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Army Explains Interest in To the Stars' Metal; Plus: Jacques Vallée Challenges Reality

11/5/2019

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It’s always been pretty obvious that To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science has been focused on revenue. Its incorporation papers made the company’s primary obligation to pay a minimum of $100,000 per year to founder Tom DeLonge, and its only consistent activity has been to raise money by selling functionally worthless stock to UFO enthusiasts. (DeLonge and his partners control the company through their ownership stakes.) Nevertheless, when DeLonge told Twitter last week that the company was not a “UFO research group,” it took many by surprise, particularly since DeLonge launched the company with insinuations of UFO disclosure and has made its only visible products, its book series and History Channel TV series, UFO-themed.
“None of us at TTSA consider ourselves ‘Ufologists’ or part of the ‘Ufology culture,’” controversial TTSA figure Luis Elizondo told MJ Banias in Vice. Elizondo claims to have headed the Pentagon’s UFO program, but the Pentagon denies this claim. Elizondo fronts a History Channel UFO-hunting TV series, which will launch a second season next year, and is a fixture in the ufology media circuit, or should I say circus? (Elizondo, however, may be correct. TTSA’s executives, like Hal Puthoff, don’t believe in nuts and bolts UFOs but have pursued the claim that flying saucers are actually space poltergeists who haunt the skies by phasing in from other dimensions.)
 
Perhaps this is why the U.S. Army is now trying to explain exactly why it partnered with a UFO-themed entertainment company to investigate exotic metals.
 
According to Banias, a Pentagon spokesman said that the Army contacted TTSA and asked to partner with them because they wanted to know if the so-called metamaterials (i.e., the slag previously identified by an earlier researcher as likely industrial waste) TTSA acquired from the 1990s-era collection known as “Art’s Parts” could be used for military purposes. “Art’s Parts” included slag and other seeming chunks of industrial waste sent to radio host Art Bell as alleged wreckage of the Roswell flying saucer.
In particular, the government is interested in the group’s ADAM Project, which Doug Halleaux, a spokesperson for the U.S. Army Combat Capabilities Development Command Ground Vehicle Systems Center described as “a global dragnet for the collection and evaluation of novel materials.” Last year, TTSA put out a call for individuals and organizations to submit materials from alleged exotic sources as part of the project.
 
“If materials represented in the TTSA ADAM project are scientifically evaluated and presented with supporting data as having military utility by the TTSA, it makes sense to look deeper here,” Halleaux said, adding that it’s also interested in a cooperative project between TTSA and a company called TruClear Global.
So, to reduce this down to less flowery terms: Somebody in the Pentagon saw TTSA’s Instagram stories or tweets and decided that there was a chance that they might have accidentally stumbled onto something interesting.  Therefore, (a) the Pentagon is staffed by the credulous, which we already knew from their longstanding patronage of TTSA’s Hal Puthoff and his hunt for psychic powers and (b) the military obviously doesn’t have actual UFO wreckage of their own if they are desperate to test out Art’s Parts. Also: Art’s Parts have been around since the 1990s, so the Pentagon might be interested in hearing about that alien autopsy video all the kids were talking about back then.
 
Incidentally, a couple of weeks ago TTSA’s PR flak promised me a copy of DeLonge’s new book with Peter Levenda. Apparently, after thinking it over, they decided they are afraid of me, since the book never materialized and the PR flak has gone silent. Typically, publishers deliver a promised book with 48 hours. It really says a lot about their confidence in the quality of their work.
 
But while we are on the subject of UFOs, it’s worth pointing to a disturbing promotional clip from the new UFO documentary Witness of Another World posted to YouTube the other day. The clip features Jacques Vallée, the venture capitalist who is a longtime colleague of Hal Puthoff, an advisor to Pentagon UFO contractor Robert Bigelow, and an investigator into metamaterial UFO wreckage working in an (as far as I know) informal partnership with TTSA. In the clip, Vallée claims that he isn’t sure if UFOs (which he calls “the phenomenon”) can alter our reality, but that we don’t know what reality is because—and this is what got me—drugs and altered states of consciousness can “alter” reality.
Embracing what seems like solipsism, Vallée suggests that we create our own reality and everything we perceive is merely “consciousness taking notice of our own experiences.”
 
I’m not really interested in the question of materialism vs. idealism that Vallée is circling around, but I am interested in the underlying issue that he has incidentally raised, which is that ufology isn’t really about UFOs (evidenced by their etherealization as “the phenomenon”) but is instead a full-scale retreat into magical thinking. Vallée’s fascination with the idea that our consciousness creates reality and the quasi-Gnostic concept that the material world is an evil illusion doesn’t really have anything to do with flying saucers. He says himself that these are questions that come from physics, not ufology. So why have they taken precedence? It’s almost as though ufology investigators like him want to be metaphysicians and philosophers and are trying to use flying saucers to enter into cosmology by a side door, without having to do the hard work of rigorously defending their speculations. They seem to hope that finding a single space poltergeist will undo the mathematical rigidity of physics and reenchant the world.
 
