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California Newspaper: Discoverer of Mexican Spear Point in Hawaii Is "Like Indiana Jones"

6/12/2014

30 Comments

 
Before we begin today, I thought I’d share this depressing fact: Last night I downloaded the new Pluto TV app, which promises to offer 100 channels of live streaming television. Among those channels is an entire (nonfiction) channel devoted to “Conspiracies and Myths.” At least they had the good sense to put it in the entertainment tier rather than the education tier, but it’s still disturbing that the newest competitor to traditional television is running The Moon Landing Was a Hoax and other paranoid programming on an entire channel devoted to conspiracy theories.
Anyway, there isn’t much news in a recent story in the Amador Ledger-Dispatch of Amador County, California about the America Unearthed episode chronicling the discovery of a Mexican spear head in Hawaii and the seizure of said artifact by the National Park Service. However, the article shows that the discoverer of the artifact, Trevor Carter, is still interested in publicizing the show and the surrounding events months after the show aired, and the media seem uninterested in critically evaluating claims for the allegedly “historic” nature of the discovery.

The tone was set right from the headline, which describes the obsidian spear point as a “possible historic link between Mayans and Polynesians.” The article goes on to liken Carter to Indiana Jones: “Only a man like Indiana Jones would hike up the side of a volcano, then hike miles deep into its belly, stumble upon precious, ancient treasure and, while trying to return it to its rightful owner, be relentlessly pursued by factions wanting the treasure for their own glory.” Presumably the “factions” are meant to be the National Park Service, but they might better refer to America Unearthed.

Carter is living in California now, so the Ledger-Dispatch found it newsworthy to discuss Carter’s discovery of the spear point with his friend Brian Axtell, his contact with Dr. Janet Six, and the bizarre events surrounding the National Park Service’s seizure of the artifact after Carter contacted America Unearthed and the production company began asking questions. At that point the Park Service realized that a national TV show was going to expose the fact that two men had illegally removed a possible archaeological artifact from a national park.
While Axtel (sic) met with officials from the Parks Service, a plain-clothes U. S. Forest Service agent flashed an official badge, confiscated the spearhead she had asked to examine, and threatened legal action against Axtel and Carter. The agent also banned the men from Haleakala National Park. Park access and permits were denied to the film crew, causing the program to be filmed on Haleakala Ranch, which is private property.
The article uses the passive voice to avoid stating whether the paper tried to contact the Park Service for comment, saying only that “Calls to the National Forest Service and the National Park Service have been non-comital (sic) and dismissive.” What does that mean? And what did the Forest Service have to do with what all involved had previously called a Park Service issue?

The article makes one brief mention of the fact that a modern origin for the spear point cannot be ruled out.

I take it that the author of the article, Carolyn Schmitz, is making an oblique reference to my critical comments about the spear point when discussing reasons why it may not be evidence of contact between the Mayans and the pre-Contact Hawaiians:
…online blogs have speculated about the mystery, suggesting that the item could have been brought to the island by Mayans crossing the sea; or it could be a trinket brought to the island by a harmonic convergence held at the park. There are those who blog about what they know about, using the greenish-gold obsidian spearhead as their springboard. Their topics include Polynesians, volcanos (sic), hippies, Mayans, rocks and minerals, hiking trails and young outdoor enthusiasts.
So far as I know, I was the first to research the Harmonic Convergence connection (based on a brief notice in the Maui Times from Dr. Janet Six) and publish discussions of the events and the New Age believers’ use of Mexican obsidian while in Hawaii as a “sacred” substance in connection with Mayan calendar beliefs.
30 Comments
Walt
6/12/2014 08:02:35 am

I hope you'll review Pluto TV someday. I don't keep up with streaming options like I should, so I'd be very interested in hearing your analysis of things.

It's not surprising that there's a fringe channel since that seems to be what we, collectively, want to watch. Right now, as you say, fringe topics are only discussed up to a certain point on cable TV, but I suspect moral responsibility and/or fear of a backlash won't affect streaming content, so the garbage will probably increase dramatically. Consumers are becoming content producers.

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666
6/12/2014 08:56:58 am

Indiana Jones was known to have looted an artefact in the very first moments of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" - modelling on Indiana Jones serves no purpose, since every single relic in existence was looted and should return to respective countries of origin without further delay

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Varika
6/12/2014 04:02:24 pm

To be at least vaguely fair, Indiana Jones was supposed to be happening during the 1940s, when, well, "it belongs in a museum" WAS a pretty common archeological cry. Still, the 40s were 70 years ago, so being "like Indiana Jones" ain't exactly staying up with the times. Also I'm pretty sure that the character was modeled after Belzoni, though don't quote me on that.

tl;dr: Indiana Jones was a grave-robber, but at least he had an excuse; modern jerks don't.

