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Conspiracy Theorist Claims UN, Government Suppressing Truth about Ancient "White" Colonization of New Zealand

5/11/2013

36 Comments

 
Today I’d like to take a little break from U.S.-centric alternative history to look at an ongoing debate in the alternative history of New Zealand. The material I’m going to discuss comes to me from Matthew Dentith, a New Zealander with a Ph.D. in the epistemology of conspiracy theories (how cool is that?), who runs a blog where he has carefully examined conspiracy theories about New Zealand, including a twelve part series on the allegation that the New Zealand government and sundry other dark forces are conspiring to hide the hidden ancient “white” history of New Zealand in order to turn the country over to the Māori.

Unfortunately, since so much of the media in America is U.S.-centric, we don’t often hear about the fringe ideas of other countries, so I thought I’d highlight the weird ideas about New Zealand that Dentith has done so much to examine and expose.

I’ve previously discussed some of the claims of alternative theorist Barry Fell that the archipelago was first discovered and settled by Greco-Egyptian colonists who gave rise to the Māori, but as it happens there are so many more ways to suggest that white European were the first colonizers of the islands, including the popular “Celtic New Zealand” hypothesis whereby Martin Doutré, a supporter of Holocaust-denial historian David Irving against a “Zionist” conspiracy and a questioner of the “real forces” behind the September 11, 2001 attacks, argued that stone circles in New Zealand (many actually natural formations) were (a) observatories, (b) thousands of years old, and (c) so sophisticated that only white people from ancient Europe could have devised them.

There is an entire conspiracy theory in which Doutré and others argue that the Māori and elements of the New Zealand government are conspiring to privilege the Māori over white New Zealanders, return the country to Māori rule, and deny whites their true history as the real New Zealand natives. John Ansell, another conspiracy theorist and a supporter of Doutré, calls this “Treatygate” for rather boring reasons you can read about on his website. (Essentially, like Scott Wolter with the Templar-Sinclair “land claim,” he thinks that proving a white presence in ancient times can legally undo history and abrogate treaties, laws, etc.) The upshot is that he believes the government and historians are conspiring to create an anti-white alternative history for New Zealand. This is very similar to the implied America Unearthed idea that the U.S. government and academic historians are conspiring with secret elites to deny white Americans their true history and position as legitimate and eternal rulers of America.

By the way, for those of you who enjoy America Unearthed and its silly claim that Mystery Hill in New Hampshire is “aligned” to Stonehenge, Doutré claims that the so-called Waitapu Observatory in New Zealand (a field of stones Doutré sees as a megalithic observatory but which appears to be a collection of natural and possibly Māori features; older surveys claimed a natural origin) is “mathematically linked” to Stonehenge as well!

Somehow I doubt that H2 would be interested in a show called New Zealand Unearthed.

Doutré shares a lot in common with our Sinclair-Holy Bloodline speculators. Doutré, for example, titled his book Ancient Celtic New Zealand and then promptly became outraged when mainstream researchers described his idea as the “Celtic New Zealand” hypothesis:

This whole off-centre focus on “Celtic” is a typical Marxist distraction or red-herring to draw focus away from what is so copiously stated in our history books (recorded oral traditions) and, instead, get people looking sideways at “obviously demented” individuals like Martin Doutré with his “crack-pot” theories about actual “Celts” roaming around New Zealand.

Remember, his book was called Ancient Celtic New Zealand and was about how the “monuments” of New Zealand were part and parcel of Celtic European culture. (Technically, he believes that “proto-Celts” or “pre-Celts” came to New Zealand prior to 1000 BCE, but somehow the Celtic shorthand is OK for him but not for his critics.) How many times have we heard from an alternative historian here in America (or Europe) that it is insulting to them to be accused of believing what they themselves had explicitly written?

