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Christian Ufology and Demonic Aliens

8/22/2013

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I received a very detailed email this morning from a fellow who wanted to pass along a warning that the Knights Templar precursors who came to America before 800 CE had set into motion the End of Days, through which were are living now. I’ve edited the message for length and clarity:

There is a definite agenda that is directed by a power of darkness that has a direct and purposeful goal. It’s to keep us asleep [and] from realizing that we all are a "One Consciousness", but we just can't see it because they've kept us asleep! It's their goal that they claim is for our own good, that of the destruction [of] us... The NDAA [National Defense Authorization Act] has recently bought 2.5 billion rounds of ammunition and 2,700 tanks for the USA only. A 1 million camp capacity prison that’s empty now but recently built up for the calamity of the U.S... The Powers That Be—and they know who they are, i.e. Government—is propagating, anticipating, and preparing for the anarchy that's awaiting those who are sleeping... Basically, "The End" is truly at hand… Right after the one world currency kicks in it will be only a matter of a handful of years left in the Earth’s existence! So there is some strength of possibility that the precursors if the Knights Templar did arrive early around 800 AD in order to set up this last of days... (ellipses in original)

The numbers incorrectly attributed to the NDAA refer to Dept. of Homeland Security purchase orders (publicly disclosed) that were so badly mangled by the media and right-wing conspiracy theorists that even Breitbart.com debunked them. The writer also later wrote asking me to clarify that he does not necessarily believe all of these conspiracies but is exploring them as a path toward truth.

You will, of course, remember many of these claims from Jim Marrs’s weird ranting on the William Henry Revelations radio show last month, but this is the first time I’ve seen the conspiracy visited upon the Templar fakery from America Unearthed. (So far as I know Scott Wolter is unique in imagining the alleged Roman-Jewish colony of Calulus as a proto-Templar base.) I suppose this is an outgrowth of the writer’s claimed research into “the Bible, the Books of Enoch, the books of Adam and Eve with Satan, The sons of God,  the Illuminati, Freemasons, the Watchers, the Aeons, the Elohim, the Luciferians, the Anunnaki, the Mayans and their 20 count 2012 calendar, Planets X and Nibiru, etc.” These claims become an entire alternative history ecosystem, self-referencing and self-replicating.

The writer asked me to read the work of conspiracy theorists Alex Jones and David Icke, wherein one might find the truth about how the Devil was planning the End of Days through the offices of Barack Obama, though he felt that former president George W. Bush and former vice president Dick Cheney were actually the lizard people who put the program in place to be carried out by a duped Obama. This writer has apparently adopted the view popular among some Christians that UFOs and extraterrestrials are not from other worlds but are instead manifestations of demons. As Bob and Suzanne Hamrick, writers who feel that apocalyptic Christianity is too soft on Satan, wrote:

UFO's have been reported for many centuries. […] New Age types believe, because it feeds into their world view, that these are superior beings from other planets, another dimension, or whatever. Unfortunately, many Bible-believing Christians have been sucked into this belief system, perhaps due to unwillingness on the part of pastors or Christian authors to comment on these strange phenomena. […] No one who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit can possibly be demon-possessed, much less transported to a demonic space ship for sexual relations, invasive "medical" procedures, etc., as have been described by many abductees of both sexes. What does this mean? We find it remarkable that, of all of the reports of abductions by aliens, none seems to have been of anyone claiming to be a born-again Christian. If this is true, then it is the single greatest indication that "aliens" are actually demonic manifestations posing as extraterrestrial creatures. 

That’s a rather neat inversion of the ancient astronaut theory’s line about the aliens posing as gods. This led me to discover that there is an entire world of Christian UFO “experts” preaching that the ancient astronaut theory supports the Christian worldview because it provides compelling evidence that Satan’s fallen angels, in the guise of the Watchers from the extra-canonical Book of Enoch, were flitting about the world in the pre-Flood days and continue to fool humans today. It’s sort of the inverse of the UFO preachers of the 1950s and 1960s who tried to convince audiences that they could still believe in the Bible because God was an alien and therefore, in some sense, the Bible was literally true. More to the point, it is just another version of St. Augustine arguing that the pagan gods were “most impure demons, who desire to be thought gods” (City of God 7.33).

