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Archaeological Institute of America Takes Cash from Cable Purveyor of Pseudoarchaeology Shows and Helps Make Josh Gates Look Good

1/7/2020

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This is another one of those blog posts where I make enemies by pointing out that corporate cash is corrupting. This past weekend the Archaeological Institute of America, a respected nonprofit archaeological organization, held ArchaeoCon 2020 in Washington, D.C. This event, which occurred alongside the AIA Annual Meeting, was intended to promote archaeology and to “showcase” both the AIA and American archaeology for a public audience. So why was the main attraction a lecture by Expedition Unknown host Josh Gates, a man who went on TV and on the radio to tell America that he was pretty sure space aliens were involved in building some archaeological sites? That answer explains quite a bit about the destructive but symbiotic nature between powerful organizations and money.
AIA was founded in 1879 and chartered by Congress in 1906. It publishes the American Journal of Archaeology as well as Archaeology magazine, which, in full disclosure, once reviewed my website positively. (I put a quote from them on my home page.) I interviewed for a job with Archaeology seventeen years ago, but I didn’t take it because they didn’t pay enough at the time for me to afford to live in New York City, where it is headquartered.
 
For the most part, Josh Gates is a fine TV host who does a generally good job making archaeology interesting for a popular audience. But he overstates his credentials—he trumpets a “degree in archaeology,” but it’s a bachelor’s, same as mine—and he has a penchant for flirting with conspiracy theories, at least for entertainment value. After all, he did start his cable TV career hosting Destination Truth, a show in which he hunted cryptids and monsters while claiming to believe they were real. (In a radio interview, he admitted to knowing he’d never find anything.) He’s happy to give screen time to destructive fringe figures like Brien Foerster, and in 2017 he did a four-part special in which he deceptively investigated ancient astronauts and UFOs, at one point hiding the fact that one of his sources claims to be in psychic connection with beings on Jupiter’s moon Ganymede in order to give spurious credibility to the claim that Easter Island’s moai were (falsely) said to descend from the sky.
 
Anyway, when he was on the Travel Channel, Gates endorsed a range of pseudoscientific beliefs, including the false claim that a partially re-carved hieroglyph at Abydos is a helicopter, that Lord Pacal’s coffin lid at Palenque could be a rocket-ship, and that he remains open to the ancient astronaut theory because of “weird” evidence that he believes could indicate space alien contact with ancient humans. He is also a closet pyramidiot, having told conspiracy radio host Jimmy Church that the Great Pyramid’s construction was so amazing that it must have emerged from technology the Egyptians did not develop themselves and that it is “really valid” to ask if Atlantis were responsible.
 
Gates, a self-confessed sci-fi geek, later walked back his on-screen endorsement of ancient astronauts, but he never fully repudiated it. In 2017, he said he remained open to attributing ancient wonders to space aliens, calling the ancient astronaut hypothesis “awesome”: “So that’s where I come down on the ancient alien stuff,” he said in a radio interview. “There’s awesome, compelling theories out there. I just don’t think any of them are airtight yet, and that’s kind of where I land on it.” Since his show moved from the Travel Channel to sister station the Discovery Channel, Gates has been much more restrained and has refashioned himself as a more sober and mainstream alternative to the other cable kooks and oddballs.

Gates is a general (i.e. non-academic) trustee of the AIA, elected in 2018, the year after he announced his belief in the ancient astronaut theory (!), and the organization falsely described him as an archaeologist in press materials sent out ahead of the event. Past general trustees have included celebrities such as Harrison Ford, who portrayed fictional archaeologist Indiana Jones, but most are just rich people, for obvious reasons.

So that’s who spoke as a representative of archaeology to the public at ArchaeoCon 2020 to tell the audience that we all “love a mystery.” It’s not ideal, but he’s a TV host of a high-rated archaeology-adjacent show—and one who is currently on a lecture tour promoting mystery and adventure—so adding a bit of celebrity to the proceedings probably seemed like a good idea.

Gates headlined another AIA event in May alongside Sarah Parcak to discuss his enthusiasm for archaeology, and he established the AIA Instagram account.
 
But what bothers me is the open collusion between the AIA and the corporate interests that actively undermine the supposed public education mission of the AIA.
 
Guess who sponsored ArchaeoCon 2020, according to the AIA website. Oh, come on. I bet you can guess. It was Gates’s bosses at Discovery Communications, the parent company of the Discovery Channel. Why is that bad? Because Discovery is also the owner of channels that actively undermine archaeology, history, and science. And the AIA happily took their cash and lent their imprimatur to them. Discovery also paid for the May event where Gates posed as an advocate for archaeology.
 
Discovery Communications owns the Travel Channel, which aired America Unearthed and Legends of the Lost, as well as the Science Channel, which aired America’s Lost Vikings and Unexplored + Unexplained. It also operates Destination America, which airs predominantly paranormal programming aimed at a downscale rural audience, and it recently retooled the Travel Channel to target a second all-paranormal station toward upscale urban audiences. Several years ago, the head of Discovery claimed that the company would focus only on real science after its fake documentaries about mermaids and prehistoric sharks received criticism, but that deceptive propaganda statement applied only to the main Discovery Channel, not to the company’s broad portfolio of anti-science networks and stations.
 
