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"Contact in the Desert": Mothman Investigator Claims Money, Government behind Ancient Astronaut Festival

8/12/2014

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The second annual Contact in the Desert event just wrapped up yesterday, and judging by media accounts, the event was better attended than last year’s but just as wacky. According to media accounts, more than 2,000 people attended the event and organizers had to end registration early due to the volume of ticket requests coming from around the world, including Canada, Britain, Australia, and South Africa, in addition, of course, to the United States. According to the Desert Sun newspaper, the attendees came from all age groups, though no children were present. Event coordinator Paul Andrews told the San Bernadino County Sun that “All the people in the UFO community know who these people are and will pay to come see them.”
Andrews accidentally gave away the raison d’être for the ancient astronaut theory: celebrity and money. It’s probably also worth noting that Andrews got the San Bernadino County Sun to describe conference presenters as “scholars,” a twist of the word if ever there was one.

The event also required attendees to sign release forms absolving the event from liability in case of injury and preventing lawsuits against the event and its speakers.

Ben Moore, 34, traveled from Ann Arbor, Michigan to attend the event and cited Ancient Aliens as a powerful influence in turning his mild interest in the supernatural into a growing belief in ancient astronauts and a willingness to spend money on its most famous figures, as he told the Sun:
While he has always been curious about what is “out there,” Moore said his interest in UFOs and extraterrestrials has grown even more in the last three years with shows like “Ancient Aliens” and the work of David Wilcock. an author on the subject and recurring guest on “Ancient Aliens.”
Wilcock, as we learned last week, recently went on Russian television to accuse the U.S. government of being in league with Jews (er, um, international financiers who all happen to be Jewish) in order to hoard gold, commit genocide, and hide the truth about ancient aliens.

According to the Desert Sun, the audience clapped and cheered in the manner of a religious revival when celebrity ancient theorist Erich von Däniken told the crowd that the aliens would someday be returning to the earth in a Second Coming. According to the paper, in his presentation, von Däniken abandoned his usual claim to only be “asking questions” and instead made several direct assertions without the weasel words and qualifications he typically cites when confronted with his own claims. This time he asserted:

  • Aliens first arrived on earth before Noah’s Flood.
  • Noah’s Flood really happened and the Ark story is literally true.
  • “We all have some extraterrestrial genes in us.”
  • The aliens are monitoring our activities right now.

Isn’t that special? But to return to Paul Andrews’s point about how many people are willing to pay good money to see the leading lights of UFO scholarship, you’ll probably find of interest an interview in the Examiner with Andrew Colvin, author of The Mothman Speaks and its two sequels, The Mothman Shrieks and The Mothman Squeaks. He claims to be one of the founders of Contact in the Desert since he was involved with its predecessor gathering. Despite being a Fortean researcher, Colvin has soured on the UFO movement, accusing its leading lights of, essentially, being scam artists out to inflate their egos and their bank accounts. He singled out Steven Greer and David Wilcock as the most egregious, citing their “posses” of bodyguards and Greer’s claim that purchasing his products would lead to contact with the “Space Brothers.”

Colvin calls out the ancient astronaut theorists and UFO celebrities for their profit motive: “It is just a bunch of blowhards, living double lives, talking about how great they are, scamming people for money.” And what are these double lives? Oh, right: Colvin is a conspiracy theorist who feels that the U.S. government is secretly employing ancient astronaut theorists to create a fake religion:
All of these spook UFO researchers are claiming that the government is after them, trying to kill them for "speaking out," which is why they have to hire these thugs. But the fact is that this is complete whackadoodie. They all work for the government, or are paid somehow. They think that by acting like they are under attack, people won't realize that THEY are the enforcers, holding weak and vulnerable people under their ET spell, harassing anyone who tries to stop their fake religion.
Colvin estimates that “90%” of UFO researchers are government agents. This apparently even includes Wilcock, who delivered anti-U.S. propaganda on Russian television.

Despite the apparently he generous government paychecks, these UFO researchers somehow also need to scam everyday Americans for cash. Thus, Colvin disapproves of the profit-oriented UFO conferences, which are organized like a circus or a county fair: “Well, they have these fake UFO conventions all over the world. It’s pure spectacle—a theatre of the absurd. I assume they are all funded by ex-Nazi millionaires in South America.”

Oh, how accidentally close to the truth he came! The truth is that fringe history is built atop a mountain of racism and is deeply intertwined with white nationalism and anti-Semitism. Wilcock, at several generations’ remove from the black heart of conspiracy culture, never quite seems aware that his claims about Jewish financiers and their alien allies descend from anti-Semitic literature, but there are many who do not hide their racist and anti-Semitic beliefs.

