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Ashley Cowie Appropriates Minoan Archaeology for Atlantis

11/8/2019

23 Comments

 
Later tonight, Ancient Aliens will explore the profound question of whether aliens invented tattoos. In the meantime, we might as well pile on Ashley Cowie some more since he published yet another crappy article this week trying to spin mystery out of discovery in the belief that ancient history needs to be sexed up with fakery and myths to attract the attention of the public. Today’s subject is Atlantis, which Cowie understands at about the Wikipedia level of research, citing as sources Atlantipedia and an article in National Geographic. It makes me wonder why I bother researching primary sources when, apparently, one can get paid to surf the web and summarize the results like a high school book report.
The long and short of it is that some Minoan artifacts were recently discovered on the islet of Chryssi, off Crete, and Cowie decided to label them “Atlantean treasure” to make them seem sexier.
By now many of you will be tapping your fingers briskly, thinking to yourselves “so where are the artifacts from the lost continent of Atlantis?” […] [A]ccording to Atlantipedia, many archaeologists support The Minoan Hypothesis, including K.T. Frost, a professor of history at Queen's University in Belfast; archaeologist Spyridon Marinatos, and seismologist A.G. Galanopoulos. Essentially, this theory points towards the island of Crete in the Mediterranean Sea as the inspiration for Atlantis…
At the end of the article he states that Minoan treasures are “maybe” Atlantean, though he makes no effort to support the claim beyond recycling the Minoan hypothesis, which is the actual subject of his article. As with so many of his pieces, there is a brief news peg followed by a lengthy rewrite of information easily obtained from a Google search, and then a mealy-mouthed conclusion that uses weasel words to avoid actually saying anything of substance, letting rhetorical questions and “maybe” stand in place of argument and analysis.
 
In other words, it’s a waste of space designed for click bait.
 
But it’s interesting to see how Cowie’s slipshod language elides an enormous amount of information necessary to understand what he is saying. I wonder how much is purposeful obfuscation and how much is simple ignorance. He writes, for example, of K. T. Frost in the present tense as an archaeologist who currently “supports” the Minoan hypothesis. Not only is Frost long dead, but he actually invented the Minoan hypothesis in 1909, codifying it in an influential journal article from 1913. In it, he stated that “the Minoan Empire, the sack of Cnossus, and the exploits of the Mycenean sea-raiders furnish the underlying historical facts which can be recognised in the legend” of Atlantis. The Thera volcano claim, which Cowie is happy to (wrongly) merge into the Minoan hypothesis on the mistaken belief that the volcano ended Minoan civilization (though the Minoans went on for two centuries afterward) was not originally part of Frost’s argument. It was first proposed by Louis Figuier in 1872 after he witnessed the 1866 eruption of the same volcano and came to believe that the sinking of Atlantis could have happened the same way: “We believe that this event, which would have left such a deep impression, and which would have been transmitted from age to age, was a volcanic eruption that suddenly engulfed an island in the Greek archipelago beneath the waters” (my trans.).   
 
Now, granted, old claims are not necessarily wrong claims, but in this case, more than a century of searching for evidence to support them has turned up nothing.

I am amused to see Cowie play-acting like these claims are exciting recent developments, but his lack of historical understanding of the themes he discusses is misleading. His efforts to sex up real archaeology with recycled century-old speculation, however, are less amusing, and quite misleading.
23 Comments
Jim
11/8/2019 09:45:31 am

I am amazed that none of these fools have taken the myth of Icarus using wax wings to escape King Minos as some sort of alien flying technology.
Or maybe they have already ?

