David Wilcock Claims an Evil "Cabal" of Aliens and Democrats Are Trying to Stop Trump from Defeating Evil, Revealing Truth about Atlantis

2/17/2017

It’s been a couple of weeks since we last had Atlantis news—back when National Geographic turned the lost continent into a proto-Jewish paradise—so we are about due for more Atlantis claims. This week we have two of them. The first, and less bonkers of them, comes to us via Ancient Origins, where Phil Flambas tells us that he believes that Atlantis was located in the Caribbean, in the parts of the sea floor that were above water during the last Ice Age. We’ve heard this claim before, and there is really nothing new to it except that Flambas wants us to believe that he reached his conclusion by taking Plato literally. “I have spent six years researching all of Plato’s descriptions in the Timaeus and Critias as being true and precise.” That’s great, but Plato said that Atlantis had elephants in it, and the Caribbean, so far as I know, has no evidence of elephants, or even mammoths and mastodons, in it. I assume he would argue that we simply haven’t found them yet, or that Atlantis extended into the mammoths’ Mexican range, but it would be helpful for there to be some sort of evidence for a lost city in the area c. 9600 BCE.

Flambas’s argument, though, is practically scientific compared to the bizarre cash grab that David Wilcock made this week and the Conscious Life Expo. On February 13, Wilcock presented a live event in which he detailed alleged evidence that the Atlantis was located in Antarctica, a claim that he says in a blog post this week that a benevolent conspiracy called the Alliance plans to reveal to the public soon. “We have been given an ‘assignment’ from certain Alliance factions to reveal as many details of this planned disclosure event in advance as possible,” he wrote in advanced of the event.

Wilcock’s cosmic vision is Manichean, and it bears a very close resemblance to August Derleth’s revision of Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos. The “Alliance” are the “good” alien conspirators and their human allies, the equivalent of the Elder Gods in Derleth’s Mythos. They battle a “Cabal” of evil alien and human conspirators, the equivalent of Derleth’s Old Ones.

Wilcock charged $144 for streaming access to three on-stage Antarctica speeches, and he also offered an optional $267 ticket for “premium” access. Nothing says that Wilcock is working hard to change the world and benefit all humanity like charging $267 to hear evidence that the rest of us will supposedly hear anyway in a few days.

According to posts on Wilcock’s Facebook page, the Expo’s servers crashed due to the volume of viewers attempting to access the site during Wilcock’s speech.

Wilcock said that “I understand not everyone can afford to participate,” so he promised to provide some additional free content after working on a few more money-making cash-grabs, including the Expo, his Gaia TV subscription streaming program, and Ancient Aliens tapings.

On his webpage, Wilcock outlined very briefly some of what he planned to discuss in his speech and PowerPoint-style slideshow. “In this stunning talk we will trace the half-million-year history of the Pre-Adamites, see pictures of their ruins in our solar system, and learn how they crashed to Earth as the ‘Fallen Angels.’” I’m sure you see the close connection between this claim and the cosmic history offered by Theosophy, which similarly spoke of ancient entities from other worlds, vast cosmic timelines, and how the fallen angels were really remnants of lost pre-Adamite races. It’s Blavatsky warmed over.

It’s the same material he has been spewing for a few months now about how the lost stone city of the Elder Things is being excavated by a coalition of world governments as part of a plot tied to the Nephilim and space aliens. I discussed this before, and it is no surprise that Wilcock continues to double down on his phony claims, even when they are demonstrably false. For example, he once alleged that Newt Gingrich traveled to the city on behalf of the Trump Administration. As a public figure, his whereabouts are known, and Antarctica was not on the agenda during the period in question. He makes much of then-Secretary of State John Kerry’s trip to Antarctica, which he wrongly said occurred on Election Day, and he neglects to note that Kerry was in public view and never near an ancient lost city.

