My computer's hard drive died, so I am working, slowly, from a backup machine while I shop for a new computer, since the other parts, like the keyboard, the monitor, and the touch pad, aren't working so well either. The last time this happened, last year, I received a one-year warranty on the hard drive, and it lasted ten whole days past the end of the warranty before crapping out. Anyway, on to today's issue... Regular readers will remember that last year a team of Australian researchers alleged that an Aboriginal Australian story accurately recalled the eruption of Budj Bim 37,000 years ago. Prior to that, Australian linguist Nicholas Reid claimed that Aboriginal oral history accurately recorded the state of the continent's coastlines ten thousand year ago. Now, another Australian has a new claim to beat them both. Australian astrophysicist Richard Norris claims that Aboriginal traditions prove that the Pleiades received their common name, "The Seven Sisters," fully 100,000 years ago. Live Science reports that he made the claim in an article accepted for publication but not yet published in a scholarly journal. According to Norris, the presence of similar traditions among Aboriginal Australians and elsewhere in the world suggests that the name originated before Aboriginal Australians traveled to Australia. This places the origin of the name 100,000 year ago, in his estimation. Norris bases his claim on the appearance of an Aboriginal story of Orion chasing the Pleiades across the sky, a story similar to one from Greek mythology. He claims that the story is too "embedded" in several Aboriginal Australian cultures (whatever that means) to have been the product of cultural diffusion from Europeans or white Australians. I would doubt that, since stories can and do change very quickly. Consider, for example, the "traditional" Native American stories about dinosaurs and woolly mammoths that were only recorded after paleontologists began unearthing the prehistoric creatures. Or, consider, the claims on Ancient Aliens that oral traditions record visits from spacemen, another set of supposedly traditional stories that did not exist before the 1960s. A hallmark of oral history is its adaptation, revising and rewriting material to meet modern needs. To prove a story is 100,000 years old needs more than faith. Norris also alleges that the Seven Sisters usually appear as six stars in the modern era due to the brightness of the star Atlas, which sometimes--though he concedes not always--masks nearby Pleione. He claims that 100,000 years ago they were farther apart and more obviously two stars. Live Science included a fairly convincing debunking of Norris's claims: While noting that it's a "fun and evocative idea," astronomer and archaeo-historian Bradley Schaefer of Louisiana State University in Baton Rouge, who was not involved in the work, did not think the explanation likely.
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Doc rock
2/3/2021 10:03:05 am
Are you sure it is in a journal? It looks more like it is an essay to be included in a festschrift and focusing in "cultural astronomy." The bar is often set lower for chapters in edited volumes and people have more leeway to play around with ideas. The draft I see looks like a short piece in that vein.
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vOD kANOCKERS
2/3/2021 10:42:29 am
So your Hewlett -Packard computer has once more betrayed you? Prithee get thee to a Best Buy.
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The Rooster
2/3/2021 09:40:13 pm
https://airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/computer-hp-65-programmable-calculator/nasm_A20120307000
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Kent
2/4/2021 12:53:08 pm
"And no: not being paid to write this"
The Rooster
2/4/2021 07:02:16 pm
Goddamnit!
The Rooster
2/3/2021 05:37:25 pm
Hehe,
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vOD kANOCKERS
2/3/2021 06:56:44 pm
Yeah, don't think so. The first HP calculator came out in 1968.
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The Rooster
2/4/2021 12:18:21 am
Man!
Vod Kanockers
2/4/2021 10:26:13 am
@Rooster:
The Rooster
2/4/2021 01:41:19 pm
Okay,
Crash55
2/3/2021 07:38:46 pm
The HP of today is not the same one as a decade ago never mind back in the space race days.
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Crash55
2/3/2021 06:50:20 pm
Following the link to the pre-publication server it looks like a special issue of a journal. Often those have a lower bar for publication.
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The Rooster
2/3/2021 09:48:35 pm
Well? That's some good advice^^
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Crash55
2/4/2021 07:33:40 am
As with any PC brand individual experience will vary.
Anthony G.
2/3/2021 09:35:46 pm
Proving anything regarding ancient astronomy is nearly impossible. Unless there is some underlying practical application, most interpretations appear to be conjecture, sheer speculation and flights of fantasy. There are only a handful of constellations which can be proven to have any form of antiquity. The Pleiades is not one of them. More often than not it is part of Taurus.
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vOD kANOCKERS
2/4/2021 10:45:49 am
That is some William Smith level nonsense.
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Anthony G.
2/4/2021 07:06:39 pm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11JNtSick3JODIKso9vOwrWoX6xml2LIY/view?usp=sharing
vOD kANOCKERS
2/5/2021 01:43:35 pm
Sorry for rightfully being so dismissive of you but you are as boastful as Anthony Warren (he was big on using his cellphone rather than the appropriate tool too) and Phippsburg = Patrick Shakleton. And you're talking astronomy bullshit like Anthony Warren.
Anthony G.
2/5/2021 07:00:11 pm
I am not talking "bullshit". The Narragansett RuneStone has been solved. Cygni Roseline. Scoff if you wish. The Phippsburg History Center, and Anthony have started a wave. Don't be the awkward guy that stands up after the wave has passed you by. I haven't even mentioned the relic church found by the Spanish.
Bezalel
2/3/2021 09:58:41 pm
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/ken-ham-complains-pbs-documentary-focuses-too-much-on-stupid-parts-of-ark-encounter-and-creationism#comments
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Examples like this appear now more frequently, as we can see. Somehow, the aboriginates inspire this. Errr no, not the aboriginates, but the view on the aboriginates. They are attributed (by whom?) with kind of supernatural capacities. And questioning the aboriginates is kind of a sacrilege (for whom?). Would it be possible to see these misinterpretations of the aboriginates' capacities as a backfiring of exaggerated minority politics, identity politics?
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Paul
2/4/2021 12:09:02 pm
Not much worth commenting on lately. Don't much care what a pattern in the sky is called 100000 years ago.
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vOD kANOCKERS
2/4/2021 02:30:25 pm
You don't see it as problematic that someone claims to know what something was called one lakh years ago, well before the aborigines moved to and settled Australia?
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Paul
2/4/2021 03:41:43 pm
To put it simply, no. A liar is still a liar and don't have time for chasing every fantasy that comes along.
The Rooster
2/4/2021 03:15:48 pm
K?
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