But seriously: Drugs change reality? Perceptions of reality, maybe. Reality itself? No.
93 Comments
Joe Scales
11/5/2019 10:21:59 am

"It’s almost as though ufology investigators like him want to be metaphysicians and philosophers and are trying to use flying saucers to enter into cosmology by a side door, without having to do the hard work of rigorously defending their speculations. "

Metaphysicians are philosophers. Just a bit redundant there.

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tom tildrum
11/5/2019 11:03:26 am

Petty. Do you write a blog? If so, tell us the path to it.

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Joe Scales
11/5/2019 11:35:13 am

www.jumpupmyass.com/withyoureyeswideopen

Mystic
11/5/2019 12:03:39 pm

Joe criticises UFOs but is a Christian fundamentalist
Ho-hum

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 01:19:45 pm

Jesus Christ, you're an imbecile. You have absolutely no idea of the depths of your misunderstanding.

Just leave, you dumbass. Just leave.

Hey Joe
11/5/2019 01:50:49 pm

The secular Founding Fathers of American Independence embraced freedom of belief in order to break the monopoly of belief held by Christians.

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 01:58:02 pm

Again, with the misunderstandings.
Dealing with a bot here, obviously...

Hey Joe
11/5/2019 02:03:01 pm

Dodging your previous rants

Dr. Phil
11/5/2019 01:06:05 pm

Metaphysics is a component of philosophy. However, there can be sufficient difference between how metaphysicians operate compared to other forms of philosophy that at times it is accurate to cover one's bases and refer to both metaphysicians and philosophers. Much like psychiatrists are medical doctors but one may wish to refer to these categories individually or collectively based on the situation.

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Joe Scales
11/5/2019 01:16:47 pm

Actually, Metaphysics came about because it was the name of the treatise following Physics in Aristotle's writings. Unless Jason wants to clarify any distinction he feels is relevant here, it remains redundant.

Dr. Phil
11/5/2019 01:31:35 pm

We are talking terminology and schools of thought in the present-tense not in the time of Aristotle. You are helping to make my point here. No doubt there are many things that in your mind are redundant or wrong but most intelligent and educated people feel otherwise. It is much too early in the day to be subjected to childish taunts such as "imbecile," your standard debate strategy. So, I will disengage from what will undoubtedly prove to be a fruitless debate and wish you good day.

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 01:39:14 pm

So Dr. Phil, is what you are saying is somehow Jason must have meant practitioners of some other branch of Philosphy in his redundancy? Like what... Logic? Logicians? Don't think you'll find many of them promulgating ancient alien theories.

Now I haven't called you an imbecile... yet... though your response was rather insulting in implying that I'm not, in your view, highly educated. So basically you're going ad hominem with some sort of stratification strategy, putting yourself up on some pedestal with only the implication that you're well versed in Philosophy (which I seriously doubt, by the way). Then you take your ball and leave.

You don't do this because of any lack of education on my part. You don't do this because of any higher education on your part. You do this because I am right.

Jason Colavito link
11/5/2019 01:42:26 pm

There are times, Joe, when rhetorical emphasis uses synonyms (or in this case a subset and the broader category) for effect. Brevity may be the soul of wit, but not every sentence has to be stripped to its essence for concision. Our obsession with concision is a product of the telegraph, which charged by the word and changed our view of rhetoric.

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Joe Scales
11/5/2019 01:53:26 pm

So, rhetorical redundancy then.
Got it.

Jr. Time Lord
11/5/2019 04:58:12 pm

"Our obsession with concision is a product of the telegraph, which charged by the word and changed our view of rhetoric."

You how to use a telegraph analogy for joe to get it....HA!!!

Hey joe! Was Annie Oakley hot?

Jr. Time Lord
11/5/2019 04:59:43 pm

You *have*

Wordsmith
11/5/2019 05:18:34 pm

Things have been clarified for Joe. Hopefully, he now understands the difference between redundancy and rhetorical redundancy intended by Mr. Colavito. Now we can move on. Or probably not...