In his comments on his blog, Wilcock returned to his claim that the Pizzagate conspiracy is real, that Democratic politicians are in league with the Illuminati, Nephilim, and evil space aliens, and that Donald Trump is an agent of the good angels/aliens (though he is backing away from the angel claim now) in the quest to destroy the evil Democratic demons:

There are hundreds of indications that the Alliance military faction is directly working with Trump. We were leaking this intel through[h]out all of 2016. […] One of the giveaways that the Cabal is in serious trouble is that the mainstream media has shed all pretenses of journalistic objectivity, and descended into stunningly blatant bias against the new administration. Never before have we seen such universally one-sided coverage. It is very obvious that the media is trying to anger the public directly into a Civil War level of unrest. I doubt it will actually work, but the plan is obvious.

He then argues that the liberal / demon / alien Cabal are “sore losers” who are creating mass disaster events to get back at Trump for seizing their secret underground bases. He alleged that the potential failure of the Oroville Dam in California was instigated by the Cabal to damage Trump and the Alliance.

37 Comments

Scott David Hamilton

2/17/2017 11:18:31 am

The Cabal can't be that smart if they instigated a disaster in the state Trump has threatened to "defund" rather than one that contains more of Trump's base. Politics is hard, especially if you're a demon.

Kathleen

2/17/2017 11:41:22 am

Your last sentence made my skin crawl. It reminds me of the preacher who said that AIDS was God's punishment for homosexuality.

BigNick

2/17/2017 11:51:44 am

So when a president from a new party wins the election, the aliens abandon their secret bases. That's no way to wage a war. Are all of the secret bases in America? Did the good aliens or bad aliens win Brexit? What about local elections?
The part that annoys me is the lack of effort with theses wackos. If I were to claim the dam failing was retaliation for the election, then I would connect it to 9/11 right after W was elected. And to Clinton pulling out of Somalia after he was elected. Evil aliens- Democrats- Muslim extremists. This isn't that hard. I might need to write a book

Jason Colavito link

2/17/2017 12:24:00 pm

Wilcock claims that the conspirators "botched" 9/11.

Americanegro

2/17/2017 02:07:18 pm

Jason I hope you will turn your attention to 911 at some point. Even if you buy the official story there was some botching, Flight 93 for example. And of course the delayed falling down of Tower 7.

"As a public figure, his whereabouts are known, and Antarctica was not on the agenda during the period in question."

Antarctica is largely served by military transport and it seems unlikely that anyone here is privy to New Gingrich's dayplanner. Not arguing the nonsense, arguing the reasoning. For example, where is Johnny Depp right now? How do we know? You may be too young to remember Kissinger's secret negotiations with the Chinese which spawned the Moorer-Radford Affair which tangentially connects to Watergate. Or for that matter the Teheran Conference.

The better question is where was Fletcher Prouty the week before Kennedy was assassinated? Fun answer: Antarctica.

2/17/2017 04:47:51 pm

Oh goody, a truther. So edgy.

2/17/2017 05:00:14 pm

So you deny the collapse of Building 7 and the crash of Flight 93?

How edgy. Take it up with CNN and the U.S. government. If you want to argue that those things didn't happen, have at it.

If "truther" means "kind of interested in the truth" then yeah, badge of honor. Edgier than you'll ever know, Sunshine.

2/18/2017 03:38:08 am

"The delayed falling down of Tower 7" was a matter of basic physics, dude. When you damage a structure in one place, it creates additional strain on the rest. Try standing up, then lifting one leg off the floor. The other leg will start to hurt fairly quickly, as well as you being rather unstable. But you're not falling over immediately, because you've still got SOME support. If you stand there long enough with one leg raised, you WILL start to fall, though. And the leg you've been standing on will hurt. A lot. You can do the same thing with a Lego house--build it on four pillars, several bricks high each. Then remove one pillar and step back. It won't fall immediately, but you can time it--it WILL fall eventually.

