Archaeologists made a fascinating discovery beneath the waters of Lake Huron. John O’Shea of the University of Michigan reported the discovery of large V-shaped stone walls that date back to a time before Lake Huron reached its modern levels—back during the last Ice Age. O’Shea believes that the structures were used as hunting blinds by the Paleoindians for hunting megafauna. O’Shea said that the stone walls are similar to hunting blinds found on Baffin Island but are much more complex and sophisticated. According to O’Shea, the structures were preserved only because they were underwater and they were likely commonly used across North America. The discovery gives the lie to the frequent fringe history claim that Native Americans never built anything out of stone, often used to justify claims that Northeastern stone chambers and various other stone walls or wall-like formations could not have been Native American constructions. (Though this is partially right: Many were colonial-era spring houses and cold cellars.)
Similar Native American stacked-stone hunting blinds of later date have been found across the Western United States, the Northeast, and in the Arctic. The discovery is the latest find in what has become an increasingly large body of evidence that the Paleoindians were much more sophisticated than earlier generations of archaeologists once assumed. Last year, archaeologists working at Winnemucca Lake in Nevada discovered petroglyphs dating back to 8000 to 12,000 BCE, some of the oldest ever discovered in the Americas. The petroglyphs are sophisticated, including geometric forms and shapes geochemist Larry Benson likened to the veins of a leaf. The shapes suggest abstractions and, if we can judge by cross-cultural comparisons, a well-developed shamanic culture. Alongside this is the now-famous carving of a North American mastodon on a piece of bone found by Florida collector James Kennedy in 2009 that archaeologists dated to a similar time period. In light of the other finds, there is still less reason to follow Dennis Stanford in assigning this piece of art to European Solutreans. Additionally, discoveries at the pre-Clovis site of Monte Verde indicate a rich culture that included wooden architecture and wide knowledge of the use of herbs and plants. In the past, it was common to depict Paleoindians as essentially itinerant hunters whose entire culture involved chasing mammoths with pointy sticks. The latest discovery shows that Ice Age hunting techniques were more sophisticated, on par with those of the Old World. I do wonder, however, how long it will be before fringe theorists see in these stone walls Old World cyclopean architecture, the remains of Bible giants’ temples, or the ruins of the temples and pyramids of Atlantis. After all, both Ignatius Donnelly and Gavin Menzies identified the Great Lakes as an outpost of Atlantis in conjunction with the area’s rich copper deposits, and Frank Joseph spun the alleged “pyramid” (a glacial deposit) beneath a lake near Aztalan in Wisconsin into “proof” that the upper Midwest was in fact the original site of Atlantis, taking the fanciful nineteenth century application of the name of the Aztec homeland, Aztlán, to the site as proof of a connection to Atlantis itself. As I reported a while back, the name ended up attached to a Wisconsin mound site due to some incorrect calculations by Baron von Humboldt, who took Aztec mythology literally and, through faulty math, calculated that they originated “north of the 42d parallel,” roughly in the area of the Great Lakes. Most archaeologists today place the original Aztec homeland in northern Mexico or, at the most distant, the southwestern United States. At any rate, the new discovery is extremely interesting and contributes to our picture of the earliest Americans.
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Jonathan
5/2/2014 07:11:53 am
Real archaeology that is exciting on its own! Who'da thunk it?
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Walt
5/2/2014 07:25:13 am
Speaking of Dennis Stanford, H2 recently re-aired their original documentary "Journey to 10000 BC" in which he discusses his Solutrean Theory. It's available to watch free online and his appearance starts just after the 38 minute mark. Nothing new, since it's from 2007 or 2008, but it's interesting that it aired 5 or 6 years before Scott Wolter was stunned to learn about the theory on AU. Stanford even seems to walk down the same hallway and use the same display table in both shows.
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Only Me
5/2/2014 07:35:18 am
Oh no! V-shaped stone walls! As anyone "in the know" will tell you, two V's form an X. Or maybe they represent pediments for underground temples dedicated to aliens. Or maybe they're the remnants of ancient architecture that inspired, and prove, Lovecraft's Old Ones were real.
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Mandalore
5/2/2014 08:13:16 am
That's stupid, Only Me.
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Only Me
5/2/2014 05:55:00 pm
Ha! That could only be if the V's were constructed using the megalithic yard.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 05:12:27 pm
Apparently some mother isn't monitoring her child's use of the internet ...
Only Me
5/3/2014 05:24:47 pm
Oooooo! Nice try, Phil. It only took you two hours to figure out you could reuse my quip against other commenters. I'm sure Mandalore and Elephant's Memory appreciate the effort. 5/3/2014 11:30:58 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiH_VK4HDNc
.
