Regular readers will remember Jeffrey J. Kripal, a professor of philosophy and religious thought at Rice University, because a few years ago he declared that a Renaissance painting depicted a genuine flying saucer, and more recently, because he held a UFO symposium. In a recent interview, Kripal has made a surprising new claim that finds further parallels with the pseudo-religious ramblings of latter-season Ancient Aliens. Kripal says that he believes the human imagination does not necessarily generate its own ideas but instead may be a conduit for receiving supernatural messages from the outside. This is surprisingly similar to the claim made on Ancient Aliens that geniuses do not have original insights but instead have their thoughts beamed into their heads by superior space aliens. Kripal has also embraced Communion author Whitley Strieber, with whom he wrote a book on the supernatural, and has taken to describing the alien abductee as a “prophet,” though he does not believe that Strieber’s abduction occurred in the physical world. I don’t know what’s going on with Kripal, but his ever-closer orbit to the Ancient Aliens school of quasi-spiritual speculation will only continue to give aid and succor to ancient astronaut theorists as they continue their quest to speculate their way to fame and fortune. But what bothers me is this drifting toward a weird spirituality. It’s been a long time in coming, born of the failure of UFOs and space aliens to produce any tangible evidence of their reality. The recent versions, though, of paranormal spirituality are a far cry from the spiritual flying saucers of the 1950s, which imagined angels and demons riding in silvery discs. Now, the spirituality seems to orbit around New Age / Gnostic ideas of consciousness and false reality. You will remember that Graham Hancock has taken consciousness as a major theme of his latter-day work and claims that hallucinogenic drugs provide a path toward communicating with cosmic entities. In this view, our minds become receivers for transmissions from other dimensions, much as Kripal imagines that imagination taps into supernatural forces. Similarly, Ancient Aliens continuously emphasizes Theosophy’s Akashic Record, the imaginary library of all wisdom in the sky that psychics can visit mentally to access hidden truths. And of course we can’t forget the UFO-poltergeist hypothesis pursued by Hal Puthoff, Robert Bigelow, and others, which imagines flying saucers to be manifestations of ghostly energy from other dimensions, seeping into ours through wormholes. At the most ridiculous end of the spectrum, geologist Robert Schoch is also spiritualizing his claims and embracing a quasi-religious exploration of consciousness. Schoch is most famous for his radical re-dating of the Sphinx to thousands of years before dynastic Egypt, and last year when his colleague John Anthony West’s died, Schoch expressed his growing belief that the material world exists within a larger supernatural context, albeit one where the supernatural is some sort of unexplained inherent property of hydrogen: However, what if our Sun and the stars are indeed conscious? What if, when we die our consciousness has the potential to literally become a star, or unite with the already existing consciousness of our Sun or perhaps some other star? This is something that Katie (my wife, she knew JAW well) has been developing, and JAW was certainly intrigued by her ideas. Stars are comprised largely of hydrogen, and it has been demonstrated that hydrogen can encode information. Are we on the brink of beginning to understand, in modern terms, the core of the sacred science? Is the essence of ourselves carried (perhaps via hydrogen or its components) to the heavens? The claim apparently was first made in Schoch’s 2012 book Forgotten Civilization, though I have not read it and am not familiar with it.
I will go out on a limb and suggest that if we were to actually have a supernatural essence, it cannot be essentialized and physicalized as hydrogen. (If it could, imagine how many gods died when the Hindenburg exploded!) But I am fascinated by the idea that Schoch wants to take the mysticism of Wests, inherited from Schwaller de Lubicz, and turn it into something material. Individually, all of these claims—and the related efforts of more mainstream figures, like Avi Loeb’s claims that accepting ancient astronauts can improve human morality—are so much noise. But taken together, they form a pattern and suggest that the underlying motive behind the exploration of ufology, fringe history, and the like isn’t scientific but rather religious, seeking a substitute for traditional faith in a postmodern age. We’ve been down this path many times in our discussions here, but the more examples are added to the list, the clearer the motivations become.
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Machala
2/8/2019 09:05:02 am
Between God, Guardian Angels, and Extraterrestials Entities, I can't figure out who to listen to, so I just go with majority opinion.
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Ken
2/8/2019 09:10:05 am
Someone needs to ask these geniuses (as I am sure they consider themselves) if they received their vast knowledge and insight from aliens or from the Akashic Record - or are they the lone exceptions who are capable of figuring it all out on their own?