Just a Thought
11/5/2019 06:00:51 pm

Joe frequently exhibits an inability to grasp either the obvious or nuanced as well as a certain degree of difficulty in operating in the realm of abstract thought. Reminds me of Ricky from The Trailer Park Boys. Maybe in the future post a regular article followed by a version of it worded in a manner where the intent is to anticipate all possible issues with comprehension that Joe may have with the original piece and break it down accordingly. Or maybe set up a side chatroom called Joe's Special Space where he can spend all day, dictionary and thesaurus in hand, and point out all the flaws in vocabulary and logic that the voices in his head tell him are the right way to have written the piece. People can visit the chatroom at their discretion to give Joe the attention that he so desperately craves. Kind of like at the small rural schools without the resources for a special ed program. They just stick the kids in a side room with some coloring books and people check in on them from time to time to look at the pictures of the doggies and ponies that they have drawn.

Jim
11/5/2019 07:19:25 pm


Joe Scales:

"So, rhetorical redundancy then.
Got it."

Joe, wouldn't the "Got it" be just a bit redundant there ?

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 08:36:15 pm

"Reminds me of Ricky from The Trailer Park Boys."

Huge fan. As Ricky might say, in regard to his plans tonight:

"I'm gonna get really fucking high, really fucking drunk... and then go to Colavito's blog and bash the imbeciles."

Well, that last bit was me. Now can you be a good sport and maybe have a laugh tonight?

Cyrus
11/5/2019 09:01:00 pm

Now Joseph (French Canadian pronunciation) be a good sport and admit that you were already really fucking high and really fucking drunk when you first got here today. Now fuck off I got work to do!

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 09:14:45 pm

How'd ya like that artwork on your hood Cyrus? I got your best side...

Jim Leahy
11/5/2019 09:34:22 pm

He who looks into the abyss realizes something. That there's nothing looking back at him. The only thing he see's is his own character, Ricky. You understand, Bud? The abyss. The shit abyss.

Joe Scales
11/6/2019 10:05:40 am

Jim Lahey is a fuckin' drunk and he always will be. Now make like a tree and fuck off...

CALEB SEARCHER
11/6/2019 11:31:00 pm

Joe Scales Kent is Americanegro. He talks just like him for fuck’s sake.

Kent
11/6/2019 08:19:16 am

Mr. Vallée (Febreeze to his intimates) seems to be taking a perfectly sensible and defensible Vijñānavadin position although he may not have thought it through. That said I'm more of a pataphysician than a metaphysician.

Mεταφυσικός, Γνώθι Σεαυτόν! Crap I know but I don't know Greek.

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Metaphysicians
11/5/2019 10:27:03 am

It’s almost as though theologians want to be metaphysicians and philosophers and are trying to use fables to enter into cosmology by a side door, without having to do the hard work of rigorously defending their speculations

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orang
11/5/2019 11:08:58 am

There is a story in ufology about a secret alien autopsy which revealed that the alien had no anus. Aliens must be metaphysical to endure that without being cranky.

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Also
11/5/2019 12:04:34 pm

Jesus Christ also did not have an anus

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Ketn
11/6/2019 12:35:44 pm

The anus was removed in a crop circle by the same government team that mutilates cows.

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Machala
11/5/2019 12:44:08 pm

Vallée and Puthoff have been living in a state of altered reality for decades.
It is only now, as they slip not-so-silently into senility, that it is becoming painfully apparent to even their most ardent admirers, that these two old frauds haven't a clue what they're taliking about.

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GOT THE PLO CHIPPING IN NOW
11/5/2019 12:53:04 pm

IMPOSSIBLE FOR RATIONALISTS TO BE ANTI-SEMITIC LIKE MACHALA

MACHALA NEEDS TO BELIEVE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO BUTTRESS THEIR ANTI-SEMITISM

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Yep
11/5/2019 12:55:01 pm

Yep, I remember Machala telling everyone to stop being sceptical about the Bible. Only anti-Semitic people can take the Bible seriously.

orang
11/5/2019 01:04:53 pm

The bible is often used as a good archaeological starting point for an investigation.

Machala
11/5/2019 01:27:18 pm

Only the emotionally immature feel the need to shout in caps. when commentating.
I am not sure where this poor demented troll gets his/her/its ideas from but for the record (again) I am far from an anti-Semite, nor am I a bible-thumper - let alone a practicioner of any religion - but remain happily a political and religious agnostic.

For The Record
11/5/2019 01:46:51 pm

Machala has previously stated on this Blog that they are a supporter of the PLO. Machala has previously stated on this Blog not to criticise the Bible.

Machala
11/5/2019 09:26:19 pm

"

"Machala has previously stated on this Blog that they are a supporter of the PLO. Machala has previously stated on this Blog not to criticise the Bible."

Nope, never happened and never will. In fact, I would never tell people Not to criticise what I consider a theological work of fiction.
Just because I am not exactly persona grata with certain factions of the Israeli body politic doen't mean that I am anti-Israeli. It simply means that I have expressed in articles elsewhere, my disdain for Benny & The Jests (sic), as I have for the Orange Emperor and his MAGA minions.

