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Australian Government Facing Mounting Pressure to Ban Conspiracy Theorist David Icke Over Anti-Semitic Claims

2/2/2019

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​The Australian government is under increasing pressure to ban conspiracy theorist David Icke from the country following complaints from Jewish groups and the opposition Labor Party about Icke’s anti-Semitic views. The Anti-Defamation Council raised the alarm last week, but the issue rose to national prominence after the Labor Party sent a letter to the immigration minister, David Coleman, decrying Icke’s “extreme antisemitic views, including campaigning for Holocaust denial to be taught in schools” and asking for Icke’s visa to be revoked ahead of his planned five-city Everything You Need to Know tour next month.
​Icke denied that his tour would be anti-Semitic, promising that he wouldn’t “even mention” Jewish people or Zionism in his tour, in which he will allege that prominent world leaders are lizard people in a millennia-long conspiracy to control the course of global history. “How can this be anything but nonsense when I won’t even be mentioning Jewish people or Zionism in my talks in Australia?” he told News Corp. Australia last week.
 
In a posting to Twitter yesterday, Icke called the Australian Labor Party and, for some reason, the British Labour Party the “enemies of freedom” and claimed that Labor had told “staggering lies” in order “to silence the truth.” The attack on British Labour is probably due the fact that media reports credit Icke’s anti-Semitic views with uniting Labour’s factions in the common cause of opposing anti-Semitism.
 
In his books, Icke has made use of traditional anti-Semitic propaganda to attack his imagined lizard people and international bankers. This has included the use of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which he alleges to have been altered to use against Jews instead of lizard people. Despite the fig-leaf of imagining Jews being controlled by lizard people, Icke has falsely claimed that the Jews (or, rather, “Rothschild Zionists”) funded Hitler and the Holocaust to gain sympathy for the creation of Israel, that Jews were secretly responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that Jews created the 2008 financial crisis.
 
Australia reserves broad power to deny entry based on character, but it didn’t have a problem when Icke toured the country in 2016. However, Australia did block the founder of the alt-right hate group Proud Boys from entering the country.
 
As I discussed earlier this week in talking about the racist Ancient Aliens episodes that aired in the country to mark Australia Day, Australia is facing a rising tide of Neo-Nazi and alt-right extremism. A candidate from the Labor Party summed up the risks of letting Icke in to spread his brand of alt-right, anti-Semitic conspiracy nonsense: “Fighting racism and antisemitism should be something all political parties are united on. It is imperative that the government stop racist hate like Mr Icke visiting Australia and profiting off racism.”
 
Coleman declined to tell the media what, if anything, he planned to do about Icke but said that any action would be balanced against Australia’s commitment to freedom of speech.
 
This is one of those issues where I have difficulty deciding the right thing to do. Instinctively, I don’t like the idea of ideological litmus tests and find it disturbing that someone could be banned because of his ideas rather than his actions. On the other hand, Icke is disgusting and uses his lizard people claims and the trappings of the ancient astronaut theory to deliver ugly, hateful propaganda. In an ideal world, Icke would speak and no one would listen, but we don’t live in an ideal world. Tentatively, I’d have to come down on the side of free speech since Icke doesn’t outright advocate violence, but I can’t say that I would shed any tears if the Australian government chose to ban him from the country. 
34 Comments
Joe Scales
2/2/2019 09:59:52 am

"Tentatively, I’d have to come down on the side of free speech since Icke doesn’t outright advocate violence..."

Curious. If Icke were advocating violence against the alt-right, would you favor such a ban?

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V
2/2/2019 03:19:24 pm

Personally, I think it might well depend on how specific he was. If he was all, "You should Do Something About Them," and nothing more, that's kind of a different kettle of fish from "You should seek them out and punch them in the face." There's even a difference between that and "If one gets in your face, don't take it, punch them." Something that a lot of right wingers seem to fail to recognize, in my experience.

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Joe Scales
2/2/2019 08:26:21 pm

I was simply seeking to clarify if Jason's abhorrence for violence was quantifiable. I suppose he interpreted it in a more rhetorical sense, and thus left it be.

Butlins holiday
2/3/2019 01:13:43 pm

Is that a reference to “good people on either side” or whataboutism? Do tell, every one wants hear the opinion of the triggered status quo warrior.

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Joe Scales
2/4/2019 09:43:29 am

"Is that a reference to “good people on either side” or whataboutism?"

No. It's a point explained above that an imbecile such as yourself obviously can't comprehend.