Doutré’s evidence is straight out of the Victorian-era colonialist playbook: The native peoples of New Zealand have nebulous myths and legends about a lost white race, just like Native American tribes talked of a white master race! (He is, of course, referencing the falsified and fabricated American Mound Builder myth material from the 1700s and 1800s.) He also cites “white” mummies from Peru and accuses anthropologists of hiding their Caucasian origin. (They’re not Caucasian.) Similarly, he feels that biologists are hiding the fact that a New Zealand bird, the Pukeko, can be found in the Mediterranean. (It can’t—a similar looking Mediterranean bird is genetically different.) When challenged, he asserts a conspiracy and demands:

How do white people like me get access to our true history and do research concerning our world-traveling cousins without incurring the scathing wrath of people like you?

Boy, that sounds familiar. He also goes on about how Māori gods are “identical” to Indo-European gods (they’re not, except in the most general way shared by all pantheons worldwide) and how New Zealand rocks have … wait for it … Ogham writing! Ah, Barry Fell, will your work never fade away? Now, since Ogham only came about in the early centuries CE, that would mean that the writers were Celts, but Doutré is insulted that there is any implication of actual Celts in his work… I can’t even fathom the logic.

Doutré and Ansell, like America’s alternative historians, have a problem with historical research and writing done after the end of the imperial era. They see the Victorians as objective recorders of truth, particularly as it applies to white predominance, and see later work as politically correct propaganda. They are unable to understand how the social values of earlier eras affected that work, nor how their own social and political values inform their own work.

Anyway, Ansell recently claimed that the United Nations is involved in suppressing the truth about white colonization of the Pacific in order to promote the economic interests of “brown” people: “The UN know Māori and others aren’t indigenous, so they simply change the meaning of the word to: ‘The good brown people who got to the country (a bit) before the bad white people.’” He claims that the Māori have benefited from “skipping” three thousand years of evolution as a result of white people.

In the United States Native Americans are now such a vanishingly small part of the population (0.9% of the population, according to the 2010 Census, with an additional 0.8% identifying as having some Native ancestry) that attempts to rewrite American history to add an ancient white civilization don’t read to many Americans as explicitly racial claims and therefore do not need to use explicitly racial language. (Similar claims did use just such language, however, back in the 1700s and 1800s when Native Americans were still a powerful oppositional force to white American society.) By contrast, in New Zealand the Māori make up 15% of the population, and the discussion among the alternative fringe is explicitly racial, with the claims of “white” and “brown” people seen as being in irreconcilable, zero-sum opposition, reflecting perceived racial tension in New Zealand society.

The New Zealand version of the “ancient white ancestors” claim is not different in its essentials from the Sinclair-Holy Bloodline / Mormon pre-Native white Jews / lost white race of Mound Builders / prehistoric European colonizer mythology of America, and the rather blunt use of racial claims by Ansell and others makes explicit the implicit racial underpinnings of so many of the alternative histories proposed for the United States, as well as the modern political and social tensions that such claims reflect and are meant to mitigate.

36 Comments
Joseph Craven
5/11/2013 11:53:52 am

This touches on something I don't understand about diffusionism. Namely, suppose it's true, and there's a common white ancestor race. Why is this supposed to give anybody primacy over anybody else? I mean, I understand why the excuse was used successfully in the past (one side had guns, germs, and steel and the other didn't, thus they made the rules) but why do people think it would even fly nowadays? I can't just walk into my second cousin's house and declare it my own just because we share a common ancestor somewhere.

I'd think it would be a refreshing change of pace to see someone use these silly diffusionist arguments to argue that since we're all family we should stop being dicks at each other.

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Christopher Randolph
5/11/2013 07:25:21 pm

As I find the hypotheses themselves to be too stupid on the surface to merot serious consideration, you're asking exactly a question I'd like answered.

I think some of this would be an attempt to claim that whites are in fact the aborginal natives of the places that are majority white now, which some people seem to think both establishes land claims and absolves ethnic groups of genocidal behavior.