BTW: The scurrilous asshole whose postings pretended to represent me and distorted my commentary, had his posts removed but not before I discovered what a poor, pathetic lowlife he really is.

Terrible Rubbish from Machala
11/5/2019 10:43:31 pm

What a poor liar Machala is.
"I am a supporter of the PLO"
"Don't be sceptical about Christianity"
Machala has to be in denial of true self.

Indeed
11/5/2019 10:52:53 pm

Indeed, those Blog messages by Machala have been deleted, where that person made those statements.

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Kent
11/6/2019 08:47:02 am

The PLO is a fine organization. Yes there have been some rather spectacular rough spots, but no worse than sending a government murder squad to Norway to kill a waiter because he "looked PLOish." No worse than sending a letter bomb to President Truman. No worse than slaughtering the Canaanites and taking their land. No worse than murdering American naval and NSA personnel on the U.S.S. Liberty with the complicity of then President Johnson. No worse than sheltering dismemberment murderer and corpse burner Samuel Sheinbein. No worse than trading classified information acquired by Jonathan Pollard to the Russians.

On the bright side Sheinbein was killed in prison by some good guys with guns.

Context
11/6/2019 10:25:02 am

The PLO (Munaẓẓamat at-Taḥrīr al-Filasṭīniyyah) is an organization founded in 1964 with the purpose of the "liberation of Palestine" through armed struggle, with much of its violence aimed at Israeli civilians.

The PLO has employed violence in the years since 1993, particularly during the 2000–2005 Second Intifada. On 29 October 2018, the Palestinian Central Council suspended the recognition of Israel and halted security and economic coordination in all its forms with it.

Context this bitch
11/6/2019 12:00:14 pm

The Israelis claim that their ancestors, the Hebrews of the Bible, slaughtered tens of thousands of Canaanites when they invaded Palestine which is and was not their homeland on the orders of their imaginary God. So I'm fine with most things the PLO does, with minor exceptions such as the Klinghoffer matter and Arafat's massive embezzlement. The Israelis are invaders and squatters. Israel and Iran are the two religious states in the world. Saudi Arabia is a fake state run by crypto-Jewish homosexuals.

KENT IS ANTHONY WARREN
11/6/2019 03:29:52 pm

I never knew the Palestinians had equal right to conquer Canaan like the Jews.

Oops - mea culpa
11/6/2019 03:35:43 pm

The state of Palestine only dates from 1917.

The Jews finally got their country back in 1945.

Palestinians have belly ached about it since because they believe the Jews have taken over a territory belonging to them since 1945 - overlooking the fact that Judaea existed thousands of years before a single Palestinian was ever born.

It's a territorial dispute which Judaism correctly claims as its own soil through historical pedigree, Jews have existed on Planet Earth for a longer period of time than the Palestinians.

Kent
11/6/2019 04:09:28 pm

Everywhere on Earth has been around for about the same time, with some exceptions like Surtse.

The Jews' own story is that they slaughtered the inhabitants of Palestine when they invaded.

You history is just wrong and it's easy to see. The Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem or Palestine, an Ottoman district that encompassed Jerusalem, Gaza, Jaffa, Hebron, Bethlehem and Beersheba existed under that name from 1872.

So basically you win a big middle finger.

It's NOT their country.

Sorry but the Israelis are murderers, terrorists, invaders, attempted assassins of at least one U.S. President, shelterers of at least one dismemberment murderer, murderers of U.S. military personnel, do I need to go on? If so, I can.

KENT IS ANTHONY WARREN
11/6/2019 05:45:00 pm

Yeah - anti-Semitism is running rampant on this Blog

KENT IS ANTHONY WARREN
11/6/2019 06:28:57 pm

Another point - the story of the Israelites' conquest of Canaan is part of the story of Exodus. How many mainstream historians and mainstream Biblical Scholars take the story of the Exodus seriously. The historicity of Moses himself has been dismissed by scholars. The whole story could symbolise the power of "good" of the Israelites against the "evil" heathenism of other nations. Nothing more, nothing less,

Historical Problems with the Hebrew Bible: The Conquest of Canaan

https://ehrmanblog.org/historical-problems-with-the-hebrew-bible-the-conquest-of-canaan/


Simple
11/5/2019 01:44:16 pm

_But seriously: Drugs change reality? Perceptions of reality, maybe. Reality itself? No._

How do you know?

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Kent
11/6/2019 08:57:49 am

You raise a good point: how COULD you know? Do hermaphrodites dream of eclectic Sheiks? I'm going to mail myself a French Letter with the answers to all life's problems.

Meddle not in the affairs of metaphysicians for it makes them soggy and hard to light.

