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Cryopreservation in Atlantis and This Week's Other Bad Ideas from Britain

9/2/2016

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Since it’s the Friday before a holiday weekend, I know there’s a good chance that relatively few people will be reading this today. So I thought I’d start with something weird. Over in the Atlantic there is a bizarre article on how the idea of the multiverse is destroying culture, written by Sam Kriss, a British writer for Vice and other outlets who recently published a Wired story claiming that Neil deGrasse Tyson “sucks the fun” out of life. Kriss claims on his Idiot Joy Showland to “hate intellectuals” and advocates re-enchanting the world by abandoning scientific truth for a more emotionally satisfying worldview, and yet major magazines still publish his poorly constructed cris de coeur. 
Anyway, the Atlantic gave him space (in their science section!) to rant about the multiverse, and his argument boils down to his conviction that scientists who support the multiverse hypothesis do so out of religious faith—not anything like messy “math,” which he considers elitist. But their atheist religion destroys ethics because the multiverse posits that every binary decision’s two potential outcomes occur in some universe:
There’s nothing wrong with faith, but if it’s not recognized for what it is then monsters start to spawn, not in some distant reality, but right here. No religion is complete without a moral code, but how do you live ethically in our shapeless foam of worlds, invisible to telescopes but throbbing close at the moment of every decision? […] If there’s a divine hand that chooses, or a cleavage in the universe that delivers both results, then there’s some kind of order in the universe. The multiverse excuses every injustice; it’s all been made good somewhere else, in the static infinity of the possible.
I would posit that it is not the job of the universe to care about your ethics. Ethics do not exist in the laws of nature, and therefore they, like any construct, are of no concern to quantum physics. We may not like it, but it is folly to try to assume that physical reality should support a particular human belief in a given time and place.
 
Due to this fundamental error that physics should be the arbiter not of is but ought, Kriss’s amateur philosophizing becomes tediously dull. He argues that the existence of other universes means that “we” become complacent because some other version of us has already achieved every possible good, so “we” don’t have to. Hogwash. Any other being similar to me is, obviously, not me in the sense that I have no knowledge of him, and I did not have the experience and gained nothing from it.
 
His argument, in essence, is that the multiverse idea is ridiculous because it is ethically and aesthetically bankrupt, and gives succor to morons who believe in the Mandela Effect, so therefore we should restore God to a role micromanaging quantum uncertainty. God, he says, is functionally no different from quantum physics, but gives us ethics and aesthetics.
 
That is such a shapeless, sophomoric argument that it is all but self-refuting. The illogic is obvious. The Atlantic should be ashamed.
 
Speaking of shameful: A writer over at Ancient Origins is recycling an old idea he didn’t realize was old.  Novelist, British TV presenter, and fringe history fiction and non-fiction writer Stewart Ferris has an article speculating that the people of Atlantis engaged in cryopreservation by shooting dead people into outer space. This, he said, is the origin of Egyptian mummification, which imitates the form but misunderstands why pharaohs’ souls went “to the stars.”
The Atlantians were said to have looked beyond our atmosphere for the answer to eternal ultra-low temperatures needed for cryo-preservation. They might have used rocketry to send mummified bodies to the outer reaches of the solar system, and this is what their descendants, the Egyptians, tried symbolically to emulate, thinking their dead would go on a journey to the stars.
No one in ancient or medieval times said anything about the Atlanteans cryopreserving their dead.
 
This claim, however, is not new. It seems to derive from a related claim proposed by Alan Landsburg in The Outer Space Connection (1975) movie and companion book. There, Landsburg alleged that the Maya misunderstood the idea of cryogenic freezing and therefore thought that the world would end in 2011, when frozen aliens would thaw out again. Early episodes of Ancient Aliens built upon this foundation to suggest that mummification is a memory of stasis chambers or cryopreservation. Similarly, the “stasis chambers” of the Anunnaki follow the same pattern. The only difference is that Ferris speculates that Graham Hancock’s lost civilization, rather than space aliens, was behind the effort.
 
I am surprised, constantly, that the speculators on ancient history can’t cite medieval texts that would actually support their speculations, like this passage from al-Maqrizi on what the Arabs found when they opened the Great Pyramid: “They entered the central chamber in which were three transparent and luminous stone beds and on these three beds lay three bodies covered with three robes. Near the head of each was a book in unknown characters” (Al Khitat 1.40, my trans.).
 
Oh, well. It isn’t my place to make his argument for him. After all, he’s been on TV. Apparently that’s a free pass to avoid needing evidence.
19 Comments
DaveR
9/2/2016 10:43:02 am

There's some guy claiming to be able to mentally transport himself to his other beings in other dimensions and then return with their knowledge. He says he's learned how to paint, play instruments, and gain great knowledge of physics my going to worlds where his other selves are experts in these fields. And, of course, he'll teach you how to do it, for a price.

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Shane Sullivan
9/2/2016 11:38:06 am

Is his name Randolph Carter?

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DaveR
9/2/2016 02:04:17 pm

Burt Goldman, he calls it Quantum Jumping.

DaveR
9/2/2016 02:42:51 pm

I totally missed the Randolph Carter reference, good one.

While Quantum Jumping he would need some kind of time traveling holographic image that only can see helping him to guide him with his tasks in any given alternate universe.

Bob Jase
9/2/2016 02:47:23 pm

John Carter's illegitimate nephew?