The Hebrew Bible and the New Testament speak nothing of a host of fallen angels except in Revelation 12:3-4, in which the Great Red Dragon uses his tail to sweep a third of the stars of heaven to earth and Revelation 12:9, in which the devil “and his angels” are thrown down to earth. To the author of Revelation, this event apparently had occurred fairly recently, though this obviously complicates the interpretation of Genesis and Job as featuring the same serpent-devil. In modern discussions, the actual actions of the alleged fallen angels are drawn mostly from the extra-canonical texts that expounded on Genesis 6:1-4. As a technical matter, the Bible does not identify demons as ex-angels, which is probably why the Christian UFO experts seem a bit confused about whether the pilots of UFOs are Enochian Watchers, infernal demons, or some combination of them.

But it’s not enough to simply identify the aliens as demons, or to see the demons as secretly promoting Satan’s End Times agenda. Recent writers have also tried to tie this in with reasons why one can only save one’s soul through the Protestant, specifically Evangelical, version of Christianity. Earlier this year, Cris Putnam and Thomas Horn published Exo-Vaticana, in which they claim that while Protestants correctly understand UFOs as demonic illusions from Satan, Catholics are prepared to disclose the existence of extraterrestrials and embrace them as fellow Christians and “space brothers,” forwarding Satan’s End Times agenda.

Given that the Vatican holds sway to over 1 billion followers as well as influencing an even greater number of peoples, governments, and policies world-wide, and puny obstacles to their revised Christianity will thus hardly keep most of the world’s “spiritual” people from wholeheartedly embracing the alien serpent-saviors on their arrival. (quoted here)

According to the authors, the traditional Protestant anti-Catholic arguments about the vile Vatican, its worship of false gods, and its corrupt popes in service of Satan are amplified by the realization that Satan is using UFOs to lead people away from Protestantism. The authors tell their audience that the Antichrist will be—wait for it—an “Alien Serpent Savior” whom the Catholics will take for the Second Coming: David Icke’s lizard people! But good evangelicals will know better! The authors urge evangelicals to “prepare” for a violent conflict against Catholics and aliens. Catholics, they say, may be willing to presume that extraterrestrials can qualify for Christian salvation, but evangelicals know that earth is the only true creation of God, and human evangelicals the only beings meant for heaven.

This is just Alexander Hislop’s Two Babylons (1853) warmed over, with the Satanic-Babylonian Nimrod allegedly worshiped by the Catholic hierarchy replaced with a Satanic-extraterrestrial Serpent Savior.

Imagine the intellectual fireworks at a debate where Giorgio Tsoukalos and Erich von Däniken defend the proposition that Biblical demons and extra-Biblical Watchers are extraterrestrials while Cris Putnam and Thomas Horn take the opposing view that supposed aliens are really demons. Surely it would be as revelatory as the old (and possibly apocryphal) concern for “whether a million of angels may not sit upon a needle’s point,” as Chillingworth so memorably phrased it in his Religion of Protestants (1637).

Of course, they’d probably just conclude that the needle’s point was another secret base for trans-dimensional extraterrestrial demons, too.

26 Comments
Gunn
8/22/2013 07:30:11 am

A needle's point is easily made manifest (ouch!), while most demonic activity is hidden from view, undetected by most. "Nothing Seen" cannot fit on a needle's point. Most demonic activity is spiritual and unseen unless and until made manifest.

Though much isn't said in the Bible about angels falling to Earth, much is described about them in the New Testament. We know where they came from, what their mission is, and what their end will be. Personally, I figure UFO activity to be demonic activity. What else could it be?

