Capitol Invader "Q-Shaman" Claims to Be Secret Military Psychic Space Warrior

1/7/2021

It should surprise no one that yesterday’s siege of the United States Capitol by a pro-Trump right-wing mob included close connections to right-wing conspiracy theories, and not just the putative election fraud claim Pres. Donald Trump used to incite the violence at a rally yesterday afternoon. Many of the thugs who invaded the Capitol sported QAnon clothing, and at least one brandished a flag printed with a “Trump—JFK Jr.” slogan, a reference to a QAnon conspiracy theory imagining that the late son of John F. Kennedy is both secretly alive and about to become Trump’s second vice president. On Fox News Channel, Tucker Carlson spun a conspiracy theory that Antifa agitators had infiltrated the mob, while actual journalists identified several of its members as known white nationalist and right-wing extremists.

Jake Angeli (center, in horns) stands in the United States Capitol after breaking through police barricades.

One of the most visually striking of the angry thugs was the shirtless “Viking” or “shaman” dressed in war paint with a horned headdress and tattoos associated with neo-paganism and white nationalism. The so-called “Q-Shaman” has been a regular fixture at pro-Trump rallies across the country, a longtime “Q-influencer,” and yesterday the man news organizations identified as Jake Angeli, 33, seized the dais in the Senate chamber in the name of Donald Trump. He is also a believer in wild conspiracies that are ripped straight out of Ancient Aliens and other similar cable TV programs.

Angeli appears to be the same man who operates a YouTube channel (which YouTube terminated late Thursday) that had posted a series of conspiratorial videos since the November election. The man in the videos has the same look and build and the same set of distinctive tattoos. He also identifies himself by the same name. In the videos, Angeli presents the standard QAnon belief system, including pedophile rings, a “cabal” of evil liberals and globalists, and a quasi-religious infatuation with Donald Trump—many of which were ideas that emerged from the 1980s satanic panic and were packaged as a right-wing mystery religion by Ancient Aliens star David Wilcock and other conspiracy mongers in the months before QAnon adopted them wholesale.

A screen shot from a YouTube video by a man identifying himself as "Jake."

In one video posted two weeks ago, Angeli goes still further, claiming that superhero comic books are “soft disclosure” of secret supernatural government programs and that he had been part of a clandestine military “super-soldier” program to use Eastern occult traditions to create analogs of Captain America. He alleges that he participated in a space war whereby he used his psychic occult powers to manipulate “the timelines” and take out the ships of the mind-parasites trying to destroy this world. (Many of these ideas parallel the “work” of David Wilcock and Corey Goode, the latter also claiming to be a secret space warrior fighting the “cabal.”)

The same video referencing H. P. Lovecraft and the Old Ones, alongside other pop culture artifacts.

The video quotes Graham Hancock by name.

Angeli spoke, too, of the “frequencies of energy” in the Egyptian pyramids, “ley lines,” “star alignments,” “monoatomic gold,” and psychoactive drugs to “expand” consciousness in order to reincarnate. These ideas are straight out of the Ancient Aliens playbook (all have been featured in episodes) and can be found in the work of fringe authors like Graham Hancock (whom his video quotes by name) and David Wilcock, and Angeli describes his self-mythologizing as an effort to find a religious meaning in life. Like Wilcock, Angeli thinks that movies contain secret messages about the true nature of reality. “These were all like breadcrumbs, you guys,” Angeli said. Naturally, his video namechecks not just Lucifer and QAnon, but also H. P. Lovecraft and the gods from outside.

It is evident from the 90-minute video that Angeli has serious issues, and he appears to genuinely believe that he is a psychic warrior fighting the Old Ones in trans-dimensional space for the glory of Donald Trump.

50 Comments

Anthony G.

1/7/2021 11:30:51 am

I'm pretty sure my grandfather rolled over in his grave yesterday. The man never spoke a word about war to me. I only learned of his experience on Iwo Jima after his death. I also learned that when local riots occurred, the police would call in my grandfather. He was apparently a man not to be trifled with.

