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Author Claims Noah's Ark is in Iran

12/10/2015

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Adventurers have been climbing mountains in the Middle East looking for Noah’s Ark ever since Jacob of Nisibis decided to climb Mt. Judi in order to reach it in the fourth century CE (Faustus of Byzantium, History of the Armenians 3.10). The Ark’s alleged remains had been a tourist attraction for centuries before, going back even before there were people to believe in Noah, back to the time when the Babylonians imagined that their Flood hero’s ark stood on the same mountain (Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 1.93; Eusebius, Chronicle 37; Eusebius, Praeparatio Evangelica 9.12; George Syncellus, Chronicle 32; texts here). But whether the adventurers looked on Mt. Judi, the traditional location, or the mountain now called Mt. Ararat in Turkey (formerly Mt. Masis), which superseded Mt. Judi in the medieval period, one thing remains true: No one has actually found the imaginary vessel atop either peak. 
That’s why Noah’s Ark seeker B. J. Corbin, founder of NoahsArkSearch.com, has a new eBook out claiming that Noah’s Ark is actually in modern Iran. His claim in Seven Mountains to Aratta is a bit complex but rests, ultimately, on a linguistic claim, as outlined in an excerpt he recently published on Ancient Origins.
 
Corbin argues that the “Mountains of Ararat” described n Genesis should be compared to the mythic land of Aratta in Sumerian mythology based on the similarity of names. There have been some scholars who have previously made the claim, but there are many versions of the name Ararat, and it isn’t at all clear which is the oldest or original. Other versions include the Assyrian Urartu and the Babylonian Urashtu. Robert M. Brest, a euhemerist, wrote a book in 1999 called Noah’s Ark and the Ziusudra Epic in which he claimed that Noah was really Ziusudra and the “mountain” of Ararat was in fact the ziggurat at Eridu where Noah made sacrifices. He claimed that the Jews misunderstood and mistranslated Babylonian and Sumerian words in adapting the Ziusudra story (which, in turn, had mistranslated the ziggurat hill as a mountain), and they confused Aratta for Ararat. Beyond that, he said that the original story was about a river barge carrying animals that overturned during a storm in 2900 BCE. This is a heavily rationalized argument, claiming as it does a real event as its source, or that such an event is recoverable by selectively identifying specific details of the Atrahasis epic as “true” and others as “false.”
 
The Sumerian Aratta differs from all references to any version of Ararat in that it describes a mythical land of wealth, metalworkers, and stoneworkers somewhere beyond a mountainous land. There is no evidence that Aratta ever existed outside the imagination of Mesopotamian storytellers, but speculation has placed the kingdom anywhere from eastern Iran to the Himalayas.
 
Based on this, Corbin chooses to place Aratta in western Iran, and he notes that two holy mountains are present in old Persia, Damavand and Alvand. The former mountain is interesting in this context only because the Greeks called it Mt. Jasonion (Latin: Jasonium Mons) and associated it with Jason, of Argo fame, whom Jacob Bryant (wrongly) argued was a corruption of Noah on the basis of Argo = Ark. Well, sort of: Strabo (Geography 11.13) makes it Darmavand, but the location suggested by Ammianus Marcellinus (Roman History 23.6.28, 39) actually makes the mountain Alvand, in the Jason Range. Certainly it is odd that the master of the Argo should be associated with Iranian mountains, but this wasn’t really anything to do with boat or arks. It’s because the Greeks misunderstood the Persian ayazana (= Median *yazona) fire altars as monuments to Jason, mishearing the word as Iasonion, or temple of Jason.
 
Alvand has long been a sacred mountain, going back to Zoroastrianism and paganism before it. In more recent times, Islam has left its imprint on local traditions, such that locals identified the mountain as the resting place of Noah’s Ark and a cave on the mountain as the tomb of Shem, one of Noah’s sons, at least according to Corbin. I haven’t been able to confirm that there is a tradition of the cave being identified with Shem. That’s not to say it can’t be true; the town of Hamadan (ancient Ecbatana), at the foot of Alvand, was alleged to take its modern name from its mythic founder, supposed to be Shem’s grandson. All the same, I can’t find a reference to Noah or Shem and the mountain itself except in creationist texts looking for Noah’s Ark—Hamadan is where Ed Davis claimed to have glimpsed Noah’s Ark on a nearby mountain he claimed was Ararat. While this can’t be Masis in Turkey, it was likely Alvand.
 
It would be tempting to think that the Classical association of Alvand with the great sailor Jason led to Noah replacing him in local lore, but as far as I know there is no evidence for this. However, Corbin’s search for the Ark in Iran suggests that there is increasingly little money left to be made from hunting for a big boat atop Mt. Ararat or Mt. Judi after more than 2,500 years of searching failed to find it.
23 Comments
DaveR
12/10/2015 04:04:53 pm

What never existed can never be found.

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Kathleen Smith
12/10/2015 05:28:26 pm

I am not clear why anyone is still looking for the Ark. Do they really expect wooden structures or artifacts to survive 2,500 years of being exposed to the elements. Or is the Ark endowed with divine preservation or other supernatural characteristics?

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V
12/10/2015 07:20:18 pm

Yes and yes. At least in these guys' eyes. They have no idea how fast wood can rot when it's out in the elements, how likely it would be that something like that ship would have been dismantled for building materials in the first place, and even if they do, they handwave it because "It was God's special ship."

Logic not required.

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Pam
12/10/2015 10:17:48 pm

In the article Jason linked to, you'll notice the author used the term "bible -believing -Christians".

People who use that language usually have a literal understanding of the Bible, especially Genesis. They believe in an actual ark that can be found. If they find it, it will prove (in their view ) everything they believe.

These are the same people who ignore geology in favor of a "young earth ".

