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Diana Pasulka Says "Ancient Aliens" Is a "Medium of the Divine" for the Non-Religious

3/3/2020

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Diana Walsh Pasulka is back with a new article in Tank magazine following her unceremonious exit from social media a few weeks ago. That’s when she said that a hacker had infiltrated her social media accounts and posted wild conspiracy theories in her name, some of which she conceded had been taken from her private emails. In her new piece, Pasulka returns to the subject of her expertise, religious belief, and outlines the many ways that Americans have dealt with the decline of traditional religion by creating an alternative spirituality mediated through technology and centered on “improbable coincidence” as signs from the divine.
The majority of the article is devoted to the “nones,” the reductive name assigned to a growing grab-bag of people who do not identify with either traditional faiths or New Age-style spiritual groups—people who are detached from group worship in its many forms. These include atheists, agnostics, and the “spiritual but not religious” category. Pasulka runs these groups together and suggests that they share a spirituality in which focuses on the unity of mind and matter:
The answer to the question of how the spirituality of the nones might assuage their fears and anxieties comes in the form of nothing less than a revolution in the metaphysics of their cosmology. At the basis of their ideas of spirituality, which are varied, is a monism, a rejection of the dualistic frameworks of the more traditional Abrahamic religions.
Let’s put a cork in that one. While some New Age types might well be monists who believe in a supernatural dimension of mind and matter, I’d be willing to bet that many of the “nones” are actually materialists and don’t see spirituality as an essential function of life, or see the need for any spiritual element of matter, whether infused, oppositional, or otherwise. Her evidence, such as it is, comes from James Cameron’s Avatar (2009), whose milquetoast pantheism she sees as a key element of American belief. She even identifies Avatar and its ilk as a form of neo-animist sacred text: “In this sense, this new form of secular theology derives themes from a variety of Indigenous cultures that also posit the world as alive and sentient.” It’s worth noticing that Pasulka doesn’t provide data to support her claims about the spirituality of the “nones,” and she speaks only anecdotally about their supposed obsession with coincidences and synchronicities. I’d further guess that many “nones” who do see value in simplistic, moralizing movies think about them symbolically rather than literally—in other words, the notion in Avatar that a planet might be alive (the so-called Gaia hypothesis, which is not new but was popular in the New Age, contra Pasulka) doesn’t translate into a literal belief that the Earth has conscious thoughts but rather that it is a metaphor for the biosphere and its delicate balance.
 
Her other evidence comes from a U.S. Navy sailor who witnessed one of the so-called “tic tac” UFOs reported on in the New York Times who said that “thoughts are things.” I can’t really see that as proof of an inherent American monism new to civilization. It’s a direct quote from 1952’s The Power of Positive Thinking, and the New York Times even wrote an editorial about the same idea in 1896, quoting the same phrase from a poem by Ella Wheeler Wilcox. I wasn’t able to find Pasulka’s source for the “thoughts are things” quote since it doesn’t appear in any media coverage of the “tic tac” incidents, nor does it appear in Pasulka’s book American Cosmic.
 
I discuss this, though, because it builds toward Pasulka’s conclusion, where she can’t help but bring in UFOs. Because Avatar’s plot involves using technology to enter the lived experiences of another, she compares this to the techno-futurism of UFO believers. Here things get sticky. I think she is half-right, perhaps. Her argument is that UFO “experiencers” are common believers who have touched the divine without the need for a Judeo-Christian style prophet to do it for them:
These prophets were spokesmen for God, but today’s UFO experiencers have direct communication, without the mediation of a prophet or guru, with these alleged beings. The difference between this form of direct communication and the communication with God described by figures such as Joan of Arc, is that anyone can access it. One does not need prerequisite credentials, like a saintly nature. It is a spirituality of the people and for the people.
Here, I think Pasulka has made a fundamental error. The prophets were, largely, everyday people chosen by God, sometimes against their will. The saints were not connected to God because they were perfect but were declared saints because they had been called by God. St. Augustine, for example, wrote a whole book about his wild sex life and rampant sinning before he reformed. UFO “experiencers” aren’t the rank-and-file believers. They are themselves those who take on the role of UFO prophet or saint. They become the gurus—like George Adamski, Raël, the Applewhites, Betty Hill, etc. Becoming an abductee gives one status in the UFO community, and abductees, like the prophets of old, present themselves as mediators to the masses, delivering the aliens’ warnings for humanity to shape up or face annihilation.
 