I remember as a child seeing images of black people being hosed down with water from fire hoses, beating with clubs, and attacked with dogs. All for the crime of peaceful protest and demonstration. My grandfather explained to me that they just wanted to be treated equally. This is how I should treat all people, no matter what color their skin is.

Where were the fire hoses at yesterday? Where were all the German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers? Where were all the various units dressed in tactical gear indiscriminately cracking people in the head with their clubs? These people should have never been allowed within 10 ft of the Capitol building.

I hope some of these people are quickly identified through the largest facial recognition database in the world.. Facebook, and dealt with accordingly. The doofus waving the Confederate flag in the capital building should receive a special visit. That idiot shouldn't have even been allowed on Pennsylvania avenue. Once I saw that... I knew my grandfather had rolled over.

It's time to go Donnie. Get the hell out! You are not a king. You are not Vladimir Putin. No matter how tightly your lips are pressed to his keister. You are just his fanboy.

Nick Danger

1/8/2021 09:39:52 am

Kent

1/8/2021 05:50:32 pm

"My grandfather... blah blah blah..." is what I like to call Borrowed Valor. Not stolen per se, but not yours either. Callers to right wing talk shows use it often, as if it gives their opinion more weight.

As for the police, maybe like Scotty your grandpa brought the hot sauce.
https://www.dailyom.com/cgi-bin/display/librarydisplay.cgi?lid=454

"Where were the fire hoses at yesterday? Where were all the German Shepherds and Doberman Pinschers? Where were all the various units dressed in tactical gear indiscriminately cracking people in the head with their clubs?"

Same place they were all through 2020 I suppose. What's CHAZ for the goose is CHAZ for the gander.

Wade

1/10/2021 01:46:35 pm

I love how these hillbilly Q cultist are trying to spin this.
The metal gymnastics must be exhausting.

1/10/2021 06:20:16 pm

I prefer the inner city n-word spin. Seriously dude, "Hillbilly"? I don't know or care what Q is. Just like your President and your next President. And everyone on the planet.

The most powerful person in Congress is now a blue dog hillbilly

1/10/2021 07:16:46 pm

For the last few years the use of troops to quell civil unrest has been spun as nothing more than further incitement of rioting and supression of the Constitutionally protected right to firebomb Mom and Pop appliance stores and launch frozen water bottles at anyone in a uniform. It is just so darn cute how you think that it is hillbilly spin to point out the fact that attitudes have changed about the use of the National Guard and police in a matter of days.

leone lshout link

1/9/2021 04:34:31 pm

if you call yourself a credible researcher why do you spend your time on this crazy guy at all? It's a waste of time. However, it could be very well that he is demonic possessed. No one knows for sure. We can only pray for him. Did you read my Atlantis conclusions by the way?

Kent link

1/10/2021 02:57:21 am

I know for sure that he's NOT "demonic possessed". What of it?

Jens

1/11/2021 02:05:36 am

Since possession is not a real thing, id say we know for sure. Also is your conclusion on atlantis that it is a mythical tale? Otherwise you would be mistaken there aswell. Good day

Rump State

1/7/2021 11:30:59 am

The next time the rioters might consider torching a bunch of cars and looting a Best Buy and liquor store. The event can then be spun as "Fiery but mostly peaceful" on Fox News.

Joanna Hannigan link

1/7/2021 11:57:00 am

Thanks again Jason; you're voice of reason and wealth of knowledge is much appreciated. As for J Angeli, sounds like another clueless member of the Coup Clux Clan...

Nerd11135

1/7/2021 12:06:16 pm

Post the link! This shit is fascinating! Please don't fret about "promoting" him. It's already mainstream enough that there was an insurgency at the capitol of the USA. Your posting the link is not going to give him more publicity than that.