Consider this: White nationalist John de Nugent specifically cites ancient astronauts as a reason to separate the white Aryan race, descended from Nordic aliens, from Jews and other non-Aryans (which he considers descendants of Neanderthals), who are in league with the evil Reptilians and Greys:
What we now understand is that our race colonized this earth, but was long ago separated by a cataclysmic nuclear war from the home planets. The stories of the gods reflect actual visits to earth by actual, highly evolved relatives of ourselves. The ‘ancient aliens’ theory being promoted now non-stop on TV (by the Jews who own the TV networks) is partly valid, but the Jewish media refuses to highlight the huge role of the Exonordics, and focuses instead on the Grays and the Reptilian species, because the Jews themselves are allied with THEM. Earth is just one battlefield of an ongoing war in our entire Milky Way galaxy between the Exonordics and the Reptilians.
De Nugent also believes that “blond” aliens gave the Maya and the Inca their cultures, and he cites the Destination America series Unsealed: Alien Files as evidence that the Nazis had special relationships with Nordic aliens to advance the human race. Like David Wilcock, he believes that the Jewish conspiracy and their Grey alien allies are planning to use the New World Order to commit mass extermination, but he differs from Wilcock in identifying the Aryan race as the potential victims. Wilcock does not specify who will die.

Oh, and he, too, would like you to send him money, specifically envelopes stuffed with cash, or, better still “valuable jewelry or gold coins.” I’ve occasionally asked for small donations to keep my website running, but asking for gold by mail? Wow. Apparently I am doing things the hard way.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, De Nugent had a close relationship with the Barnes Review, which you will remember because it is the same Holocaust-denying publication that publishes articles by Frank Joseph (a.k.a. Frank Collins), the onetime head of the American Nazi party, for whose offshoot, the National Alliance, De Nugent once worked. In that publication Joseph calls to the attention of its white nationalist readership the Templar claims of Scott F. Wolter, whose work Joseph also publishes in his capacity as editor of Ancient American magazine’s paperback anthologies.

You can’t scratch the surface of fringe history without uncovering some dark ideas.

Before I conclude, let me offer this word of disclosure: John de Nugent contacted me in 2010 to criticize my views on the Solutrean hypothesis, which he considers to be evidence of a white race of original Americans massacred by incoming Native Americans, and demanded to know if I were gay, liberal, Native American, or Jewish in order to “rebut” my “bias” against acknowledging “white genocide.” “Are you dating or married to a non-white?” he asked, “Yes, Jason, this is relevant. It shows your partiality.” I guess it’s comforting, at least, to know that the case for white nationalism is so weak that only ad hominem attacks can keep it alive. Well, that and the support of cable television shows about aliens and ancient white Americans that serve as convenient entry points for conspiracy culture.

117 Comments
expat link
8/12/2014 04:27:59 am

One of the minor "UFO celebs" at that event actually accused NASA of orchestrating a power outage which killed his Powerpointery. Very funny.

http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2014/08/those-evil-nasa-goons-will-stop-at.html

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Gregor
8/12/2014 05:02:41 am

Just when you think that idiot can't get any lower... I assume he also blames NASA for his removal as "Junior Assistant Probationary CAD Technician II" at Boeing?

I suppose the most infuriating thing is he's going to die (moderately) rich & famous, because he's a goddamn train wreck and apparently we as a society just can't look away.

Just in case I wasn't clear: he's a scumbag of the lowest order.

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EP
8/12/2014 07:39:45 am

Still better than accusing NASA of orchestrating fatal accidents to keep astronauts silent about the alleged Moon Landing Hoax.

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Gregor
8/12/2014 08:43:17 am

... please, *please* tell me he didn't make this claim.

EP
8/12/2014 08:46:12 am

It was claimed (or, to be precise, strongly suggested) by a documentary shown on Fox a few years ago. It's pretty infamous, actually. (And I'm sure it's a relatively common claim among conspiracy theorists...)

Gregor
8/12/2014 09:13:29 am

>>It was claimed (or, to be precise, strongly suggested) by a documentary shown on Fox a few years ago.

Fantastic. Welp, I've got the unending rage... Now I just need some gamma radiation.

Paul C
8/13/2014 01:22:22 am

There aren't enough Buzz Aldrins.

Binaryspellbook link
8/13/2014 01:42:40 am

Mike Bara and Richard C. Hoagland both claim that NASA murdered the crew of Apollo one by causing an oxygen fire and burning them alive. They are on record of saying this in the Horrible book Dark Mission. Scum is a kind word.

Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 04:32:55 am

Oh, sweet irony... White aliens from space colonized the planet that was already inhabited by Neanderthal-Jews and presumably the Reptilians who evolved from the dinosaurs and inhabit the Hollow Earth.

So, white people are the illegal aliens of Earth, and de Nugent's nationalist pride is actually a front for his approval of immigration and cultural diversity. Amazing!

As for Contact in the Desert:
I'm curious. No children? Was this a posted rule or a happy coincidence? It seems unusual since one can generally find children under twelve at almost every other form of convention in the country (San Diego Comic-Con, for example, allows children under 12 free entry with a parent).

One would expect to find parents who believe all this ancient astronaut garbage more than happy to bring their kids along to get a healthy dose of the truth the government doesn't want them to know (or DOES it?!).

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Gregor
8/12/2014 04:58:14 am

I'm waiting to hear about how the "Neanderthal-Jews" operated as an international cabal to control the supply of flint tools, thereby dictating who amongst the poor, indigent, Nordic-Alien immigrants were allowed to survive. Oh! And we should point out that it's not the fault of the Neanderthal-Jews per se... just the inherent corruption in Neanderthal-Judaism!

-sigh- Even mocking it makes me feel dirty... and somehow, I know there's jagoffs out there who actually *believe* things like the above.

As for "no kids"... something tells me the organizers know the sort of folks who flock to these events, and were absolutely not about to take that kind of risk (if only, as Jason noted, out of concern for their own legal liability).