Templars is 800 AD? The Crusades lasted for about two hundred years, between roughly 1100-1300 AD. What prototypes? This is as bad as equating the Kensington Runestone (1362) with Vikings, who pillaged and raped between roughly 800-1100 AD.

Who said something earlier about Christian Vikings? Give us a break, will you. Vikings became Christians over time. There is no such creature as a Christian Viking, or a Viking Christian.

Which reminds me, I wonder who came up with the name "Viking Altar Rock" for the huge multi-stonehole rock near Sauk Centre, MN? (Altar, shelter, part of land claim?)

http://www.hallmarkemporium.com/discoveries/id4.html

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Mark Hudson
8/22/2013 09:52:43 am

I think that some just have difficulty in discribing exactly what they mean. Wether the Nights Templar, ufo's which I'll admit even for nmyself appears at least a little far fetched, but the overall point may be missing or misunderstood by those suggesting alternatives.
As a Christian there are countless examples of Christ casting out demons and evil spirits. The overall point by done may just simply suggest that there appears anyways to be a real darkness of evil ambition at work in the world and in the lives of us all.. How it it said, stated, or represented is often not getting to the point of suggestion.. That being there appears to be a vigorous attempt by destructive unseen and even seen powers at work in our world if today and through history..

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Shirley Pena
8/25/2013 09:54:20 am

Hi Mark,

Just stopping by to respectfully offer some assistance in your spelling:

1. The word is spelled DESCRIBING, not "discribing"
2. The word is spelled WHETHER, not "wether"
2. The word is spelled KNIGHTS Templar, not "Nights Templar"

Mark Hudson
8/22/2013 10:07:27 am

Gunn, what do you think about the Genesis 1:1 Gap Theory? To me as a very open non narrow minded Christian I think it is certainly plausible for a ruin reconstruction theory, it would explain a timeless era when Lucifer and his gang were cast out and also tie in with fossil remains.. It is not that far fetched of a theory, considering there will be a new earth for a 1,000 year period that will exists after this present worlds close, and it even states that Satan will be let loosed again for a little while. Like these and other statements in the Bible there is not a lot of detail. So one can Truely only theorize

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Gunn
8/23/2013 04:01:21 am

"...the gap theory, along with other accommodation theories, is an attempt to reconcile a great age for the earth, as presented by geologists, with the relatively young age as deduced from the Biblical record. Since many proponents of the gap theory would disclaim a belief in an evolutionary process of earth history, it is instructive to evaluate the “geologic ages” to determine if they can, indeed, be separated from the theory of evolution."

Hi Mark, was the Earth created with an appearance of age, like perhaps Adam as an adult, or did it slowly evolve?

To me, I guess it doesn't matter, as there is already so much we don't understand. Perhaps it is to confound the unworthy.

Morning-Star Rising link
8/28/2013 01:42:58 pm

Days of Noah/

http://www.morning-star.com/#last_days_days_of_noah

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jens
8/29/2013 09:02:30 pm

of course there where christian vikings. Harald bluetooth was a christian viking king. You do not know what you are talking about to the point where it is infuriating.

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JB
2/20/2018 01:42:50 am

The Wheel- Allah(God's) Calling Card...cuts out ALL guesswork

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Thane
8/22/2013 11:46:07 am

It might be good to point out that just because someone claims to be "Christian" doesn't necessarily mean they are Christian in the traditional sense. The loosey-goosey nature of "Evangelical" Protestants facilitate anyone being able to hang out their shingle claiming to be a "Pastor" and start a church. As long as the "pastor" throws around Jesus' name and biblical quotes, he is accepted to be a "Christian" even though he may have a very strange belief system and, one could argue, a tenuous grasp on reality.

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Gunn
8/23/2013 04:13:47 am

They are called "wolves in sheep's clothing."