When Pasulka presents them not as a small subset of UFO believers but rather as the whole of the community to be considered, she skews her analysis as fully as if she restricted her understanding of Catholicism only to those individuals declared saints.
 
Her conclusion, though, is probably right but also overblown:
UFO spirituality borrows, through entertainment media, from a multitude of religious traditions. Television shows like Ancient Aliens propose that UFOs are the gods and goddesses of the past, and they choose from a variety of global traditions to make their case. This characterisation makes UFO spirituality international and transhistorical. Because it is watched in so many households – it is one of the most popular and longest running series on the History Channel – its spiritual cosmology is available to anyone with a television or computer. In this sense, screen culture has replaced the sacred books of the past as the new medium of the divine. 
Granted, I’ve been saying for almost a decade now that the ancient astronaut theory has become a surrogate faith, and Ancient Aliens executive producer Kevin Burns even told the New York Times two years ago that the show is really just a “search for God.” But it’s also important not to overstate its power. Only 950,000 people watch Ancient Aliens in a country of 320 million. It might be a lodestar for a certain, vocal community and it certainly misinforms many times its core audience through online and TV exposure, but it doesn’t evangelize to hundreds of millions. It’s a niche show appealing primarily to people who already believe. To that extent it is a symptom and an exacerbator, but not a cause.
 
And none of this is anything that wasn’t already present in the 1960s when Chariots of the Gods was popular. One might argue that Erich von Däniken served the role of guru then, but what does that make Giorgio Tsoukalos or Linda Moulton Howe today?
76 Comments
Nobody cares
3/3/2020 10:01:53 am

Nobody cares.

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Starchild link
3/9/2020 02:05:11 am

Indeed he does! Vote Nobody for New Hampshire governor!

https://electnobody.com/

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NO DIFFERENCE
3/3/2020 10:07:49 am

There's no difference between the prophets of the Bible and New Agers - Religion is religion however it's wrapped and the books of the Bible were written long after the death of the various prophets. By gum, this all needs explaining,

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Joe Scales
3/3/2020 10:17:44 am

"One might argue that Erich von Däniken served the role of guru then, but what does that make Giorgio Tsoukalos or Linda Moulton Howe today?"

Televangelists?

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Jr. Time Lord
3/3/2020 01:52:50 pm

"Televangelists?"

More like Avon Representatives. The alien community is a lot like Avon. A bunch of people pedaling the same crap for the last 60 years with only a handful getting paid.

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UFO-ism represents nonhuman intelligence
3/3/2020 10:28:37 am

UFO-ism reveals it is entirely Human.
Humanoid bodies that breathe the same oxygen and many other abundant parallels. Don't look at the skies when it comes to UFOs --- look at the people telling the stories about UFOs.

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The Historical-Astrological Method
3/3/2020 11:57:17 am

And fish breathe the same oxygen we do, the same oxygen our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ breathed, which is why the fish is the symbol of Jesus. But plants don't breathe oxygen! Are they from another planet? "Plant", "planet"... it's been staring us in the face all along!

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PiSCES
3/3/2020 12:34:50 pm

Yes, I like fish with oven ready micro chips.

David Childress
3/3/2020 02:59:47 pm

MY Lord and Savior breathed nitrous poppers.

