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David Icke Makes Angry Appearance on Australia's "Today" Show, Doesn't Take Well to Being Challenged

7/15/2016

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Yesterday morning Australian time, conspiracy theorist David Icke appeared on the Nine Network’s Today show to discuss his upcoming tour of Australia, and things did not go according to plan. Icke seemed agitated and combative, and his nearly obsessive insistence on repeating a few fixed talking points without seeming to be able to go off script eventually left the normally genial presenters, Karl Stefanovic and Lisa Wilkinson, dumbfounded and exasperated. In other words, it was a great seven minutes of television.
The results of Icke’s appearance were especially surprising since Stefanovic is, to put it bluntly, a bit of a space cadet himself and has repeatedly expressed interest in UFOs, the paranormal, and other unusual phenomena. “I love these theories, but I’m not slugging people a hundred bucks to listen to my rubbish,” Stefanovic said, taking issue with the steep charge for tickets to Icke’s speaking engagements, which run up to $100 Australian ($76 US) for a twelve-hour lecture. (Maybe that is high in Australia, but that is right in range for a 90 minute rock concert here.) Icke reminded the hosts that the ticket price funds “a whole team of people” who travel with him around the world to produce his stage show. Of course, this doesn’t quite make the case that “they” don’t want you to know what Icke has to say, but… details!
 
Icke then told the hosts that they likely earn much more money than he does.
 
From the get-go Icke was in a bad mood, starting his appearance by informing the hosts that his audience have self-respect and plan to do their own research without the news media telling them what to believe. He was already angry, a sure-fire method for winning new fans.
 
It was particularly interesting to see that Icke is leaning more into the ancient astronaut hypothesis thanks to the success of Ancient Aliens, and he repeatedly referenced claims from ancient astronaut hypotheses. Since he was in Australia, he discussed what he believes to be Aboriginal Australian contact with extraterrestrial beings. Ancient Aliens just did an hour on the same subject, though as a Brit Icke probably hasn’t seen that episode yet.
 
What was quite clear, though, is that Icke has a series of memorized speeches that he uses, and he is not very good with extemporaneous discussion. In response to questions, he launches into prepared lectures that are so familiar that even I—who has barely listened to Icke at any length—have already heard more than once, particularly his noxious line about how what he wrote about in his books in the 1990s is now “being read” on the news today, a line I’ve heard in at least three different recent Icke appearances, each time repeated virtually verbatim.
 
Wilkinson asked Icke to discuss his belief that the moon is a hollow space station, and this is where the problems really started. Icke began as he always does with his usual speech about the way the hypothesis was first proposed by Soviet scientists in a “detailed” scientific account. Just for those keeping track at home, the hypothesis was proposed by Soviet scientists, but not as an area of academic inquiry. Mikhail Vasin and Alexander Shcherbakov published speculation about a hollow moon in 1967 in the propaganda journal Sputnik, aimed at a Western audience. Their claim was intended, along with other Soviet ancient astronaut articles of the time, to undermine Western religious values, but by 1968 the Soviet Academy of Sciences changed their official line and closed down ancient astronaut speculation, having done their job of seeding Western publications with ancient astronaut theories, a propaganda coup for Soviet atheism.
 
Wilkinson noted that the scientists were Soviets, with the (correct) implication that their work cannot necessarily be trusted. Icke countered that the was “a book written some years ago, again by serious people, called Who Built the Moon?, which was breaking down all the extraordinary anomalies that relate to the moon” Does that sound familiar? It should. That book isn’t a scientific work at all but a poorly researched pile of speculation by Alan Butler and Christopher Knight, who speculated about how the moon might have been the work of time traveling Freemasons.
 
Yes, Alan Butler is now David Icke’s “serious” source for his major claim that the moon is artificial.
 
Wilkinson asked Icke to explain how the lunar space station was parked in orbit around the Earth, and Icke nearly lost it because he wasn’t prepared to be asked a factual question. “It was moved,” he said, nonsensically. Thrown off his game, Icke started to spout random rhetorical questions to cover his ignorance of his own claims: “How does a spacecraft move?” he demanded. “You’re the one with the theory, not me!” Wilkinson said in response. “You don’t even know what my theories are,” Icke replied, while refusing to actually explain his ideas in any practical way.
 