As for Flight 93, NONE of those claims stand up to scrutiny. NONE of them. The only "botching" is on the part of people who don't want to believe that anyone could actually attack MURCA! Even though it's actually happened dozens of times over our history.

As for Newt Gingrich, well, if the man was making appearances within the US during the time in question, then he wasn't in Antarctica. If Johnny Depp is filming on location in the Caribbean, then he's not skiing in northern California. Pretty simple stuff, you know. It's not necessary to have someone's day planner if you have photographs of them somewhere NOT where they're alleged to have been. Also, Kissinger was assuredly known to have not been in DC while he was in China, it just wasn't known WHERE he had gone. Not the same thing as "we know the man was over there, how could he have been here at the same time?"

I think a lot of your conspiracies stem from ignorance, in the literal sense--there seem to be a lot of things you don't even know that you should or could know, and your conspiracies only make sense if you don't know there's holes in them.

At Risk

2/17/2017 12:41:20 pm

I suggest that folks watch Fox News if they want something closer to the truth about our society's current unrest. Most of the other news outlets are still exhibiting bitter remorse that their crooked star went off-course. Even Hollywood suck-up's didn't stop the tide emerging behind Trump...and now they're pissy and groaning over their loss.

Kind of like here, maybe. Here, we seem to be seeing Democrats trying to deal with and get over the impressive win. Heavily included and represented: academia, science, skepticism and the resultant damage.

Looking deeper into this problem, we have biased bloggers representing Democrats and science and academia, thinking of themselves as professional skeptics, and unerring for the most part,. But, in my opinion, some of these Democrat skeptics can be as damaging to society as the huckster's profiled here. Far-left-leaning mixed with "academic" skepticism can distort history going back hundreds of years as much as today, and it's always a struggle for someone like me.

It's always a struggle to parse this combination of overt skepticism and outright foolishness, when important considerations get lost...considerations leading to historical accuracy and truth, which we should all be keen on.

As examples, both the Kensington Runestone and the Newport Tower have in the past, and are currently, caught up in this struggle between skepticism and foolishness. We are still seeing this struggle as skeptics try to turn a medieval fortified round church into a mill with a fireplace. Why are the Tower's legs set at the cardinal points, such as with churches in medieval Europe?

Foolishness is as much to blame as rabid skepticism, in distorting and holding back valid American history. How can the KRS get over currently being reduced down to Masonic numerology...while being bathed in a supposed Jesus bloodline at the same time? There are no limits to the foolishness being attributed to both the Newport Tower and to the KRS, and the skepticism descends into foolishness, giving these two valuable artifacts a double-whammy. How does history-truth stand a chance?

I would like to add that the Norse Code-stone I found in 2015 is also currently suffering from this same double-whammy of overt skepticism mixed with foolishness...I simply cannot get anyone to take it serious. Even with a proclaimed $1,000 kick-in. Because of the environment of skepticism and foolishment, the State of MN won't get involved beyond streamling the process...but this depends on me actually hearing back from would-be suitable archaeologists who might like to get involved with such a project. But, of course, because of the academic climate here in MN concerning the KRS and anything else proposed as medieval Norse, I cannot move forward. I am effectively blocked by lack of interest and by lack of openmindedness.

This is caused in large part by Democrats...on the wrong side and on the losing side (of history truth, in this case)....

And you wanted to get into politics?

David Bradbury

2/17/2017 02:10:58 pm

"Why are the Tower's legs set at the cardinal points"
Maybe the name of the town gives a clue: NewPORT was the sort of place where people were fond of compasses.

2/17/2017 02:21:41 pm

Fish, meet barrel. It's been sometime since we've heard nonsense from the Voylesich Manuscript originating on a planet where " 's " means "plural". The Kensington Runestone is a brilliant hoax based in Masonic lore and the Newport Tower is a windmill and in no way "fortified". Do you even understand what a fortified structure is? Here's a hint: it doesn't have freakin' legs and a hole for people to climb up into it.