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Uriah the Hittite
11/5/2019 03:37:09 pm

Mister Colavito, just a question. Don't you think that Joe Scales getting on your blog and calling everyone who disagrees with him an imbecile has a negative effect on other posters to this blog?

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Joe Scales
11/5/2019 04:08:49 pm

Should Jason not wish for me to post here, all he simply has to do is request same via email. I'm his guest here. I post only as Joe Scales. And I only call imbeciles imbeciles; you imbecile.

But it would be absolutely fantastic to be able to disagree with the other guests here and have constructive discourse. I tried. For years, actually. Go back to old topics. Check it out. Once I reached the point of having to call someone an imbecile, I simply ignored them from that point on. This worked out initially, but then the politics invaded this place.

For simply questioning political bias, folks see me here as their political opposition. This is utterly mind-boggling to me. That folks can come to a skeptic's blog and not be politically skeptical of their own party. Well, that's actually not surprising. What is surprising is that a skeptic can even be a member of a political party. But then again, life is rife with letdown.

But yeah... to be able to simply debate with others the finer points here. Can't happen. Too many partisans who will never give anyone they perceive as political opposition their due. Individuals who are such poor sports they will advance arguments they know to be false. And their ankle-nipping. Though I still choose to ignore the guests here that return the courtesy, the ones that can't help themselves from peppering my posts with their imbecility (like you, by the way), I've simply changed my tact, and will call them out for what they are. Imbeciles. Just like you.

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correction to Joe Scales
11/5/2019 04:27:55 pm

But this is not a rational sceptic blog

Uriah the Hittite
11/5/2019 04:35:35 pm

You know damn good and well that Jason Colavito is completely gutless. The question asked was not directly at you, but at him. I await his response.

Percy Wetmore
11/5/2019 05:10:24 pm

Let me translate from the Scalese:

I am an asshole who thrives on nitpickiing and belittling anyone who disagrees with me. I'm not very bright and if someone continues to disagree with me my only real debate strategy is to quickly resort to ad hom. When called out on it I will give a longwinded self-righteous speech just like this one. Or I will just keep calling them an Imbecile until they give up and move on since I don't have a life and can play this game all day long while most other people can't. .

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 08:45:47 pm

Sorry Percy, you crazed cyber-stalking imbecile. If you have to imagine me in such straights, that says more for your lack of intellect. I'd be happy to engage in rational discourse, but not with people who use google for a brain, are too wrapped up in their politics and are otherwise poor sports.

Why don't you stick to one name here. Then see if you can build a rep. See if you can behave. See if you can be a good sport. See if you can truly argue in an intelligent manner. I know you can't. You know you can't. So here we are. With you fixated on each and every word I type here; just like a few other imbeciles.

You are the problem. You are the imbecile. You are the cyber-stalker.

You tell him
11/5/2019 08:55:55 pm

AmericanNe….uh, I mean Ke...uh...I mean Joe Scales. Set him straight!!!

Joe Scales
11/5/2019 09:03:58 pm

Dude, if you think I'm Kent, then it's a game well played. And one you lost.

Jim
11/5/2019 09:08:47 pm

Joe:

", you crazed cyber-stalking imbecile.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,, You are the imbecile. You are the cyber-stalker. "

That sounds kind of redundant does it not Joe ?

Joe Scales
11/6/2019 10:09:42 am

That would be "rhetorical redundancy".
Try to keep up Jim...

CALEB SEARCHER
11/6/2019 11:38:15 pm

Your Scalese is on the mark, Percy. The assholia runs strong in this one!

Again
11/5/2019 04:37:49 pm

That's why Joe has settled here, because it's not a rational sceptic blog

And Joe and Jason were previously together on another blog. That's how they know each other.

There was a sceptic on that other Blog called John Hall that got excluded from it because he was sceptical.

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Iskanander
11/5/2019 05:52:35 pm

"They seem to hope that finding a single space poltergeist will undo the mathematical rigidity of physics and reenchant the world."

Physics didn't "disenchant the world.

Per Max Weber, it was secularism:

"The fate of our times is characterized by rationalization and intellectualization and, above all, by the disenchantment of the world. Precisely the ultimate and most sublime values have retreated from public life either into the transcendental realm of mystic life or into the brotherliness of direct and personal human relations. It is not accidental that our greatest art is intimate and not monumental."
-Max Weber.

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An Anonymous Nerd
11/5/2019 08:14:21 pm

It's strange to see the very petty things the Fringe will try to use against Mr. Colavito.

Just four days ago it was the burning issue of whether or not the Ancient Romans had butchers in the modern sense of the term. This is an interesting question to be sure (sure makes one think about just how long a time-period we're talking about here), but one that was, at most, tangential interest for the topic of that particular article. Yet, that's what the Fringe focuses on. (Oh and I almost forgot the not-as-interesting question about what makes crackers taste buttery.)