You're right, though: there was a post on Tsoukalos' Facebook a few days back from a woman claiming her kids "loved" Ancient Aliens, and one even did a "science fair project" about it. Another equally ill-informed poster remarked how Tsoukalos would usher in an age of "cool" scientists, instead of the stupid, nerdy ones who literally built the world we live in today.

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Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 06:26:25 am

It's almost enough to make one wish there really was a New World Order agenda to depopulate the earth, isn't it?

Sadly, the NWO I know only succeeded in depopulating WCW by building past its critical mass, promoting elitism... and... oh my god... hogging all the gold! Dammit. The conspiracy is real, and Hulk Hogan's "Hollywood" years are proof!

Gregor
8/12/2014 06:33:32 am

@Clint

Shut the hell up, man! My PTSD is gonna flare up over my time fighting the NWO as a minion of Aerosmith, complete with automatic weapons & explosive CDs...

...

I've failed you, Steven Tyler! I'VE FAILED EVERYONE! FORGET THE "RICH", EAT THIS STURDILY MANUFACTURED COMPACT DISC, YOU NWO SCUMBAGS! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

EP
8/12/2014 06:45:54 am

Sounds like *someone* had way too much fun at a rock'n'roll mystery rite last night...

.
8/12/2014 10:38:08 am

Gregor --- itz the auld FLINT and PYRITE mines on the California
coast that let you start fires way quicker than with a bow drill set
in a survivalist manner. think CALICO CALIFORNIA and how
fast you can get a blaze going in a rather dry environment. it
sure beats out having blisters on both palms after a futility of
effort and expended energy. Linkage helps, as does common
sense. When delving into Louis Leakey's 1964 trip to Calico...i
thought over the resources of the given area around that town.
You want access to both these materials, cheap flints are very
abundant as are varieties of flint or flint-like rocks. SEE chert.

http://www.primitiveways.com/marcasite%20and%20flint.html

.
8/12/2014 10:50:16 am

Lets take a MENSA level leap well past the scripting of the
classic STAR TREK reptile "GORN" episode and what we
know of the old Medieval formulas for gunpowder. if i could
find a proof positive for the idea that NEANDERTALs by boat
or ship oftentimes annually went to the coast of California in
order to go inland to the ancient FLINT and PYRITE mines,
i'd have in my hands a bonafide cash~able check from a
publishing house for at least $25,ooo.oo in pure know-it-all
bliss. again... moving our archaeology in this Hemisphere
well past Clovis... by a few degrees closer to 500,ooo B.C!!!

EP
8/12/2014 06:19:31 am

No, you got it all wrong. The orthodox Nazi Alien line is that the Aryan-Atlantean-Aldebaraneans were here first. They genetically engineered inferior races to be their slaves. This is why the coming war of the Antarctic Nazi saucer army against the Illuminati Jewish world order is just. (This isn't a joke, it's what Jan Van Helsing actually says.)

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Gregor
8/12/2014 06:40:27 am

Wait... they engineered slave races... they from the heavens came... the Aryan-Atlantean-Aldebaraneans are the Annunaki?! Oh god, it's just like Knowles said! Annunaki... Ah - nu - nah - ki.... Ah - nah - ki.... Nah - ki.... NAZI. I AM NOW COSMICALLY CERTAIN OF THIS TRUTH!

Quickly David Wilcox must be inforr---r....r(959...35(09..9...03490(##.....@&########......

<singularity closes>

Ronald W. Satz link
8/12/2014 05:15:17 am

So Ancient Astronaut Theory is just another religion, with its promoters seeking fame and fortune. Of course belief in the ancient Sumerian gods as ancient astronauts conflicts with Judaism, hence the animosity. In Judaism, human beings are created as ethical hominids with dominion over the Earth. We were not slaves created by some visiting alien race.

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666
8/12/2014 05:40:23 am

> So Ancient Astronaut Theory is just another religion

That's right, based upon Faith
"Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

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EP
8/12/2014 06:14:46 am

Scott Wolter himself spoke at the Barnes Review's "International Conference on Authentic History and the First Amendment" in 2002.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t25432/

Kensington Runestone, Holocaust denial, 9/11, "Christian origins of the First Amendment"... Quite a lineup!

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Only Me
8/12/2014 02:33:23 pm

DUDE!

Are you *trying* to lure Steve the Accuser back to this blog? Prepare for some heavy-duty butthurt.

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EP
8/12/2014 02:43:00 pm

Maybe I missed it, but has this particular tidbit ever been discussed on this blog? Jason discussed Frank Joseph's relationship with Scott Wolter here

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/fringe-historys-frank-joseph-problem

but not the fact that Wolter participated in one of their conferences. (His participation in 2002 is still being advertised by The Barnes Review.) There is no way Wolter could have failed to know who he was dealing with - Wolter's involvement wasn't just with Joseph, it was with The Barnes Review itself!

Only Me
8/12/2014 02:51:52 pm

To quote The Miz, "Really? REALLY? Really?"

Keep in mind, Scott has no problem accepting home-made awards from a Solutrean Hypothesis believer and racist. Nor is he troubled accepting and defending the work of Jacques de Mahieu.