These are by and large not the sharpest knives in the drawer making these claims, so it's a bit hard to tell, and they seem to have an animal cunning sense that this is not something to be stated directly to non-believers or those on the fence,

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Alex Bantov
5/12/2013 10:19:52 am

Wholeheartedly agree!

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Matthew Dentith link
5/11/2013 01:45:55 pm

Hi, Jason.

Thanks for the shout-out; it's nice to have a bit of solidarity in these things and I like how you've shown, to paraphrase Douglas Adam's character Dirk Gently, the interconnectedness of fringe beliefs. I do find it interesting how these debates play out; as you say, in the US the Native American population is tiny and thus virtually invisible in shows like "America Unearthed"; if you tried to pull that off here in Aotearoa me Te Wai Pounamu (New Zealand) there would be questions being asked by most Pākehā (New Zealand European) viewers as to why there no Māori points of view being represented.

I'd actually quite like to do a "New Zealand Unearthed" style show, but one which examines the pseudo-history as pseudo-history. Unfortunately, there's not really a market for it here.

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Jason Colavito link
5/11/2013 02:01:35 pm

You're very welcome. There's a sort of boring sameness to fringe archaeology theories after a while; they all sort of boil down to one group trying to rewrite the past to promote its own interests in the present. What's especially odd is when you realize that even wildly opposed alternative theories (say, Afrocentrism and lost white race theories) share the exact same "evidence" and arguments, almost always derived from 18th and 19th century sources.

If Ignatius Donnelly and Baron von Humboldt didn't exist, conspiracy theorists would have to invent them.

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Matthew Dentith link
5/11/2013 02:07:42 pm

An interesting character to look into (with respect to my part of the world) is Elston Best, who for a long time was taken to be an excellent example of an early ethnographer and who wrote extensively on Māori culture, but is now considered to be a highly problematic figure by contemporary anthropologists because Best often went looking for evidence to support his theories and wasn't afraid to contradict his sources if their evidence didn't support his own views. Best is loved by the fringe historians here and they consider the repudiation of his views by contemporary academics here to be just more evidence of the large-scale conspiracy out to quash dissent.

Bob M
5/12/2013 10:53:39 am

I wonder if John Ansell is any relation to that idiot Colin King Ansell? The sort of famous for being famous Nazi.

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Matthew Dentith link
5/12/2013 11:35:21 am

No, John Ansell and Colin Ansell-King are not related.

Geoff link
5/11/2013 02:07:21 pm

Thank God for people like Matthew. NZ is home to the same kind of crackpots you find the world over (just being a bit smaller they are fewer).

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Matthew Dentith link
5/11/2013 02:10:56 pm

I hate to say it, Geoff, but I think we might punch above our weight when it comes to conspiracy theories. Aotearoa me Te Wai Pounamu (New Zealand) is rife with 9/11 Truth theories and Richard Gage, a prominent Truther, gave his biggest ever attended talks here at our national museum a few years back (about 450 attended). David Icke managed to sell out a venue a few years back as well.

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Tara Jordan
5/11/2013 07:55:02 pm

Charity begins at home. "The same kind of crackpots you find" exposing their lunacy & intellectual dishonesty on http://theology.geek.nz/
Raymond Ibrahim talking about the mass exodus & persecutions of Christians from the Middle East, & drawing the conclusions:"A mass exodus of Christians is currently underway. Millions of Christians are being displaced from one end of the Islamic world to the other. We are reliving the true history of how the Islamic world, much of which prior to the Islamic conquests was almost entirely Christian, came into being". " At one level it is yet one more demonstration of how intrinsically weak and insipid Islamic doctrine and historical teaching is. Islam cannot survive without the sword. It repeatedly demonstrates it cannot win a religious battle for hearts, minds and souls for it is spiritually impotent...".

It is unfortunate that the author of this pseudo analytic piece of racist garbage failed to mention that "the mass exodus & persecutions of Christians.." (which we are witnessing today) is the direct aftermath of Western interventionism & geopolitical shenanigans in the region.Not a single word about the role of US foreign policy & geopolitical agenda in this tragedy.Congratulations, Robert Spencer Daniel Pipes & David Horowitz couldn't have done it better.