Not David Childress
3/3/2020 07:08:46 pm

Is using someone else's name against Jason's policy a homosexual thing or a drug user thing? If neither, why then are you doing it?

I know more about this than you do
3/4/2020 11:37:03 pm

No.

The fish thing is from Sextus Julius Africanus.

He was an anus from Africa; but nevertheless...

Avatar is rubbish
3/3/2020 10:34:36 am

May as well do a PhD thesis about Prot from K-PAC
Much more interesting

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K-Pax (2001)
3/3/2020 10:35:51 am

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0272152/

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Theology for Dummies
3/3/2020 01:53:53 pm

Man made God in his own image and likeness!

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Mirror, mirror
3/3/2020 02:01:15 pm

Self-cognition

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яoяяiM ,яoяяiM
3/3/2020 02:18:05 pm

Neon
Crypton
Ammoniated
FitzJohn
Neon
Crypton
Ammoniated
FitzJohn

David Childress
3/3/2020 02:52:10 pm

My neckbeard is divine. All the boys who worship it say so.

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Worried About U
3/3/2020 11:00:19 pm

I think it's cute that you refer to your penis as your "neck".

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Jocelyn
3/3/2020 03:15:25 pm

So many people are looking for God. Universe is one being. Therefore humans are gods, aliens are gods, potatoes are gods, carrots are gods. Just different faces of one and only being. Meditate on this seriously and you will realize it to be so.

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Yes of course
3/3/2020 03:20:05 pm

There is an ultimate biological source but we will never know about it. Judeo-Christianity is only another religion and the Bible has been debunked - the Bible is only believed by believers who resist education.

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Kent
3/3/2020 07:19:47 pm

There is no Judaeo-Christianity. Judaism and Christianity are two different religions. Judaism believes in multiple Gods, all but one of whom are not to be worshiped. Christianity believes in only one God.

Both of course are wrong.

LEARN SOMETHING, KENT
3/4/2020 08:30:10 am

Everything in the New Testament is derived from the Old Testament - the earliest Christians like Paul and the Apostolic Fathers used and quoted from the Old Testament - they didn't know anything about the Gospels. The formation of the Gospels was a slow process.

Even "My God, My God, Why Has Thou Forsaken Me?" is lifted from the Old Testament. Even Jesus' miracle of the raising of the son of the widow of Nain in the Gospel of Luke is derived from the story of Elijah raising of the son of the widow of Zarephath in I Kings.

The New Testament is steeped in the Old Testament and Jesus is depicted as the Passover Lamb during the Crucifixion. There's parallel after parallel and books have been written about it. It really is very silly to say things like "Judaism had two gods" when this is only a reference to a minority form of Judaism. It's laughable.

See Something say something, say something suck something
3/4/2020 12:16:27 pm

"Even "My God, My God, Why Has Thou Forsaken Me?" is lifted from the Old Testament. Even Jesus' miracle of the raising of the son of the widow of Nain in the Gospel of Luke is derived from the story of Elijah raising of the son of the widow of Zarephath in I Kings."

That's what I was taught in Catholic school as a kid. You're not breaking any new ground with your constant pressured Tourette's-like posts but you take the gold medal for "Most Repetitive".

You're confused about what I said about the Jewish belief in God. Jews don't believe in two Gods, they believe in many Gods, otherwise why the First Commandment? There are Jews who still believe in a binitary God; that's a difference in doxos not praxis and does not imply a belief in two Gods. See Dr. Michael Heiser's introduction to the concept here: http://twopowersinheaven.com/ if you want to know more. Wait a minute, what am I saying? "Want to know more" That's funny.

Hey Kent
3/4/2020 06:04:25 pm

There is one thing that lies at the heart of all the diverse strands of Judaism

There is one thing that lies at the heart of all the diverse strands of Judaism

There is one thing that lies at the heart of all the diverse strands of Gnosticism

There is one thing that lies at the heart of all the diverse strands of belief found within the Dead Sea Scrolls

There is one thing that lies at the heart of all the diverse strands of belief in the Nag Hammadi Codices.