EP
8/12/2014 03:21:29 pm

http://www.science-bbs.com/13-archaeology/55b2f1ee990f3031.htm

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.archaeology/gwfI40olhbQ/_RMOpvxrK2EJ

You be the judge

Only Me
8/12/2014 04:51:15 pm

Well, I checked out the links, including the Stormfront one. I need a bath, now...preferably in bleach.

Of course, the argument will be made that Scott only attended such venues to promote his "work" on the KRS, and is not a supporter of such entities or their ideology. While this may be true, it can also be said that no one attends a MS-13 rally to reveal "history-altering" archaeological discoveries.

EP
8/12/2014 04:55:59 pm

It wouldn't make any more sense than promoting astrophysics at a NAMBLA convention. Unless you think that racial makeup of ancient Americans is relevant to Holocaust denialism. In which case you're certainly a racist yourself.

Only Me
8/12/2014 05:10:36 pm

The "you" is indefinite, right? :)

You know what's *really* disturbing? I've seen a photo of the guy who started NAMBLA in his old age...wearing a dress, high heels and a Minnie Pearl hat.

Shit, I just threw up a little in my mouth.

EP
8/12/2014 05:30:36 pm

You are aware I wasn't BSing about "you", right? I mean, it's cool if you still think it's funny, I just want to make sure the joke's not on you... :P

Only Me
8/12/2014 06:01:41 pm

My apologies, you misinterpreted my humor. My first reply to you was in relation to:

"There is no way Wolter could have failed to know who he was dealing with..."

That's why my second reply referred to his acceptance of an award from Frank from Queens and his support for de Mahieu.

Wolter has a history of bad decisions concerning publicity, something his staunch followers want to desperately sweep under the rug.

EP
8/12/2014 06:06:07 pm

Yeah, I got all that :) None of this is meant to be surprising. It's just that I was under the impression that this particular incident hasn't been discussed on this blog.

Only Me
8/12/2014 06:12:20 pm

No, it hasn't. It's not surprising, though. Jason went through the blog version of Hell Week when he looked into the whole racism-Nazism-fringe history trifecta before. He has admitted that the subject makes him uncomfortable. Thanks to the douchebaggery of some posters, I completely understand.

EP
8/12/2014 06:22:00 pm

When was that?

.
8/12/2014 06:25:19 pm

luv --- if Senator Rand Paul was next to S.W from H2 that day...

his 2o16 POTUS run would have been either impossible

or improbable. the glib Neo-Fascist network is the younger

generation the old WW2 era spies and their close friends

recruited. for some reason they tumble out of the woodwork.

Only Me
8/12/2014 07:35:21 pm

@EP

Sorry, I was taking a break:) Check out the following headlines:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/when-is-it-ok-to-discuss-a-fringe-historians-background

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/fringe-historys-frank-joseph-problem

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/fringe-history-and-the-survival-of-esoteric-nazism

Those were some good ones, but the comments are just as valuable as the articles themselves.

EP
8/12/2014 07:47:52 pm

@ Only Me

Oh, I've read these ones. That didn't seem so bad, to be honest, though I wasn't in Jason's shoes. I think the fight with the Rev et al. actually was worth having, in the sense that it revealed how utterly hopeless their case was. On the contrary, .'s posting is just literal garbage that does nothing but clutter the threads, affecting and affected by nothing.

Only Me
8/12/2014 07:56:21 pm

Just bear in mind that each time Jason goes a-lookin' into the ugly side of fringe, this forum lights up like the fourth of July. The crème de la crème is:

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/scott-wolters-apparently-non-existent-degree

1338 comments and counting!

.
8/12/2014 07:58:12 pm

EP --- Rev Phil is not the problem and Gunn made some
able comments in the April 29th blog*thread that talks about
Ackroyd, Belushi, the BLUES BROs + Skokie. i feel I may have
sounded very ignorant when not going into the Nazi network
S.W seems to be "flirting" with by degrees that may have done
a blacklisting or blackballing of pure Jason. illogical Hippies
may be intellectual "meat shields" for Nazis or Neo-Nazis...
its the way the Stalinists infiltrated the Trotskyites in the 1930s
at about the same time the Nazis did. Today we see Anarchists
being unaware of double allegiances. its an old tactic. i am
spelling the unsaid thoughts out. i usually don't do this...

.
8/12/2014 08:03:40 pm

the hour is late. we are being very honest.

i did a typo "poor Jason" not "pure Jason" ---!!!

GT being EvD's lil attack dog is not a fluke

but EvD is not the organized idiot whose Id is

worse than a PINKY AND THE BRAIN episode....

Shane Sullivan
8/12/2014 06:28:52 am

So one of De Nugent's sources is a TV show, which is run by the Jews, who tell us the truth about Nazis and Nordic aliens, while also glorifying the evil Greys and Reptilians by telling us that they're raping us and stealing our unborn half-alien babies...

Of course, we all know De Nugent is a government agent tasked with making white nationalists sound dumber.

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Gregor
8/12/2014 06:35:58 am

... unless *you* are a Government Agent sent to try and discredit De Nugent's espousing of the Truth!

...

oh...oh god... what if *I* am the Government Agent? Who am I supposed to be discrediting?! I DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION IN THE BRIEFING! LET ME COME BACK IN!!