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Geoff link
5/11/2013 08:12:33 pm

Matthew - well we do love a conspiracy over here...

Tara: Raymond Ibrahim is not a contributor on that site. Its a guest post from America. Perhaps you should read more of JT Tertullian's posts before you jump to conclusions about what he has to say: http://jtcontracelsum.blogspot.co.nz/

titus pullo
5/14/2013 02:31:18 am

Tara,

I gather you are not a supporter of the neoconservatives? Unintended consequences..from overthrowing Mosadeq to supporting Saddam with weapons..to arming the Afgan rebels against the Soviets..always seems to bite us in the end. And now..drones all over the area...

Tara Jordan
5/16/2013 07:31:01 am

Titus Pullo.
I`ll leave it to Norman Finkelstein: "neo-cons,they use their political mensch, Machiavelli, as ideological babble to cover their single interest, power.They appropriate anything which justifies their greed, which justifies their power.Straussians, my behind."

Tara Jordan
5/11/2013 08:50:38 pm

I am aware Raymond Ibrahim is not a contributor,but why are you promoting his distorted interpretations? .Despite having some academic training,Ibrahim is an ideologue & a political activist. His assocation with the neo conservative circus clowns & post Huntingtonian "thinkers" speaks for itself.

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Geoff link
5/11/2013 09:11:15 pm

Its a syndicated page, it doesnt promote anything - just collects posts from various people (all whom are well qualified in the areas they post in).
Shouldnt be posting about it on Jason's comment feed though, feel free to contact me directly if you have issues: geoff at theology dot geek dot nz

Tara Jordan
5/11/2013 09:58:28 pm

Geoff.Absolutely not.You run a site & you`re untitled to post whatever you want (I`m an advocate for total freedom of expression),but I feel you have the responsibility to educate your readers about the particular ideological & political mind-frame of authors you decide to publish.

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Geoff link
5/11/2013 11:39:32 pm

To be honest, I dont care that much. The idea is to make people think, and engage in discussion with the authors, whom all are experts in their fields and more than capable of defending their views (unlike the people Jason critiques here. If you disagree, take it up with the author.

Tara Jordan
5/12/2013 01:20:39 am

"To be honest, I don't care that much". Lol, at least you`re quite honest about your "editorial integrity" & intellectual standard.

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Geoff link
5/12/2013 08:59:55 am

Tara, I'm not an editor, just an aggregator of information.

John McKay link
5/11/2013 04:04:23 pm

I may have told this story before,

In 1993, during the Bosnian war, I went to Belgrade to interview one of the last of the communist revolutionaries. While I was there, I got to talk with the foreign minister of the Krajina Republic. Krajina was one of the mini-states that the Serbian minorities carved out of their new neighbors when Yugoslavia collapsed. This one controlled about a third of Croatia. Since no one recognized his country, Minister Jovanovich had very little to do with his days so he was thrilled to have a visitor. I didn't get to interview him: I just sat and listened to his historical rant.

A standard element of modern nationalism, as it moved into Eastern and Central Europe in the Nineteenth Century, was the search for a suitable historical narrative. The almost invisible subject nations needed a glorious past in order to claim their place with established nation states like France, England, Spain, and Scotland. Inevitably, this meant finding some expansive Medieval kingdom that covered part of their land, identifying it as an empire of their ethnic group, and claiming every inch of the old empire as their rightful land.

Jovanovich went far beyond the standard Serbian claim of "wherever Serbian bones are buried, there is Serbia" (which makes a large part of South Chicago and San Jose part of Serbia). Minister J lectured me on the Slavic empire that existed 5000 years ago and spread from the Aegean Sea to the Urals and included all of Central Europe. At the end of his presentation, he explained that this wasn't a nationalist fever dream; it was from a book by a French journalist. Since the author was totally divorced from the politics of the modern Balkans, his conclusions were above reproach. Then he gave me a book on a completely different subject and I went back to my hotel.