5/2/2014 07:47:50 am
!!!!!!!
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CHV
5/2/2014 08:16:50 am
It's plainly obvious that the Knights Templar constructed these walls underwater wearing 12th Century scuba gear that Jacques Cousteau later ripped off to make his own design in the 1950s.
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.
5/2/2014 08:21:08 am
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Elephant's Memory
5/2/2014 10:15:44 am
The Knights Templar travelled to America, the evidence lies in the Kensington Rune Stone
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 05:10:47 pm
Clearly … some mother isn't monitoring her chid's use of the internet ...
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 05:10:54 pm
Clearly … some mother isn't monitoring her child's use of the internet ...
true
5/3/2014 11:36:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Wai1QjP_o
.
5/2/2014 08:23:41 am
along our ice age eastern and western continental
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Shane Sullivan
5/2/2014 11:10:52 am
Neat.
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lurkster
5/2/2014 11:40:24 am
There can be no doubt that Aliens taught those pesky Paleoindians all their sophisticated tricks. After all, H2 AA hasn't done a rock wall episode yet. So surely the bigger hit show will get to fringe-ify this new find first!
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Flypaper
5/2/2014 11:56:31 am
Interesting that those Aliens breathe the same gases
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chinstrap
5/2/2014 11:59:49 am
Aliens don't breathe, they rely on light that goes into their eyes that acts - light supplies energy to their version of our blood
rex nemorensis
5/2/2014 12:01:27 pm
that explains their big eyes
Mr X
5/2/2014 12:04:38 pm
The Loch Ness Monster acts as informer to the aliens in return for food - usually cattle - because there's no food in his lake - and he gives the carcases back to the aliens who put the carcases back where they took them from
Gary
5/2/2014 02:04:18 pm
There is no monster in Loch Ness. She's actually quite nice.
Mandalore
5/2/2014 04:36:00 pm
When she's sober.
Only Me
5/2/2014 05:56:21 pm
If you had a creepy old man like Adrian Shine stalking you, you might have a bad attitude and mostly hide, too.
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5/2/2014 10:44:31 pm
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Byron DeLear
5/3/2014 01:54:30 am
At the base of the submerged wall on Lake Huron, they also found shards of genetic material that when pieced together had the qualities of an anthropomorphic egg albeit of a dwarfish size. Evidently, this proved several things. Firstly, the Menehune clearly migrated throughout North America, and that it would only take the relatively recent development of Crazy Glue to finish the job all the Menehune King's horses and all his men could not finish a long time ago. ;-)
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Gunn
5/3/2014 04:45:22 am
In the National Geographic article linked to, the essayist mentions a slow coastal migration, which I'm guessing we are to suppose to think means down the West Coast. Otherwise, where might the migrators have come from on the East Coast? Exactly. Our then-brown friends from Old France/Spain. So only their technology survives...until something else may be found suggesting otherwise. To me, it's foolish to think of Asians migrating down the West Coast, without allowing for the same possibility of migration down the icy East Coast, from Europe. For now, seeing the very same weapons/hunting technology on both side of the Pond speaks volumes. I'm just saying, it's kind of odd the way this bit of history is being portrayed by most academics.
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Only Me
5/3/2014 06:35:59 am
Archaeologists aren't necessarily being foolish, Gunn. They are trying to piece together prehistoric North America the best they can by following the available evidence.
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Walt
5/3/2014 10:30:12 am
If you watch the documentary I referenced above, Dr. Stanford states that the lower sea level at the time exposed many islands along the route. The on-screen graphics show quite a few islands, but that whole documentary is a bit sensational, starting with the narrator.
Shane Sullivan
5/3/2014 10:59:14 am
I watched part of that documentary the other day. I'm not by any means a naval historian, but I don't know what makes them think the Solutreans had sail boats as depicted in the re-enactments. Especially since the actual hypothesis doesn't mention sail-driven watercraft, but kayaks.
Only Me
5/3/2014 01:23:01 pm
Thanks for the info, Walt. I can't remember if I've seen the documentary or not. This is the first I've heard of the island route. Some have argued that migration occurred over the glacial sheets themselves, which would be a logistical nightmare.
Gunn
5/3/2014 02:03:53 pm
Only Me, so if both northern coasts were uninhabitable, and difficult to travel along, mainland America may have been settled from the south originally, generally speaking, not from the north.