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EP
8/12/2014 06:54:24 am

"Andrew Colvin, author of The Mothman Speaks and its two sequels, The Mothman Shrieks and The Mothman Squeaks."

Can't wait for volume IV: "The Mothman Saves Christmas"

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Prone
8/12/2014 08:35:36 am

Im holding out for the prequel about Mothman during puberty; "Mothman Mumbles Awkwardly in the Presence of Mothwoman"

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.
8/12/2014 09:38:34 am

Seriously though... COLVIN is an optimist in my book,
i think that only half the good folks in the UFO movements
have received and cashed anything like a gov't check or
series of checks that total up over a thousand bucks... i
feel that we must pull Social Security checks out of the
given set of particulars and specify that BLACK OPS types
who do cash gov't checks are a rarefied breed of human.
He is somewhat correct, but a tad optimistic about how
organized and effective UNCLE SAM is! said as "celebs"
are being buzz~bombed in Hollywood by civilian drones....

.
8/12/2014 10:25:11 am

i just took the CITES link Jason provided into DeNugent's D-R
site and looked at two long threads. i went for the one with 1945
and Pleiadeans in it first & found a TRUE magazine KEYHOE
article from 1966 that talks about a Herr B.Heim and some
anti-gravity ideas like those in old issues of ANALOG magazine.
The next "slumming" excursion took me to SOLUTREAN treks
and i saw a photo of the U.S 5 cent piece before Jefferson that
DeNugent applies the word Neanderthal to in terms of profiles.
Another link that i spotted hints that DeNugent has POTUS run
ambitions and upon gettin' the idea he sometimes listens to
Alex Jones, i am thankful that A.J's EGO driven case of classic
Potomac fever trumps that of Herr DeNugent. Dang... i wuz
really SLUMMING today... HECK, HADES and BEN HECHT!!!!

EP
8/12/2014 10:32:47 am

Does anyone actually read .'s comments? Because I don't, for what it's worth. Jason is reluctant to ban people, but at this point .'s comments are effectively vandalizing the blog. They are also liable to turn away new readers since some might understandably not wish their comment drowned by chain-posted walls of incoherent text.

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Steve_in_SoDak
8/12/2014 11:22:40 am

I do read .'s comments, more often than not I find myself scratching my head and wondering what the hell I just read. I also find myself wondering if there is some kind of key or primer that would allow me to move the words around to get the secret message contained within. Maybe if i drink some more Ovaltine I can get the decoder ring.

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Gregor
8/12/2014 11:33:30 am

I try to give them a once-over... sometimes they're incoherent, other times they're interesting / playful. Honestly, not sure I'd be fit to comment anyways, given that I doubt many find my contributions helpful or informative.

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EP
8/12/2014 11:54:17 am

Well, Gregor, I doubt anyone ever hoped you stop posting forever, at least :)

Gregor
8/12/2014 12:25:39 pm

>>Well, Gregor, I doubt anyone ever hoped you stop posting forever, at least :)

I have a doubting nature, and no honest way of judging that.

In any case, my comment wasn't so much a defense of Herr Doktor Gonzo P. Unctuation so much as it was a note that if such are the terms one is to be judged upon, then I'd be as guilty (or more so) than most, and bans would need to be sufficiently inclusive.

666
8/12/2014 12:29:16 pm

All part of the rich tapestry of life - one thing the human personality isn't - and that's generalised and predictable and stereotypical

I go back to the Professor of Anthropology who takes alien abductions and The Da Vinci Code seriously

Badges and medals just show how good people are at passing exams and achieving qualifications.

Personality is something else.

EP
8/12/2014 12:29:25 pm

Nah, I don't think you're even in the same league, so you'd have nothing to worry about :)

EP
8/12/2014 12:30:14 pm

To be clear, I meant Gregor, not 666

.
8/12/2014 12:59:29 pm

Luv --- i wuz sorta hoping Triple6/KIP would own up

to about 200 to 1000 one or two sentence zinger posts

done here between March of 2o14 to June of 2o14.

if only to honor the war dead of WW1 given that it was in its

early weeks about 100 years ago. we need a group hug.

Mandalore
8/12/2014 04:46:20 pm

I don't bother to read them. Just too incoherent to be worth trying to parse. Although I must say I went back over a couple after I saw '.' brag of his Mensa level intellegence. Made me laugh. At least '.' isn't a nasty troll trying to pick fights like 666.

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Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 05:18:13 pm

That "MENSA or near MENSA" comment aside (and let's be clear, MENSA is nothing but an organization people pay to tell them they're smart), "." (formerly J.A. Dickey), usually does have some sort of point if one wishes to spend ten to thirty minutes parsing it all.

That's the problem though. This is the comment section of a man's blog; not any of our personal-expression soapboxes. Self-serving attempts at stylistic individuality have their places, but this isn't one of them. Strip away the false-Gonzo-Dadaism and "." would be just fine.

At least he (or she, I don't know for certain) is not actively trolling- just trying too hard to be different, or not trying hard enough to elucidate the point he/she is trying to make.

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EP
8/12/2014 05:25:19 pm

@ Clint:

I don't know... Maybe I'd not come across anything else before I stopped trying, but the content of his posts doesn't amount to much more than irrelevant name-dropping even once you strip away the "false-Gonzo-Dadaism" (awesome, btw!).