Stefanovic stepped in to save Icke by asking him about aliens, but even he had to note that Icke gets “very defensive” about his claims. “No, I get exasperated,” Icke responded. He went on to attack the mainstream media and announced that he felt the interview was a joke. 

On social media, fans of Icke criticized the Today interview as disrespectful and an example of the mainstream media attempting to suppress the truth by intentionally making Icke look ridiculous.
25 Comments
Terry
7/15/2016 10:30:52 am

He hasn't aged well. He looks more reptilian than any of his targets.

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Only Me
7/15/2016 10:37:29 am

That last paragraph...pretty much the default position of the fringe and its fanbase. It's *never* the "messenger's" fault. Too bad Icke's fans can't acknowledge his bank account grows fatter off their gullibility.

I'll take this interview as more proof of why fringe theorists won't debate members of the scientific community. When you have memorized prepared speeches with no flexibility for questioning, yeah...

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Time Machine
7/15/2016 11:53:43 am

>>>paranormal, and other unusual phenomena<<<

Not exactly missing from the pages of the Bible.

The belief in the paranormal and other unusual phenomena is basic required belief for the average churchgoer.

And then there are the psychologists like Charles Tart and Allen Spraggett who equally believe in such things.

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Time Machine
7/15/2016 11:55:09 am

Homo Sapiens of the species cannot exist without believing in the irrational and the supernatural. The existence of religion is paramount.

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Rose McDonald
7/16/2016 11:35:43 am

Time Machine: Speak for yourself. Most rational people don't feel a need for a fairy godfather or godmother in the sky. The existence of religion is, at best, extraneous, a scheme devised by those too lazy to produce anything practical or useful for their society.

Rick
7/17/2016 08:34:55 am

That's interesting about being to lazy. I always thought that those who categorically eliminate one or the other, science or religion, which both have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of documents and critical research to read based on one line of reasoning as cognitive laziness. While one person smugly refutes one or the other then condescendingly puts down the other side, I find myself wading into both working at a national laboratory in science (plasma physics everyday)yet finding time to study religion while dealing with the inevitable conflicts which arise. I have always thought that it's truly a work in expanding ones mind to study that which they believe and that which they know, and finding middle ground. To simply say either I'm a man of science or I'm a man of religion without serious academic study of the both I consider cognitive laziness. Much like I am starting to study the Koran and it's history, because to simply regurgitate what others are saying without coming to either that or my own conclusion is in my mind cognitive laziness.

Kathleen
7/17/2016 10:01:07 am

"methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God." (CCC 159)

Some religions embrace and expect the pursuit reason and science.

terry the censor
7/18/2016 02:12:25 pm

Allen Spraggett was a psychologist? When?

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flip
7/15/2016 01:34:13 pm

$60 AUD is the high-end of regular tickets for performances here with $120 usually for especially big-name shows (ie superstar singers at stadium events and the best seats at theatres). So about equal to your American rock shows. I actually found a site that was selling tickets for $120-150 AUD which sounds far more expensive than most people might spend. The venues look to be pretty expensive to hire too so that's probably where the bulk of the money is going, along with travel and accommodation, rather than his entourage. (He needs a crew for a lecture? I can understand maybe having an assistant, but what's he doing that he needs a crew?) $100 sounds reasonable for a 12 hour lecture I suppose, depending of course, on the quality. It's a bit much but I guess if you think of it in terms of doing a one-day crash course in something it might be worth it. On the other hand, if it's just one long rambling speech and a bunch of merchandise and food on sale at exorbitant prices in the breaks, it could just be a great way to get bored expensively.

Surprised the Today show was 'hard hitting'. They're a grip-and-grin fluff show, designed to pad morning news with puff pieces marketing whatever gadget/show/whatever they give air time to. They're so light on the guests they really ought to have a banner warning on the screen saying that it's "advertising content".

Actually considering how softball the show is, it could be taken as a sign that Icke simply sucks at doing any self promotion outside his own bubble of fans.