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bkd69
2/8/2019 09:11:31 am
The Law of Conservation of Woo:
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Fringe indeed
2/8/2019 10:07:51 am
"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
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William Fitzgerald
2/8/2019 10:11:38 am
There is nothing new under the sun. Maybe depends on which sun, and how much hydrogen it has left. All systems contain information including atoms down to fundamental particles. There are ways to encode information on some of these systems.
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David Evans
2/8/2019 11:09:27 am
It could well be that quantum phenomena are involved in the functioning of our neurons and therefore in our consciousness. But you need the neurons to provide structure. There's no reason to think that an undifferentiated mass of hydrogen would ever develop consciousness.
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Aaa
2/8/2019 11:30:52 am
Neurons and consciousness are not the same thing. Brain is just a transducer of consciousness and consciousness survives the death of the body.
V
2/8/2019 01:52:29 pm
"consciousness survives the death of the body. "
Aaa
2/8/2019 02:12:54 pm
If you want science then as a starter I recommend you familiarize yourself with the work of Ian Pretyman Stevenson.
V
2/8/2019 01:58:51 pm
Einstein's theory states that MATTER cannot travel faster than light. DATA is a different story. If you are transmitting via radio, of course it's not going to go faster than the speed of light, since radio is part of the electromagnetic spectrum that is limited to the speed of light. However, we have evidence of faster-than-light particles that have little to no mass, which don't violate anything BECAUSE of that lack of mass, just as an example. If data is "transmitted" via, say, quantuum entanglement, it's not traveling via EM spectrum, and it may not even be TRAVELING at all, since quantuum entanglement allows particles to "overlap" and be one single particle in two places at once. The data is then not actually MOVING more than the shortest distance, and appears to be "instantaneous" over "long distances" without it actually being true.
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Anechoic Cool "Disco" Dan
2/8/2019 02:37:28 pm
"However, we have evidence of faster-than-light particles that have little to no mass"
William Fitzgerald
2/8/2019 10:37:57 pm
Information is simply a record of an outcome or the resolution of uncertainty. The record must be stored in matter or energy. If transmitted it must obey the laws of physics, including relatively and thermodynamics. Since the following applies:
Joe Scales
2/8/2019 10:15:44 am
"But taken together, they form a pattern and suggest that the underlying motive behind the exploration of ufology, fringe history, and the like isn’t scientific but rather religious, seeking a substitute for traditional faith in a postmodern age. We’ve been down this path many times in our discussions here, but the more examples are added to the list, the clearer the motivations become."
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RIGHTS OF MAN
2/8/2019 11:01:17 am
The major reason behind the American and French Revolutions was to introduce freedom of beliefs and that belief should not be about the Bible and nothing else.
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Joe Scales
2/8/2019 11:21:34 am
Sorry. Such wars were about control of resources.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/8/2019 11:45:41 am
There is a new breed of right wing religious American historian today --- rejecting the consensus view that the United States Constitution calls for separation of church and state.
Joe Scales
2/8/2019 01:03:27 pm
Well, go argue with them then; and leave me out of it.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/8/2019 01:18:43 pm
I will argue against those right wingers who try to re-write American history, no sweat.
Uncle Ron
2/8/2019 01:30:27 pm
R-O-M It's easy to reject that view since the US Constitution does not call for the separation of Church and State. It only says that the government not make any law regarding the establishment of a religion. The "separation" quote is form a letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/8/2019 01:54:01 pm
It's the same difference.
V
2/8/2019 02:09:18 pm
Uncle Ron, the problem with that argument is that it ignores that the quote is from a letter that INFORMED the creation of the US Constitution, and that it was a widely-accepted concept well before that time, even if it was less well-APPLIED. Furthermore, the SCOTUS has repeatedly upheld this interpretation of the Constitution, so it's a bit thin ice to reject that interpretation regardless of how you look at it--unless, of course, you are one of those people who desperately wants to foist their religion off on everyone else around them and therefore insist on a ridiculously narrow view that says that if those specific words are not in the document, the concept does not exist...despite the fact that there is more than one place in the Constitution that deal in details critical to separation of church and state, including the First Amendment and Article 6.
Joe Scales
2/8/2019 02:44:09 pm
"A big difference from claiming the Founding Fathers endorsed Christianity because they believed in freedom of belief."
