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Creationist "Bigfoot" Veterinarian Wants Cash to Sequence Nephilim "Giant" DNA

7/7/2014

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Today I have two short pieces to discuss. The first is an update on a story I’ve been following for what seems to be years now, and the second… is also very depressing.
Nephilim DNA Madness!
Remember when Ancient Aliens pundit and professional tour guide Brien Foerster took to the internet to ask for funding to conduct scientific tests on pieces of Puma Punku that he strongly implied he smuggled into the United States without the proper export permits? That was only the beginning! Foerster has been working with Melba Ketchum, a creationist veterinarian who claimed to have isolated Bigfoot DNA. Ketchum also believes that Bigfoot is a descendant of the Nephilim from Genesis 6:4. She believes that the Nephilim are closely related to—and I am not making this up—“cone heads of Peru, Sasquatch, and the red headed giants of North America that are famous in Native American legends.” Those last must be the all-male tribe of giants that had their public homosexual sodomy orgies in Peru, as Native American legends tell:
After a few years of these giants being yet in these parts, either they began missing their own women and the natural agreement of their bodies for their height, or perhaps it was due to the counsel and inducement of the accursed Devil, but they began to indulge in vice, including using one another for the heinous sin of sodomy, both grave and horrendous, which they performed and committed publicly and openly, without fear of God and little ashamed of themselves. (Pedro Cieza de León, First Part of the Chronicle of Peru, Chapter 52, my trans.)
Since God blasted them all to atoms for having too much gay sex according to this same legend, it is truly amazing that Ketchum was able to get hold of their DNA from the couple of charred bones and skulls that legend says remained!

As I reported before, the claim that Native Americans told of a race of red-haired giants stems from a single point of origin, a semi-fictitious oral legend of the Paiutes, which was manufactured out of an old book:
The original claim comes from an 1882 book by the Native American author Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins called Life among the Piutes (sic) where she describes having a dress with sewn-on locks of old red hair. There was a myth that explained this red hair, almost certainly derived from ignorance of the fact that old hair turns red or light brown with age, tied to a story of prehistoric genocide in response to cannibal attacks: “My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair. I have some of their hair, which has been handed down from father to son. I have a dress which has been in our family a great many years, trimmed with the reddish hair.”
As Adrienne Mayor showed, to this became attached supposed proof in the form of the reddish hair of the bodies found in Lovelock Cave, whose hair had faded from black to red with age, something the Paiutes took for evidence their ancestors had red hair.

As Sharon Hill of Doubtful News reported on Saturday, Ketchum is looking for $9,000 to test the DNA of “museum specimens” of elongated skulls, Sasquatch, and red-haired giants. Leaving aside the fact that the latter two haven’t been shown to exist, it remains illegal to export human remains from Peru without government permission, so where did Ketchum get the “DNA samples,” which typically require removing a tooth or bone fragments? Where is the paperwork to demonstrate that the bone fragments undergoing destructive testing entered the United State legally?

Take a look at the picture she uses to illustrate the “giants.” The lower part of the image is a mandible, which she is comparing to a dental impression of teeth and gums. They are not the same thing. One includes much more material than the other.
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"Comparison" figure on Ketchum's GoFundMe page.
Watch what happens when I drag the dental impression down onto the jaw bone. While the jaw bone’s teeth are fractionally larger (not orders of magnitude larger), both are well within the normal range for humans, roughly as different as my teeth from those of my brother, who is several inches taller than I am.
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The same image, with dental impression superimposed on mandible.
David Childress tried this fraud on Ancient Aliens, and I called him on it in 2010. I’m doing it again now: Dental impressions of the teeth and gums are not the same as the entire human mandible.