Walt
5/3/2014 02:15:58 pm
Well, I wouldn't necessarily take the documentary's word for it about the island route, I just wanted to point out that Dr. Stanford has accounted for the very rough journey in his theory. Personally, I'll go with the consensus until DNA evidence says otherwise.
Only Me
5/3/2014 03:01:12 pm
Migration along the West Coast or from South America are equally possible, at this stage. Remember, Monte Verde and Pedra Furada are older than Clovis, but there are sites in the U.S. that rival or are older than they are (Topper, Meadowcroft Rockshelter, Paisley Caves, etc.). We have the sites, but as to which direction their founders were heading, nobody knows for certain. Solutreans *could* have made it here before Clovis, but the absence of definitive European DNA (specifically, Haplogroup X2A) among Paleoindian remains, thus far, puts that idea in the realm of "possible, but not proven".
Walt
5/3/2014 03:23:05 pm
The only evidence Stanford presented addressing the Solutreans as seafarers was a drawing on a cave wall of a deep-sea animal of some sort which couldn't be caught from the shore, and the fact that sea levels rose after they left their boats on our shore. We only have the remains of boats back to the time when the oceans stopped rising, 7000 to 9000 years ago.
Only Me
5/3/2014 03:50:55 pm
It's strange he would compare an ivory or bone blade to a Solutrean point, when the trademark tool of the Clovis was a stone point. The main difference between the points, is the bifacial fluting, a long groove carved into the bottom edge of a point to help attach it to the head of a spear.
Walt
5/3/2014 06:04:13 pm
I just went and watched again to make sure I wasn't misrepresenting the documentary, and I wasn't. Stanford shows the Siberian blade alongside the Clovis point, then compares the Clovis point to two others that are similar but not from Siberia. He never mentions the Siberian points that were later found by others after he found the blade in the '80s.
Only Me
5/3/2014 08:42:18 pm
Thanks for the link, Walt. You were right about the Siberian tool. I mistakenly put Solutrean instead of Clovis when I mentioned the comparison earlier.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 01:27:01 pm
Where do the [……]-"Nazis" fit into this bit … ??? (They MUST be involved somehow*somewhere …)
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Only Me
5/3/2014 01:35:27 pm
Oh sure, Phil, everybody knows about them. We just didn't tell you.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 02:51:47 pm
Has anybody noticed that the letters "Anasazi" can EASILY be rearranged to form, "Nazis" … ???
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Only Me
5/3/2014 03:05:48 pm
Clearly some mother isn't monitoring her child's use of the internet.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/3/2014 05:25:32 pm
Yes …
Only Me
5/3/2014 06:23:17 pm
Swing and a miss!
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5/3/2014 11:10:42 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdcFuIoAhI
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KIF
5/4/2014 05:24:50 am
There's always the Kensington Runestone to prove that Knights Templars travelled to America, the Gospel of the infallible Scott Wolter decrees it, as noted before
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:59:37 am
No …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 03:26:57 pm
Personalize, propagandize, perpetuate.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 03:48:40 pm
LOL …
Only Me
5/4/2014 04:22:26 pm
Yes, let the butthurt flow through you. I've identified your strategy, ineffectual as it is.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 04:50:53 pm
???
Only Me
5/4/2014 05:25:07 pm
Personalize -- turn any criticism into an attack on Scott Wolter the person, not his work or associations
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:32:55 pm
Patiently … not for the first time (and almost certainly, not for the last) …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 05:38:06 pm
Since he was never attacked unfairly as a person, only his association with Frank Joseph was examined, your point is moot. Deal with it.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/4/2014 05:44:06 pm
As I already reminded … Another visitor to these blogs, who is NO friend of Scott Wolter, has cautioned that the "guilt by association" move is in itself a well-known "Fascist"-"Stalinist" gambit …
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Only Me
5/4/2014 05:55:18 pm
And as I have said, in every way a sane and intelligent man could comprehend, there has been no guilt by association made.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 04:50:56 am
BINGO … 5/5/2014 05:04:53 am
How about guilt in a court of law? Should I start sharing those documents? Or would you like to drop it and stop your incessant, repetitive posting?
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 05:31:50 am
Jason … !!!
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Matt Mc
5/5/2014 05:55:54 am
No one will associate you FRIEND with Nazis if you FRIEND did not work for and with a former leader of the American Nazi party. If you are so concerned about people arriving at a guilt by association assessment of that relationship perhaps you SHOULD talk to your FRIEND about his professional associates.
