Last week, I wrote about the recent appearance of Brian Muraresku on Joe Rogan’s podcast to discuss the use of psychedelic drugs in ancient times, particularly in the mixed drink known as kykeon served to initiates during the Eleusinian Mysteries in ancient Greece. Part of their conversation revolved around the 1978 book The Road to Eleusis, whose coauthor, Carl Ruck, consulted with and advised Muraresku in his own work. This past week, I heard from Ruck, who argued that my commentary was incorrect and has asked me to retract my blog post due to the “dismay and distress” it has caused his associates. He copied the email to Muraresku. The core of the disagreement boils down to the issue of the textual evidence for whether Alcibiades was or was not prosecuted for drinking kykeon without a license, so to speak. You can read the background in my previous blog post. Ruck made two primary points, which I will go over. The first is that he believes me wrong to connect the many types of kykeon referenced in Greek literature, from the peasant drink to the sacred drink. This is a fair point. In truth, we don’t know the composition of the various mixtures that went by that name. Kykeon refers only to “stirred” or “mixed” drinks, and many concoctions passed under that name. However, the composition of the Eleusinian kykeon is not clearly established. Scholarly opinion varies greatly. Each element of Ruck’s 1978 argument has been disputed, and I am not in a position to sit as judge. Many agree with Ruck that the Eluesinian kykeon was a psychoactive sacred potion, but many others doubt this and prefer to see it as similar to the peasant drink, on the theory that it represents the simple fruits of the Earth associated with Demeter and Persephone, the goddesses of Eleusis. No definitive evidence exists to settle the issue, only suggestive texts. Either way, Ruck’s own evidence draws from a long tradition that the Greeks mixed their drinks—wine, milk, honey, etc.—with drugs, meaning that the Eleusinian kykeon was not necessarily unique in terms of its intoxicating power.
The other element of the dispute involves the question of why Alcibiades was placed on trial. Muraresku had said it was because he drank kykeon outside of Eleusis, and I quoted Plutarch to the effect that it was because he put on a drunken parody of the Eleusinian Mysteries. Ruck wishes me to clarify that Alcibiades’ imitation of the Mysteries was not intended as a parody, taking issue with the Loeb translation of Plutarch. Where the Loeb edition says Alcibiades was accused of “mutilating other sacred images, and of making a parody of the mysteries of Eleusis in a drunken revel” he would prefer us to read “castration of other statues and of imitating the Mysteries in drunkenness.” Here, he asks us to read “imitating” as performing the act of the Mysteries unsanctioned. The key word is “ἀπομίμησις,” or “imitation,” which the Loeb translator took to imply parody, at least from the perspective of Alcibiades’ accusers. (His intention would, essentially, be irrelevant since the accusation is the important part.) Greek isn’t my best language, and I confess that I did not research the etymology and philology of ἀπομίμησις in scanning the Loeb text, which is usually quite literal. He notes that the earlier text On the Mysteries of Andocides gives a similar account in which the event is portrayed as an unsanctioned enactment of the Mysteries: “your commander, Alcibiades, has been holding celebrations of the Mysteries in a private house” (1.11, trans. K. J. Maidmen). In 1.29, we hear explicitly that the crime was “profanation” of the Mysteries and committing “offense” against the Two Goddesses. However, in stressing this point, Ruck actually makes mine, which is that the crime wasn’t drinking kykeon per se but profaning the sacred Mysteries. Since kykeon isn’t mentioned—except by implication, in the claim that his drinking party involved drunkenness—the degree to which you think the presence of a specific drink was definitive rests on your assumptions about how essential it was to the Mysteries. So, as best I can tell, the issue was never drinking kykeon but rather the profanation of the Mysteries. I leave it for you to decide how much weight to give each argument.
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Nerd11135
10/6/2020 08:39:52 am
What should disturb and distress any academic is being associated with Hancock.
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Kriss
12/13/2020 05:46:14 am
Nobody belived Copernicus either. Sometimes all you need to do is let go of beliefs and open up or mind to evidence to get a clearer view of the world.
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Carl A. P. Ruck is wrong
10/6/2020 08:54:49 am
What does Ruck know - there are no magic mushrooms in the Bible. Full stop. I have read Ruck's books and seen his CD and they are all wrong. Laughably wrong.
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Ken
10/6/2020 09:21:20 am
Other than "Ruck" who feels dissed, I really have to ask -"who gives a shit"
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Nerd11135
10/6/2020 11:20:16 am
*raises hand* I do. Not enough to study it myself or to read extensively but I give at least a little bit of a shit.
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Hospital steward obvious
10/6/2020 01:11:00 pm
You do since you took the time to read and comment and will now continue to argue the issue.
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Not Kent
10/6/2020 02:07:34 pm
"Who gives a shit"?
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Jim
10/6/2020 09:36:26 am
“dismay and distress”
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Brian
10/6/2020 01:02:51 pm
The ancient tradition regarding Alkibiades was certainly that he "mocked" the mysteries (and knocking the phalli off the hermae, if he did it, didn't help his case either). Because the mysteries were communal rites, part of a huge communal undertaking, profaning them by "performing" them in a private home seems fairly unlikely. Remembering the back-biting nature of Athenian politics in the 5th century BCE, the political hay made against the golden boy Alkibiades, and Alkibiades' pragmatic but treasonous flip-flopping, I'd say that you've made a good argument, Jason.