Afrocentrist Ray Hagins and His Mysterious PhD
If you aren’t interested in the world of Biblical flimflam, you may not be familiar with Ray Hagins, an Afrocentric pastor with unusual claims about Christianity and ancient history. Hagins claims, for example, that Christianity is a hoax that emerged from Egyptian religion, particularly the worship of Serapis, a claim he basis on the so-called Serapis Letter from Hadrian to Servianus in 134 CE from the Historia Augusta (Vopiscus, Life of Saturninus 8), a fourth century forgery. The quotation Hagins uses (here at 20:48), and the background for it, come verbatim from a work by Richard Proctor—whom you will remember as the astronomer who invented the myth that the Great Pyramid’s Grand Gallery was a telescope and that Proclus had recorded such facts (he did not). Here’s Proctor’s version:
“Egypt,” he [Hadrian] says in a letter to Servianus, A.D. 134, “which you commended to me, my dearest Servianus, I have found to be wholly fickle and inconstant, and continually waited about by every breath of fame. The worshippers of Serapis (here) are called Christians, and those who are devoted to the god Serapis (I find) call themselves Bishops of Christ.” It adds to the interest and oddness of this passage that it was written about four years after the probable date of the Gospel according to Mark, twenty years or so after the probable date of the Gospel according to Luke, and probably about thirty years after the time when the Gospel according to Matthew was written.
The standard translation is that of the 1932 Loeb edition, and while there is no substantive difference between them, it is telling that Hagins cites a fringe writer’s translation. The Loeb edition, better translated from the Latin, and without Proctor’s interpolations, makes the true context clear: “There those who worship Serapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis. […] Even the Patriarch himself, when he comes to Egypt, is forced by some to worship Serapis…” In context, it’s quite plain that pseudo-Hadrian isn’t saying that the Christians emerged from Serapis worship but rather had fallen into it due to corruption.

Hagins also believes that because God made magnets with opposing poles to attract homosexuality is therefore evil, as the Egyptians (!) allegedly proclaimed. He bases this on the 42 Negative Confessions, which in the version of the Papyrus of Ani lists this alongside adultery in confession 11: “I have not lain with men,” right before confessing that the deceased caused no one to cry.

Anyway, Ben Stanhope tried to find out where Hagins earned his claimed PhD in cognitive psychology. As his interesting blog post shows, there isn’t any evidence that this PhD actually exists. Stanhope ties this to a recent Inside Higher Ed article posted at Slate that I wanted to share anyway, which found that at least half of all people claiming new PhDs in the United States each year have worthless or outright bogus degrees from unaccredited schools or diploma mills, or simply fabricate the degree from whole cloth. (Cough… Sean David Morton… Cough.)
32 Comments
666
7/7/2014 04:26:39 am

>>>Christianity is a hoax that emerged from Egyptian religion<<<

Phew, Easter is Passover, and Passover is a celebration of the Exodus out of Egypt = so much also for the rubbish by Ahmed Osman

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666
7/7/2014 05:01:21 am

Dream revelations were prominent in the Cult of Sarapis, and here lies one familiarity with Christianity (eg, Acts 10: 9-32)

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888
2/14/2015 09:12:47 am

@666
Matthew Chapter 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


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Clint Knapp
7/7/2014 04:57:34 am

It's funny. Before she jumped on the Nephilim bandwagon out of the blue, Melba Ketchum had been claiming there was a strong lemur component to her human-hybrid sasquatch. Her early appearances on Coast to Coast, just after the peer-review debacle and founding of her own "journal" to publish her "results", were very low-key and bent toward this mystery primate as some sort of lemur offshoot.

I suppose when one rejects the peer-review process and is then ostracized for doing so, jumping headlong into the comforting waters of the Fringe Sea makes a lot of sense.

Amusingly, I took a moment to check out her personal website and found this puzzling quote on the About page:

"After publishing a scientific manuscript on her research into the genetics of the forest people, Melba was privy to the lore surrounding them. This prompted her to write the first installment of the Mystic Forest saga in 2013"

The summary on http://melbaketchum.com/melba_official_website_003.htm is... curious? Is that what I'm looking for? I can't tell, but I'm pretty sure it's a book about a girl falling in love with a boy raised by mystical sasquatches. At least, I hope he's not actually a sasquatch himself.

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Scott David Hamilton
7/7/2014 05:39:38 am

Actually, the angel stuff came first. It was initially leaked by bigfoot blogger (and generally horrible person) Robert Lindsay loooooong before Ketchum's study was "published." It's never been clear who Lindsay's sources in Ketchum's camp were, but everything he leaked turned out to be true. Just before the publication Facebook conversations were also leaked, in which Ketchum talked about the "impossible" and "three-strand" angel DNA she had sequenced. The publication itself didn't mention angels directly, as far as I can tell. After publication Ketchum started talking about the lemur stuff, suggesting that the pre-bigfoot unknown primate was somehow closer to a lemur, but private correspondence suggested she still meant angels/nephilim/whatever. I'm not going to pretend I understand exactly what she's getting at most of the time.

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Clint Knapp
7/7/2014 06:18:19 am

Well, I missed all of that. Thanks for the correction.

