis
      • The Life and Death of Crown Prince Rudolf
      • The Bathtub Hoax
      • Crown Prince Rudolf's Letters
      • Position of Viking Women
      • Employment of Homosexuals
      • James Dean's Love Letters
      • The Amazing James Dean Hoax!
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