No science required. :)

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DaveR
12/11/2015 07:50:53 am

Or the "flat Earth."

My ex-brother in law was "saved" and believed the bible was "...the word of God, completely infallible, and could never be proven false or be contradicted in any manner." Those were his words.

When I asked him about dinosaurs he explained they were either fabrications by scientists; "soft" rocks put to together by "stupid" people who saw patterns where none existed; or...and this is my favorite...actual bones of dinosaurs that never existed but were placed in the ground by God to test the faithful. When I asked him about dating methods he explained God made this also to further test the faithful.

V
12/11/2015 09:55:13 am

Which still always boggles my mind, Pam, because EVEN IF THERE HAD BEEN A LITERAL ARK, the chances of it surviving 4000+ years is astronomically slim, you know?

An Over-Educated Grunt
12/11/2015 10:00:06 am

I cannot stand that argument. An all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good deity who also consistently lies to us just to see if we're paying attention isn't an all-knowing et cetera, it's the perfect description of a petty tyrant of an office manager who doles out just enough information for his people to fail, then blames them for their failure. No one aspires to be more like that guy, so why exactly would you set that up as your ultimate role model, the one from whom all information in your universe must flow? Why would you formulate a god that you know up-front is lying to you and setting you up for failure?

Time Machine
12/11/2015 10:38:13 am

>>>I cannot stand that argument<<<

That's great, it means that you are a critic of religious mumbo-jumbo of the Gospels and acknowledge them to be works of conspiracy theory of the second century, as recognised by Biblical criticism of the 19th century, that has been whitewashed by the conservative 20th century Biblical criticism hogwash onwards, that is no good for man or beast.

Shane Sullivan
12/11/2015 11:05:47 am

"Why would you formulate a god that you know up-front is lying to you and setting you up for failure?"

On the plus side, at least the punishment for failure isn't that bad. Just eternal damnation.

Time Machine
12/11/2015 11:27:39 am

>>>"Why would you formulate a god that you know up-front is lying to you and setting you up for failure??<<<

You don't get that far with these metaphysical considerations if you are a rationalist.

DaveR
12/11/2015 11:51:21 am

I think it's mental gymnastics some people perform to help them reject scientific proof for the protection of their religious beliefs that are based on nothing more than stories.

Pam
12/11/2015 11:51:43 am

DaveR and Grunt,

I have also heard the argument that dinosaur bones were put in the earth as a test for man, along with the one where the earth, while only 5 or 7 thousand years old, was "created to appear billions of years old" by God in order to test/confuse man. It's mind boggling to me.

V,

I don't understand what the ark hunters think they'll find after such a long time, either (assuming an actual ark existed in the first place). At best, perhaps an impression in the ground?

Pam
12/11/2015 12:11:20 pm

"I think it's mental gymnastics some people perform to help them reject scientific proof for the protection of their religious beliefs that are based on nothing more than stories."

DaveR,

I agree, but this only happens to people who take the Bible as a science text instead of a text that teaches moral, spiritual and theological truths.

There are many who are comfortable with science and faith, but if a person limits his understanding of science to Genesis, then he has to perform those "mental gymnastics".

To me, it's the same as people insisting that the Shroud Of Turin is authentic. It shouldn't matter if it isn't because a person's faith should not be dependent on such objects. If it is, is it really "faith" ?

Time Machine
12/11/2015 12:16:10 pm

There is the irrationality masquerading as rationality.

Bob Jase
12/10/2015 06:28:06 pm

Bullcookies - the Ark is in the Salton Sink. Seen many times by unimpeachable (dead) witnesses.

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Ph
12/10/2015 07:15:46 pm

Every respectable religion needs a flood tale.
I remain a sceptic about it really happening as described in the bible.
Sure there have been floods that wiped out entire regions, and those stories have been told around campfires for millenia.
The bible one just has too many inconsistencies by trying to be too specific.

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Mandalore
12/10/2015 07:23:47 pm

A number of ancient historians place Aratta in Afghanistan, which had trade links with Mesopotamia in the early Bronze Age. The Sumerians said that is where they got tin for bronze and lapus lazuli, both of which were abundant in the modern area of Afghanistan. There are no significant tin deposits in Mesopotamia or Iran. See Hamblin, Warfare in the Ancient Near East to 1600 (2006).

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David Bradbury
12/11/2015 02:34:53 pm

On dinosaurs, and other fossil-type remnants, my understanding has always been that the "universal flood" myth exists specifically to explain the presence of remains of sea creatures in the ground, high up in mountainous areas.

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Pam
12/11/2015 03:52:39 pm

That's my understanding as well. I think the dinosaur remains cause problems for "bible believers" because dinosaurs aren't mentioned in the Bible. Giant people (Nephilim ) ? Yes. If giant human remains are found, that would be acceptable. :)




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David Bradbury
12/11/2015 06:22:16 pm

Maybe dinosaurs were giant Nephilim beavers
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Beaver_skeleton.jpg

JaredMithrandir link
5/15/2019 01:53:04 pm

Dinosaurs are mentioned in The Bible, the Bible uses a 100% Synonym for that word, Dragon.

Tony
12/13/2015 04:12:42 pm

If nothing else, judging by all the misunderstandings he's uncovered, B. J. Corbin appears to have proven that the ancient Greeks were extremely hard of hearing.

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5/15/2019 01:49:14 pm

All I know for certain is Biblical Ararat can't be Uratu because it's clearly East of Shinar and Babel. Yet that traditional idea that it's in Turkey is utterly dependent on the Uratu identification.

A Zagros Mountains location for where the Ark landed can indeed be made to fit a local Flood model if one wanted to, since a number of theory view the GIhon and/or Pison river as flowing into the Zagros Mountains.

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