I hadn't heard her name before Coast to Coast jumped on the story, initially through second-hand sources talking about their samples being sent off to her and within weeks from the lady herself. I'll be the first to admit I try to steer well clear of the fringe elements of the Internet and find it much simpler to just sit back and let the junk come to me on the radio or this blog and a couple others. It's a fun hobby to sit back and observe the fringe goings-on, but I'll leave going in search of the crap to the Jason Colavitos of the world.

Scott Hamilton
7/8/2014 04:08:50 am

Oh, and I forgot to mention: Do not assume that the male romantic lead in Mystic Forest - Wishes is not a bigfoot. I'm pretty sure he is. And that gets to the heart of what Ketchum has been doing all along. From the beginning, her intention has been to prove Genesis 6:4 literally true, and even though she couches it in sciencey language, her belief that bigfoot is the result of an unknown primate hybridizing with human women is based on that. She even puts the verse at the beginning of Mystic Forest - Wishes. So in her mind bigfoots are angel-touched humans, and therefore sex with them isn't bestiality. I hate to bring this up, but at one point the aforementioned Robert Lindsay reported that Ketchum was telling people privately that she had been raped by a bigfoot. Being a horrible person he spent way too long discussing the exact mechanics of the situation, but as incredible as the rumor seemed, years later we have Ketchum writing a book about a young girl having a romantic relationship with a bigfoot. Make of that what you will.

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EP
7/8/2014 05:39:01 am

The obvious conclusion is that we should all donate $100 to her and get ourselves some Bigfoot Genome teeshirts.

666
7/7/2014 05:50:24 am

http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/the_ketchum_project_what_to_believe_about_bigfoot_dna_science/

The Ketchum story begins in 2008 when her lab was picked to analyze a suspected Bigfoot/yeti hair from Bhutan collected as part of Josh Gates’s adventure show, Destination Truth, which airs on the Dis­covery Channel in the U.S. Ketchum ap­peared twice on the show, in 2009 and 2010 (Season 3 numbers 9 and 12), as a forensic analyst. She then became one of the “go to” people for those who had collected DNA samples that they thought might be from a Bigfoot.

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EP
7/7/2014 08:21:20 am

Jason, you're mistaken about the 42 Negative Confessions. They do in fact mention homosexuality.

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666
7/7/2014 08:24:48 am

42 Negative Confessions - no explicit reference to homosexuality

http://archangelmichael777.wordpress.com/2011/11/19/the-42-negative-confessions-of-ancient-egypt-commandments/

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EP
7/7/2014 08:39:52 am

There are multiple versions of the 42 Negative Confessions, deriving from different Egyptian texts. Some of them do not explicitly mention homosexuality, but the others, including the one from "The Papyrus of Ani" (which has more claim to being canonical than some of the other sources), do explicitly mention homosexuality or "laying with men" (Confession 11 in "The Papyrus of Ani").

It is, therefore, incorrect to say, as Jason did, that the 42 Negative Confessions "do not actually mention homosexuality".

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7/7/2014 10:34:12 am

Thanks, EP. The text I read didn't have it in there, and I wasn't aware of which text said so. That's what I get for not being an expert on every ancient text! I'll update and correct.

EP
7/7/2014 02:12:52 pm

Any time!

By the way, it's not clear whether (and if so, to what extent) the various Confessions lists were meant to be custom-tailored to their respective intended utterers in the afterlife. Since we know that different segments of ancient Egyptian society had different codes of conduct and sets of taboos, it is entirely consistent with our textual evidence that homosexuality was not in fact universally proscribed. It could have been proscribed only, say, among the priesthood and others with functions considered divine.

666
7/8/2014 01:13:47 am

Hey, different generations of priesthoods within any religions reviewed and amended beliefs to conform with their respective personalities.

This is what makes book like "The Orion Mystery" utter junk.

666
7/7/2014 08:49:28 am

http://www.touregypt.net/negativeconfessions.htm#ixzz2gDhxzdWy.

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666
7/7/2014 09:04:37 am

Easier on the eyes

http://reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/negative_confessions/index.html

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JaredMithrandir link
7/7/2014 04:38:12 pm

Most Creationists just believe Bigfoot is probably something like Gigantopithicus.

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JaredMithrandir link
7/7/2014 04:59:28 pm

Go to my Tumblr, which is my website link, and I've posted recently on why Creationist should actually embrace Homosexuality.