Only Me
9/2/2016 10:51:26 am

Sounds to me like Kriss's head would explode if he considered the many-worlds interpretation. You know, everything that could possibly have happened—but not limited to only choices—is represented by a separate universe where that possibility *did* happen.

Atlanteans sending their dead into space on rockets? Sounds like we have a new fringe interpretation for Pacal's sarcophagus lid! Take that Ancient Aliens!

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V
9/2/2016 11:43:35 am

Personally, I object to the multiverse hypothesis because it's untestable. Untestable hypotheses are kind of useless and bad science. You can make math say anything, really, if you put in the right premises to start with; that doesn't make that math actually describe reality. And the whole multiverse concept relies on some premises that may not be true as much as ones that are known to be true, which means that we may be seeing a GIGO situation. Especially when other hypotheses that don't include multiverses ALSO have tidy math going on.

To me, multiverse is a wonderful storytelling device, especially the way Robert Heinlein did it, but that'all, right now.

....and as a storyteller, and using that device, I would refute this man SO HARD about his conclusions. Science isn't about ethics, SCIENTISTS are about ethics. Look at the history of science, mister. It should tell you that SO obviously! Ethics are not a requirement for science to be TRUE, either. Physics doesn't give a shit if you stab a guy in the chest because he's threatening you or because you just feel like it, that knife is going to cut through flesh either way.

You want religion. Go find some religion and stay out of the science pool!

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Charles Gaulke
9/2/2016 12:43:25 pm

The thing is, it isn't really "the multiverse hypothesis". A multiverse is just one of the implications of the same math that, in certain versions of QM and/or String/Brane Theory, seems to be an accurate description of our own universe - and it doesn't seem to be neatly removable from those models. That particular implication would seem to be untestable, but that doesn't mean the whole theory is "religion" rather than (admittedly speculative) science.

And just because it's not physically testable doesn't mean it's not useful for trying to understand the theories in question, and see if, for example, they're internally consistent. The point is to work through the actual math, rather than having the poorly defined philosophy jam sesh Kriss seems more comfortable with.

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V
9/3/2016 02:45:41 pm

Actually, my "You want religion" remark was aimed at the twatwaffle who thinks that God must be a more acceptable scientific hypothesis than multiverse because Religion. I specifically did NOT say, nor even imply, that MULTIVERSE HYPOTHESES are religion. He brought an irrelevant variable into the discussion--ethics are not necessary for science to function, and I refuted his conclusion that because multiverse "has no ethics" that it couldn't be science. I don't know how you got out of that "multiverse is a religion."

And yes, I am actually aware that 1. there are multiple types of multiverse hypotheses--or speculative descriptions, since they're not hypotheses if they're untestable, and 2. that there are actually other hypotheses whose math works equally well that are NOT multiverse speculations.

You can make math work for a lot of things that aren't actually true. Every childhood word problem is making math describe something that isn't actually happening. Math only indicates that it COULD happen, not that it IS happening. Which is why testing is so important, and that anything that is untestable is never going to be "good science."

The various multiverse concepts, I am aware, have their passionately-devoted followers. But until someone finds a way to actually test them? They're not something to take with the kind of seriousness this nutjob has.

Shane Sullivan
9/2/2016 11:48:26 am

It's sad that Sam Kriss feels that way. If he can't love a multiverse that manifests both infinite good and infinite evil, then how could he possibly bring himself to love something so inherently flawed as a *person*?

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Ken
9/2/2016 12:17:54 pm

I tire of all this talk of math, logic, philosophy and reading of books.

Instead I will spend the day in pursuit of real truth - watching AA re-runs on the History Channel.

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DaveR
9/2/2016 02:17:35 pm

Don't forget to watch some monster quest and ghost hunters to round out your educational pursuits.

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Naughtius
9/2/2016 12:46:59 pm

Didn't the Turtle and It come from the multi verse?

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Only Me
9/2/2016 02:26:14 pm

IIRC, the Turtle and It lie beyond the universe.

The Turtle represents creation and supposedly vomited our universe into existence because it "had a bellyache." It represents destruction, always consuming.

It liked to believe it had always existed, but began having doubts as to whether or not there might be some even higher power above itself. Maybe it was due to the Turtle eventually dying.

I especially liked how King described the Turtle as having galaxies swirling within its toenails. In fact, the whole mind/spirit battle between the main characters and It was really well done.

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Clint Knapp
9/2/2016 09:36:15 pm

Behold the turtle of enormous girth, on his shell he holds the Earth. His thoughts are slow, but always kind. He holds us all within his mind.

In later novels in the Dark Tower series, King turned the Turtle into one of the twelve guardians at the portals at the ends of the Beams that tie his own multiverse together. Sort of a sub-deity supporting Gan, the Tower itself.

Donald Givens
9/3/2016 12:32:46 pm

Behold, rubbish.

Bob Jase
9/2/2016 02:49:36 pm

"the people of Atlantis engaged in cryopreservation by shooting dead people into outer space. This, he said, is the origin of Egyptian mummification,"

Do any of these fringe types know that there are plenty of natural mummies in museums?

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delete this message
9/2/2016 02:53:19 pm

Yes, they do.

Apparently you have not attended any of their conferences

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Jim
9/2/2016 07:20:39 pm

Oooooh, perhaps cryopreservation chambers from Atlantis explains the whole chem-trail thing.

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