.
8/12/2014 06:06:13 pm

she...


XX
not XY

Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 06:08:21 pm

It seems irrelevant most of the time, yes, and it's entirely possible I simply read too far into the few posts I have given a minute to. Admittedly, I don't actually spend the time to parse it all down to core concepts, but most of his/her style appears to be built around using those name drops to describe a metaphor or draw a parallel to whatever situation or idea is being commented on instead of just commenting directly.

It's a nuisance, for certain, but that's the point of Dadaism. Dada strives to be illogical, but J.A. isn't actually being Dada for the sake of Dada. He/she is using it as a filter, a construct to strive to emulate while simultaneously attempting to emulate Gonzo Journalism- itself a journalistic style of making oneself the centerpiece of the story while still telling the story.

The key here is in the "journalism" part of the term. Journalism, by default, still indicates an attempt to find and express the truth of any given situation. Thompson might have been an egotistical shit, but he still believed in the journalist's role in society.

So, we get to "." acting on journalistic impulses while actively filtering it through a murky Dada lens of insensibility- itself a construct of the Gonzo impulse toward egoism.

I maintain there's a point in there somewhere, but getting to it is more effort than it's worth. It's just too self-aggrandizing.

EP
8/12/2014 06:16:08 pm

For all the effort his posts must require, the best thing anyone seems to be willing to say is "at least he's not actively trolling".

It's would be sad if it weren't so irritating.

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/13/2014 03:45:57 am

I'm not sure the incoherence is deliberate. It could be, certainly, but a significant proportion of people who post online—I've seen a lot of them—just seem to be incapable of expressing themselves coherently.

Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 06:37:26 pm

I'm willing to go so far as to say I admire the desire and determination to establish a personal style. I just don't believe this is the place to do it when the host himself works so diligently to cut through the illogic and intentional obfuscation the topics and people he discusses bring to the table.

In the end, though, it is Jason's blog and not my own. So I try not to judge too harshly.

Except when it comes to actual trolls with malevolent intent. They get what they dish out. It's only fair.

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Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 06:40:05 pm

Dammit. Hit the wrong nested Reply button.

EP
8/12/2014 06:45:30 pm

What you're saying (and maybe even your misplacement of your reply) related to what I meant by "effectively vandalizing the blog". Because of .'s verbal diarrhea it's actually difficult to keep track of what's happening in the thread.

And let's be honest - . is not establishing anything. He's repeating a few themes and stock phrases in the echo chamber of his appropriately empty head. He's a step away from sounding like a chatter bot.

.
8/12/2014 06:54:08 pm

Jason is trying to civilize the greater unwashed, the Hippie
horde who are twice his age. he tends to draw Boomers into
his blog, they explain themselves, and then you guys make
comments. he's trying to move back the hands of the big
Counter-Culture clock by looking at the Old Victorians so
that he understands the ground rules before the Twenties
Roar. i respect him for plucking apart penny dreadfuls or Poe.

Clint Knapp
8/12/2014 06:57:20 pm

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly it is a distraction and the tactic is really so much spam getting in the way of meaningful dialog.

I don't mean to suggest the style choice is actually revolutionary or particularly well done, only that the attempt toward it exists and to uncover the root of it.

If anything, over-analyzing it has proven infinitely more interesting than the actual content of the posts.

.
8/12/2014 07:04:53 pm

to be more specific, have you heard of the cult of
dissonance circa 1960, an artistic effort and/or
movement impossible in the year 1940 but very
similar to the BLACK SUN nihilism of the year 1920?
it is near or at the core of the counter-culture and
seems on the surface to play games with being
a "wop-woo" saucer cult. this is more than being
beatnik or bohemian. it explains things in that decade.

EP
8/12/2014 07:05:41 pm

I mean, yeah - . is also attempting (with variable success) to use English grammar. You don't think it should be acknowledged, do you? :)

Honestly, if one of Wolter's fanboys wanted to sabotage Jason's blog, they couldn't do much better than imitating .'s posting.

.
8/12/2014 07:13:31 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/f/frank-dissent.html

in 1940s terms you either trust the establishment or you don't.
this is almost intellectually absurd in the early 60s or 20s.
cognitive dissonance is not chaos theory but if one is into
solipsism and disorder, loathing conformity, mix nihilism into
the hegelian blender, then one has arrived. am succinctly put.
i grew up surrounded by BS artists who loved to psychobabble.

.
8/12/2014 07:16:48 pm

Wolter's fanboys by definition are often way stupider
than SW so they really have no idea about modern PR
or even who Freud's nephew was. GOTO bernays

https://archive.org/details/publicrelationse00bernrich

Clint Knapp
8/13/2014 02:06:48 am

Actually, EP, you bring up a good point and one we definitely should acknowledge. What could be less Dada than good grammar?

BillUSA
8/12/2014 10:41:02 pm

I'd call "." a schizophrenic. But out of respect for those afflicted with schizophrenia, I don't.

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Mark L
8/13/2014 09:48:09 pm

I just skip past them. This site would be a great deal nicer if the comments section forced you to properly register, and you could block / ignore people.

