Recently, Maharashtra state archaeologist Tejas Garge announced that his team had uncovered petroglyphs depicting humans and animals. “Our first deduction from examining these petroglyphs is that they were created around 10,000 BC,” Garge told the BBC. When the BBC reported on the discovery of 12,000-year-old petroglyphs in the Konkan region of the western Indian state of Maharashtra, a strange choice made by BBC Marathi reporter Mayuresh Konnur (or whoever translated his work in to English) has led to a hyperdiffusionist claim that Ice Age Indians traveled from Africa and brought knowledge of animals like rhinoceroses and hippopotamuses with them. Consider this reaction from the fringe: “So, how are archaeologists going to explain the thousands of rock carvings discovered on hillocks in the Konkan region of western Maharashtra that show images of hippos, rhinos and other never-seen-in-India creatures interacting with humans 12.000 years ago?” Paul Seaburn of Mysterious Universe ignorantly asked. The BBC’s English-language article on the discovery had asked how ancient Indians might have carved images of animals that are not native to western India. “Did the people who created them migrate to India from Africa?” the BBC asked. But this question represented the translator’s own ignorance. In fact, the evidence on the BBC’s own website demonstrates that the fault lies entirely with the employee tasked with adapting for English-language readers an article originally published in Marathi on the BBC’s Marathi-language service. Given the differences between the two articles, I assume that Konnur did not translate his own work. The Marathi version of the article is much longer and has many more qualifiers. In it, Garge is more circumspect about the age of the rock art. In the original article, Garge said that he dated the petroglyphs by comparing them to rock art in other areas of India where similar figures date between 25,000 and 3,000 years ago. While the Google Translate version of the Marathi text is quite garbled and unclear, if I have begun to pick up the rudiments of the language correctly (and I admit to having only a superficial understanding of Marathi after a very brief study), he seemed to say that the petroglyphs were provisionally dated to 12,000 years old on stylistic grounds, but could be as young as 700 years old or as old as 40,000 years—“kamīta kamī 700 varṣān̄cā āṇi kāhī ṭhikāṇī 40 hajāra varṣaṁ” (“minimally 700 years old and in a few places 40,000 years old”). The BBC left out much of the archaeological information from the Marathi version and mistranslated its own article, adding in other information that was not present in the original. Here is the original, cleaned up from Google Translate as best I can read Marathi with the aid of a dictionary, followed by the English language version: Translated Original You can see where the English-language adapter for the BBC has imposed his or her own ignorance on the article. Reference to Africa does not appear in the original. This is problematic because, as you might know, India has rhinoceroses and once had hippopotamuses.
The Indian rhinoceros, justly famous, has been known in the West since the time of Ctesias, the Greek writer who described a “unicorn” in his fantastical account of India that was almost certainly this rhinoceros. Other ancient accounts of the creature appear in Megasthenes 15 (in Strabo, Georgraphy 15.1.56); Philostratus, Life of Apollonius 3.1-5; Pseudo-Callisthenes, Alexander Romance 3.16-17; etc. India was the source for rhinoceroses in the West down to European exploration of sub-Saharan Africa in early modern times. The rhinoceros’s historic range in India covered the Indo-Gangetic Plain, which is north of Maharastan. I am no expert in fossil Indian rhinoceroses. There is, however, a 1946 book on the subject by Dirk Albert Hooijer entitled Prehistoric and Fossil Rhinoceroses from the Malay Archipelago and India that I have not read but whose title speaks to the larger range of the rhinoceros in the Ice Age. It’s true that India does not have hippopotamuses, but it did in the past. Paleontologists have unearthed remains of the hippopotamus and other members of its family in India, where the animals lived down to the end of the last Ice Age. It is not clear to me (since I have not seen a picture) that the petroglyph animal is in fact intended to be a hippopotamus, but given the date and location, it is not impossible. The bottom line is that we are already seeing the birth of fringe claim about Ice Age travel between India and Africa based largely on one guy’s mistake in adapting a Marathi article into English without sufficient background in the ecology and paleontology of India.
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A Buddhist
10/4/2018 08:55:29 am
It is this type of collective ignorance and apathy about researching areas of knowledge that are little known to the writer and readers that, in other circumstances, has spawned the Mandala Effect nonsense. People involved in both the Mandala Effect and the translation of this article (as well as comments about the translation of the article) would rather assume that their limited knowledge bases and memories are correct and the world deviant than recognize the limitations in their knowledge and memories.