Together, Discovery’s collection of channels airs more anti-scientific and fake history programs than the History Channel. When the American History Association took cash from the History Channel in 2015 to fund its annual meeting, I criticized them for actively collaborating with a network dedicated to undermining everything that historical research is supposed to stand for. The head of the organization, flush with History’s cash, declared the network that airs Ancient Aliens and Curse of Oak Island a “good thing” for the public understanding of history. Surveys documenting a rising belief in ancient astronauts and Atlantis proved it was not.
 
Discovery Communications’ programs are just as bad. Legends of the Lost claimed Native Americans were a nonhuman hybrid species, that Atlantis built Stonehenge, and that stones can vibrate healing energy into your bones. America Unearthed posits a world where Jesus’ literal descendants are on the run from evil Catholics and, via the Templars and Freemasons, hybridized Native Americans (a theme!) and founded America as a pagan paradise of goddess worship. Oh, and it also alleged that native Mexicans were in contact with space aliens. American’s Lost Vikings “investigated” white nationalist claims that the Norse colonized most of North America and interbred with the Natives (trifecta!) and therefore extended the European origins of modern America farther in time and space than conventional history suspects. Unexplored + Unexplained was incompetent, deceptive, and scientifically illiterate on a scale I have never before seen on a major cable network. It was vile anti-intellectual garbage that actively damaged public understanding of archaeology, or would have, had more than its 300,000 viewers watched.

The AIA has taken Discovery’s money, and according to the AIA website, the organization has never issued a statement condemning the misrepresentations of archaeology appearing on these networks, nor has it tried to educate the public about the false narratives appearing on these shows. (A local AIA group in Massachusetts put on a lecture about fake cable TV archaeology in 2018, and another affiliated local society brainstormed responses to potentially destructive metal-detecting cable shows in 2012.) The AIA has, however, issued other statements on subjects of controversy, including most recently a condemnation of plans by Pres. Trump to target Iranian cultural sites.
 
It’s time for professional organizations to stop treating cable broadcasters like they are their friends. They are not, no matter how much money they have or you need. They are in it for the money. Letting them whitewash their pseudoscientific pandering by sticking their names on academic and professional gatherings and credentialing their hosts with your honorifics only serves to increase the amount of fake archaeology and bad history polluting the airwaves—the exact opposite of the supposed mission of these organizations. Take their money if you must, but do so after you have actually watched the drivel they broadcast. And if you take their money, tell them that you will speak out against their lies and they cannot buy your silence. It may cost you cash in the short term, but it will further your mission of public education in the long run.
76 Comments
Average Joe on the street
1/7/2020 09:03:40 am

The average Joe on the street is far more sceptical and common sense orientated than he is given credit for. No need to panic over the commercial-money-grabbing TV Stations that sponsor such shows because in the final analysis they only cater to an extremist element in society that has always been there and always will be there.

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Wes Copas
1/7/2020 09:21:26 am

Sadly, Joe, this is not really the case. I teach introductory archaeology and physical anthropology classes at the college level, and one of the discouraging aspects of my job is how many of my students come into the course (Archaeology) expecting to learn about Atlanteans and outer space friends... The degree to which this dreck has penetrated into the minds of the credulous public is distressing. Anything the academic community does that gives even the slightest glimmer of the semblance of credibility to their pseudo agenda is counterproductive to the objectives of educating the public about the science and methods of archaeology.

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Donna
1/7/2020 01:27:05 pm

Get off your high horse. You’ve got no monopoly on truth.

Karl Popper
1/7/2020 02:40:19 pm

But he does have an intelligently articulated perspective based on professional experience to offer. So there's that.

Crash55
1/7/2020 07:17:08 pm

I have to ask what type of college? I would expect that at a community college but if we are talking about a tier 1 engineering school I will be very sad for our future as a species.

My college closed their archaeology department after my first year so I never got to take any of those classes but I do read Current World Archaeology, Biblical Archaeology, and Archaeology.

Average Joe on the street
1/7/2020 09:54:25 pm

People need to consider the difference between objectivity and subjectivity.

It's a fact, there is no such thing as a definitive framework of "black and white" in existence in regard to whatever subject matter since academics themselves are mere individuals and as such hold their own independent views.

The closest thing to a definitive framework of "black and white" is the examination process within education. After successfully passing that process, individuals are free to privately believe in anything they want.

Kent
1/7/2020 10:45:49 pm

Donna, remind me if you would: what sort of nonsense are you usually trying to peddle when you post here?

Iskanander
1/8/2020 01:13:35 am

@CRASH55.

Would Archeology classes at any "tier 1 engineering school" offer any sort of discussion about actually using modern technology to optimize archeological expeditions? Like for instance pressurized water and sieves?