Now it's whether or not it's "redundant" to say "Metaphysics and Philosophy" in light of the fact that Metaphysics is a branch of Philosophy.

And in this case it's not even an interesting question. But again the Fringe, losing on the larger questions of the accuracy of their explanations, focuses on issues like these.

Now, regarding "Metaphysics and Philosophy," consider this. If I were to say "pop music and heavy metal music," I would be being redundant in the most-literal sense of the term. Because heavy metal is considered a branch of "popular" or "pop" music. However, everyone would know what I meant by making a distinction.

Same here. To try and assert this perfectly understandable rhetorical flourish to be a "redundancy" is somewhat ridiculous.

-An Anonymous Nerd

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Joe Scales
11/5/2019 08:57:32 pm

"Now it's whether or not it's "redundant" to say "Metaphysics and Philosophy" in light of the fact that Metaphysics is a branch of Philosophy."

It wasn't "Metaphysics and Philosophy". It was "metaphysicians and philosophers", which is a redundancy. I suppose he could have said metaphysicians and other philosophers; though that wouldn't have made much sense either.

I already told you how the term metaphysics came about above if you were paying attention. But then again, if you think I'm affiliated with "the Fringe", paying attention wouldn't help in your regard. But I'll give you the lesson anyway, to spare google the added traffic. People who call themselves metaphysicians are just being pretentious philosophers.

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Come on, Joe
11/5/2019 10:58:44 pm

You are affiliated with the likes of Catherine Millard and David Barton, revisionist historians biased towards the so-called "Christian origins" of American Independence.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/5/2019 11:33:24 pm

[It wasn't "Metaphysics and Philosophy". It was "metaphysicians and philosophers",]

*chuckles* Sure. As I previously have noted: To try and assert this perfectly understandable rhetorical flourish to be a "redundancy" is somewhat ridiculous.

[if you think I'm affiliated with "the Fringe", ]

You have promoted wild conspiracy fantasies here, and now you're taking an oddly petty shot at Mr. Colavito, seemingly for purposes of obscuring his broader points. So, it's less my thinking you're affiliated with the Fringe and more your acting the part well.

[People who call themselves metaphysicians are just being pretentious philosophers. ]

You cite this as something I'd find on Google. Which essentially means that you think your opinions are Google results. That's not how this works, Mr. Scales.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Subjective marathon waffling
11/5/2019 11:36:18 pm

90% subjectivity on these Blog posts from various people than can be flushed straight down the toilet.

George Washington's Beliefs
11/5/2019 11:39:46 pm

George Washington's original correspondence admiring Freemasonry and supporting the existence of Judaism can all be accessed online. Believers in the Supreme Being and The Great Architect of the Universe were all rationalists and therefore could not be anti-Semitic if they deemed the Bible to be worthless mythology.

Joe Scales
11/6/2019 10:26:57 am

"You cite this as something I'd find on Google."

No. I said it to spare google from further misinterpretation on your part leading to more of your meandering musings on this board.

"As I previously have noted: To try and assert this perfectly understandable rhetorical flourish to be a "redundancy" is somewhat ridiculous."

No. What would be ridiculous would be to take your extrapolations on Jason's redundancy as meaning Fringe folks would be using tactics from these other branches of Philosophy to promote their ancient alien theories. Like what... Logic, as I've previously pointed out. No. That doesn't work for them.

If Jason submitted this blog post as part of a book, any editor would have corrected him as well. Whether you want to recognize this reality or not.

Generally I'm not going to comment on your usual fawning over our host, but when you call me out as being with "the Fringe"... well, that's just really, really stupid. Then again... you're really, really stupid. I'm a skeptic. And you're an imbecile. And yeah, I know... calling folks here imbeciles has become rather trite. But you can't help yourself from picking apart my comments... and stupidly so. So every now and again I like to remind you of how bereft of knowledge your postings actually reveal about yourself. And that you're really, really pretentious. And if I had to do that each and every time you post your ignorance here, counter your ignorance point by point, I actually would have to spend hours here rather than minutes. And for now, your time is up accordingly.

Now for the love of god, try to be a good sport... if you must continue to nip at my ankles.

Joe Scales
11/6/2019 10:39:29 am

" You have promoted wild conspiracy fantasies here"

Oh, and one more thing...

That is a lie. And you're a liar (rhetorical redundancy for effect).

Jim
11/6/2019 11:14:22 am

From this:

Joe:
"But it would be absolutely fantastic to be able to disagree with the other guests here and have constructive discourse."