Antisecular Cool "Disco" Dan
2/8/2019 02:52:54 pm
The Constitution doesn't say "the government" it says "Congress shall make no law" and several states, e.g. Massachusetts until 1833 and Maryland until 1867, had state religions and religious tests for public office.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/8/2019 05:10:57 pm
There's no place for hereditary tyrants and religious bigots to rule Society anymore, they don't offer anything to society --- except themselves.
Joe Scales
2/8/2019 08:45:57 pm
"Rationalism is superior to religion."
William J Fitzgerald
2/8/2019 10:36:18 pm
It is a bit of a misnomer to conflate the American and French Revolutions. They were really very different things. The conflation is likely because they occur in the same historical period, both are called revolutions, and no-doubt the French were inspired by the American cause. Ironic, though fitting with the differences between the Revolutions, that it was the French Monarch that assured American victory in its Revolution.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 02:18:33 am
Some people compared the Holy Roman Inquisition with the Nazis.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 02:22:43 am
Both the French Revolution and the American War of Independence had the same people involved....
William J Fitzgerald
2/9/2019 03:10:46 am
One quickly devolved into essentially anarchy which was brought to order by another monarchy, this time by an Emperor. While the other soon after formed a very stable government. One had a very communitarian vision of freedom. While the other was more individualistic. And as I stated before, one completely upended society destroying much of what was before (I am agnostic as to the good or bad of this, but it certainty was not a pleasant time). While the other essentially maintained its preexisting society; albeit much more patriotic to American sensibilities rather than British. Of course, society did evolve as all societies do, but it did not more slowly and not in a great upheaval of bloody anarchy. The similarities are mostly superficial.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 09:58:43 am
AMERICAN WAR OF INDEPENDENCE
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 10:57:50 am
The similarities between American Freedom and French Freedom are not "superficialities".
Joe Scales
2/9/2019 04:15:35 pm
Why don't you actually read what the Founding Fathers wrote, rather than dazzle us with your facile fancies... over and over again.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 05:57:46 pm
It looks like you have been duped by the likes of David Barton and Catherine Millard.
Joe Scales
2/9/2019 06:22:27 pm
Okay then. Embrace the asinine.
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 06:27:50 pm
Tell you what?
Joe Scales
2/9/2019 06:42:30 pm
Actually, it's your closed mind which has you ignoring every point I've tried to convey to you which is basically that your assertions are overgeneralizations ignorant of the context of the times; and certainly not based on reading first hand accounts from those you only imagine to understand. Instead, you see me purely as opposition and have colored me accordingly to your own prejudices. 2/9/2019 06:45:05 pm
What's "The Holy Roman Inquisition" and when did the Vatican shift from promoting eugenics to the current "everyone must reproduce no matter how defective" policy? 2/9/2019 06:52:13 pm
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RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 07:10:42 pm
Quoting John Adams:
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 07:13:53 pm
"when did the Vatican shift …"
RIGHTS OF MAN
2/9/2019 07:27:55 pm
"Upon February 16th, 1568, a sentence of the Holy Office condemned all the inhabitants of the Netherlands to death". (John Lothrop Motley, The Rise of the Dutch Republic, Volume 2, page 207, 1898)
DRUGS AND RELIGION
2/8/2019 11:04:25 am
"You will remember that Graham Hancock has taken consciousness as a major theme of his latter-day work and claims that hallucinogenic drugs provide a path toward communicating with cosmic entities"
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Doc Rock
2/8/2019 11:16:37 am
That's why so many people in the US want to start their own new versions of shamanistic religion. The belief that it gives them free rein to partake of Ebene, weed, peyote, etc. as the path to enlightenment, all while operating within a tax free organization.
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2/8/2019 01:42:01 pm
There is a difference between studying shamanism and entheogens and believing you are in contact with godlike beings from another dimension.
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Doc Rock
2/8/2019 02:26:17 pm
That's one reason why many people find the 501c3 application process to be quite frustrating.
GURU-SCIENTISTS
2/8/2019 11:08:29 am
Krippal sounds like a good example of a guru-scientist.
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Uncle Ron
2/8/2019 01:32:55 pm
Jason- many "Kirpals" and Kripals" starting with the first sentence.
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gwood
2/10/2019 02:24:53 pm
I had to quit accessing the Akashic Record. Too many overdue fines.
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Seymore Butts
2/10/2019 06:55:21 pm
I wonder when Kirpal will start commenting on here about how persecuted he is. Like when Stevie Sinclair was on a bender during the review of the craptastic Zena Halpern book.
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