I know shit about archeology, short of what I have been able to surmise from this blog. I know that's sad, but it's a measure of how much I give a shit about archeology. And I don't feel like I've missed anything. Archeology fucking sucks, because on the one hand it has its head up it's ass, and on the other it is constrained by silly human political bullshit and imagined political boundaries.

Archeology deserves this shit. It deserves "Ancient Aliens". Because you can't cooperate and you suck.

So there ya' go.

Donna
1/8/2020 07:55:20 am

I usually peddle information that there is a whole other way of getting information, not just physical observation. I am talking of knowledge obtained in various altered states of consciousness.

Altered States of Consciousness
1/8/2020 12:50:02 pm

200% subjectivity where anything goes

Donna
1/8/2020 02:23:55 pm

Not so if consciousness is actually ultimate reality and material world is just a derivative of consciousness. Also altered states of consciousness can be studied using the scientific method. If people from different time periods and cultures are reporting the same phenomena in these states, then there could well be some reality to these phenomena.

Connie
1/8/2020 02:43:06 pm

Or it could just demonstrate that deranged crackpots like yourself show up in every time period and culture.

Kent
1/8/2020 03:21:25 pm

Modern technology like sieves? Oh Sweetie...

Algie
1/8/2020 03:54:12 pm

In fairness, archaeologists are known to use other modern engineering inventions, such as the wheel when they take the bus to and from work.

Paul
1/8/2020 04:22:27 pm

And have Templars in pre columbian America been seen in these altered states? If so, you may want to tip Wolter and his followers off....as if they aren't crazy enough the way it is. BTW, did you know that you elected Trump in one of your altered states?

Crash55
1/8/2020 05:31:45 pm

@ISKANANDER

I imagine modern techniques such as ground penetrating radar, laser mapping and LIDAR would be discussed.

LIDAR is being used a lot to find new sites - especially Maya sites. National Geographic has had several specials with Dr. Albert Lin using LIDAR to uncover thousands of new sites

The unitard
1/8/2020 06:12:32 pm

You’re right about that Crash — in fact, Baron Ambrosia and another scientist used a drone, sonar, and LiDAR to “discover” Maya artifacts in Florida, including the ruins of a stepped pyramid!

Crash55
1/8/2020 06:18:12 pm

@ THE UNITARD

They uncovered something but saying it was Maya is a stretch and then some. They were indigenous sites and artifacts but I seriously doubt they were Maya.

The mound they found on the island was a mound but no where near tall enough to be a steps pyramid.

After the show I visited the website for the Florida park where they visited and some other information on “Maya in Florida.” Their presence in Florida is minority view and from what I read the timeline doesn’t make sense.

Iskanander
1/8/2020 10:18:09 pm

@KENT:

"Modern technology like sieves? Oh Sweetie..."

I know. Sexy, right?

Iskanander
1/8/2020 10:41:35 pm

@CRASH55:

"...ground penetrating radar, laser mapping and LIDAR...".

I figger'd someone'd bring that sort of thing up. Didn't expect you, which causes me to imagine that you give about as much of a shit about Archeology as I do.

It's more feathering-with-a-brush, only this time it's an RF brush. Sure. It's neat to see it...

Here look! I have an idea. Imagine this:

Somehow the human race has become doomed. Our only hope is, for whatever reason you can imagine, that we have to dig in to our past for some key piece of data in order to survive, and we only have 1 year to do it.

Wouldn't you start looking for ways to connect these RF brushes (LIDAR, GPR) to some sort of excavation machine? Probably using water. Because: water.

Where's the positive technological disruption taking place in Archeology as it is in the rest of the real world that has to show its work and make a living?

???

Iskanander
1/11/2020 12:26:12 am

@DONNA:

"If people from different time periods and cultures are reporting the same phenomena in these states, then there could well be some reality to these phenomena."

It doesn't require any special ingredient. Is that what you are suggesting by "altered states" of consciousness?

The brain just does it by itself, just because they (brains) live on Earth.

Sorry if yours doesn't.

Keep up hope!

Crash55
1/11/2020 02:41:38 pm

@ ISKANANDER

You obviously have no clue about actual archaeology. These the idea is to get as much info as possible with the minimum amount if digging. Those new technologies make the eventual digging more productive and waste less tine digging where there is nothing.

Water is used but only to sort through dig up soil to find small pieces. Context matters and blasting a site with high pressure water erases the context.

It sounds like what you want is not new technology but a return to the old ways using heavy equipment and explosives. Then the only thing that mattered was recovering large pieces. Basically treasure hunting not archaeology

Crash55
1/11/2020 02:45:32 pm

@ DONNA

People relate similar responses across tine because human brains are largely the same. Our responses to altered states will be largely the same due to having the same wiring

Iskanander
1/12/2020 07:36:30 pm

@CRASH55

"You obviously have no clue about actual archaeology."

That's the whole idea. I don't need one. "Everything I needed to know about Archeology, I learned on J's blog". It was easy to quickly assess that you still suck, despite the technological riches that have been laid at you feet.

"These the idea is to get as much info as possible with the minimum amount if digging."