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Ronald W. Satz link
8/12/2014 01:00:29 pm

In the Middle Ages, the Roman Catholic "authorities" prevented Jews from entering any profession other than finance. So, obviously, the more ambitious Jews became financiers and some became wealthy. With emancipation, during the Age of Enlightenment, Jews could enter any profession, as could others. There is no conspiracy or cabal here. Judaism teaches universal freedom, justice, and peace. Judaism uplifts mankind; the AA theorists denigrate mankind--the aliens contributed to everything we have! So, again, that's the source of the animus.

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666
8/12/2014 02:16:49 pm

> during the Age of Enlightenment, Jews could enter any profession

In theory.
Jews could not integrate into a world of Christianity until recently.
Heck, go to any Eastern European Country now, today in 2014 especially Poland.
And France - "enlightened" France - where synagogues are still vandalised and school buses attacked.


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.
8/12/2014 02:32:48 pm

TripleSix is correct.

Mark link
8/12/2014 02:05:19 pm

So *that's* who's behind it! Glad we got that cleared up, I was wondering.

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Gregor
8/12/2014 02:16:05 pm

Mildly off topic... though it does deal with money, and one of the asshats attending "Contact in the Desert":

I just saw that "Uncovering Aliens" is running on the newly-rebranded "American Heroes Channel".

Not only does this make a failed draftsman, a moderately-hot "blogger" and two nutjobs "American Heroes" (apparently?)... this is the THIRD "different" channel I've seen airing this particular content (the other two being the equally ridiculous options of "Science" and "Animal Planet").

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EP
8/12/2014 02:29:34 pm

Meanwhile... are Time Team reruns even on TV? Anywhere?

Also, the entire "Training" section from Maureen Elsberry's resume:
"Keep It Real Acting, Los Angeles, CA, on-camera private coaching, Judy Kain, 2013; Private on-camera acting lessons"

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Gregor
8/12/2014 02:34:28 pm

...the lessons don't seem to have taken...

EP
8/12/2014 02:36:09 pm

You mean acting? Or keeping it real? :)

Gregor
8/12/2014 03:52:15 pm

Well, I suppose I meant "acting"... but I'll be honest, whenever I watch that show its equal parts yelling obscenities at Mike "I'm A Douchebag" Bara... and going strangely silent, usually in conjunction with the multiple, slow pan shots that just happen to focus directly on Maureen Elsberry's lovely, jean-clad ass.

I must give credit where it's due, however, in that the show is the single most batshit insane thing I've ever seen. I've watched programs before that made leaps of faith or stretched ("massaged") factual information in order to prolong the mystery... but never (before) have I seen a show that will have a staged interview between one of the characters and some "expert"... hit EVERY "you're full of shit!" cue on the list (linguistically and body language)... then turn right around and reassert everything the "expert" just said as if it's 100% vetted gospel truth.

Also, I feel bad for the English guy... the other three get heavily bloated, made-up titles ("Experienced Aeronautical Engineer", "Respected Blogger", "CIA Operative").... and then there's him: "An English guy who thinks he's met aliens a whole bunch".

EP
8/12/2014 04:07:10 pm

Watch "Incident at Loch Ness" if you haven't already.

http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/incidentatlochness-trailer/86534

.
8/12/2014 06:02:27 pm

i may be half as Irish as JFK but i know i am equally
as Jelly Donut as he! I do know i am an American.

Gregor
8/12/2014 07:42:21 pm

@EP

"They're saying "show me the evidence", I'm saying: "show me the NOT evidence"!"

<slams head against table>

EP
8/12/2014 07:49:04 pm

It is awesome! Someone should link it in the Loch Ness thread.

Name
8/12/2014 02:39:05 pm

http://video.pbs.org/program/time-team-america/

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team



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EP
8/12/2014 02:45:44 pm

I meant the original Time Team, not Time Team America. Also, please check the second link and tell us when and where the next showing is :)

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Name
8/12/2014 03:27:40 pm

I am not in the U.K and when I click on the link
for the episodes that were broadcast last year,
they do not play for me. I think I have to live in the
U.K and if I did, I'd know their schedule by heart.

Name
8/12/2014 03:40:49 pm

This episode is about the Tsunami that hit England 8000 years ago.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/time-team-specials/4od#3591277

It aired on May 30th of 2013 at 8 p.m so it is rather recent,
The Channel Four site gives me an error message each time.

EP
8/12/2014 03:43:00 pm

Time Team was canceled in 2013. But thanks for your help.

Name
8/12/2014 03:53:07 pm

yes, i indeed think we both knew that as we both were
being most polite and talking around the big metaphoric
elephant in the room, namely that the internet is a vast
Turing test and that i usually do not go onto the blog*site
here as "Name" even though Weebly asks us for a name.

EP
8/12/2014 04:10:14 pm

Sure, whatever you say

Only Me
8/12/2014 04:53:50 pm

Mein Name ist Brad!

(Couldn't resist.)

.
8/12/2014 05:09:36 pm

dude!!!! well hello BRAD!

.
8/12/2014 05:14:30 pm

"ICH BIN EIN BERLINER! "

http://millercenter.org/president/speeches/speech-3376

i'm only half as Irish as he was....

Only Me
8/12/2014 05:25:59 pm

Just a joke ".". You remember, the Rosetta Stone commercial where one fella is asking questions and the other only responds with "Meine name ist Brad!"?