They all have a common source, only the interpretations differ,

Second Century AD
3/4/2020 06:12:00 pm

the two powers teaching a heresy sometime in the second century A.D.

http://twopowersinheaven.com/

Kent
3/4/2020 08:28:25 pm

"During the Second Temple period, Jewish theologians and writers speculated on an identity for the second Yahweh. Guesses ranged from divinized humans from the stories of the Hebrew Bible to exalted angels. !!!!****These speculations were not considered unorthodox.****!!!!

That acceptance changed when certain Jews, the early Christians, connected Jesus with !!!!****this orthodox Jewish idea.****!!!! This explains why these Jews, the first converts to following Jesus the Christ, could simultaneously worship the God of Israel and Jesus, and yet refuse to acknowledge any other god. Jesus was the incarnate second Yahweh. In response, as Segal’s work demonstrated, Judaism pronounced the two powers teaching a heresy sometime in the second century A.D."

So, it was around for a long time and in fact is still around among Jews who don't accept Jesus. If I declare you saying it was a heresy a heresy does that make you saying it a heresy?

Try harder, suck less.

THEORIES, THEORIES ABOUT A SECOND GOD
3/4/2020 10:44:12 pm

AND JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY REMAINS JUST ANOTHER RELIGION

HOW YOU GONNA PROVE THAT EVEN YOUR VERSION OF CHRITIANITY IS NOT JUST ANOTER RELIGION

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE THAT CHRISITIANITY IS "THE" RELIGION, YOU BELIEVER

NO SUCH THING AS "THE" RELIGION
3/4/2020 10:45:47 pm

THERE IS NO SUCH THING IN EXISTENCE AS "THE" RELIGION

NO SUCH THING IN EXISTENCE

?
3/4/2020 11:41:40 pm

@HEY KENT.

What? Like, Plato and then Plotinus?

Seriously. What a Drama-Queen.

HEY KENT
3/5/2020 01:09:59 am

@?

Could you please translate that for me.

Binitarian God
3/5/2020 01:27:09 am

This is only a theory developed by religious historians and the theory of a binitarian god is alleged to have existed within Christianity and Gnosticism as well as in Judaism. Kent's agenda and position is based upon his anti-Semitic position. Thus explaining his opposition to the idea of Judeo-Christianity. It insults Kent that there is a direct connection between Christianity and Judaism for this reason.

The theory of a binitarian god only exists on paper within the context of religious theory.

This nebulous binitarian god theory is similar to Arthur J. Zuckerman's book "A Jewish Princedom in feudal France, 768-900" (1972), whose equally nebulous claims does not exist on paper but only within the realm of scholarly conjecture, but it is often repeated as fact.

Lee Levin wrote a novel based on Zuckerman's conjecture called "The Messiah of Septimania : A Jewish Kingdom in Medieval France" (Kansas: Royal Heritage Press, 2011).

Erotochrist
3/5/2020 01:44:22 am

@HEY KENNETH

"Could you please translate that for me."

Not sure why I have to explain this to you.

You have 2 sources to draw from: Plato & Plotinus.

You did that to yourself. With no help from me.

Suck less?

I dunno.


Anti-Semitic Erotochrist
3/5/2020 01:56:17 am

It insults Kent that the New Testament is directly derived from the Old Testament and that original Christianity was at loggerheads with Judaism over collaboration with the occupying enemy. The Jewish High Priests collaborated first with the Seleucids and then secondly with the Romans.

Christianity represented the freedom fighting opposition to the occupation of Judea and developed a Messianic Resistance Movement that was originally based upon Spiritual Inspiration.

The bit about a flesh-and-blood incarnated Jesus Christ was developed much later.

Not Kent
3/5/2020 02:27:04 am

@ANTI-SEMITIC EROTOCHRIST


"...and that original Christianity was at loggerheads with Judaism over collaboration with the occupying enemy.