And I'm saying that idea is old and stale, and that Archeology is retarded, because the increasing novelty of technology remains ignored by Archeology, despite everyone else having to catch up.

You're stupid. I just don't know what else to say.

How has Archeology been allowed this weird "hall-pass"? I dunno.

"Lower than whale-shit"?

Yes, kiddies. It took about no-time-at-all to discover how low you are, Archeology.

There will come a point when you have no power of your own to correct your course. Someone will correct it for you.

Happy Brushing!

Crash55
1/12/2020 08:01:17 pm

@ISKANDER

You are on a moron. You admit you know nothing about a topic except what you found on a website and yet think you know enough to pass judgment on its methods.

Archaeology has embraced technology but there is no tech that can replace a humans doing the final detailed excavation. The tech helps with the planning, the recording, the analyzing and reconstructing if the site. It is also allowing archaeologists to skip excavating when they can get the needed information through remote scans.

If you think there is a tech that could replace the human excavator by all means but it forward. Robots are not sophisticated enough yet for that fine detail. Any sort of automated digger would be too destructive.

Iskanander
1/8/2020 01:32:22 am

Isn't everyone sick to fucking death of having our heritage revealed to us by the brushstroke?

Considering what could be accomplished by today's technology? Aren't photos of meticulously excavated effluvium not now some sort of "Archeology Porn"?

This shit has to end. Right?

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William Smith
1/12/2020 10:23:00 am

As a graduate engineer from Purdue University I feel this line of attack is as low as whale shit on the academic profession of archaeology. After spending 36 years in the auto industry, I then went to training in archaeology to teach young boy and Girl Scouts the basic skills of the trade. The first training in archaeology is the rules of digging. You must have a letter of intent as well as understanding the state and federal laws. You are not allowed to finger fuck any Native American or other bones without having clearance from proper authorities. I assure you most of the History Chanel have broken many laws. Archaeologist do not. They spend less than 5% of their time in the field and the rest in detail study. The so called new technology you say that places the archaeologist in a no need position was developed by the Archaeologist working with Engineers to better the research tools as well as the fucking tools to share it with you. The history Chanel and Oak Island example are using all the tools to make money and do not give a fuck about history. They use bulldozers, metal detectors, drones, dynamite, high pressure drilling, and a bunch of non qualified people to destroy this site. Just keep in mind in 100 years it will be your children digging in your shit to see what the fuck you were doing before you destroyed that Native American grave site.

Jim
1/12/2020 11:11:21 am

Why don't you just can it with this crap already.

Nobody needs this:

" You are not allowed to finger fuck any Native American or other bones without having clearance from proper authorities."

Wilson Kemp
1/12/2020 12:15:30 pm

Keep your obscenities off this educational and inteactive website. If you can't manage to express yourself in ordinary English, keep your "thoughts" to yourself.

crash55
1/12/2020 01:41:36 pm

@WILLIAM SMITH

Good reply to the less than astute regulars on this site.

One of the most recent breakthroughs in archaeology would be the advances in imaging that are allowing old damaged scrolls, like those from Herculaneum to be read. In this case especially the decisions of previous archaeologists to wait and let later generations deal with the scrolls is why we can read them now.

There are many new discoveries being made in labs based on materials that were dug up decades ago. Though I find that NAGRPA works against this by forcing ancient skeletons to be reburied without proper study. It is highly unlikely that 10k+ old skeletons are directly related to the people currently living in the areas where the skeletons are found.

As for the likes of the History Channel and others, I cringe every time I see them pull something out of the ground without properly recording details. I did notice though that most of the times this happens it is outside of the US. I wonder if the laws are looser in those countries. Also i wonder how many of these discoveries are staged.

William Smith
1/12/2020 02:36:24 pm

CRASH55 - First I will retract my four letter words in addressing your critics. I also cringe when the self appointed experts criticize the people that develope and use proven science to help understand history. When non qualified self appointed experts in the field of archaeology make claims without support they will become outcast to the academic world as well as the followers of true history. Scott Wolter has made many claims about the KRS and other sites which opened the eyes of the fake news TV channels.
I was glad to see your comment on the study of bones. A grad student in the medical field in New England in the 1990s made a report on 60 Native American skeleton's that were introduced to pneumonia dating to late 1300s. She indicated this occurred in Narragansent Bay, R.I. and also in western Wisconsin at the same time. The word dead on the KRS has been translated by David Johnson as death. This could change the 10 men dead and red with blood after we returned to camp - to - 10 native Americans gave their life in helping our party to this place by exposing themselves to pneumonia of which they had no immunity. Keep up your good work brother.

Jim
1/12/2020 04:14:49 pm

William Smith, (today):

" A grad student in the medical field in New England in the 1990s made a report on 60 Native American skeleton's that were introduced to pneumonia dating to late 1300s."

William Smith, (2013):

" Also keep in mind the over 60 native American skeleton's were studied for the presence of the pneumonia virus and it's first appearance was at Narragessit Bay and western Wisconsin that in late 1400's killed over 80% of the Indians in the area's."