Jason regularly points out that most diffusionist theories have their origins in Nineteenth Century imperial apologetics. That theme came from the top, justifying the right of the colonial powers to rule. A second theme from that period came from the bottom. That was the weak claiming to deserve respect because they were once rulers of vast territories. The current diffusionist theories draw a little from both, mix it with post French Revolution Jews/Masons/Illuminati/Templars/NWO paranoia and become immune to facts, history, or logic.

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Christopher Randolph
5/11/2013 07:31:11 pm

Interesting post to me at a number of levels.

I worked in Bosnia later in the '90s, mostly in Muslim Bosniak areas of Bosnia as well as Croat areas of Bosnia and in Croatia proper. From the Bosniaks one would hear about the Ottoman Empire. The Croats have less to work with, unless one is an ultra looking back to the 'good ol' days' of working with the SS. Fortunately I didn't run into any of those types, but a little poking on the internet shows that Ustaše-positive people are still out there too...

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Tara Jordan
5/11/2013 08:03:50 pm

I disagree,Serbian nationalists (like any other nationalists have a tendency to exaggerate & extrapolate) but they do have legitimate claims,especially regarding Kosovo.I recommend you to read Paul Garde`s books (the French academic specialized in Balkans studies,from a pro Croatian & pro Bosnian perspective, & the collective refutation: "De l'imprécision à la falsification - Analyses de "Vie et mort de la Yougoslavie" de Paul Garde" from Nikola Samardzic, Anne Yelen, Pierre Maurer & Slobodan Despot.

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Christopher Randolph
5/12/2013 04:34:19 am

Tara -

I agree with you that Serbs are not the general monsters they've been made out to be in the mainstream American media, and they are certainly being robbed of some territory to which they have legit claims.

At the same time I've seen some of the material John McKay is talking about - some of the nationalist-adopted turbofolk songs on YouTube for example borrow some of the maps (I wish I recalled particular songs to link to but at the moment I don't) - and there are people with the notion that pretty much everything from just outside of Istanbul to the Italian and Austrian borders of the former Yugoslavia was/should be "Greater Serbia."

titus pullo
5/14/2013 02:27:48 am

Tara,

From what I have read the Austro Hungarian Empire was pretty hands off and decentralized..I always wondered what was driving the nationalists in Serbia to view the Empire as an enemy.

Jason Colavito link
5/14/2013 02:35:00 am

Serbia had struggled to free itself from the Ottoman Empire, and they did so through nationalism; part of that was directed back against the Austro-Hungarian Empire because nationalism demanded that all ethnic Serbs be united under one crown. In terms of practicality, the small landlocked nation wanted access to the wealthier Austrian lands and ports on the Adriatic. The Austrians, for their part, saw Serbia as an enemy because their nationalism riled up peoples within the empire, upsetting the delicate Compromise of 1867 (as did the related annexation of Bosnia in 1908) and threatening internal revolts by subject peoples clamoring for their own nation-states.

Christopher Randolph
5/14/2013 03:27:41 am

Fortunately most people are very open-minded most of the time, but once any shooting starts fear and tribalism take over at least temporarily.

Some of this is straight-up religion; Serbs of course are primarily Eastern Orthodox. Croats tend to be Catholic, and there's a Muslim Bosniak population. Nationalists have cultural memories of past religion-based warfare and the churches and mosques do little other than reinforce that. Little old Serbian ladies still mourn the loss of a 1389 battle.

Some of it is larger powers playing with the chess board, with southern Slavs as (sometimes willing) pawns. Traditionally southern German Catholic states and/or the German state backed the Croats, Russia the Serbs and the Ottoman Empire or Turkey the Muslim Bosniaks.