Like the "pastor" who began teaching his flock about "spiritual connections," recommending a closer relationship between certain members. He caused multiple marriage breakups because he thought he and others could take fire (passions) to their breasts without getting burned. An excuse, really, for personal infidelity.

These are tares in the wheat...not Taras, tares.

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spookyparadigm
8/22/2013 11:53:48 am

This undercurrent has been there for a long time, and is only now becoming explicit. I tie it back into Lovecraft here

http://spookyparadigm.blogspot.com/2011/06/demons-great-old-ones-and-unified-field.html

And as I note in that post, one of my best/weirdest experiences with ufology was at the 2002 Roswell UFO festival. Representatives from the Raelians were scheduled to speak at the big UFO museum, but ultimately this fell through (when you are too weird for the UFO museum ...). They were taken in by a storefront church across the street, named

Alien Resistance HQ

http://www.alienresistance.org/

My understanding is that they eventually closed their doors. But to sum up the story as I understand it, the man who would become head of the church was having alien abduction-esque experiences which he ultimately recognized as demonic attacks (the idea that the Lord's Prayer, or praying to Jesus, can stop alien abductions, has been knocking around abductionology for a long time). He eventually founded his ministry to fight these demonic forces, and went to the most UFO-friendly place on earth (especially in the late 1990s), Roswell, NM. He set up shop directly across the street from the big UFO museum.

So in 2002, when the Raelians (who claim they are scientific atheists, at least according to the missionary I listened to) needed a place to give their talk, Alien Resistance HQ allowed them to do so. So I listened to a religious group that follows an alien-human hybrid prophet, inside a storefront evangelical church dedicated to fighting demonic aliens. And here's the pic to prove it

http://spookyparadigm.blogspot.com/2007/07/evolution-of-crashed-saucer-legend-part_07.html

If my research luck wasn't good enough, that same trip I randomly had Stanton Friedman (the man most responsible for the Roswell phenomenon) sit down next to me at an Applebee's bar in Albuquerque, where we were both staying to catch a flight the next day. Had a very friendly conversation with him, and I got a lot more insight into the guy than I ever could from his writing, talks, or tv appearances.

So yeah, I was actually there when these worlds collided, and it apparently wasn't awkward at all.

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The Other J.
8/22/2013 09:56:58 pm

That must have been fascinating. Whenever I find myself in a group of people that I'm really unfamiliar with, I find a little voice in my head approaching the whole thing like naturalist. It's usually David Attenborogh's voice. Which is fun for me, but must create a little distance between me and the people I'm observing (but should probably be interacting with).

Was that what it was like? Were you a stranger in a strange land there, or were you accepted by the natives?

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8/23/2013 06:05:44 am

I didn't have a tremendous amount of interaction. In part this was due to my concerns about IRB (institutional review board). The primary motivation for the trip was to get information for a folklore-style article on crashed saucer legends (the page I linked to is one of six or seven parts of a web article about this, I may someday work it up more, we'll see). I was a grad student in anthropology back then, and I was concerned about IRB, which governs human subjects research. My research was primarily archaeological (this stuff was something more of a hobby), so I was going off second-hand reports of dealing with our school's IRB that were brutal, mis-applying (so it seemed to the researchers) standards made for more the medical school than for simple interviews and interaction. So while I certainly wasn't going to avoid interaction, I also wasn't there to talk people up and do interviews and such in any formal manner. I have rarely talked about meeting Friedman, and have not used any of our discussion (you'll see none of it in those pages for example), in that work because I didn't want to confuse conversation with formal ethnographic work.

Beyond that, the experience itself wasn't that exciting or intriguing. It was very hot there (southern New Mexico, July 4 weekend), so a lot of people were exhausted and enjoying the air conditioning in the room, or the ability to buy cold drinks. If I had to guess, a lot of the crowd there was not very aware of the nature of the church they were in (I had researched Alien Resistance HQ online some time before visiting Roswell), and a lot of them weren't really certain what the Raelians were. Once they were in there, it wasn't easy to leave as you might be able to see from the picture. The Raelian rep played a video, and then did a bit of live presentation before taking questions. The questions were polite, and some were at least somewhat interested in the material implications of their cosmology (who created the aliens, for example).