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Atlantis was in Ancient Israel
11/8/2019 12:38:35 pm

Ryan Pitterson, Judgment of the Nephilim (2018)

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Bezalel
11/8/2019 01:49:15 pm

To all who comment here please reply. Bezalel will be grateful

Each answer 1-5, where 5 is a resounding "yes" or "100%" etc when appropriate:

A. To what extent should our knowledge of history depend on purely scientific methods or hard evidence based research?
B. Same question but depend on myth/folklore/religion
C. How much public funding should support scientific methodology in terms of education/communication or exploration or improving knowledge/society culture. Express as a fraction of current defense/military funding.
D. Rather than be either 100% private (profit based) or 100% public, individual health care for citizens should have both options thoroughly available, agree?
E. Is the U. S. Constitution intended to protect the rights of only the majority, or every citizen?

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Bezalel
11/8/2019 01:53:07 pm

And no...
Military spending does not count as public funding of science or improving science education, etc. It could, but not in this case.

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Answer to Bezalel
11/8/2019 03:00:18 pm

You come across like an author of UFO books

Bezalel
11/8/2019 09:47:36 pm

Ufo book?
Ehhhhh no
On opposite day, yes

Jr. Time Lord
11/8/2019 02:50:42 pm

I won't argue for the astrology interpretation of the Atlantis story. I would like to thank T. Franke, and Carl Feagans for unintentionally helping me understand the geometrical interpretation. 345 is what made it all click. Thank you gentlemen!

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Larry storch
11/8/2019 03:59:46 pm

I think you might have misinterpreted what that clicking sound in your head meant.

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Jr. Time Lord
11/8/2019 04:37:53 pm

https://www.mathopenref.com/triangle345.html

geometrical interpretation
11/8/2019 04:49:28 pm

number crunching means whatever you want it to mean, sheer Rorschach

No one cares
11/8/2019 04:58:49 pm

And what is the significance of 345? Carl Feagans refers to an account of Atlantis being an elliptical island 345 by 230 miles. Leaving aside that the Greeks didn't use modern miles, no one could be that stupid, could you?

geometrical interpretation
11/8/2019 06:08:20 pm

Could have been miles made from megalithic yards as well

FORREST TUCKER
11/8/2019 10:07:27 pm

Stick it, Storch.

TONY S.
11/8/2019 07:41:13 pm

Atlantipedia... National Geographic... don’t forget that 1977 episode of In Search Of he probably caught. You can bet the one source he didn’t use was Plato; you know, the actual source of the story to begin with. I wonder if Cowie knows Plato tells his readers that the story he’s relating is fiction? What am I thinking! Of course he doesn’t.

Ancient Greek history is engrossing enough without this tool and his ilk trying to weave their fantasies into it.

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LYSIMACHUS OF THRACE
11/8/2019 10:04:03 pm

I quite agree.

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Agent 345
11/9/2019 07:17:31 am

Now you've set off the T. Franke alarm: "Historiographers should avoid being narrowminded and taking Plato at his word when he says it's just a story and employ historico-critical thinking."

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Counter-Agent345
11/9/2019 10:30:39 am

Where does Plato say this? Could you please give the exact passage number and wording? Which translation do you use?

Agent 345
11/9/2019 04:11:58 pm

He said it on the Internet. No one here works for you.

T. Franke link
11/9/2019 10:29:28 am

Very correct. This article is only sexing up things. There is no contribution of new arguments at all. Even the old arguments are not presented correctly. Who is this guy? I never heard of him ...... OMG, the Wikipedia article is very telling. Seriousness is not his business.

More reasonable attempts to include the Minoans and the Thera eruption into the Atlantis tradition had been made e.g. by Prof. Wilhelm Brandenstein 1951, Prof. Rhys Carpenter 1966, Prof. Desmond Lee 1971, or Prof. John V. Luce 1978.

https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis_brandenstein_engl.htm
https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-rhys-carpenter_engl.htm
https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-desmond-lee.htm
https://www.atlantis-scout.de/atlantis-john-v-luce-engl.htm

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Jr. Time Lord
11/15/2019 05:32:06 am

"Who is this guy?"

Cowie was waving the Templar banner long before SW came along. He was also somehow lucky enough to make a show with one of the most beautiful women on the planet.