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Darold knowles
10/6/2020 01:12:06 pm
There’s a certain regular commenter who discovered Google Translate and who now fancies himself as fluent in over 1,000 languages — perhaps he can provide his “expert” opinion regarding the meaning of “ἀπομίμησις.”
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FLORIENT
10/6/2020 06:36:36 pm
It's a nonexistent word because the Japanese word for firefly is not accepted as a real word in Scrabble.
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E.P. Grondine
10/6/2020 06:47:51 pm
Hi Jason -
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Yes, overlooking this fact
10/6/2020 10:31:55 pm
Unlike the Europeans, who hid their use of drug-taking to communicate with the deities, the Native Americans were open about it all. It was nothing secret to Native Americans like it was to Europeans. Cortez found that out in South America.
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E.P. Grondine
10/7/2020 01:05:08 pm
I'm sorry, overlooking this fact, you are making broad statements about ancient Europeans in both space and time.Those statements are not backed by the data.
Yes, overlooking this fact
10/8/2020 10:14:04 am
R. G. Wasson was wrong
Comets, Comets, Comets
10/8/2020 10:37:34 am
Are you a literalist, E.P.?
Quoting R. G. Wasson
10/8/2020 10:24:26 am
If our classical scholars were given the opportunity to attend the rite at Eleusis, to talk with the priestess, what would they not exchange for that chance? They would approach the precincts, enter the hallowed chamber, with the reverence born of the texts venerated by scholars for millennia. How propitious would their frame of mind be, if they were invited to partake of the potion! Well, those rites take place now, unbeknownst to the classical scholars, in scattered dwellings, humble, thatched, without windows, far from the beaten track, high in the mountains of Mexico, in the stillness of the night, broken only by the distant barking of a dog or the braying of an ass. Or, since we are in the rainy season, perhaps the Mystery is accompanied by torrential rains and punctuated by terrifying thunderbolts. Then, indeed, as you lie there bemushroomed, listening to the music and seeing the visions, you know a soul shattering experience, recalling as you do the belief of some primitive peoples that mushrooms, the sacred mushrooms, are divinely engendered by Jupiter Fulminans, the God of the Lightning-bolt, in the Soft Mother Earth.
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Anthony G.
10/8/2020 10:50:05 am
You are right. The drink is irrelevant. The true crime was publicly revealing celestial knowledge. The drug just provided a buzz to keep people coming back. Back then as today, people get hung up on, and protective of titles. A conference of disrespected phds can quickly turn into every proctologist's dream. A room full of...
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tom mellett
10/8/2020 06:29:53 pm
Well, Jason, I must thank you for giving me a golden (fleece?) opportunity to dust off my 40-year old ancient BA degree in Classics from the University of Texas at Austin. I specialized more in Greek than Latin, so let’s take on the etymology and philology of ἀπομίμησις.
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tom mellett
10/9/2020 07:54:10 am
I see my Marx Bros. mimesis reference was truncated.
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Tom Mellett, congratulations to this remarkable attempt to reconstruct the meaning of apomimesis. Maybe you hit the nail on its head.
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Jim Davis
10/9/2020 11:39:28 am
"...but surely the ἀπο- prefix must add something to the root meaning."
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E.P. Grondine
10/9/2020 12:38:52 pm
Thanks you for this analysis.
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Seems reasonable. This is a very special question and without diving into it, it is really problematic to make any stable statement about it.
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PS:
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Bezalel
10/9/2020 08:46:32 am
Jason is on the right track
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The Bottom Line
10/9/2020 03:56:22 pm
Let's not forget the psychedelics folks
Tom A. Hawk
10/11/2020 06:14:06 am
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Kent
10/11/2020 06:11:50 pm
Uh, yeah, no. Anyone who's been initiated into a college fraternity is an idiot. The HBF Omega Psi Phi (?) is a particularly egregious example, branding their members on the left shoulder. The idiots who die due to alcohol poisoning really get a close-up look at "the Mysteries".
Bezalel
10/12/2020 12:21:47 am
"At midnight I beheld the sun..." 10/11/2020 09:43:05 am
Jason is gaining a well deserved following of seekers of truth!
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10/11/2020 03:24:10 pm
Gawd, this thread brought back bad flashbacks from my Classical Greek classes. My instructor was heavy into the Alexandrian grammarians and I just kept thinking- "Geez, even they aren't sure how to read half of the Classical authors. It reminded me of the Talmudic torture of Biblical texts.
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Kent
10/11/2020 07:45:39 pm
Ignoring your story for the moment (that's code for forever) the Talmud/s is/are the original Satanic Verses/Versus.
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The Alexandrian Grammarians? "From the beginning, a typical custom, and methodological bias of this tradition was to focus their commentary and analysis on de-contextualized sentences."
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Kent
10/18/2020 10:08:11 pm
Brian Muraresku occupies the first half of coasttocoastam Sunday October 18 2020.
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Kent
11/22/2020 11:48:51 am
In the interview, at minute 34 B.M. states that microphones are "Greek technology". That said he appears to have a good command of Sanskrit.
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