For the most part people would have a hard time even telling each other apart unless they self-identify. The Serbs use the Cyrillic alphabet so that's a visual cue, but as (a) spoken language(s) it's only certain word endings that vary to any extent. Some Muslims in Bosnia had a habit of building a 4-sided sloping roof instead of an A-frame; this had the unfortunate side effect in the '90s of helping some paramilitaries choose which houses to attack.

Christopher Randolph
5/14/2013 03:50:22 am

Oh yes - and I forgot to mention alcohol. People are heavy drinkers and I imagine much of the horror of the '90s happened when people were ripped on rakija.

Many of the people I met would start the day with a shot or two of rakija before breakfast, toned it down some at lunch with mere beer, and then hit the harder stuff again at night. In homes I was served a couple of shots before breakfast as a matter of course. My two great fears over there were landmines and drunk drivers, with plenty of visual evidence of both taking a toll on a regular basis. Some road curves would have drunk driving car remains 3 or 4 deep, in progressive states of decay. First car wrapped around tree, second car plowed into first, etc. ...

So people sing these nationalist folks songs and get wrapped in the flag and religion and are all weepy and drunk and someone makes reference to grandma's hardships in WWII and next thing you know the lads are driving a tank to the next village over.

Tara Jordan
5/12/2013 10:31:12 am

John. I`d love to hear more about your experiences in the region. As you may know,I did a Master in political science & history,actually doing interdisciplinary studies (ethno-anthropology).Your personal account is exactly what I am looking for. Would you consider posting something on "Archy"?. Thanks.

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John McKay link
5/12/2013 02:26:34 pm

I'd love to. It might take a little while but I'll let you know when I get something up.

Christopher Randolph
5/11/2013 07:21:33 pm

It's hard to keep track, but Barry Fell IIRC was claiming at one point that Egyptians landed in New Zealand first. Uh-oh - what's a diffusionist to do?

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Irna link
5/12/2013 04:21:53 am

Hi, I'm just in the process of reading Stéphen Chauvet's "L'île de Pâques et ses mystères" (Easter Island and its mysteries) from 1935: http://www.chauvet-translation.com/index.htm. Stéphen Chauvet was trying to argue, on the basis of some hair analyses and so-called cultural connections, that the Pascuans were apparented to New-Zealand Maoris; and, using Guillaume de Hevesy's ideas about rongorongo, that both were descendants of people from Mohenjo Daro and Harappa, or rather from a vast region that "extended from the Indus in the East to the Tigris and Euphrates in the West"...
According to this version of pseudo-archaeology, the Maoris themselves would be the true "ancient white ancestors", wouldn't they? :)

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titus pullo
5/14/2013 02:20:40 am

I can't help but think of almost 100 years ago when Wilson after WWI came up with the tag line about "self determination"...every power broker in Eastern Europe showed up at the "peace conference" with all sorts of "facts" that showed they deserved their own country and resource rich land....in fact the English and French and Wilson did such a good job at dividing Europe up..their peace was the key to the next war. The ethno nationalism is about the worst tendency of the human race. This "my people were there 2000 years ago so we deserve the land today" is irrational. Over thousands of years, people move, societies change, languages change, immigration, invasion and so on make the whole idea of "we deserve this land" to be laughable. People have the right to exist..but historical nations? Sounds like this guy in NZ just doesn't like how the tides are changing...but they always change in human history...as for the debate on this blog about US intervention in the middle east..I agree...the founding fathers had a much better view of foreign policy...not to go abroad to find monsters to slay...and to engage in commerce and friendship with all..and no entangling alliances...

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John McKay link
5/14/2013 04:49:11 pm

Wilson is hardly to blame for nationalism at the peace conferences. While he was still trying to keep the US out of the war, the Allies were making promises to the Italians, the Serbs, the Arabs, the Zionists, the Greeks, the Bulgarians, and the Romanians. It didn't matter that various "Great" ideals overlapped; winning the war was all that mattered. It would all be sorted out after the victory. When Bulgaria joined the Central Powers, it made it much easier to make even bigger promises to the other Balkan states. They promised Italy "influence" in Southwestern Anatolia (Turkey). The Italians took this to mean annexation.