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5/5/2014 06:08:58 am
I'm not blackmailing you, Phil, obviously enough because the documents have nothing to do with you. Besides, it's rather hard to blackmail in public. What I'm trying to say, Phil, is that if you insist on besmirching my character with your attacks, I will need to demonstrate using public records and court documents that not just are your attacks vile but your propagandistic defense of Wolter is built on a foundation of sand.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 09:02:17 am
Jason …
Matt Mc
5/5/2014 09:30:10 am
People will stop making implications when he stops choosing to work with known American Nazi leaders.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 09:39:33 am
… AND … as long as "people make implications," I will rise up to DEFEND my friend and colleague ...
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DAN D
5/5/2014 12:44:00 pm
Curious, if the implications bother you they must bother SW. Does he really need you to come here and defend him and I'm not sure what the hell are you defending him from.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 01:36:18 pm
I agree … that the relentless Wolter-bashing IS "tiresome" ...
Only Me
5/5/2014 05:35:50 pm
Not half as tiresome as the continuous deception of his number one fan.
EP
5/9/2014 11:01:47 am
This just in: Rev. Phil Gotsch (if that is his real name) fraternizes with and defends Neo-Nazi associates and propagators of their racially problematic views. The internet community is outraged.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 11:20:02 am
pathetic
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/5/2014 05:41:17 pm
"Oh. It's only you, Maynard …"
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Only Me
5/5/2014 06:18:51 pm
That's right, Gilligan. See if the Professor has found a way to get you back to reality yet.
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Lynn Brant
5/9/2014 09:20:56 am
You know, it was the Templars who first invented the coconut phone. And as for these walls, they didn't have to be built before the last ice age ended. The Templars had scuba gear, and were master underwater builders. In fact, it is a closely guarded secret that the Navy Seals of today, are descended from them.
EP
5/9/2014 11:50:46 am
The sign of the Navy SEALs features a trident, which bears striking resemblance to the Templar cross (if we attach it to the end of a stick). Trident was also the weapon of Shiva. Shiva's name may have come from the same root as the Tamil word 'sivan', which means "fair skinned" (or "white"). 'Sivan' may in turn have come from the word meaning "crimson". The Templar cross is crimson on white background.
EP
5/9/2014 10:52:07 am
I, for one, hope Jason publishes the court documents he has alluded to in this thread. Or at the very least says what they are so we can look for them ourselves
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5/9/2014 01:20:32 pm
I will be publishing them soon. To cover myself I need to have certified copies to ensure that I can prove in court that the documents are legitimate and accurate. They have to pull the microfilm from the archive, so I'm still waiting for the court to send me a certified copy. I should have it next week.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 02:26:54 pm
Jason Colavito … !!!
EP
5/9/2014 02:35:08 pm
A clear case of confirmation bias if I've ever seen one. :)
Only Me
5/9/2014 03:11:24 pm
Sarcasm: ON
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 03:27:11 pm
Ummmm …
Only Me
5/9/2014 04:22:05 pm
Yes.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 04:37:32 pm
I have consistently in NUMEROUS postings said: by all means, DISCUSS and hash-over and critique the discoveries, conclusions, claims and findings of Scott Wolter in the "America Unearthed" H2 TV shows … Where is there a problem with that … ???
Only Me
5/9/2014 05:11:11 pm
You have also consistently, in numerous postings contradicted yourself. We HAVE discussed, rehashed and critiqued Scott's discoveries, conclusions, claims and findings only for your to make excuses, such as "It's just a TV show", or have you tell us to "lighten up." This is what I talked about before, something you WILL NOT admit. Every time we talk about what you want, you start making excuses or accuse us of personal attacks. No matter what, you just don't want us talking about Scott, contrary to your assurances.
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 05:31:30 pm
1,320 (!!!) posts about "Scott Wolter's Apparently Non-Exisent Degree," even though Scott Wolter himself cleared up that innocent misunderstanding fully a year and a half ago ...
Only Me
5/9/2014 07:04:53 pm
Ah, yes, I remember that headline. That's the one where Jason made 126 of those comments...but...YOU made 268 of those comments, often repeating the same stock responses you've employed everywhere else.
EP
5/9/2014 04:23:50 pm
Rev. Phil Grotsch, two questions:
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/9/2014 04:55:59 pm
LOL …
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EP
5/9/2014 05:08:42 pm
While the second question is admittedly a stab in the dark, you and Southern Partisan share a rather peculiar style... Also, I'd like to note that you haven't answered in the negative.
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Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/10/2014 03:43:38 am
Try this:
EP
5/10/2014 04:30:53 am
Have you ever visited the Burrows Cave?
Rev. Phil Gotsch
5/10/2014 04:36:55 am
"EP" (whoever you are) -- Your comment will be posted after it is approved.
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