Crash55

1/7/2021 06:46:06 pm

Yesterday was a disgrace. I think every person who stormed the Capital should be arrested and charged with treason. I think Trump needs to be charged with sedition.

I wonder if someone in the police was in on it as they were definitely not prepared for what happened even though there were warnings. I know people think that the fact that more people weren’t killed is a sign of white privilege but I think it was more a sign of the police finally doing their job and minimizing loss of life. Many videos show them being attacked by the protesters and being badly outnumbered

The Rooster

1/7/2021 07:04:25 pm

Jake?

I'm embarrassed for you.

And that's coming from a Thelemite.

Give it some thought?

Pretty bad. Yeah, at least we had our shit together. This crazy shite these blokes like Jake spout reminds me of what comes out when I squeeze the sponge out prior to cleaning the cat bowls, and feeding them.

It's sad. That's why Jason: Cthulridge Farms Remembers.

At some point? White Folks? They gonna get sick of other White Folks making a single nth more difficult to live with all our American Brothers & Sisters.

I would not test that.

❤️

Doc rock

1/7/2021 08:07:14 pm

Noam Chomsky's comments back in 2017 about the slippery slope of politically motivated violence has proven to be prophetic. Sadly a lot of people on both sides of the aisle have been competing to outdumbass the other side. At this point it's hard to tell who is winning much of the time.

Brian

1/7/2021 08:38:58 pm

The Washington Post now reports that "In memos, Pentagon prohibited D.C. Guard from receiving ammunition or riot gear, interacting with protesters, sharing equipment with police or using surveillance assets without high-level approval." This is why Trump installed his latest batch of unqualified lackeys there. Everyone knew this was coming, and he wanted maximum chaos and destruction.

1/8/2021 09:42:19 am

.+1

Andy White

1/7/2021 09:04:30 pm

Cue the "but there's no connection between pseudo-archaeology and white supremacist Trump supporters" in 3 . . . 2 . . .

T. Franke link

1/8/2021 05:20:37 am

Strange people. Clearly condemned by Trump.

I know that President Trump condemned the Proud Boys for White Supremacist ideas (explicitly), what the media did not cover, and the same with White Supremacists in general, at least two times. But for QAnon I haven't seen such a distancing, but I have seen an interview where Trump rejected to distance himself from QAnon because the media always ask him to distance him, but never the other side. Means: He distances himself but he is tired of it, and the media even do not "remember" that he distanced himself, as we experience with other cases. Tired of the double standards. The double standards are obvious: Did Biden and Harris distance themselve from the siege of the White House? When the lights went off and president Trump had to be brought to the basement for his security? Imagine, not enough police had been there on this day. These thugs wouldn't have only burnt a historic church, what they did. But the media did not talk of an assault on democracy in these days. Double standards everywhere.

Anyway, there was no inciting of violence by Trump in his speech before the Capitol event. He just said at the end, let us go to the Capitol to support our representatives. This was not by surprise, this was the plan of the event, and police could plan accordingly.

But there was not enough police at the right place. This is the key question of the day: Why not? Who was responsible for this? Whether BLM or Trumpists, this is not the question. The question is: Where was the police?

1/8/2021 09:46:08 am

"Where was (sic) the police?"

Apparently some were supporting the same thugs and looters you and Trump both obviously support. Trump "loves" them. He said so. Apparently so do you.

1/8/2021 01:04:30 pm

@Nick Danger:

Just learned: Where were the police. Interesting use.

Trump loves his supporters who follow law and order. He said so. But Twitter thought it a good idea to ban this including his video where he urged to go home.

Now, did the thugs follow law and order? They did not. And did Trump condemn them again today? He did. And did the thugs listen to Trump? They did not, obviously.