James Barclay
5/12/2019 09:49:10 pm

I live in the USA where we have certain protections for unpopular views and we are quite fierce about these liberties which are written in our US Constitution. We don' ban people unless they are proven to be a direct and substantive threat to the defense of our nation. Even then we want to know what they have to say because it is better to know thine enemy than stifle him or her. Unfortunately, other countries don't have that wisdom or courage. They prefer 'knee jerk" reactions and supposedly hiding under the blanket. These countries are as dangerous and they are boring. So, it is best for me to stay far from them. I hope beautiful Australia and its people awaken. As for Mr. Icke, I don't he is a threat to anyone except maybe to himself with his "reptilian interdimensional" fantasies. Beleive me, we have much stranger beliefs here in the USA. Thanks for the read.

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Bertoldi
2/2/2019 10:14:53 am

Tell me who you cannot criticise and I tell you who rules over you.

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Antizionistfa Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 01:40:32 pm

Remember in the Old Testament when the Hebrews invaded Israel and slew the inhabitants?

Remember the letter bombs sent by the Stern Gang to Truman's White House?

Remember Operation Susannah?

Remember the U.S.S. Liberty?

Remember when Mossad went to Norway to kill a waiter?
https://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4434-former-mossad-chief-admits-lillehammer-murder-in-1973-norway-israel

Remember Sabra and Shatila?

Remember Jonathan Pollard?

Remember Samuel Sheinbein? On the bright side he's no longer an issue.

The Democratic Socialists of America are anti-Israel.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-dsa-went-from-supporting-israel-to-boycotting-the-jewish-ethnostate

https://www.jweekly.com/2018/01/26/oakland-womens-march-not-youre-pro-israel/

By being anti-Zionist Icke is implicitly anti-Dominionist, which means he's in opposition to Mike Pence and what according to Jason is a loose cabal in the upper strata of the military. Let's all wrap our heads around that, shall we?

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V
2/2/2019 03:22:02 pm

There is a difference between criticizing and slander, my friend. Anti-semitism isn't CRITICISM of Judaism. It's wholesale false accusation of evil. Emphasis on "false." If you can't understand that difference, the problem is you.

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Antiantisemitic Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 03:50:00 pm

And anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism. On my planet this is common knowledge. If you can't understand the difference, the problem is you.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ultra-orthodox-anti-zionist/

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-land-of-israel-in-modern-jewish-thought/

Doc Rock
2/2/2019 04:56:56 pm

Reminds me of that scene in Little Drummer Girl where the Palestinians guerillas tell Diane Keaton's that they aren't Anti-Semitic just Anti-Zionist and she gives them one of the best "don't piss on the top of my head and try to tell me it's raining" looks in the history of cinema. But of course, that's just a movie.

3,2,1......

Amorphous Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 05:17:21 pm

If you're not anti-Zionist, you're anti-Palestinian. Of course anti-Palestinian is the more powerful therefore safer side to be on.

Israel is the homeland of the Jews in the same sense that Mexico is the homeland of the Spaniards.

Once again, I will not indulge your fetishes.

Doc Rock
2/2/2019 05:59:57 pm

I'm gonna borrow those lines the next time I find myself trapped in the New York college cocktail party circuit and i am trying to make nice with one of those cute uber-liberal self-loathing rich Jewish professional grad students (over 40 and female, so calm down) who make Jerry Seinfeld's character seem ultra-orthodox in comparison.

Just gotta make sure that i don't have too many toddies and start talking about Mexicans in Spain instead of Spaniards in Mexico, although given the logic already involved it would probably work either way.

I will venture no further down this rabbit hole.

But now I'm unclear if I should have a few glasses of Manishewitz or a couple Tequila Sunrises to start this evening off right. Or maybe a few bottles of Taybeh, if Hamas hasn't beheaded the Khoury Brothers yet and they are still exporting.





Archiepiscopal Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 06:19:14 pm

Is this your personal ad?

"Turn ons: waitresses, military, and self-loathing Jewesses"?

When you're done backscuttling her be sure you retain the presence of mind to reach around for a few coins.

We're learning a lot about you Cap'n. But not how you account for the anti-Zionist Jews.

Joe Scales
2/2/2019 08:33:04 pm

"And anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism."

No, it's just the more polite way to put it...

Aquaeous Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 08:38:19 pm

See? We're NOT joined at the hip!

Joe Scales
2/2/2019 08:58:16 pm

I do recall that one guy... who marveled at our ability to argue with ourselves.

Agglutinating Cool "Disco" Dan
2/3/2019 02:59:09 pm

“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel”

- Rep. Ilhan Omar, D. Minnesota 2012

Doc Rock
2/2/2019 10:37:56 am

"Stadium tour"? I would think that Banquet Room B of the Holiday Inn would suffice for a speech about Lizard People manipulating Jews. But then again I have always fondly referred to Australians as the Rednecks of the southern hemisphere.