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/review-of-america-unearthed-s01e12-americas-oldest-secret

So William, which is it, the late 1300s or the late 1400's ?

Dates are kind of important when trying to date something, don't you agree ?
Perhaps you should give us a link or proof of this data, else one might conclude you are just making crap up or playing loose with the facts, something you have been shown to do on occasion.

William Smith
1/12/2020 04:41:02 pm

Thanks for the correction, If I recall late 1300s Dr. Jeffrey Baker was also seeking information and gave the basic symptoms on pneumonia would be death after about 12 days of contact. The last few days before death would show an indication of redness in the face. The late 1300s is correct and DNA was used to confirm the ID of the bones tested. I have tried to find this report, however the only support is the devastation of the Native Americans in each area by about 80% of their local population. Since the late 1990s new laws have made it very difficult to study Native American gravesite's.

Jim
1/12/2020 05:18:47 pm

So, no links or evidence ?

Can you at least show that Europeans are responsible for pneumonia in the Americas and that the native populations didn't already suffer from pneumonia ?
America wasn't a disease free zone until the Europeans arrived, many diseases were already here.

This comment is just silly:

" The word dead on the KRS has been translated by David Johnson as death. This could change the 10 men dead and red with blood after we returned to camp - to - 10 native Americans gave their life in helping our party to this place by exposing themselves to pneumonia of which they had no immunity."

Seriously, death and dead both translate to Död in Swedish.

Död does not translate to dying from pneumonia.
You are making some bold assertions out of thin air.

crash55
1/12/2020 05:57:48 pm

My comments about bones were about really old bones not just pre-contact ones. Even then 1300 or 1400 is after the initial Norse contact so that is a path for certain diseases without needing to change history.

The bones I was talking about were ones like Kennewick Man. His bones may have yielded important data, especially had DNA samples been taken but he had to be reburied because the local tribes claimed him as ancestor based on tribal fairy tales.

Also the KRS is a hoax.

Kent
1/12/2020 07:47:36 pm

Pneumonia is not caused solely by a virus and within that not solely by a single virus. The concept of being immune to pneumonia should not be taught to "young boy and Girl Scouts". William Smith has a track record of nonsense and may safely be disregarded.

@CRASH55: You said regarding Kennewick Man "His bones may have yielded important data, especially had DNA samples been taken"

Read a newspaper once in a while, won't you?

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/science/new-dna-results-show-kennewick-man-was-native-american.html

That said, I hope the Mrs. Grundys here will also hitch up their petticoats next time Mr. Grondine starts with his patented "Look, asshole" nonsense.

Iskanander
1/12/2020 07:50:53 pm

"I assure you most of the History Chanel have broken many laws. I assure you most of the History Chanel have broken many laws."

Yep. As I said: Archeology deserves this shit. Straight up; ya'll own that.

😊

Crash55
1/12/2020 08:12:05 pm

@ KENT

Sorry I forgot about an article from 5 years ago. If you read the article you will see he is related to Native Americans (as expected unless you subscribe to fringe ideas). However it couldn’t be said that he was an ancestor to the local tribes. Just that he was more closely related to them than Europeans. That can be said of any people that were here before Columbus.

At least one theory has people coming into the Americas from Siberia then heading to South America and then back up to North America. This then followed by a second later wave.

Here is one article on the ancestry: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/05/science/native-americans-genetics-siberia.html

The January issue of Smithsonian magazine has tracking the first Americans as its title article. However it is not yet available on their website.

Kent
1/12/2020 09:05:45 pm

@CRASH55: I'm sorry I caught you out by citing THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE DNA OF KENNEWICK MAN, which YOU said had not been obtained. I must be a really horrible person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

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Crash55
1/12/2020 09:13:53 pm

@KENT

I admitted I had forgotten about the article. I then went and read the article and made statements based on it. That is what a normal human being does. He admits his error and corrects for it. It also the way science works. It takes in new information and then adjusts it findings.

Rather than simply accept my update you however decided to take the standard fringe / internet troll response and resort to name calling / ASCII art. There is no question that you are truly a horrible person and obviously lacking more than a few brain cells.

Kent
1/12/2020 09:56:56 pm

On my planet a normal human being checks his facts first, before starting to type. I saw what you had typed without fact checking yourself and immediately spotted it as wrong. I'm so very sorry that you are butthurt about the ASCII art. What a horrible person I am!

"The bones I was talking about were ones like Kennewick Man. His bones may have yielded important data, especially had DNA samples been taken[.]"

You spouted some stuff that was the opposite of right and I called you on it. Then you go on and on about it. What a horrible person you are!
You get another one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

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Butthurt is no way to go through life son, but the world needs ditch diggers too.

Bobby Bear
1/12/2020 10:43:28 pm

Kent said, and I quote,

"On my planet a normal human being checks his facts first, before starting to type. I saw what you had typed without fact checking yourself and immediately spotted it as wrong."