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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/4/2018 10:57:12 pm
I think you're misremembering "the Mandala effect". You may now tell your family and friends that you have been corrected by the best. Perhaps straying too far from the stupittika.
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A Buddhist
10/5/2018 08:36:44 am
AmericanCool"Disco"Dan: If you were the best at correcting, you would correct without insulting.
Peter B
10/5/2018 04:08:32 pm
You're both misremembering. It's the "Mandela effect". As in the Sainted Nelson.
Americancool"Disco"dan
10/5/2018 05:33:10 pm
I didn't misremember. I looked it up to check my understanding and showed a Buddhuist one corner of the handkerchief; he chose not to find the other three.
A Buddhist
10/5/2018 07:24:13 pm
AmericanCool"Disco"Dan: If you had looked up the "Mandela effect" properly, you would have realized that I had misremembered its spelling, spelling it as "Mandala effect". Unless...is this the one of the handkerchief that you refer to? If so, then you are not the best corrector, because you are defective in two ways.
Funny
10/4/2018 10:58:50 am
Wait a second, so BBC is no more credible source? I thought that mainstream media never lie, they are never promoting fringe things and we should believe everything what is shown on BBC, CNN and what are believed by scientists who are dealing with history. Obviously the truth is that it's impossible nowadays to find a credible website, because everywhere people are making mistakes or pushing own agenda.
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BigNick
10/4/2018 11:25:02 am
Yes Comrade, is very concerning. I having lost all faith in western news source now
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Dan
10/4/2018 11:50:26 pm
Oh, Man! Good catch!
GEE
10/4/2018 12:25:11 pm
"Truth" is different things to different people
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Oog the cave man
10/4/2018 11:57:23 am
Me Hunt Rhinoceros in India. Me get in trouble for hunting endangered animal. Me become fringe blogger. Me become media sensation. Me run for POTUS. Me win. Me take large dump on American Television. Me impeached. Me win impeachment vote in old man Senate. Hurray for me.
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E.P. Grondine
10/4/2018 04:00:53 pm
"The bottom line is that we are already seeing the birth of fringe claim about Ice Age travel between India and Africa based largely on one guy’s mistake in adapting a Marathi article into English without sufficient background in the ecology and paleontology of India."
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AmericanCool"Disco"Dan
10/4/2018 10:46:53 pm
What we are seeing is a beedees riddled old man who can only talk about one thing. Vide infra.
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E.P. Grondine
10/5/2018 11:06:44 am
Since you won't get up from your computer and go out and get laid, may I suggest that as an alternative you go fuck yourself.
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Oog the cave man
10/5/2018 02:00:14 pm
AmericanCool"Disco"Dan. used to be Americanegro. He only have three inch dick and working computer. He have no life except for this blog he has hi jacked.
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Jockobadger
10/5/2018 03:48:28 pm
Hello. I've been reading Jason's blog for some time and usually enjoy both the content and the comments. It's pretty clear to me that most of the folks who take the time to comment here are well-read, capable of quality critical thinking, and are decent writers. Makes for fun reading when I'm bored to tears here at work - like right now.
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Doc Rock
10/5/2018 09:31:33 pm
You do realize that you are in a setting where having a degree and some level of knowledge directly related to a subject under discussion tends to count against you?
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Jockobadger
10/8/2018 12:35:01 pm
Hi Doc,
Kal
10/6/2018 05:00:57 pm
"The Mandela effect" should probably be Mandela Affect, as it is about people and mis remembering things, not about 'effects' as on objects, not people.
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Jockobadger
10/8/2018 12:52:30 pm
The Berenstain Bears always threw me when we read them as kids. I didn't like the "stain" part of it because it sounded disgusting. However, it did have the effect of causing me to remember it very well. When all this Mandala/Mandela/Whatever stuff came up, that was one of the examples cited and it didn't fool me for a second. It was Berenstain, not Berenstein, right?
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David Bradbury
10/9/2018 03:30:01 pm
From the English version of the article, quoting one of the researchers:
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Finn
10/10/2018 03:00:04 am
It's possible this "hippo" was a palaeocryptic species. It existed when humans arrived, and disappeared after. We have some teeth suggesting hexaprodotontids lived in India (and possibly the entire clade evolved in Asia, and the pygmy hippo migrated to Africa later), so it's not outside the realm of possibility there were species that have since disappeared.
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