I suggest to concentrate on the key question: Why were there no police where there should have been? Whether BLM or Trumpistas, such a demonstration flows over if the police does not guide it.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain

1/8/2021 11:20:36 am

Before the attack, Trump spoke to the crowd urging them to "peacefully" march on Congress to demand that they overturn the results of the Electoral College vote, which Congress has no right to do. The electors already voted on December 14, at which time Trump's legal challenges to the state election results (which determine each state's choice of electors) had all been rejected. The Congressional count on January 6 is a formality, and there is not the slightest question that the electors voted for Biden. Therefore, even if the crowd had peacefully marched to the capitol and somehow convinced Congress to change its mind, that would have been a coup (technically a self-coup, or autogolpe). Even when giving Trump the greatest possible benefit of the doubt, he was still trying to defy the Constitution to keep himself in power. He does not get a pass for what he unleashed while trying to do so.

1/8/2021 12:55:14 pm

Nope. The march to Congress was long announced as part of the whole demonstration. Even other demonstrations were officially announced by Trump supporting groups before the Capitol. The police was fully aware about the gathering there. And no urging nowhere.

Trump did not demand from his supporters on the street to overturn the election. Any proof of this? Of course not. Trump demanded his supporters to support the Republican senators and representatives by their gathering at the Capitol. Not in the Capitol.

Any demonstration of angry persons will "flow over" if the police is not guiding them. The same story with BLM and the siege of the White House (and the burning of a church there). No police, then chaos.

Trump did demand senators and representatives to question the election in Congress. This is legitimate and possible. Congress can overturn an election with majorities. This would not have been a coup, but fully constitutional. Congress gathers for this meeting for a reason, not just to say Yes without a choice. Details here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55550774

IMHO opinion you are spreading fake news about the US constitution and Trump. You do this unintentionally, of course.

1/8/2021 05:06:30 pm

He claimed repeatedly that the election was stolen and went on at length about how thousands of ballots were, he claimed, cast illegally, thus swinging the election to Biden. E.g., "According to eyewitness testimony, postal service workers in Wisconsin were also instructed to illegally backdate approximately 100,000 ballots. The margin of difference in Wisconsin was less than 20,000 votes. Each one of these things alone wins us the state."

And he also said: "We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

The meaning is clear. The electoral votes from the states he named in the speech (Georgia, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona) were illegitimate and should not be counted.

Read the transcript here: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-save-america-rally-transcript-january-6

1/8/2021 06:40:06 pm

Errr, yes? These votes should not be counted. Yes. Of course not, if they are based on voter fraud. This is a legitimate demand, if he thinks so. The US is a free country, and a democracy, isn't it? So he can put forward this demand. Of course he can.

At least some of the complaints of voter fraud Trump is putting forward are even reasonable (not all of them). I have not checked this one, but one thing is clear: These witnesses do exist, and in a democracy a politician has not to ask for the allowance of a Guardian Council (as in Iran), whether his ideas are complying with the world view of the Guardians.

And therefore Trump made a regular, announced demonstration with a clear plan of events known to the authorities. And even "peaceful" (!) he said. What a nasty incitement of violence! You cannot even imagine! OMG!

1/8/2021 07:36:35 pm

Challenges to the purportedly fraudulent votes had already been tried and failed in the courts, because they were not supported by evidence. The claims of massive fraud were lies. In Georgia, for example, the Republican secretary of state was forced to repeatedly debunk the claims that Georgia's vote had been stolen.

Therefore, the Electoral College met and voted on December 14. At that point, it was too late to attempt any further challenge; the Constitution puts the choice of the president in the hands of the electors. Congress' sole duty on January 6 was to count the electoral votes, whose results were not in dispute. Trump was trying to retain power in defiance of the Constitution.

1/8/2021 12:11:24 pm

*sighs* There you go again.

Fortune here does a good job explaining how President Trump incited this:
https://fortune.com/2021/01/07/trump-speech-capitol-attack-riots-pence-we-will-never-concede-maga-rally/
and also places it into the context of how such leaders do such things generally.