666
6/12/2014 11:40:46 pm

The mistakes of the past should be corrected.
The Elgin marbles belong next to the Acropolis where they originated, not in the British Museum in London, so that tourists to Athens can appreciate things a little bit more. And Greece would have part of its heritage restored.

.
6/15/2014 06:45:51 am

Triple Six, your best quip yet.
i totally agree. they all need
to return to their native land...

666
6/12/2014 08:08:35 am

It's like weeding the garden, engaging in all this debunking of unwanted growth, the iconoclasm of fringe beliefs

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An Over-Educated Grunt
6/12/2014 08:38:58 am

Insofar as they have two arms, two legs, and heads, I suppose they do resemble Indiana Jones, but at least those movies hinted that offscreen he could be a respectable academic (see the "neolithic" scene in "Raiders"), and Jones was generally not grabbing artifacts for personal aggrandizement (both the Hovidos idol and Coronado's cross were specifically mentioned as museum fodder). Appearing in full-on bro mode on an H2 program to promote an item you looted from a national park does not in fact make you Indiana Jones.

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Only Me
6/12/2014 09:14:47 am

What's troubling is the buy-in the reporter has for the story. A conspiracy because the Park Service reclaimed an artifact that was *illegally* removed, in accordance with federal law? All other alternative explanations for how it came to be in the park dismissively waved away? Good grief.

Let's look at this from another perspective. Museums all over have fossilized bone fragments and teeth that are the only proof of the existence of numerous prehistoric animals. No one can say what they looked like, how they lived or what role they played in the evolutionary process. We only know they existed at one time.

The spear point is in a similar predicament. We know it exists and is made of Mexican obsidian, but that's it. No further test results have been released concerning its age, which would go a long way to determining whether its a modern replica or a genuine ancient artifact. No one can explain how it came to be in Hawaii, and it doesn't prove a connection between the Polynesians and Mayans (or Mesoamerica) on its own.

I'd prefer less Indian Jones and more actual archaeology in the final verdict.

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666
6/12/2014 09:19:44 am

Even analytical archaeology can be subjective in nature.

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666
6/12/2014 09:24:21 am

Postscript: All those fakes in museums that could have been perpetrated by the likes of Raphael and Michelangelo - the excavations of Vesuvius and Herculaneum would have served as wonderful inspiration

Terry link
6/13/2014 05:20:51 am

That Pluto TV is actually ingenious. All they do is assemble YouTube videos from different categories and embed them in the service, on a schedule, for consumption. They can then insert their own ads in between each "broadcast." All the (immense cost of) bandwidth comes from YouTube servers while they just sit back and reap the rewards. The only real work comes from curating the content and programming the interface.

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BP
6/13/2014 06:38:06 am

I'll agree with the Amador Ledger-Dispatch, that this guy is like Indiana Jones. He thinks he's an archaeologist, but really just loots any old site with the hopes of striking it rich, getting attention, or both.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/13/2014 11:43:33 am

Unlike everybody else commenting on this question, apparently I alone have not personally examined the obsidian point in question, or compared it side-by-side to similar modern productions …

So I remain entirely open minded …

Prof. Dr. Janet Six, who has seen it up close in person, opines that it may be a genuine ancient import from Mexico …

I don't know …

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Mark E.
6/13/2014 03:12:06 pm

"Indiana Jones" removed the artifact and then cleaned it, the contextual evidence is gone that would have helped in determining when the artifact was deposited.

That it was found on the surface in a volcanic area would indicate that it was left in recent times no matter if it was made in ancient Mexico or is a modern reproduction. Erosion could have exposed the spear point but again our intrepid young explorer chose to loot instead of investigate so we will never know.

Trevor Carter is lucky he is not in prison for violating the Archaeological Resources Protection Act which of recent is being vigorously enforced.

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Only Me
6/13/2014 06:02:03 pm

Ever the spin doctor, I see. No comment in this thread has definitively stated the spear point is an artifact OR a modern replica. That debate occurred nearly four months ago. Do join the rest of us in the here and now.

As for Dr. Six, here's a relevant excerpt from her interview with Jason:

[...while the spear head was in her possession over the past few years (she used it as a teaching aid in her classes), she showed it to several experts, including experts in American archaeology. She told me that there was no consensus among the scholars who have viewed the spear head as to whether it is actually a Mesoamerican (most likely Mayan) artifact, and if so if it had been made before the Contact Period.]

That means she could have had the spear point tested while in her custody, or followed up with the Park Service to investigate the site where it was discovered...but she didn't. It also means her opinion is one among many, and as someone who admits "I’m not a lithics person or a Mayanist", that there is no additional evidence from the site, nor has she or anyone else visited the area, her opinion doesn't have the significance you think it does. There's also this:

["It could have come on a whaler,” she said, during the early Contact Period, brought by a ship that had passed through Mexico and then used in a nineteenth-century grave.]