The most cantankerous interaction I saw was when Jim Moseley spoke at the UFO museum. The crowd did not like him. Moseley clearly had a bit to drink, and this bothered some of the crowd. But it was mostly that he came across as raining on their parade by not mincing words about some of the more famous "recent" cases such as Gulf Breeze (Moseley was a UFO believer, but his book amusingly presenting all the nuts and kooks in ufology doesn't make it look good. Just look at who published it). I thought Moseley was funny, lots of dark dry humor, and was one of the few to laugh at his jokes or humorous comments. The contrast with Stanton Friedman was profound, he was the big star that people wanted to see, the room was packed. He gave the exact same talk he always gives, and the room ate it up.

I will say this about Friedman. Probably the most important take-away from meeting him, is that he is not a con-man or huckster. Prior to meeting him, I have to admit that I had serious questions about whether he was being honest. His presentation on TV just seemed so fake to me. Seeing him speak did not help matters. But once I met him, it became clear that this feeling was a result of his having given the same talk so many times, it becoming so automatic, the lack of spontaneity made it seem (to me) like a pitch. I've since taught a fair amount, and have recognized that a too practiced address can feel inauthentic. Once we got talking, he asked me questions that made it clear he is indeed a seeker, has real questions, etc.. I don't think he's right about Roswell, but I don't think he's lying about it either. There are some paranormal/CT authors (some of the more prolific ones) who I do think have no real respect for reality when it comes to what they write, but I wouldn't put Friedman in that category (if anything, he's one of the more consistent authors in ufology, telling the same basic story of Roswell/MJ12, rather than elaborating on it or adding new elements to a growing mythos).

The Other J.
8/23/2013 07:47:03 pm

Thanks for the run-down. I'd love to witness that sort of thing, but I'm not sure I'd actually want to be in the room. My wife tells me I have a terrible poker face.

But I can totally understand the "too practiced/inauthentic" thing, too. After the third year of the same lecture, some great lines I've used in the past started to sound hollow and like they were coming out of someone else's mouth. At least you got a good vibe off him. I've heard some extended interviews with Friedman, and he always came off as avuncular and genuinely interested in a scientific answer to whatever ufology was or is.

Alan deWalton
2/9/2020 01:49:51 am

The serpent's Lair is being EXPOSED...
www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/DulceMatrix.html

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nick
8/22/2013 12:17:55 pm

send this to your buddy chris white and watch him start going into convulsions and speaking tongues

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Graham
8/22/2013 12:42:26 pm

I read an account of the 1982 Creationism trials, written by a theologian who testified against the Creationists and from memory at least one of the people testifying for the Creationists believed that UFOs were either Demons or flown by them and that the craters on the Moon were created when Lucifer fell from Heaven, so the idea is older than either Marr or your correspondent.

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Jason Colavito link
8/22/2013 12:56:20 pm

The idea certainly goes back to at least the 1960s, but this was the first I learned that there was actually a Christian UFO conference and a network of Christian "ufologists." When I referred to an original event in the above post, it was the application of Scott Wolter's "proto-Templars" to the demon UFO idea.

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The Other J.
8/22/2013 09:49:44 pm

Your emailer sounds like he's either familiar with, walks in the same circles as the people in, or is a character from Nick Redfern's book "Final Events." I'm not as familiar with the book as I could be (my dad loves that stuff). But it covers government officials who held similar opinions as your emailer, and for decades received actual government funding to explore the possibility that alien threats were really demonic. (Your tax dollars at work.) These officials were known as the Collins Elite.

(Google "Collins Elite," by the way, and the first hit turns out to be Michael Heiser's review of Redfern's book.)