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Admonishing Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 01:13:52 pm

True, Wembley Stadium only holds 12,000 but...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/take-that-the-rolling-stones-david-icke-lizard-king-makes-his-comeback-at-wembley-8228754.html

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/david-icke-conspiracy-leicester-cancelled-1321244

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/921417/David-Icke-royal-family-shape-shifting-lizards-Gavin-Bone-Pagan-witchcraft

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David Bradbury
2/3/2019 07:15:22 pm

"Wembley Stadium only holds 12,000"
Note to non-British readers: Wembley Stadium (covered seating, open-air football pitch, capacity about 90,000) is not the same as Wembley Arena (all indoors, capacity about 12,500) which Icke has used on multiple occasions.

Appreciative Cool "Disco" Dan
2/3/2019 07:23:34 pm

Dammit! Thank you. That did seem awfully small. Yes it was Wembley ARENA. Now I'll never get into a pre-law PROGRAM.

Jason Colavito link
2/2/2019 01:22:04 pm

Since you mentioned it, I double-checked the size of the venues. He played stadiums in past tours, but it appears that this time he is playing large venues, but not stadium size. He is booked in the largest convention and exposition center in the southern hemisphere, but the venue's main hall holds only 5500 people.

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Doc Rock
2/2/2019 03:35:09 pm

Even the main hall of a convention center that seats 5500 seems incredible to me. I don't think that even Milo Yiannopoulos drew that kind of crowds on his Aussie Tour a couple years ago. David Paulides went down there a year or so ago, but with the crowd he got they could have done it in somebody's basement.

Guess there is good money in serving up lizard people conspiracies with a side-dish of anti-semitism.

Brian
2/2/2019 12:02:32 pm

Got to agree with Doc Rock. Is there any way to ban Icke from Earth? Surely there are some pleasant humanoid aliens he could seek asylum with.

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Riley V
2/4/2019 10:06:49 am

I find him to me a nuisance more than enything else these days. Maybe the Lizard people will grow tired, and haul him off to their home planet.
That said, every day is “Punch a Nazi Day.”

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Samarkhand
2/2/2019 04:19:51 pm

Icke a virulent climate change denialist which I think is far worse.

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Anglican Cool "Disco" Dan
2/2/2019 04:34:16 pm

Bring back the Thames Frost Fairs!

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Machala
2/2/2019 04:21:28 pm

This is a topic that I am very wary of and have written at length about.
I have been accused, because of my anti-Israeli Expansionist stance, and pro- Palaestine people's right to have their own country, self-government, and universal recognition, of being anti-Semitic.

This is a corrupt terminology first recorded around 1880 to connote discrimmination, prejudice, or hostility towards Jews. In truth... the defininition of Semite is: "A member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs".

I bring this up because there is a certain element of extreme zionism in Israel and elsewhere that I have railed against. I equate this vocal minority of the Jewish people, the ones easily manipulated by Benny & his Boys of the Likud, to Trump's MEGA Minions. These are not Sabras, nor the majority of Jewish people, but a recent émigrés from Russia and Eastern Europe.They have a vision akin to the Manifest Destiny that Americans had in the 1800's and their treatment of Arabs, and particularly those from the Palastine, is as abhorrent as the treatment of Native Americans and Africans by the European colonialists in the Americas.

That said, I have read and listened to David Icke and find him as ignorant, obnoxious, and ill-informed as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulter. But those those above mentioned and more, just because their politics and prejudices differ from mine, doesn't mean that I feel that they should be de facto banned or censored.

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JaredMithrandir link
2/4/2019 11:16:34 am

I agree a lot of Anti-Semitism creeps into Conspiracy Theories, but I'm sick of this notion that mentioning the Rothschilds at all is some smoking gun. You can't oppose Capitalism with painting the Rothschilds as among the bad guys of modern history. The problem only comes when they're treated like the only ones.

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Doc Rock
2/4/2019 11:59:34 am

The only problem is that If it wasn't for conspiracy nuts then i doubt that most people here would even know who you are talking about when the name Rothschilds comes up.

Any number of wealthy families are evoked as the chief boogeyman of capitalism. But it always seems to be the Rothschilds who pull double duty as Nephilim, in the service of lizard people, etc.

By the way, Brandi's Jewish ancestry comes thru a minor offshoot branch of the Rothschild family in the US.

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JaredMithrandir
2/5/2019 03:53:23 pm

Most people I've seen single out the Rotschilds also mention the Rockafellers on the same level, so Gentile super rich do get equal treatment.

Liaz
2/20/2019 12:50:30 am

Ickes visa has just been revoked over 'character' grounds. Welcome to 1984 and Big brother telling you what you should see and listen to. The government knows what is good for you people of this imprisoned land

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The
2/21/2019 12:38:15 pm

I have read some Icke. I have never yet seen any comment by him denying holocaust or fomenting anti Semitism.

I have seen him state that we are all pure consciousness expressing itself in various forms.

I have seen him state that shooting Palestinian kids in the head is wrong.

I have seen him talk a lot about reptilians.

I believe he has the absolute right to say any of the above.

I have the absolute right to decide for myself, as do you, whether or not he is simply bonkers.



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