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666
7/7/2014 10:30:47 pm

Perhaps Jesus and his disciples were all homosexuals

Deryn Guest, Robert Goss, Mona West, Thomas Bohache (editors), "The Queer Bible Commentary" (SCM Press, 2006)

But I doubt it. The essential documents of The New Testament all date from the Second Century AD, and the epistles have in all probability all been tampered with - the earliest surviving epistles of Paul only date from the 3rd century AD, and the most complete versions of them are the Bodmer Papyri.

Again, Jesus is probably just a phantom of the mind that was later developed into a historical being by second generation Christianity.



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666
7/7/2014 10:33:27 pm

Don't get too worked up over the Jesus - Pilate episode, that's probably all made up. The Gnostics dismissed it.

CFH
7/7/2014 06:34:55 pm

The ancient formerly extinct Polar Bear species that has turned up in The Himalayas via DNA testing of "Yeti" hair puts to bed all the crazy theories I think.

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A.D.
7/8/2014 04:27:27 pm

“cone heads of Peru, Sasquatch, and the red headed giants of North America that are famous in Native American legends.”


these are all just code words for "ancient white people" in america.i'm not buying the biblical spin.it's all lies by these con men and typical of them trying to trick the stupid with the lame trick with the dental impression.but people are dumb enough to believe it

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A.D.
7/8/2014 04:47:55 pm

If you've been following foerster he's added his own spin to it.He believe these people were "white" polynesians and he invented a fake scenario where the "white polynesian" paracas culture were "exterminated" by the nazca.Obviously a moundbuilder myth throwback there with some thor heryerdhal spice.

I told you about his manipulation of the Fehren-Schmitz et al. 2009 study

Elongated Human Skulls Of Peru: At Ideacity 2014 In Toronto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUng0wLijZY Ancient


http://hiddenincatours.com/the-mysterious-red-haired-mummies-of-the-coast-of-peru/


He outright LIED about the Fehren-Schmitz et al. 2009 study as the paper is actually consistent with the beringian hypothesis as the Nasca and Paracas remains carried the typical Amerindian founder haplogroups.


He has lied about and changed his story about the nazca period not practicing cranial deformation which is false.I guess it goes with the territory of pseudo history and chicanery

Ancient Murder Mystery - Riddle of the Cone Shaped Skulls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzaL4NT0JKg

Funny how none of these snake oil salesmen ever bother to ask people who actually study these archaeological sites in their careers.

con men

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spookyparadigm
7/10/2014 05:16:25 am

White Polynesians? So pretty much early Heyerdahl before he got cleaned up. I had thought Foerster was all about aliens (he angrily denied being about Nephilim, even as he makes youtube videos of himself working/touring with a Nephilim researcher), but I guess not.

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A.D.
7/10/2014 09:03:10 am

around 1:45:0

Ancient Civilisations, Brien Foerster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roX__kFKUjo

A.D.
7/10/2014 09:19:02 am

He talks about caring about these people but why the hell is he trying to rob them of their accomplishments and assign it to europeans?He and the rest of the clown brigade don't seem be bothered by this.It's a feel good pseudo science much like afrocentrism,which funny enough foerster hints when he mentions the "negroid" olmec heads.But that part is just a proxy as hanhock used as a wedge to push "caucasians" in that area as well.It's the same thing over and over again but rehashed with a few changes.Hancock is a Atlantis fairy tale believe dispite his constant denial of it so is foerster as he mentions the "lost" continent of "mu" in that video

Pseudo history has an ugly origin and these ideas still linger in the fringe/fake history camp.They aren't aware of it or don't care of the racism involved in it

Kat
7/10/2014 08:06:49 am

The most telling line of all this nonsense is the lady posting the original story claims to have been abducted and molested by a bigfoot. Yeah, that tells you how credible and sane she is. Ya think. If they're supposed to be 7 feet tall or more, how is that even physically possible? And there's no way to test Nephilim DNA because they're mythical. Might as well test for unicorn DNA. Bigfoot is also...mythical.

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A.D.
7/10/2014 09:21:23 am

It's all a scam they are running.It's been around for years.They want fame.money,the works.Snakeoil salesmen.Lloyd Pye..same old same old.

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A.D.
7/10/2014 09:24:09 am

What really gets me is the number of gullible people that believe this garbage.Some are obvious racist from looking at their channels

The amount of views on these videos and the low I.Q. comments are telling.Don't bother reading them as you'll lose I.Q. points

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Duke of URL
7/13/2014 09:43:25 am

"If they're supposed to be 7 feet tall or more, how is that even physically possible?"
Um... I take it you've never seen any of the news reports about basketball players raping women?

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