Like I said, I'm not too familiar with the book, but if I recall correctly, those officials were engaging in that research as far back as 40 or 45 years ago. Which is to say the alien/demon hypothesis arose not long after the UFO fear began.

What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to believe.

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spookyparadigm
8/23/2013 06:24:27 am

I was severely disappointed in the book. I had heard some of the detailed radio/podcast interviews Redfern did on the topic, and while I didn't exactly believe them (certainly not what the CE supposedly believed, and I wasn't entirely convinced of the existence of the CE, but I could believe it), it was very exciting. I was familiar with the Parsons history to some degree, and had heard the idea of his opening a UFO door I think as far back as Jim Brandon's "Weird America" (Brandon may have just said he may have summoned a demon, I don't have the book in front of me).

But once I read the book, there seemed to be no real evidence of the most interesting aspects, namely the existence of the CE, nor the super-intriguing "these agents investigated Parsons and found a world of occult UFOs" angle. Furthermore, this angle, without supporting material, seemed to make a lot more sense from a post-1970s paranormal worldview, than one by FBI and other government officials in the 1950s. While I could be wrong, it felt very out of place to immediately start squaring together Crowley and Lam and UFOs and such.

There are some documents reproduced in the book, and maybe they are more supportive of some of these claims than I remember. But I came away from it thinking (and this is just my opinion, not any statement of fact) that I was reading a Lovecraftian nightmare* occult novel that also appealed to a 2000s audience concerned with an increasingly politicized evangelical Christianity in the US.

*the plot is something of a reverse Lovecraft by having demons masquerade as aliens. Except that Redfern repeatedly makes it clear he doesn't subscribe to this idea, and when taken with his other works, this turns it all into a double-agent Lovecraft story, that the CE are wrong by shoehorning Keelian ultraterrestrials into a Christian demonic framework, and worse they intend to establish a tyrannical government based on that error. Not only do Old Ones want to eat your soul, but they've tricked a bunch of yahoos into enslaving you first.

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Paul Cargile
8/23/2013 12:12:01 am

Catholics and Aliens . . . when is that movie coming out?

Didn't the prophesied End Times occur during the Roman-Jewish War?

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Gunn
8/23/2013 03:49:48 am

The End Times are times of ending. If I am having a severe heart attack, I am facing my very own End of Days.

But of course there is no such thing as an End Time in a place where Time shall be no more. Spiritual life will continue, but with no clocks.

As Eternity brought us forth, eternity will be the final chapter for some...those not destroyed.

Now, we see stages, we see history. Prophecy tells us that the Thousand Year's of peace and tranquility are not far away, which means that a first great upheaval is not far away, too. People will look up at the sky and their hearts will fail them. What will they see?

What are humans being prepared for, and by whom? Who is our Friend, and who is our enemy. Who wants us to succeed, and who wants us to fail?

A former King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, took pride in God's own work and went crazy for a while. As Nebuchadnezzar was restored to his throne, his honor was returned and his praise of God continued: "And those who walk in pride He is able to humble."

Apparently, Satan never learned his own lesson over pride, and he never will. What are he and his followers doing in the meantime? Is there evil on Earth? You better hum....

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Blue Django link
8/24/2013 10:44:52 am

As always, something excellent to sink my teeth in tomorrow morning. Thank-you.

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Loretta
12/28/2013 06:12:54 pm

The truth is that there have been strange phenomena witnessed by mankind throughout his existence: ghosts, false gods, demons and now space aliens. If you only ascribe to the existence of one, then you must have an explanation of all the others. They do however, have one source; Satan and all the fallen angels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReYe-MsVl8s

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MORNING-STAR RISING link
12/29/2013 02:32:09 pm

http://www.morning-star.com/prayer-request/ufology-links.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/tmosley001?feature=mhee

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Alan deWalton link
6/7/2019 12:00:51 am

Earth is the CRADLE of civilization, but does one REMAIN in the CRADLE forever? ... <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers1.html">http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/posers1.html</a>

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