The Washington Post has some stuff too:
https://fortune.com/2021/01/07/trump-speech-capitol-attack-riots-pence-we-will-never-concede-maga-rally/

If you'd rather hear it from Trump himself, here are the remarks from before the insurgency:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X0KIYInLHc
you don't have to wait long for material that the crowd easily took as an incitement. And according to the comments he actually said stuff that was worse but it got cut from the video.

Did he condemn it all later? Well let's look at the first statement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcfcTB9-S2s
mostly more incitement, support, and "I love you all" along with a weak statement to "go home" and "we don't want anyone hurt" and "we have to have peace." This is not any kind of condemnation, let alone the "clear condemnation" you cite. The second statement is rather transparently tacked on after legitimate condemnation came too late.

As to Trump and Q-Anon, here is a partial listing and timeline of events.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/qanon-trump-timeline-conspiracy-theorists-1076279/

Against this you have "the media won't report..."

So, yeah. The funding is on your side, likely will be for all time. The facts, and reason, are not, though.

...plus this:

1/8/2021 05:32:50 pm

"Let's have trial by combat" Rudy Giulani

1/8/2021 07:28:12 pm

Thank you for the attempt to add substance to the discussion.

The piece of fortune.com is poor. They put together snippets of earlier events, of Trumps speech, and of the events unfolding at the Capitol because there were not enough police. This pastiche of snippets construes connections which do not exist in reality. And what is more: They cut out the word "peacefully" from Trump's speech: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." If you want to be credible with an argument that this speech was inciting violence then you cannot be silent about this, then you have to offer an argument why this word "peaceful" is not peaceful at all.

You confused the Washington Post link, but I think it is behind a paywall anyway, isn't it? I can offer another piece in replace, by a professor of philosophy:
https://cmalcolmkeating.medium.com/trumps-words-are-weapons-he-should-be-prosecuted-and-disarmed-fe2dd8f3c601

This is more sophisticated, but also wrong. He accepts the "peaceful", but puts forward a not-really citation “Congress is a thief of the people” -- this is exactly what Trump did not say. With this professor's argument you could put every demonstration leader to trial for all future. Just read Martin Luther King's speeches, who also talked of peace and being strong at the same time, errrr, yes he did. And yeah, even some of Martin Luther King's marches ended in violence, .... but he was not a bad man. (I apologize for comparing MLK to Trump, these are two dimensions, but before the law all are equal.)

Trump on Twitter concerning the Capitol riots: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

You are misled if you think that Trump is a kind of leader of the Capitol thugs who could direct them. He did not sent them there, and he had no command over them. The police is the right organization to deal with them.

Trump addressed mainly his real followers, some of which may have been gone into the Capitol, too, following the thugs, but as you can read he writes "at" the Capitol, not "in" the Capitol. And he expressed in this moment no complete condemnation. I assume for two reasons. His real followers are not the thugs, and he didn't do it in order to achieve something: Making them listen and follow. Because imagine this: Condemn them and urge them to listen at the same time. The complete condemnation came later, but it is real; the Tweet at least contains an implicit condemnation.

But alas, I am ready to accept that Trump did not act fully correctly after (!) the event was unfolding. This is a completely different discussion, rather about the clumsiness of Trump than about a coup. Trump is not my favourite president. But he did not state a coup, either.

The Q-Anon overview is interesting, though I do not trust it, I would have to check every single item. But I find the interview where he did not distance himself.

The question is: Which game is played here? I would like to have Trump make a clear statement against it, too. But he did not, but expressed what is OK with QAnon, thus indirectly expressing what is not OK in his eyes.

This is tactics to keep support. But not only. It is also a kind of answer to Biden and others who in turn did not distance themselves from certain groups. This is nasty, Jeb Bush is on a better track here, but it is only correctly interpreted in context. What is missing on the Q-Anon overview is the context. Only then you have a full picture of the inner relationships of nastiness in US politics.