" I'm sorry I caught you out by citing THE ONLY THING THAT'S EVER BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT THE DNA OF KENNEWICK MAN,"

I am afraid Kent has got it all wrong, one has only to search "Kennewick Man DNA" to come up with hundreds of thousands of results. There were in fact many, many things written about Kennewick Man's DNA.
Maybe Kent should take his own advice and fact check his own work.
"On my planet a normal human being checks his facts first, before starting to type. I saw what you had typed without fact checking yourself and immediately spotted it as wrong."

Kent
1/12/2020 11:16:10 pm

Bobby, Bobby Boo, Baby Booboo, Baberinoo, you profoundly retarded waste of jism, oxygen, and water: it was sarcasm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butthurt

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Bobby Bear
1/12/2020 11:51:10 pm

" it was sarcasm"

No shit, Sherlock.

Kent
1/13/2020 12:30:49 am

Bobby, Bobby Boo, Baby Booboo, Baberinoo, you profoundly retarded waste of jism, oxygen, and water: it was sarcasm.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butthurt_Infinite_Regress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_of_Jism

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William Smith
1/13/2020 08:55:34 am

CRASH55 - I see you feel the KRS is a hoax. Can you explain your logic as an archaeologist? I also felt it was a hoax when Scott Wolter made his claim it was carved and placed under ground to be located by connecting the triangle holes to find its location. I had also listened to all the nonbelievers and their claim it was fake.
When we made a 3D image of the KRS by placing the stone on an indexing table we also found some information that needs to be addressed. 1- The bottom of the KRS has tool marks that indicate the concave surface was to aid it as an above ground. We measured a .022in. wear line just below the runic letters that Dick Nielson and others called a ground line. 3- We found 3 wear patterns in the surface calcite area at the left face of the stone, each pattern was above, below and on the wear line. We found the stone was located on the zero pole line that dated 1472. we found that the number 3 on the stone had a small scratch mark where the carver may have intended to mark it as a 4. we found a cluster of triangle stone holes 65 miles west of the KRS site which would correspond to the zero pole line in 1362 as dated on the stone. We also found the process for claiming new land in the Portuguese and Spain treaty of 1494 was to place a tower on the east coast and a marker 370 leagues west on a pole line from the tower. We also found the story of the expedition to the KRS carved on the side's of the loadstone from the compass which located it. This stone is called The New Hampshire Mystery Stone. Scott Wolter is not all wrong, however he has failed to respond to my three request for his statement that no ground line exist. He stated he measured it and it does not exist, I ask how he measured it and no response three times.

Kent
1/13/2020 09:44:52 am

William Smith has a track record of nonsense and may safely be disregarded.

Well, I keep seeing this stuff and it just comes a-rolling in
And you know it blows right through me like a ball and chain

You are the guy who?

1. thinks taking multiple photos of something is taking 3D photos
2. uses a credit card and a toothpick as measuring tools
3. thinks he knows where magnetic north was in 1362

William Smith has a track record of nonsense and may safely be disregarded.

crash55
1/13/2020 10:02:14 am

@KENT

I admitted I forgot about the DNA. Intelligent people admit mistakes and learn from them. They don't resort to bases responses when called out.

I didn't check sources because frankly I was tired and was going off memory. I admit I was wrong. Plus this is a blog and not an academic forum, not exactly a place known for verifiable sources. Additionally I referred to Kennewick Man as one example not the sole one. There are techniques that can be done to gather information from bones that weren't done on Kennewick Man and now can't be done since he has been reburied.

@William Smith

I am not an archaeologist. Just an amateur who reads a lot and has taken some online classes. My degree is a PhD in Mech Eng. My assertion on the KRS being a hoax is based on what I have read and seen on TV. Even the Wikipedia article on it has lots of information debunking it - weathering, linguistics, age of trees around it, etc. Mainly the reason though is that I have seen no proof to show that it is old. With a find such as this the burden is on the person saying it not a hoax.

As for the land claim arguments why would the Norse be abiding by what Spain and Portugal say? Would they even know about that? Especially since teh rules were established in 1494 and any historical evidence for a trip dates to well before that.

Finally the big nail in its coffin for me is that there is no other evidence found to attest to Europeans being anywhere near that area in that time frame. L'anse aux Meadows was long abandoned by the proposed time of the KRS. Where was the base they set out from? Greenland was failing and hadn't been heard from in many years

Kent
1/13/2020 11:13:04 am

@CRASH55: You didn't "forgot" about the DNA, you DENIED. It's like Peter saying he "forgot" about Christ three times. Are you focking stupid Focker? I have nipples Greg. Can you milk me? You fock up and I'm the bad guy because I mock you for it? That's not the way life works.

Your position is "This is a blog, therefore I can be wrong all day long and it's kewwllll.

"There are techniques that can be done to gather information from bones that weren't done on Kennewick Man"

NAME ONE.

(hint: "I don't know" is not evidence)

crash55
1/13/2020 11:20:22 am

@KENT

You are obviously mentally deficient. I said no DNA was taken as I had forgotten about the article. If one does not remember something having been done then one will say it was not done. How is this too hard for even your limited intellect to understand?