While Wilson was running for reelection, the Allies decided to give up on the Hapsburg Empire altogether and began making promises to the Czechs and the Poles. After the US declared war and the Bolsheviks took power in Russia, the Allies made even more extravagant promises to the Poles and the Romanians. They promised the Greeks "influence" in an undefined part of Western Anatolia.

By the time Wilson wrote those words about "self determination" an insane overlapping mess was already in place. The British, French, and Italians were horrified at the thought that this would be anything other than a good old imperial carve up. The American delegation even tried to pull back some of the more aggressive expansions (especially around Bulgaria).

I think it was Hugh Seton-Watson (one of the most knowledgeable people in Paris as far as Central Europe was concerned) who told the famous story about the Hungarian borders. There was no commission to work on the Hungarian borders. Instead, there were separate commissions for Czecho-Slovakia, Romania, and the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes. Each drew their borders based on their country's ethnic claims, trying to get as many of the group as possible into their ethnic state. Next, they looked at the borders and made adjustments (always outward) to connect parts of the economy. Finally, they made adjustments to provide their country with the most defensible lines possible. Naturally, each state ended up with a sizable Hungarian minority. None of the commissioners communicated with the others. When it was time to add their sections to the treaty, they brought their maps together and were horrified to find out the others had been just as generous as they had been. They had placed three million Hungarians outside Hungary. There was no time to draw new maps, so they wrote it into the treaty and hoped for the best.

The result of the Paris treaties was that everyone, victor and loser, felt cheated. Wilson was a latecomer to the catastrophe. His League of Nations was supposed to be an arbitration group that could wind down some of those hostilities. He was naive and hopelessly out of his league in Paris, but he was a victim of the British and French, not a co-conspirator.

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Titus pullo
5/19/2013 01:36:25 pm

John,

Thanks very informative. I still think Wilson was a horrible president given the war along with his signing the federal reserve act and then the needed IRS. I'm not a fan of central banks..think they are anti free market and create massive devaluation of money, enrich the bankers, allow the warfare,welfare state, and lead to a loss of liberty.

MAORI-by-NATURE
1/24/2014 03:23:00 am

Kia Ora Koutou.. My ansestor's Te Maori have always been the kaitiake of Aotearoa. Guardian's of New Zealand.. if you read the treaty of new zealand you will see Maori always have had 50/50 ownership of this land since the crown came here and asked for help in the 2nd world war.. think about this people if my tipuna elders were savages like some European history states in the past cpt COOK would never of made it off this land from the start, and his crew would of been put in the hangi.. my people are a very strong proud line of chiefs warriors an tohonga also a very loving caring people too that don't have a problem with sharing alongside any race of people but there is a line of respect that go's with that understanding.. as for Martin Doutre his claim to fame is misunderstood about the ancient history of my elders and the Turehu and yes the Maori do carry that ancient DNA.. the only thing i do agree with is there is a conspiracy of covering up truth going on in Aotearoa an some papers i have read say they will not inform the public till the year 2065.. our people are apart of the te moananui whanau the family of the pacific, from Rapanui (easter island) Hawaii Aotearoa (New Zealand) ect and just like our other NATIVE family the Inca, Aztec ect there are ancient story's that have been passed down from grandfather to son for 1000's of years that speak of what the Maori call TUREHU.. i believe from what has been pass down to me and what i understand its to do with is the sun, moon, star gates, pyramids, star's symbols, carvings and yes our star family if you were not aware of pyramids in New Zealand look up KAIMANAWA and not even many kiwi's of new zealand know of kaimanawa. Aotearoa is the first place to see the sun the pyramids are placed all over the globe for a reason ask yourself why people and find the truth.. As for Mr john Ansell.. he ant worth talking about, anyway people thats my 10 cents added into this convo lol.. Tena koutou katoa.. KO TAKU RAUKURA, HE MANAWANUI KE TE AO.!!

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