Jeb Bush will hopefully end the dark era of US politics after the fall of the Biden administration. He is a good guy. Honest. No games. Trump is reflecting the games of the other side which he should not. But then, I have to admit that Trump is kind of an artist in doing this. The question is: How much nastiness is allowed for a politician who is confronted with other nasty politicians and media? What about Churchill who really was nasty in some ways? But he achieved something, and this Trump did too, without any doubt. Think only of the peace treaties with Israel.

By the way, did you know that a known BLM activist infiltrated the Capitol, too, with the Trumpists? I do not make any conclusions from this, just saying the very fact. He once stood at the White House siege and wanted to remove the legitimate president violently. And no newspaper wrote of an assault to democracy. Double standards!
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-trump-activist-entered-capitol-wednesday

1/8/2021 07:30:39 pm

"Trial by combat" is an unfortunate phrase, as anything might be if you strip away the context immediately proceeding where G specifies he's talking about the legal process.

It should be noted that Joe Biden has on multiple occasions threatened townhall etc. questioners with physical beatings (hah!) and challenged Trump to a pushup contest.

I know you feel helpless and like you can't cope but I assure you, you'll get through this and we will walk together into the sunshine of the Harris-Biden administration.

1/8/2021 07:35:24 pm

Giuliani: Could you please stop to take snippets out of context?

Giuliani said, that in the next ten days -- in the next ten days! -- it will be seen whether the voting machines were fraudulent, then comes "Let's have trial by combat", then he says that he is willing to put his reputation at risk for showing this.

Which combat is meant? The combat about the voting machines and to demonstrate that they are fraudulent, of course. It is an incitment of the atmosphere of the rally, yes, but it is not an incitement for violence. He is cheering up for the coming combat in the next ten days about the voting machines.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/rudy-giuliani-dc-trump-rally-b1783428.html

Jolene Jones

1/15/2021 07:00:02 am

Defunded, perhaps? I guess the “defund the police” demon-crats are singing a different tune now. 🤣

Reggie D

1/16/2021 01:37:43 pm

Nothing like spending an hour cowering under your desk to instill a new sense of respect for law and order and crowd control.

Jim

1/16/2021 06:13:19 pm

Perhaps they were inspecting the underside of their desks ? Like when Stumpy was inspecting his bunker and he brought along the wife and son.

Difference is, these people were threatened by a clear and present danger, Stumpy,,, not so much.

1/8/2021 07:35:22 pm

Posting here because it''s easy:

Jason, I doubt this will help with your James Dean book at this date, but as someone unaware of it I found it fascinating background:

http://www.laweekly.com/the-apparently-true-story-of-the-man-who-secured-gay-lovers-for-old-hollywood/

cverrastro link

1/10/2021 04:23:19 pm

This link, set in a cloud of political wrangling, struck me funny. I didn't even need to open it to know it was about Scotty. Yeah, Scotty, who I got to know several years ago. While researching a biographical book about a twice married but gay artist from the Art Deco period for Taschen Publishing I was introduced by a fellow researcher to two surviving friends for background information. One was a priest and the other was Bowers. The priest turned out to be a former lover and Scotty was their mutual friend. Scotty had a large client list of closeted Catholic priests), procuring both models and trade for the artist.
And note to Jason, he never told me much about Dean beyond his early tricking with a fellow up-and-coming actor. And yes, all the early denials about Bowers faking his role in Hollywood are baseless. He was himself a call boy but never really a pimp in the classic sense. He just introduced his friends to the Hollywood crowd and political power brokers to gain access to their circles for the ego boost. I know this because Scotty first showed me plenty of incriminating photos from parties and I ended up interviewing some of the men he set up with celebrities who all averred he never took money for the introductions or blackmailed anyone. The most money he made during those years, incredibly, was from pumping gas at the station.

1/10/2021 06:04:04 pm

Taschen rules!

Like working at Starbucks you never really lose that gasoline rough trade smell. He was a real life Kookie. Ed Byrnes later in life was very up front about how he used to pay the bills by giving blowjobs. I suspect many of our current late night TV hosts follow that model.