As for the analyses, strontium isotope testing is one that comes to mind. That has become very popular for determining where the individual grew up.

Also any new tests that are developed going forward can't be done since we no longer have access to the bones

Kent
1/13/2020 01:40:50 pm

@CRASH55: Jesus finger fucking Christ you really are stupid, aren't you? I didn't remember the article myself but I put on my big boy pants and LOOKED IT UP before leaving pecker tracks all over the keyboard.

"You are obviously mentally deficient. I said no DNA was taken as I had forgotten about the article. If one does not remember something having been done then one will say it was not done. How is this too hard for even your limited intellect to understand?"

I don't remember Hiroshima or Nagasaki. You really are stupid.

"As for the analyses, strontium isotope testing is one that comes to mind. That has become very popular for determining where the individual grew up."

And NO, strontium isotope testing doesn't tell you "where the individual grew up" you stupid fucking idiot.
https://bonesdontlie.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/strontium-isotopes-the-new-hot-archaeology-trend/

"Also any new tests that are developed going forward can't be done since we no longer have access to the bones."

You stupid fucking idiot. Bone samples have already been taken and retained.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kennewick+man+bone+samples&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS830&oq=kennewick+man+bone+samples&aqs=chrome..69i57.7632j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Jim
1/13/2020 03:18:25 pm

Kent:

"You stupid fucking idiot. Bone samples have already been taken and retained.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kennewick+man+bone+samples&rlz=1CAHKDC_enUS830&oq=kennewick+man+bone+samples&aqs=chrome..69i57.7632j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8"

Hahahaha,,, Kent thinks linking to a broad google search for "kennewick man bone samples" without picking any specific result, is somehow proof,,,,,,wow, great evidence Braino !

Maybe try again Kent. Try to prove what you said is not complete hogwash you just made up.
" Bone samples have already been taken and retained."
Why don't you tell us where these bone samples are retained.

https://www.nps.gov/archeology/kennewick/fpm_dna.htm

" All unused portions and any residues of bone samples have been returned to the Burke Museum where they are curated with the Kennewick remains.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennewick_Man

"The remains of Kennewick Man were cataloged and removed from the Burke Museum on 17 February 2017. The following day, more than 200 members of five Columbia Plateau tribes were present at a burial of the remains."

Kent
1/13/2020 03:45:52 pm

Look Asshole,

Posting a link to a Google search is like pointing at a library. I'm not an obsessed squirrelly pervert stalker so I didn't come up with the bones being returned. But I didn't DENY it and say I FORGOT it. And does anyone really believe ALL the bone samples were returned?

Jim
1/13/2020 04:07:14 pm

What a hypocrite you are.

Kent:

"On my planet a normal human being checks his facts first, before starting to type. I saw what you had typed without fact checking yourself and immediately spotted it as wrong."

Kent
1/13/2020 05:12:56 pm

What is your point Short Eyes?
"Bone samples have already been taken and retained."

I have it on good authority that John Kennedy has been killed. Doesn't mean he is being killed continuously.

AND, you squirrelly perverted stalker, YOU haven't presented any inventory of bone fragments retained and then returned or not returned.

So fucky the you. Your argument is basically "You haven't researched every thing in the universe, therefore..."

Crash55
1/13/2020 07:27:26 pm

@KENT

It appears my previous post didn’t take. Too bad it was worded nicely.

You have to be one of the stupidest people on the face of this planet. I am shocked you actually managed to use Google based on your most recent comments.

Your own link on strontium says that it can be used to show where someone lived. Testing teeth for strontium is used to show where a person grew up where they moved to later in life.
https://www.world-archaeology.com/world/europe/austria/strontium-in-bones/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12303-015-0024-3

Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension.

The Wikipedia page on Kennewick man says that the bones were catalogued and then turned over to the local tribe. EVERY article I could find on his return states the the same thing. The DNA tests were done before the return so it has no bearing on what was or wasn’t returned. Congress intervened to ensure the return. NAGPRA doesn’t allow for retaining any material unless the tribe allows it. The fines are quite substantial and the institution holding those remains could lose access to federal funding.

So basically unless some scientist wanted to destroy his career he wouldn’t have held back any remains.

So to summarize, I made an error because I was in a hurry, wanted to general statement about old bones and relied on memory when I cited an example. I admitted the error but you decided to treat it like I perjured myself in a criminal trial, as opposed to a honest mistake in a blog.

You then repeatedly made erroneous statements about strontium analysis - so erroneous that your own link refutes them. Then you claimed that bone samples were hidden away with your only evidence being a Google search showing results from BEFORE the reburial.

So as far as I can tell you can point out obvious errors of others from Wikipedia but have a hard time doing any actual research and your reading comprehension appears to be on a middle school level.

Why don’t you go back to screwing livestock and leave the debates to people with an IQ above that of a toad.

Jim
1/13/2020 07:37:13 pm

Kent gets owned again.

Kent
1/14/2020 12:46:50 am

Jim reaches lonely squirty orgasm again.