Your "Norse Code-Stone" is a rock with three holes in it and you think it's a code because it doesn't have a fourth hole. The mind wobbles.

You are however right about one thing: you are effectively blocked by lack of interest.

mhe

2/17/2017 04:20:38 pm

Even if a small band of medieval Norse made their way to the upper Midwest it wouldn't change the broader historical narrative. There is no historical significance to the supposed visit if there were no obvious impacts from it. For example, it isn't like they introduced cattle, sheep, horses, and pigs with the consequences that were seen from when the Spanish did.

Fawkes

2/17/2017 06:37:59 pm

Each time you post At Risk you sound more and more like a lunatic. History truth isn't a thing. There is history and there is the truth about it, the there is the swill you write about.

Mandalore

2/18/2017 01:16:42 am

He'll get increasingly angry that nobody is buying his ideas, then leave. It's happened before. As I recall, last time he harassed Jason until all of his posts were deleted from the various pages he posted on. (That was as Gunn.)

Rhw

2/19/2017 03:29:01 am

Why am I not surprised that you believe what you hear on Fox News? And how exactly can someone who lost the popular vote and got fewer electoral votes than most of his recent predecessors be said to have won an "impressive victory"? Is there nothing that is too outlandish for you to believe?

Frank

2/19/2017 03:49:00 pm

You are Not At Risk, we are! We are at risk with all your Not At Risk attitude. Now, the only explanation for someone who can write eloquently, but still sound like a gullible child, is that this child is out to make money, just as the two are, as pointed out here in this article by Jason on more Atlantis nonsense. And although Jason also makes money with his debunking of others nonsense, it goes a long way towards a round-about circle of sophism. This large circle of the mentally elite. Where we have illuminati on one side, and even more illuminate minds on the other, debunking dark things emanating from these bright sources! And in all these forum discussions, on Atlantis or otherwise, I note that Jason keeps persisting with wanting to see evidence of Elephants before he will, seriously, consider any crackpot hypothesis on Plato' Atlantis being seriously considered. Hey Jason, what goes with the elephants? Is not the mascot & symbol of the US GOP, a "motif" enough to believe in an American Atlantis? But you, Jason, like a real true-blue democrat, are an "ass" kicking machine.

The mentality of those that are giving their God given "right" to vote, are in a way, much like those silly crowds listening to a Wilcock, or a Trump, or Benny Hinn, and will believe anything they fancy to hear, as these kind of persons are only more than willing to make money off of them by taking advantage of them through their gullibility. Is it any wonder then that when these crowds get to be very many in numbers, that a so-called democracy, is in the hands of fools? Because these, either never read the writing on the wall, or they are too foolish to understand what the "prophets" wrote. And when it comes to walls, if one is really ever erected on our southern border, the writing on it will only read, all too well again, that when a democracy which is thirsting for freedom has evil cup-bearers presiding over the feast, and has drunk too deeply of the strong wine of freedom, then, unless her rulers are very amenable and give a plentiful draught, she calls them to account and punishes them, and says that they are cursed oligarchs.

And loyal citizens are insultingly termed by her slaves who hug their chains and men of naught; she would have subjects who are like rulers, and rulers who are like subjects: these are men after her own heart, whom she praises and honors both in private and public. Now, in such a State, can liberty have any limit?

I mean that the father grows accustomed to descend to the level of his sons and to fear them, and the son is on a level with his father, he having no respect or reverence for either of his parents; and this is his freedom, and the metic is equal with the citizen and the citizen with the metic, and the stranger is quite as good as either.

And these are not the only evils, I said—there are several lesser ones: In such a state of society the master fears and flatters his scholars, and the scholars despise their masters and tutors; young and old are all alike; and the young man is on a level with the old, and is ready to compete with him in word or deed; and old men condescend to the young and are full of pleasantry and gaiety; they are loath to be thought morose and authoritative, and therefore they adopt the manners of the young.