There's a South Park episode here.

Jason Colavito link

1/10/2021 06:15:21 pm

Everyone who makes that claim about James Dean being a prostitute runs into the problem of chronology. For Scotty Bowers to make that claim, it would presumably have to have been in Los Angeles, which limits the time frame to between August 1949 and July 1951. From August 1949 to May 1950, he was in Santa Monica, at college, living with his father and did not go into L.A. much. Summer 1950, he was a camp counselor and not in L.A. Fall 1950 he was living in a frat house, where being a gay prostitute seems rather unlikely. In January 1951, he said he was a virgin, which is an odd thing to lie about when trying to appear to be a tough guy and not gay. In late July he moved in with his first (known) male lover. That leaves the spring of 1951, when he was indeed seen trying to cruise a man in a car, though he had no cash that whole season, suggesting his hook-ups did not involve monetary exchange.

1/10/2021 08:14:57 pm

I didn't make that claim, and in fact didn't notice Dean's name in the article. Probably because Dean's name doesn't appear in the article. Cool your jets, Leroy.

But without making an assertion, I will demolish your arguments.

"Everyone who makes that claim about James Dean being a prostitute runs into the problem of chronology. For Scotty Bowers to make that claim, it would presumably have to have been in Los Angeles, which limits the time frame to between August 1949 and July 1951. From August 1949 to May 1950, he was in Santa Monica, at college"

Santa Monica is 16 miles from LA. Think about it.

" living with his father and did not go into L.A. much."

He was too busy reporting his movements to you across the time portal to go to LA?

"Summer 1950, he was a camp counselor and not in L.A. Fall 1950 he was living in a frat house, where being a gay prostitute seems rather unlikely."

Fraternities are not just a gay subculture they're a gay planet. I'm surprised you haven't looked at it.

In January 1951, he said he was a virgin,"

Which no one lies about.

"which is an odd thing to lie about when trying to appear to be a tough guy and not gay. In late July he moved in with his first (known) male lover. "

(known).

"That leaves the spring of 1951, when he was indeed seen trying to cruise a man in a car, though he had no cash that whole season, suggesting his hook-ups did not involve monetary exchange."

No one lies about money.

1/10/2021 10:47:18 pm

Of course, Kent, he could have been lying about everything, which is why what passes for the historical record is composed from paper trails, testimony from witnesses, etc. I don't have the space to go into it all here, but, yes, where he was most days is attested, from basketball team games and practices, theater rehearsals, various accounts from friends and classmates, etc. You can always argue that there is time not accounted for. The next year, going to Hollywood from UCLA (a shorter trip) was a big deal for him and his friends, according to their own accounts, so traveling from Santa Monica into L.A. would have been something mentioned, though you could of course argue it was all done in secret, with absences unnoticed by anyone around him.

The fraternity was notoriously homophobic. He got into a fight and expelled because they thought he was gay.

And, yes, I put "known" in parentheses both because some facts are not known and also because he told Elizabeth Taylor he had been sexually abused in adolescence, a claim some have doubted.

Now, granted, Santa Monica was L.A. county's gay cruising hot spot in 1951 (John Forbes Nash was cruising guys on the same streets at the same time), but that also mitigates against prostitution, since there was, to be blunt, so much available for free.

Occasionally, you should consider that I have actually gone through all of the relevant literature and evidence before drawing a conclusion.

1/11/2021 01:13:06 am

Let's all calm down shall we? I've gone to Europe and back without friends and family knowing, no paper trail. Hitchhiked hundreds of miles in a weekend, no paper trail. And you're quibbling about 16 miles. That's walking distance but we're talking about California in the fitties so a short drive.

Remember when Leroy Jethro Gibbs's character on Saint Elsewhere used to put his wallet and watch in the glove compartment and go down to The Combat Zone? No paper trail.