.
8/12/2014 05:33:19 pm

stupid me. there is only one Rosetta of note, it was translated
more than 150 years ago, and the reference when read literally
by me had me wondering if your name was actually Bradley. if
i see the name Brad, its actually a nickname. then again, today's
parents, sometimes they are clever when naming their offspring!

.
8/12/2014 05:57:57 pm

i now went into Google. saw the Wiki page.
George III stared at the Rosetta Stone in 1802.
roughly 175 to 200 years ago it was being
translated in full. i also saw rosettastone.com
and may have stared at the commercial
only to forget it. i would have lost out if the
phrase was a Jeopardy question. I'm showing
my age. The WATSON program would bounce
back and forth between the historic stone
and the TV ad. my brain can be aspie literal.
i also ran into the Jelly Donut version of JFK's
address in the early 1960s. he may have been
applauded when he told the Berliners he was a
Jelly Donut. He was charismatic & very American.

Only Me
8/12/2014 02:43:02 pm

"We all have some extraterrestrial genes in us.”

I'm assuming those are the ones identified as junk DNA? Since, you know, all of this is based on junk pseudoscience.

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666
8/12/2014 04:54:54 pm

ETs are only the equivalent of Angels

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.
8/12/2014 05:08:10 pm

some of the junk DNA has an epi-genome relevance...
it got labeled junk until the "on" and "off" switches
became more obvious. this almost vindicated lamarck.

Only Me
8/12/2014 05:18:40 pm

ETs play baseball?

So, do they attend training camp in Anaheim or Aldebaran? What star system or dimension does the Rally Monkey hail from?

Is the big game the World Series or the Galactic Series?

.
8/12/2014 05:29:15 pm

i think TripleSix is referring to tall humanoids that are two
legged & sapient & physical & with wings and not ethereal
overgrown sprites or a team of earth-humans with a totemic
identifier "mascot" who travels with them to sporting events.

Only Me
8/12/2014 06:08:10 pm

*SIGH*

That was the joke, ".".

666 is trying to be offensive again. I'm showing him/her I think the attempt, as adorable as it is, is made of sadness and fail.

EP
8/12/2014 06:32:26 pm

And I'm sure that "." knows a lot more about "sadness and fail" than about humor.

.
8/12/2014 06:38:01 pm

i think we are trying to civilize TripleSix and i think TripleSix

thinks he is unique and original. i think he is very young by

comparison to boomer me. he has to keep in mind that

when i hit puberty John Lennon was dropping ACID and

classic Star Trek was fighting off an inevitable cancellation.

TripleSix is trying to frost Boomer/Hippies and he is lookin'

cute and fluffy. we don't frost as fast as did the Victorians...

EP
8/12/2014 06:40:43 pm

I thought we were trying to get you to stop posting. 666's posts are easier to ignore than yours because they don't take up so much of my screen.

.
8/12/2014 06:41:06 pm

sadness and fail = lack of published manuscript

not even something vanity press. i am in awe of

Jason's ability to do tidy footnotes. he truly has to...

.
8/12/2014 06:47:29 pm

" I thought we were trying to get you to stop posting. 666's posts are easier to ignore than yours because they don't take up so much of my screen."


You want one or two liners like KIP/666 rather than crude
paragraphs i can rework so as to avoid Jason's copyright?
let alone way less postings even if i try not to sound like KIP?
admit it, KIP has a degree of charm despite his Atheism!!!

EP
8/12/2014 06:51:19 pm

No, you two are about equally charming.

.
8/12/2014 06:55:30 pm

cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/13/2014 03:50:40 am

For some reason I think that's the funniest post . has ever made.

EP
8/12/2014 03:38:32 pm

Was Scott Wolter warned in advance about The Barnes Review and participate in their conference anyway?

http://www.science-bbs.com/13-archaeology/55b2f1ee990f3031.htm

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.archaeology/gwfI40olhbQ/_RMOpvxrK2EJ

(I mean, they would have told him who else was on, right?)

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BillUSA
8/12/2014 10:30:29 pm

After reading the article, I skipped the comments to make one of my own. I already had one in mind before I started reading the second paragraph, and that is: children weren't present because even they can see through all the bullshit.

Secondly, now that some conspiracy theorist's are criticizing other conspiracy theorist's it occurred to me that the "snake" (metaphorically speaking) has begun to consume it's own tail.

Hopefully, some day, they'll all turn on each other with the same fervor as political candidates stumping for votes and expose their bunk in the process. Now THAT should make for some good theater. Or theatre.

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Steve_in_SoDak
8/13/2014 12:45:59 am

*Secondly, now that some conspiracy theorist's are criticizing other conspiracy theorist's it occurred to me that the "snake" (metaphorically speaking) has begun to consume it's own tail.

I doubt we'd be that lucky, I actually think this is why AA and In search of aliens has started branching out to things that are neither ancient or alien. They are attempting to draw all the whach jobs under one umbrella with something akin to "you believe my crap and I'll believe yours." They saw the fringe started to unravel and are circling the wagons.

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Steve_in_SoDak
8/13/2014 12:50:11 am

dang hit the wrong reply button, this is supposed to be under BillUSA's post.

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BillUSA
8/13/2014 06:57:28 am

They are attempting to draw all the whach jobs under one umbrella with something akin to "you believe my crap and I'll believe yours."

Yeah, safety in numbers sort of thing.


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