The last extreme of popular liberty is when the slave bought with money, whether male or female, is just as free as his or her purchaser; nor must I forget to tell of the liberty and equality of the two sexes in relation to each other.
Why not, as Aeschylus says, utter the word which rises to our lips?

That is what I am doing, I replied; and I must add that no one who does not know would believe, how much greater is the liberty which the animals who are under the dominion of man have in a democracy than in any other State: for truly, the she-dogs, as the proverb says, are as good as their she-mistresses, and the horses and asses have a way of marching along with all the rights and dignities of freemen; and they will run at any body who comes in their way if he does not leave the road clear for them: and all things are just ready to burst with liberty.

When I take a country walk, he said, I often experience what you describe. You and I have dreamed the same thing.
And above all, I said, and as the result of all, see how sensitive the citizens become; they chafe impatiently at the least touch of authority, and at length, as you know, they cease to care even for the laws, written or unwritten; they will have no one over them.

2/19/2017 04:09:54 pm

Such, my friend, as I was saying, is the fair and glorious beginning out of which springs tyranny.

Glorious indeed, he said. But what is the next step?

The ruin of oligarchy is the ruin of democracy; the same disease magnified and intensified by liberty overmasters democracy—the truth being that the excessive increase of anything often causes a reaction in the opposite direction; and this is the case not only in the seasons and in vegetable and animal life, but above all in forms of government.

The excess of liberty, whether in States or individuals, seems only to pass into excess of slavery.

And so tyranny naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme form of liberty?

That, however, was not, as I believe, your question—you rather desired to know what is that disorder which is generated alike in oligarchy and democracy, and is the ruin of both?
Just so, he replied.
Well, I said, I meant to refer to the class of idle spendthrifts, of whom the more courageous are the leaders and the more timid the followers, the same whom we were comparing to drones, some stingless, and others having stings.
A very just comparison.
These two classes are the plagues of every city in which they are generated, being what phlegm and bile are to the body. And the good physician and lawgiver of the State ought, like the wise bee-master, to keep them at a distance and prevent, if possible, their ever coming in; and if they have anyhow found a way in, then he should have them and their cells cut out as speedily as possible.
Yes, by all means, he said.
Then, in order that we may see clearly what we are doing, let us imagine democracy to be divided, as indeed it is, into three classes; for in the first place freedom creates rather more drones in the democratic than there were in the oligarchical State.

And in the democracy they are certainly more intensified.
How so?
Because in the oligarchical State they are disqualified and driven from office, and therefore they cannot train or gather strength; whereas in a democracy they are almost the entire ruling power, and while the keener sort speak and act, the rest keep buzzing about the bema and do not suffer a word to be said on the other side; hence in democracies almost everything is managed by the drones.
Very true, he said.
Then there is another class which is always being severed from the mass.
What is that?
They are the orderly class, which in a nation of traders is sure to be the richest.
Naturally so.
They are the most squeezable persons and yield the largest amount of honey to the drones.
Why, he said, there is little to be squeezed out of people who have little.
And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.
That is pretty much the case, he said.
The people are a third class, consisting of those who work with their own hands; they are not politicians, and have not much to live upon. This, when assembled, is the largest and most powerful class in a democracy.
True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate unless they get a little honey.
And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time taking care to reserve the larger part for themselves?
Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.
And the persons whose property is taken from them are compelled to defend themselves before the people as they best can?
What else can they do?
And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy?
True.
And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but through ignorance, and because they are deceived by informers, seeking to do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs in reality; they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments them and breeds revolution in them.
That is exactly the truth.
Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.
True.
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness.
Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a TYRANT springs; WHEN HE FIRST APPEARS ABOVE GROUND HE IS A PROTECTOR, and wants to make the too free "Democracy" Great Again!