Mr. CRASH takes paragraphs to fight back at a sentence.

I'm okay with this, hardly "owned".

Kennebunkport Man
1/14/2020 09:52:09 pm

For someone who launches into deadly insults against others over the slightest error, kent is quite nonchalant when shown to be wrong on a substantive issue.

Andy link
11/12/2023 01:59:01 am

I read all your messages. The whole thing is that Josh gates is a Friggen joke and sucks ass. I forgot more than that pos knows!!!!

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Jon.
1/7/2020 09:08:56 am

How the mighty have fallen... Last time I went to an AIA conference the keynote speaker was L. Sprague de Camp who was introduced by Brian Fagan. At least de Camp knew his archaeology and the difference between that and SF.

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John
1/7/2020 01:03:54 pm

@Jon, read the piece again. This was an event associated with the conference but not strictly part of it. Also Gates wasn't the keynote speaker.

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Joe Scales
1/7/2020 10:53:15 am

"This is another one of those blog posts where I make enemies by pointing out that corporate cash is corrupting."

Fairly nonsensical statement as people are corrupt to begin with. Corporate cash is just cash, and can go to good purpose as well.

There is a bright side however. How many people reading this came to this site researching what they saw on television? Wanting to learn more, highly suspecting the incredible claims. Inquisitive folks will seek truth. The rest are on their own. You can't save them; and you're corrupt otherwise anyway.

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Hal
1/7/2020 02:03:27 pm

So now Jason claims to have been offered a job at Archaeology but he turned it down. Yeah, right. Prove it.

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Kent
1/7/2020 11:40:38 pm

Oh Sweetie...

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Hal
1/8/2020 04:01:59 pm

Jason claims to be a bestselling author but begs for money.
Jason brags about his big book deal but begs for money.
He mentions how a prestigious publisher offered him a job but he turns it down because it doesn’t pay enough yet he begs for money.
Then he complains about other authors and tv people making money.
Poor sweetie without any self insight. His crash will bring others down.

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Jim
1/7/2020 03:59:48 pm

Apparently Josh Gates is an executive producer on the show Ghost Nation.
I haven't seen it at all but seems to me he may be heading down the rabbit hole in pursuit of fame and money.
Perhaps he can hook up with Larry Daryl and Daryl. (Anything for a buck)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10813648/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

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Paul
1/7/2020 11:35:10 pm

Well, guess if I had to choose, I would rather spend money on an AIA conference that might be slightly tinged by Gates rather than spending $25 on a cryptic code numbered collector coin by Wolter, even if the coin comes with a genuine deformed x patch. Information flows both ways and I would tend to think Gates might bring more folks to actual archaeology than the number of folks that would leave archaeology to follow the pseudo ways. Sincerely doubt that the AIA will be overly influenced by the folks at the Discovery Channel suite.

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Doc Rock
1/8/2020 02:07:43 pm

Might be better served by spending your time and money on the SEAC or SFAA conferences. I would like to think that they would be immune to the attraction of someone like Gates or Wolter. Or maybe not.

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The Method
1/8/2020 02:25:57 pm

Probably using Josh Gates hoping to attract simpletons in attempt to say to them "Here's the real deal" if you want to be serious"

Iskanander
1/8/2020 11:58:13 pm

This blog is s' old-timely.

I warn you all to savor it.

Like something you thought you could depend on at Trader Joe's, that they would stock perpetually, and then it ended.

So will this also pass.

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Hans
1/10/2020 11:10:34 pm

I hear you Jason.
But there is another side to it: People want to believe in fake archeology, they want to believe in the paranormal, and they want to believe in exciting conspiracy theories. And at the root of that desire is the innate appeal of make-believe. For children make-believe games is the key to learning and understanding social interaction, and unsurprisingly, make-believe still appeals to adults.
For most of human history adults could not afford to indulge in make believe; but since the advent of social media and reality TV people can literally live in a make-believe reality. And of course the Discovery network and others reinforce those make-believe realities.
America has become gullible and ignorant; the people of America have lost their ability to think critically and analytically. And I think that development started - ironically - with skepticism. Yes people today are far more skeptical about authority than they used to be. You may say it's quite healthy to distrust authority, and maybe that's true to an extent, but the question then becomes: If you don't trust authority, who DO you trust? And it turns out that people tend to trust their own ignorant instincts. And when they find other people on social media who share their ideas, they feel empowered - and all of a sudden absurd theories become widely accepted truths.

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Snake Oil Man
1/11/2020 07:23:57 am

"America has become gullible and ignorant."

As if this is a new thing. People like Hearst became rich over a century ago by operating on the premise that Americans are gullible and ignorant. There wasn't some golden apex from which Americans have only recently fallen.

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Hanslune
1/12/2020 11:57:00 am

I have to ask: when exactly was this time frame where they weren't gullible and ignorant?

Caveman
1/12/2020 10:20:34 am

Not all corporate cash is corrupting. Bloomberg spent millions on the re-presentation of the Mithraeum in London and it is generally considered to be a fantastic piece of work.

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