You seem to be arguing against something I never asserted: that Dean was a prostitute. You didn't get that from my lemon pie.

1/11/2021 08:09:24 am

Then what are you arguing about, Kent? The original post in this thread said Scotty Bowers had told the posted about Dean's prostitution. If you aren't discussing it, then what are you talking about?

Logically speaking, for Bowers's statements to be true, he would have had to meet Dean when he lived on Sunset Blvd. between August 1951 and late September 1951, though what transpired was not exactly prostitution in the classic sense.

1/11/2021 06:16:13 pm

"The original post in this thread said Scotty Bowers had told the posted about Dean's prostitution."

What the heck are you on about Jason? No one said ANYTHING about James Dean being a prostitute, including Scotty Bowers and me, I'm unclear on what "told the posted" means.

1/9/2021 10:22:40 am

I decide to make a stop here in answering further comments. It is not any more about ancient times and pseudoarchaeology, and enough is said to help everybody who is interested to develop his own ideas in all directions.

I suggest to develop more temperance in judgement. Don't let yourself be incited to exaggerated jugdements by the media spin. And don't let yourself be incited to unfairness, only because the other side appears to be unfair, too.

Trump was (and is) a symptom for a problem still not solved. A problem which is even not analyzed correctly until now. You don't need a politician to solve it, and no liberal chatterers. You need philosophers and religious leaders. Francis Fukuyama or Victor Davis Hanson may help, but no Biden and no Kamala Harris will heal this. And especially Big Tech will not heal this.

Wisdom from ancient times will help. Temperance e.g. is one of the four Cardinal Virtues, one of the great pieces of heritage from ancient times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperance_(virtue)

1/9/2021 04:27:14 pm

"I decide to make a stop here in answering further comments."

We understand your internet coded message and will be on the lookout for your next post.

What part of "Secret Military Psychic Space Warrior" seemed to you to be about "ancient times and pseudoarchaeology"?

1/9/2021 07:24:40 pm

I saw on the news this idiot was arrested today. Social media was given credit for identifying him. GOOD JOB!!! Mr. Colavito and all members of social media.

This obviously debunks his psychic claims. He should have seen this coming. 😁

IMHO, most of these people should be locked up in federal prison to meet the Aryan King they so desperately wish to have. Especially Hawley, Cruz , and whomever hit the officer in the head with a fire extinguisher. Let their new Aryan King trade them for cigarettes. Then transfer them to another federal prison where they can meet their new king. Seems like poetic justice to me.

1/10/2021 06:59:55 pm

At the risk of being further drawn into the political quagmire this blog is increasingly being drawn into (NOT my original intent of following it) I feel I should add a little side note. I don't believe his real name is Angeli. Many Italians and Germans may recognize it as one of the spellings (originally Agnelli) for a notorious family of brigands and mercenaries originally from the Tyrol region. The name comes from the Italian for "Little Angel" (as in the carol "Little Lamb from Bethlehem"). They hired out to the various German and Italian states, and were in particular reviled for stirring up trouble and then offering their services to one side or the other (or both). I know this first hand because in school in the early fifties in Buffalo, NY my nickname became 'Angel' (Long story: My Sicilian/Italian name is Cologero/Colangelo; my older brother had 'Rusty' hung on him by the non-Italian students and teachers who couldn't quite handle our last name). This sometimes got me in trouble when older Italians heard me referred to as Angel and assumed it was my last name. There was a notorious mobster then by that name known as a union strikebreaker in Buffalo (by way of NY) and I got some nervous stares until they learned my actual name.
I noticed he has a piece of lambskin as part of his weird ensemble and said in an interview something about "you can't pull the wool over the eyes of an Angeli".
Funny how some Trumpists are already claiming he must be an Antifa plant trying to plant a false flag ridiculing their 'cause'.

1/10/2021 07:33:38 pm

He has gone by that name for at least two years, but when he was arrested this weekend, law enforcement identified his birth name as Jacob Anthony Chansley.