Clifford Waldon

6/6/2022 09:29:15 pm

From my intel the lost city of Atlantis . Is where the Atlantic Ocean meets the Caribbean

John

3/13/2017 06:35:15 pm

Fox News is by far the worse of a bad bunch. By far. For those that actually think Trump or Fox is good. Recently on a non political facebook group someone posted a fake image, that to my eyes was clearly faked, but then to my surprise, people started falling for it. In all 7 people that posted fell for it. Out of curiosity I looked at what the likes of the people stupid enough to fall for it were. 5 of the 7 people were in Donald Trump supporter groups. A 6th person had several pro-Fox news likes but I could not tell if they liked Trump. Only one of the 7 people showed no conservative or pro-Trump leanings. The clear parallel is that stupid, gullible people are far more likely to be a Trump supporter. I am not making any of these numbers up.

Michael Guy link

1/25/2019 04:28:28 pm

At Risk - and you think Fox News and Trump have anything to do with "the truth"? My, my you are a "blowfish"! Take the first bait that comes along, do ya?

2/17/2017 01:26:53 pm

I consider myself a moderate and as a moderate I can tell you that all cable news is BS. Itso not news it's business. Nobody wants to here that they are wrong. It's what happens when people have beliefs instead of ideas. People look for evidence that they are right and won't listen to evidence that they are wrong. That's true for audiences of all cable news networks. And people in general.
I am open to new ideas. I've heard that experts say the krs is not written in the proper language for the time and that the hooked x is not a real rune. I've also heard that it's a secret templar land claim and that it's old because someone looked at tombstones. Guess which side I fall on. But I can change my mind. Show me that templar code in europe. Show me the Graves of those dead Scandinavians, which should have armor and weapons. Show me what good a secret land claim is if no one can tell it's a land claim because it's a secret. Show me anything. And ask yourself this, at what point will you be willing to admit that it has no value at all.

Only Me

2/17/2017 02:21:11 pm

I'm confused. I thought Wilcock was a divine messenger, sent to cure the world of its ills. Why would he play second fiddle to Trump?

That's a bad sign when even the Alliance picks you last.

Kal

2/17/2017 03:01:41 pm

Nowport Tower was built in the colonial 1600s as a mill, not a windmill, a mill. It is a colonial silo structure that is clearly from the period indicated at the park, off of Mill St. It is not ancient, and is old though.

The KRS was built later as a hoax in the 1800s.

Trump was created as a conservative middle road hoax, an answer to Clinton that would distract everyone, but he became a real contender, and is now President, which probably should startle all those old cold war fogies. Seems he's more shades of the Manchurian Candidate than he is some kind of alien demonic overlord, or some kind of repitillian from Lovecraft.

Taking Altantis seriously as though it was real is like taking any of these fringers seriously, an amusing if not pointless effort, but for the suffering of fools, even more so.

And if anyone paid for the podcasts, they deserve to be swindled. That's ridiculous in this time and place, when you can get people to pay up to hear some made up stuff. Well if he get enough of the gullible, good for him. Ha.

2/17/2017 05:09:42 pm

"Nowport Tower was built in the colonial 1600s as a mill, not a windmill, a mill. It is a colonial silo structure that is clearly from the period indicated at the park, off of Mill St. It is not ancient, and is old though."

It's clearly not a watermill so if it's not a windmill what kind of mill is it? Is it a "landclaim mill"? Powered by secret Venus Family Hooked X technology?

Do try to make sense, won't you?

2/18/2017 03:07:55 am

....it's a MILL. You know, like your PEPPER mill? For grinding stuff? Usually using two large stones and some gears; ones the size of a building are industrial. We do still have them today. It's not Kal's fault if you've never learned how you take grain and turn it into flour.

Grain is taken to the mill--you can do it yourself at home but you don't get much flour that way, which is why it was done on the large scale of a building instead of the small scale of a tabletop "spice grinder" or in a mortar and pestle--and poured into, at the time, a large stone basin which has another large, cylindrical or disc-shaped stone in it. The center stone--known as a MILLstone--is fastened to a shaft. The shaft is hooked up to some gears and cogs that are driven by one of several methods--wind power if it's a WIND-mill, water power if it's a WATER-mill, or even by oxen or people walking in circles and pushing or pulling a lever around and around (like winding a watch, except the power isn't stored in spring tension, it's applied to the stone immediately). This makes the millstone grind against the basin and crush the grain into powder.