"Voyage To Atlantis" by, James W. Mavor, Jr. was my introduction to the Thera Theory. This was actually one of the first books to spark the astronomy interpretation in my mind. You, T. Franke are the person who made me aware of the mathematical interpretation. Until recently, I never could see how people were pulling Pythagoras out of the Atlantis story. Reading an article by Carl Feagans, it suddenly began to click. I'm starting to get it, but don't consider it valid yet. I will not consider it valid until, it seamlessly marries with the astronomy. The math and the astronomy have to match up.

A lot of people are getting hung up on the mile. There are a lot of writers trying to convince everyone that the English system is "ancient". The English system only appears to be ancient because King Edward had the system reverted to ancient values in 1305.

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Kent
11/17/2019 05:03:55 pm

The English system doesn't "appear to be ancient". When you factor in that the Greeks didn't use English statute miles, "345" goes out the window. Stealing from someone who's no longer here, but...

Day Ward says what? Jesus Christ Son of God Savior you are a stark raving idiot Anthony.

Frank
11/27/2019 11:18:34 am

Franke, you stated this? "Seriousness is not his business."

I suppose your Atlantis work contains lots of seriousness in it?

Come on, Thornwald, be serious yourself with your own nonsense. No one on either side of the Atlantic takes you seriously when it comes to Plato's Atlantis.

The BS you cooked up on Atlantis being Sicily is as serious as Atlantis being a giant spaceship, as another "serious" "researcher" like yourself, Giorgio T, hints.

Jason mentioned this back in 2011: "AAS-RA head Giorgio Tsoukalos appeared on the program to promote his theory that Atlantis was in fact an extraterrestrial spacecraft using what he claimed were genuine Greek myths of bronze islands that fell from the sky—UFOs.

Let me be a "serious" "researcher" myself. I have read somewhere, and have been "convinced" by it, that Plato was a prophet. With his Atlantis story, Plato was prophesying the future rise, and fall, of the USA.

"Such was the vast power which the god settled in the lost island of Atlantis; and this he afterwards directed against our land for the following reasons, as tradition tells: For many generations, as long as the divine nature lasted in them,
they were obedient to the laws, and well-affectioned towards the god, whose seed they were; for they possessed true and in every way great spirits, uniting gentleness with wisdom in the various chances of life, and in their intercourse with one another. They despised everything but virtue, caring little for their present state of life, and thinking lightly of the possession of gold and other property, which seemed only a burden to them; neither were they intoxicated by luxury; nor did wealth deprive them of their self-control; but they were sober, and saw clearly that all these goods are increased by virtue and friendship with one another, whereas by too great regard and respect for them, they are lost and friendship with them. By such reflections and by the continuance in them of a divine nature, the qualities which we have described grew and increased among them; but when the divine portion began to fade away, and became diluted too
often and too much with the mortal admixture, and the human nature got the upper hand, they then, being unable to bear their fortune, behaved unseemly, and to him who had an eye to see grew visibly debased, for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts; but to those who had no eye to see the true
happiness, they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power. Zeus, the god of gods, who rules according to law, and is able to see into such things, perceiving that an honourable race was in a woeful plight, and wanting to inflict punishment on them, that they might be chastened and improve, collected all the gods into their most holy habitation, which, being placed in the centre of the world, beholds all created things. And when he had called them together, he spake as follows......"

"there is nothing more dangerous than an unethical president who believes he is above the law."
"WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!...Adjourned!

https://mobile.reuters.com/video/watch/schiff-quotes-cummings-we-are-better-tha-id629979043?chan=6g5ka85

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Don Kennedy link
1/18/2020 02:49:35 pm

I would like to add my 2 cents into the discussion, since I found Atlantis and would like to share its location. I discuss it in an addendum to my web site on research showing that indeed, California as an island maps are authentic. So go to the site at californiaasanisland.org and scroll to the end, to the section on Atlantis.

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