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TheBigMike
7/15/2016 02:29:18 pm

Here's the issue I have with the cost of this thing: it's not what he wants it to be.
Okay, so $100 may not be outrageous for 12 hours of entertainment. In fact, I think that's actually kind of reasonable. A 12-hour concert, music fest, even 12-hour comedy festival for $100 would be perfectly fine.

Icke wants to pretend that this thing is an educational presentation and wants it to be taken seriously.

The university I work for is putting on a Symposium on human Trafficking. There are hundreds of people involved (including myself. I'm hosting a round-table on trauma recovery and treatment options.). The cost per person for this massive educational symposium that runs from 8 am until 5 pm (9 hours) is: $15 for non-students, free for students.

Icke wants the prestige and recognition of an academic event but the monetary income of an entertainment event. THAT is why I consider Icke's charge to be outrageously expensive.

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flip
7/19/2016 10:01:09 pm

The university is likely subsidising the true cost of organising such an event to make tickets more affordable. Ask anyone in the arts, they'll tell you that without major sponsorship, an event can't make a profit all that easily. That's why big concerts cost so much: venue hire alone could break the bank.

DaveR
7/15/2016 01:47:18 pm

So according to fans of Icke, his being asked specific questions pertinent to his theories that he cannot answer reflects a deliberate attempt by the media to suppress the truth.

In reality it was Icke suppressing the truth for failing to answer the questions.

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Ph
7/15/2016 03:03:01 pm

That was actually fun to watch
It had the feeling of an alpha lioness savagely devouring on old ox while the pride watches and occassionally help to wound.
I really enjoyed that one.

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Bob Jase
7/15/2016 03:10:22 pm

"Icke has a series of memorized speeches that he uses, and he is not very good with extemporaneous discussion."

Robots are like that.

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Shane Sullivan
7/15/2016 06:05:15 pm

That's the Turing test in a nutshell.

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crainey
7/15/2016 03:37:55 pm

I found myself paying more attention to the hyperactive graphics in the background than the actual conversation. And why was Obama standing next to an alien? It's like he was looking over Icke's shoulder the whole time!

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Kathleen
7/15/2016 03:59:32 pm

Yeah, that was distracting and creepy. I am not sure if Obama was looking at me or at Icke, but his expression was like he was saying "You're an idiot, change the channel!" And who provided those graphics, the station or Icke? The connection escapes me.

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Jason Colavito link
7/15/2016 04:28:14 pm

Icke is a conspiracy theorist. The Nine graphics were meant to illustrate various conspiracies--the Illuminati, the U.S. government, space aliens, etc.

Kathleen
7/16/2016 12:28:43 pm

I watched the video again, and other than the flying saucer on a string driving me crazy, I wondered why he used American conspiracies as examples. As a Brit being interviewed on Australian TV, I would think he would use something more ethnocentric such as the queen being a reptilian or the Australian government finding Atlantis while searching for the lost Malaysian air flight. Why the focus on the American government?

hauntedserenity
7/15/2016 10:41:50 pm

With all the recent bad news in the world, this bit was needed.

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Rose McDonald
7/16/2016 11:44:01 am

Sounds to me as though the former footballer and Son of the Godhead, played a bit too much football without a helmet. I've noticed over the years that the people who become the most hostile and defensive about their hypotheses are invariably the least sure of their foundation material. if they have any.

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Rotty Scoberts
7/16/2016 03:01:33 pm

Jesse Ventura (another conspiracy nut) nailed Icke from the start. As I recall, Icke got quite nasty then too.

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Killbuck
7/17/2016 11:46:44 pm

I watched the video, and say huzza to the hosts for asking the simple questions like where's your evidence?

Icke was embarrassingly arrogant

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Anon
7/24/2016 05:33:17 pm

Christopher Monckton In Extraordinary Attack On David Icke On The Richie Allen Show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCk8k-u2Hnk

Two fuckwits butt heads about another fuckwit.

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justanotherskeptic
10/9/2016 01:57:11 pm

Icke sounds a lot like Trump.

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