Giants are “fun” until they’re not, and Christian gigantologist Gary Wayne’s recent appearance on Shake and Wake with Rick and Annie on April 25 (audio here) helped to crystallize just why the Evangelical obsession with the End Times and Giants serves as a kind of wedge topic to bring new believers into the fold. If you get them hooked on the “fun” stuff like giants, then it becomes easier to get them to buy in to a reactionary social agenda. I tuned into the podcast because it was supposed to be about giants, but instead it was a long rant about how Satan is using gay people to undermine faith in God, among other extreme right-wing views from the ignorant and bigoted fringe of the fringe.
This became quite clear a few minutes into the two-hour interview when Rick (no surname given), the host and a Christian extremist who believes Satan controls the U.S. government, announced that “When they passed the law about sodomite marriage, they knew this was one more abomination upon the United States so God will turn his protection away.” “Yes, correct, absolutely,” Wayne replied. “They know exactly what they are doing.” The two went on to describe secret societies, the government, and secularists as worshipers of Lucifer, and they accused Lucifer’s worshipers of raping and stabbing Christians on satanic altars, recording such killings for “snuff films,” and cannibalizing the corpses. (This seems to be partially a reference to the Alex Jones/David Icke Bohemian Grove conspiracy claim.) “That’s what happens,” Wayne said, though he expressed some doubt about the cannibal murders. Instead, he worries that Luciferian believers prefer “knowledge” to “faith” and therefore are evil.
Anyway, Wayne said that he wasn’t always a Christian extremist and he only returned to Christianity and became interested in End Times prophecy thanks to Hal Lindsey’s Late, Great Planet Earth. Somehow that turned into his belief that Luciferian secularists love Sodom and Gomorrah and are trying to turn America into a sodomite paradise in order stand in opposition to what he claims they see as the “evil” God of the Bible. (Apparently secularists are Cathar-style Gnostics who treat Yahweh as an evil archon.) Wayne argues that for 6,000 years (the length of history for young earth creationists) Luciferians have been working with the Nephilim and Fallen Angels to try to undermine Israel and the Messianic Bloodline to stop the birth of Jesus, and the pure human race after that.
Wayne’s arguments are practically reasonable compared to “Rick,” who blathered on about the Jade Helm military exercise as a Satanic conspiracy, but both men agree that the Luciferian Nephilim ran the Knights Templar, who are the most important force in world history. Wayne accuses the Sinclair family of protecting the Luciferian Templars by creating Freemasonry “to control politics and the military and the police.” He alleges that the Sinclair family also created the Rosicrucian organizations in order to invent religions and orders, including the Jesuits, whom he sees as a secret Luciferian strike force within the Catholic Church. The Sinclairs are also behind the Rothschild control of world banking and the Royal Society’s control of “all science.” Wayne dresses his conspiracies up in pretty language and sounds measured, but Rick will have none of it. He explicitly identifies the evil ones as “Satanic Jews.” Wayne doesn’t disagree, and indeed he concurs that all of the current presidential candidates are Satanists and members of the Luciferian “13 families” that control the world. Rick and Wayne accuse Catholics and Mormons of being “Satanic.”
I couldn’t listen to any more of it. Usually I can force my way through the most ignorant prattle, but the combination of ignorance and outright hate turned my stomach. Between the two of them they expressed disgust or hostility toward gays, Jews, Catholics, secularists, people named Sinclair, liberals, agnostics, atheists, Muslims, and pretty much anyone who isn’t a straight, white Christian (however they define that). (Rick said he was born Catholic, so he tends to just hate the clergy, not all Catholics.)
Wayne made other claims that I guess are worth noting. In one place, he calls academics “crazy” for suggesting that the Sumerian and Babylonian Flood myths predate those of the Hebrew Bible. Wayne says that Freemason lodges and Washington, D.C. are laid out according to Satanic principles and that Freemasons believe Enoch drafted the plans for the Egyptian pyramids. He said that CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is going to be used to open up a portal to a Nephilim dimension. Wayne alleges that Odysseus entered the Underworld between two pillars that are the same as the pillars of Freemasonry, but he seems to be conflating the nekyia in Book 11 of the Odyssey with Martin Nilsson’s argument that Heracles’ wounding of Hades at Pylos in the Iliad (at 5.392-404) was originally located at the pillars or gates (pyloi) of the Underworld in a lost original. He then conflates the pillars of the Temple of Solomon, which are those of Freemasonry, with the two pillars of brick and marble Enoch, Seth, or the Watchers left to preserve knowledge against the Flood.
Wayne agrees with Rick that the producers of The Simpsons have advanced knowledge of world events because the Luciferian secret societies provide them with information they can encode into episodes of the show, but Wayne refused to object when Rick discussed his belief that school shootings like Sandy Hook are fake. Wayne (a) agreed that Donald Trump is planning to dissolve the United States and (b) Barack Obama is planning to stage a coup to remain in office for a third term by ordering the Justice Department to indict Hillary Clinton.
Oh, yeah: Both men stop repeatedly to praise Jesus, operating under the delusion that God’s holy light shines down upon their hatred and fear-mongering and ignorance. “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven,” Jesus said in Matthew 18:3. They have down pat the petulance, irrational hatred, and ignorance of little children, so I guess their faith isn’t entirely unjustified.
Back at the beginning I noted that giants are used as a fun way to recruit new members to the fold, and Wayne makes that explicit when he concludes with his hope that his interview has sparked curiosity that will bring listeners back to Jesus, or at least those parts of Jesus devoted to condemning others for insufficient purity. After all, wasn’t Jesus all about being the first to throw stones?
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