" I'd be happy to engage in rational discourse, but not with people who use google for a brain, are too wrapped up in their politics and are otherwise poor sports."

To this:

Joe:
" Then again... you're really, really stupid. I'm a skeptic. And you're an imbecile. And yeah, I know... calling folks here imbeciles has become rather trite. But you can't help yourself from picking apart my comments... and stupidly so. So every now and again I like to remind you of how bereft of knowledge your postings actually reveal about yourself. And that you're really, really pretentious. And if I had to do that each and every time you post your ignorance here, counter your ignorance point by point, I actually would have to spend hours here rather than minutes. And for now, your time is up accordingly.
Now for the love of god, try to be a good sport... if you must continue to nip at my ankles."

Man Who Says Nee
11/6/2019 12:28:50 pm

Joe's ankles haven't been nipped at. It would be more accurate to describe people as severing his ankle tendons and leaving him flopping helplessly like the Knight in Search for the Holy Grail who has gotten his ass kicked but is still yelling for his opponent to come back and fight. Intellectually speaking, that is.

Joe Scales
11/6/2019 12:57:10 pm

Jim, you imbecile, you should pay attention to what you quote. I realized long ago that constructive discourse was useless with the Anonymous Pretension. When I tried long ago, all I got was willful misinterpretation of my words and baseless accusations... you know, kinda like what you do on a near constant basis. But hey, if you want to agree with this imbecile and believe that I'm a conspiracy theory spouting member of the Fringe... well, that's on you. But it is my hope that even your stilted intellect could find fault with that.

But back to the Anonymous Pretension's lie accusing me of spreading conspiracy theories. Let me show you an actual conspiracy theory... with the added irony that it was used to accuse me of same:

"... and now you're taking an oddly petty shot at Mr. Colavito, seemingly for purposes of obscuring his broader points. So, it's less my thinking you're affiliated with the Fringe and more your acting the part well."

And there you have it. Another imbecile confirmed as same. Till the next one fools...

Jim
11/6/2019 02:01:09 pm

Joe:

"Jim, you imbecile, you should pay attention to what you quote. ,,,,,,,,,But hey, if you want to agree with this imbecile and believe that I'm a conspiracy theory spouting member of the Fringe... well, that's on you."

Perhaps you yourself should pay attention to what I quote if you want to comment on it.

Your typical Joe Kent statement, trying to defend your constant lowbrow insults and Ad hominem attacks by distraction and putting words in my mouth.

Where exactly did even mention An Anonymous Nerd or even mention his post.
I didn't that's where ! You are just making crap up again to distract from your shortcomings.

An Anonymous Nerd
11/6/2019 07:14:31 pm

[[" You have promoted wild conspiracy fantasies here"

Oh, and one more thing...

That is a lie. And you're a liar (rhetorical redundancy for effect).
]]

Well let's see.

I'll start with the wild conspiracy fantasy.

In a reply to this post:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-same-russian-troll-accounts-tweeting-election-propaganda-were-also-tweeting-about-ufos-and-ancient-mysteries

you peddled a wild conspiracy theory regarding the Russian hacking of the DNC. You did the same here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/friends-of-david-wilcock-say-he-resigned-from-gaia-tv-over-bad-pay-poor-working-conditions-and-lucifer

except there I also debunked it.

Now let us talk about other Fringe characteristics. In this very thread ,as I've noted, you've found kinship with others on the Fringe in your petty attempts to criticize our host on very, very thin bases.

Now, let us continue.

In this post:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/survey-how-would-you-like-to-see-this-blog-handle-comments

and this post:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/on-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theories

you attempted to argue that Mr. Colavito's refusal to sign onto your love of your favorite reality TV star, President Donald Trump, had somehow made him sloppy. Your doing so in the latter post, wherein Mr. Colavito called President Trump to task for utilizing another wild conspiracy theory to his advantage, is particularly offensive.

You did something similar here.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/acting-attorney-generals-bigfoot-and-time-travel-claims-plus-kentuckys-governor-blames-zombie-tv-for-mass-shootings

To be honest, these days merely defending President Trump puts you on the side of the Fringe. In general defending a U.S. President, or reality TV star, of any political stripe would not put one on the side of the Fringe but let's face it: This particular President has turned himself into a Fringe figure, very successfully.

Here's another instance of you defending President Trump, a Fringe figure as I have noted, against a perceived assault by our host, by quoting one of the President's favorite phrases to use against a news outlet that dares challenge him.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-new-york-times-runs-major-feature-on-ancient-aliens-casts-ancient-astronaut-theorists-as-friendly-lovable-rogues-searching-for-god

Oh, and here's one of my favorites, wherein you assert that I would advocate murdering immigrants if I thought they were going to vote Republican (you also defend the President in this one):

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/the-spring-2018-edition-of-alien-con-finds-ancient-aliens-stars-musing-about-humility-opening-star-gates-and-disclosure

There's other examples too but really I don't have time for more.