The way we use the term "windmill" today is directly taken from the kind of flour-grinding building that uses wind power to move the millstone, because you can disconnect the mechanisms from the millstone and attach them to a turbine, and the wind will then generate electricity without alteration. Same with a waterwheel.

If the Newport Tower was neither wind-driven nor water-driven, it was most likely oxen-driven, which is a damn good idea in the New England area because it means you can keep working even in the middle of a nasty storm, which New England gets plenty of. Your oxen are indoors, yoked to a spindle, pulling it round and round in circles to drive the millstone as you grind the grain that you have stored and your customers are waiting for and won't take "a storm broke my wind vanes" for an answer. And, if your mill happens to be one that grinds things other than grains--for instance, if it was a powder mill instead of a grain mill, like the old DuPont powder mill on Powder Mill Road here in Delaware, then you might prefer oxen to wind or water power for having more control over the specific speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6eiFwKTjU <--Here is a video of a modern entire workshop that is horse-driven, but uses all the same principles as an ox-driven 17th-century grain mill.

Hopefully that helps you make more sense out of what Kal had to say and alleviates that little ignorance problem.

2/18/2017 04:23:48 am

Wow, don't be such a Summer's Eve, Lily.

"V 2/18/2017 03:07:55 am
....it's a MILL. You know, like your PEPPER mill? For grinding stuff? Usually using two large stones and some gears; ones the size of a building are industrial. We do still have them today. It's not Kal's fault if you've never learned how you take grain and turn it into flour."

Still waiting to hear how it's powered.

"Grain is taken to the mill"

Great, wonderful clarification: stuff is moved about on the planet surface.

"The shaft is hooked up to some gears and cogs that are driven by one of several methods--wind power if it's a WIND-mill, water power if it's a WATER-mill"

Would never have figured that out based on the names or just looking at them. So thank you.

", or even by oxen or people walking in circles and pushing or pulling a lever around and around (like winding a watch, except the power isn't stored in spring tension, it's applied to the stone immediately). This makes the millstone grind against the basin and crush the grain into powder."

I look forward to your explanation of how that was done with Newport Tower. Because oxen powered machinery is almost always installed in towers.

"The way we use the term "windmill" today is directly taken from the kind of flour-grinding building that uses wind power to move the millstone, because you can disconnect the mechanisms from the millstone and attach them to a turbine, and the wind will then generate electricity without alteration. Same with a waterwheel."

Of course, because we were generating electricity with turbines in the 1600s

"If the Newport Tower was neither wind-driven nor water-driven, it was most likely oxen-driven, which is a damn good idea in the New England area because it means you can keep working even in the middle of a nasty storm, which New England gets plenty of. Your oxen are indoors,"

Hold on there pardner. I'm a professional cowboy and I know pain, especially when I cath. Where is the "indoors" for the oxen at the Newport Tower? And having ranched cattle it strikes me as funny that suddenly we care about keeping them indoors. Do you understand how much nonsense you are saying?

" yoked to a spindle, pulling it round and round in circles to drive the millstone as you grind the grain that you have stored and your customers are waiting for and won't take "a storm broke my wind vanes" for an answer. And, if your mill happens to be one that grinds things other than grains--for instance, if it was a powder mill instead of a grain mill, like the old DuPont powder mill on Powder Mill Road here in Delaware, then you might prefer oxen to wind or water power for having more control over the specific speed."

vide supra

"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6eiFwKTjU <--Here is a video of a modern entire workshop that is horse-driven, but uses all the same principles as an ox-driven 17th-century grain mill."

Are the horses indoors? Is there an indoors at the Newport Tower?