Until an obsidian hydration test is performed on the spear point, or supporting evidence is recovered from the site, NO ONE can conclude that it is an artifact or modern replica.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/14/2014 03:46:39 am

Well, duh …

Exactly my point, you see … ??? No, you don't … The obsidian point may or may not be genuinely ancient … How it came to be in the Haleakala volcano crater remains unknown …

Experienced trained experts who have examined it and many similar artifacts are not certain as to its origin …

I'm not the one who once again brought this obsidian point and its claimed discovery up for discussion ...

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Only Me
6/14/2014 09:42:28 am

Actually, I do see your point. You want to leave a sarcastic remark about everyone else, except you, having the opportunity to study the spear point because most are of the opinion it's modern. You disagree, and trot out Dr. Six every time to vainly give your opinion weight.

You didn't reintroduce the discussion, but the article isn't about the spear point, specifically. Since there aren't any new revelations concerning it, there's really nothing to discuss that wasn't already addressed in the debate of four months ago.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/14/2014 10:36:13 am

No …

I don't have an opinion about the obsidian point … "I have no dog in a fight" about its authenticity or modernity or any (unsubstantiated) claim that it is a "hoax" …

I mention Dr. Janet Six (as does the article above !!!) because she is an honest-to-goodness trained experienced Hawaiian archaeologist who has examined the object and has not yet issued a definitive opinion one way or an other …

I'm not the one with the "obsidian point" problem … I have thus far an OPEN MIND about it …

Only Me
6/14/2014 02:25:38 pm

I don't see anyone else having an "obsidian point" problem, either.

.
6/15/2014 06:44:10 am

hippies with harmonicas is a
shuddersome & wry thought.

Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/14/2014 04:33:13 pm

LOL …

Okay, then … Why bring it *up* again, eh … ???

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Only Me
6/14/2014 06:02:44 pm

Are you purposefully being a dumbass? No, seriously. I shouldn't have to explain it to you, but I will.

This line from the article clearly provides the reason Jason chose to report it:

[Carter is living in California now, so the Ledger-Dispatch found it newsworthy to discuss Carter’s discovery of the spear point with his friend Brian Axtell, his contact with Dr. Janet Six, and the bizarre events surrounding the National Park Service’s seizure of the artifact after Carter contacted America Unearthed and the production company began asking questions.]

He stated himself "there isn't much news", but he was interested because the author of the story likened Trevor Carter to Indiana Jones and may have vaguely referenced his comments on this blog.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/15/2014 05:53:02 am

LOL …

I'm not the one who *once*again* brought up "the obsidian point" … and Prof. Dr. Janet Six …

what ever

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.
6/15/2014 06:40:24 am

its yesterdayz newz twice over but worthy of note
due to the brief flurry of hyperbole and publicity!!!

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Only Me
6/15/2014 02:45:16 pm

Well, since you're defaulting to repeating yourself ONCE AGAIN, it's obvious you have nothing left to say.

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Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/15/2014 03:37:42 pm

Well, … duh … until and unless a qualified person performs and reports the necessary tests and examinations and studies on the obsidian point, there isn't much more to say about it … for now ...

Again (and again) I'm not the fella who brought it up in this blog …

So … what ever ever ...

Only Me
6/15/2014 05:22:12 pm

Duh, LOL, whatever...Duh, LOL, whatever...Duh, LOL, whatever

Rev. Phil Gotsch
6/16/2014 01:06:22 am

Is there any new Information about the "obsidian point" … ??? or not … ???

.
6/15/2014 06:52:11 am

Harrison Ford agreed despite his seventysomething age
to retrurn to the STAR WARz franchise for George Lucas.
he ended up in the hospital when a door from his ship fell
on him. is this a metaphor for our times & how time passes?
i know this is slightly off topic, its not an "indy" story, but we
are talking about Harrison Ford and his bold career choices.
at least he's not unemployed and impoverished, but you'd
assume Hollywood gives a darn & someone knows their job.

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Seeker
6/17/2014 04:46:36 pm

Thanks for tracking this comical news story down, Jason. Seriously, they didn't want to "piss off Pele" so they removed the item from the park and started packing it around? Made a tattoo from it?

I agree this story was spun to make them look as sympathetic as possible. Did previous accounts say they took photos and carefully documented where the piece was, etc. or is that new?

While trying to justify their inappropriate actions as somehow respectful, the writer manages to overlook how the men broke the laws of the land and of common sense, too (e.g. washing the spear point off). Give it a rest, guys, your 15 minutes of dubious fame are over.

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