Yes I used Google to help me find this material. Does this mean I use Google for brains as you stated here:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/peruvian-congressman-brings-ufologist-and-fringe-scientists-to-congress-to-promote-nazca-alien-mummies

and other places?

Well you'll think what you want -- reality clearly is of no particular concern to you. Which, of course, also is a Fringe characteristic.

-An Anonymous Nerd

Jim
11/6/2019 08:21:51 pm

Oh, Oh,,,,,I smell a stalker accusation in the making.
Lol, Our Joe is so sadly predictable.

CALEB SEARCHER
11/6/2019 11:52:21 pm

Intelligent discourse my ass. As soon as somebody offers up a viewpoint different from his he starts insulting them. Exactly what Americanegro used to do. Even their language is the same. Wow, what a coincidence! Please.

Standard tactic employed by someone who knows they are outclassed in the conversation and hence their nuclear levels of insecurity kick in, thereby triggering their constantly free floating hostility.

He’s so easy to figure out that a high school student studying Psych101 would peg him for what he is in about 30 seconds. The fact that he doesn’t have the self awareness to recognize that the reasons behind his behavior are obvious to everyone here speaks volumes about him.

Let’s face it guys, he’s not exactly deep.

Shane Sullivan
11/5/2019 11:57:17 pm

Incidentally, I once saw a System of a Down fan go absolutely apoplectic at the suggestion that the band constituted pop music.

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Kent
11/6/2019 09:46:21 am

If the Turks had been more thorough the question would not arise but toward the end of the Ottoman period they became sloppy and undependable.

Kent
11/6/2019 09:42:32 am

Butcher shops? I will not have my "Salt does not taste like butter" ignored!

"Settlements"
"Temples"
"Distributing meat"
"Killing animals is so traumatic it has to be done in a temple"
"Eskimos ate meat therefore Romans did something"

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Nanooky of the North
11/6/2019 12:51:43 pm

I know a cute Eskimo chick who told me that the Eskimos never ate meat. their diet has always consisted of Burger King veggie burgers distributed from giant igloo temples.

Kent
11/6/2019 04:16:11 pm

All well and good, but I'm moving to Montana soon. A lotta hungry freaks out there Daddy!

Iskanander
11/5/2019 08:52:33 pm

Trying to figure out what Old Man Vallée is trying to say by struggling with words like "Metaphysics", and "Philosophy", and especially the dreaded "Consciousness" is like being dropped in to a fist-fight with no arms or legs. He'll just drag you down.

It's way too late for that.

😊

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Momus
11/6/2019 08:08:57 am

The comments' sections on this blog have degenerated into pure drama since I've last checked them. That's sad. What a waste.

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Doc Rock
11/6/2019 02:21:04 pm

Love the Trailer Park Boys material. Kind of a highlight of this mess. Kudos.

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Christine Erikson link
11/10/2019 10:29:12 am

while some UFOs definitely act paranormal and there is this involved with the aliens somewhat and some may be demons and others flesh and blood but partnered with demons, I think this TTSA and others are using this angle on UFOs to push a new age agenda.

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Kent
11/10/2019 12:42:50 pm

How do I know you aren't partnered with demons?

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TONY S.
11/11/2019 12:53:35 pm

What the hell did I just read?!

Holy crap.

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Jr. Time Lord
11/12/2019 04:14:30 am

Space Ghost inseminated the demons with his ectoplasm. Thus creating a hybrid race called the Polestargeist. These beings signed a treaty with the coelacanth and left the Earth. This "New Age agenda" must be...Coelacanth lives matter. There's something fishy about it.🤣

Kent
11/12/2019 11:20:56 am

You seem fixated on Space Ghost. That tells us roughly when the abuse happened. Dr. Drew would call it your "little girl voice". Now show us on the doll where "Space Ghost" touched you.

Your St. Elsewhere snowglobe Five Times State Champion world is starting to make sense.

Jr. Time Lord
11/12/2019 10:00:39 pm

"from the very bottom of my heart, my ticker, if you will, I am grateful for the insight you have provided into the phenomenon that Joe Scales characterizes as "stalkers and ankle-biters". It's not a good look for you, but only you can live your life."

Sounds like you should take your own advice.

Kent
11/13/2019 12:04:39 am

So with your track record of reading 2 to 5 books a day for 42 years except for those days when you gave yourself a sick note, what have you read this week?

Kent
11/13/2019 03:31:00 am

I can only speculate what it must be like to be a victim of molestation and bury it under various strategies. Perhaps you'd like to share?


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