"Hopefully that helps you make more sense out of what Kal had to say and alleviates that little ignorance problem."

No, you still seem to have the ignorance going on.

SDO

2/17/2017 10:14:59 pm

Windows 10 only allows 8 clients to connect at once, that was likely why the "server crashed" due to being overloaded. Lol

It makes me sick hearing about the money these guys make.

2/18/2017 04:28:25 am

I suspect you may not understand what a client or a connection is. Just stop.

2/18/2017 04:09:45 am

Governor Arnold, 17th-century owner of the building, described it in his will as "my stone built Wind-mill".

2/20/2017 11:32:28 am

Governor Arnold was going by what others had been wrongly assuming, in his description. Any wind-mill of the era would not have had a fireplace built into the structure, such as is the case with the Newport Church Tower. Again, when the "experts" in Romanesque-era architecture (Grunt) finally get with the program, they will discover that that tower is not a wind-mill of any kind whatsoever...but it is in dozens of respects just like the Scandinavian round churches back in Europe.

This should not surprise anyone who might be able to envision or realize that Vinland was likely a region, much like Markland and Helluland were, not a specific location. It is not a stretch to see that the Newport Tower was likely built by the same fellows who also inhabited this region of Vinland from time-to-time over about four hundred years or so.

Actually, very much of the obvious evidence concerning the tower points to medieval Catholics in the way it was built, which should be no surprise, since this would likely have been at a time before the Templar/Church breakup of 1307, at an earlier time when building a somewhat traditional round church along America's east coast would have fit in PERFECTLY with a pre-Columbian habitation, by Scandinavians,within the region of Vinland. Consider that the mention of Vinland on the Kensington Runestone seemed rather casual enough.

The only thing that isn't as casual as it should be, now, today, is the realization by "experts" that the Newport Tower is a religeous medieval icon, proving that Christian Scandinavians were plentiful enough on America's east coast in a pre-Columbus setting to have mustered together the supplies and ambition and time to have built the Newport Tower. America's historians and academians need to face up to the glaring facts, as pointed out...because if the tower isn't a wind-mill, what is it?

How about what it declares itself to be, if looked at without undue hideboundness? Just a few casual, non-political thoughts.

Tom

2/17/2017 03:46:37 pm

Thiking about why Mr Flambas would want to locate Atlantis in the Caribbean, it occurs to me that this is close by the site of the Chicxulub event.
Since time is often irrevelant or suspended by the fringe is this possibly the build up to a claim that this event was the cause of the destruction of Atlantis?
Considering that the Antarctica claim is pure fantasy to most people Mr Wilcock has a duty to his fans to up the anti and reveal the "mastermind" behind the Cabal, so he will need to source the latest horror fiction to make it sound original.

Graham

2/17/2017 08:23:28 pm

Possibly because novelist Clive Cussler relocated the Trojan war there in is 2003 novel 'Trojan Odyssey'....?

Mind you, he's made fun use of fringe history ever since 'Pacific Vortex'.

Bob Jase

2/17/2017 04:16:37 pm

"For example, he once alleged that Newt Gingrich traveled to the city on behalf of the Trump Administration."

Nonsense, it was Rudy Guilianni.

who me

2/17/2017 06:48:18 pm

Mammoth remains were found in the Bahamas by Darwin.

2/17/2017 10:33:01 pm

Reading some of Wilcox's blog reminds me of Scientology.

Exaterressial Assonaut

2/19/2017 10:23:38 am

Please google David Wilcock Edgar Cayce. You will have all the necessary fodder to stop any interest in Wilcock's ravings. He believes he is Cayce reincarnated. Wow. I've eaten breakfast bars less nutty than that!

Dave

5/16/2020 12:43:35 pm

Have I stumbled into a vortex of insanity? Who cares what Dave Wilcox or any other nut job thinks?
The Cult of Trump is nearly done.
Where will these psychopaths go next?