Could you please translate that for me?

Just dying of laughter you ill-equipped freak. You're a good.

😊

Anti-Semitic Erotochrist
3/5/2020 02:47:13 am

And the original Atonement was cognate with the liberation of Judea from Roman Occupation. Tip: Politics was communicated by way of Religion - the two were inseparable.

Tell me Kenty - you did not reply to this before - what use is "Jesus died for our sins so we could live" divorced from its original religio/political context (apart from it being a pretty story).



Erotochrist
3/5/2020 03:08:46 am

@ANTI-SEMITIC EROTOCHRIST

"Tell me Kenty - you did not reply to this before - what use is "Jesus died for our sins so we could live" divorced from its original religio/political context (apart from it being a pretty story)".

We are KENT, or NOT KENT, you irreverent weenie-person.

Christ was freed by death, he is a living Lord.

Stories are what they are.

There's no way out of this argument for you, you stinking "Gnostic".

Have fun picking your own lock.

*sheesh*

Anti-Semitic Erotochrist
3/5/2020 03:28:30 am

Christianity divorced from its original first-century politico/religious context is of no value whatsoever.- it was devised to deal with the historical situation that existed during the Roman Occupation of Judea.

And the New Testament is not just directly derived from the Old Testament but also from the inter-testamental Pseudopigraphical literature. Canon R. H. Charles showed how the Book of Enoch inspired the author Matthew and how much of Enoch was found in the words of Jesus Christ.

Erotochrist
3/5/2020 03:45:03 am

@ANTI-SEMITIC EROTOCHRIST

R.H. Charles?

The Theosophist?

"it was devised to deal with the historical situation that existed during the Roman Occupation of Judea."

"The Empire Never Ended"
- P. Dick.

Canon R. H. Charles
3/5/2020 06:35:18 am

Canon R. H, Charles gave a parallel table of what was written in the Book of Enoch and what was said by Jesus Christ in Matthew. There were many hits.

Robert Henry Charles left parochial work in 1889 to devote himself to biblical research and became the greatest authority of his time in matters of Jewish eschatology and apocrypha. He became a canon at Westminster Abbey in 1913 and archdeacon there in 1919. His books include Eschatology (1913, 2nd ed), Between the Old and New Testaments (1914), and his edition of The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament. (1913).

Charles was born in county Tyrone, Northern Ireland. He was educated at Queen's University, Belfast, and Trinity College, Dublin. Among his other publications are The Apocalypse (1920), Divorce and Nullity (1927), and The Resurrection of Man (1930).

Enoch and the Gospel of Matthew
3/5/2020 06:50:45 am

Amy E. Richter, "Enoch and the Gospel of Matthew" (Princeton Theological Monograph Series 183, Pickwick Publications, 2012)

Kent
3/5/2020 11:54:57 am

I'm not insulted or threatened by any real or imagined connection between Judaism and Christianity. I don't have a pig in that fight, not even a clam. Obviously Christianity evolved out of Judaism just as Islam evolved out of pre-existing Arab religious beliefs. Google "Islam" & "Moon God" for some interesting reading. But none is the same as the previous religion and all worship different Gods.

- If being peeved by the theft of Palestinian lands and murder and mistreatment of Palestinians is anti-semitic, then color me guilty.
- If objecting to an unprovoked attack on a U.S. naval vessel is anti-semitic, color me guilty.
- If thinking that waiter in Norway shouldn't have been murdered is anti-semitic, color me guilty.
- If objecting to the derailment of the original UN plan for Palestine is anti-Semitic, color me guilty.
- If objecting to false flag bombings in Egypt is anti-semitic, color me guilty.

The establishment of Israel was the crucial misstep of the post-WWII era.

It's interesting that the Jewish concept of a binitary God elicits such strong knee-jerk response. And I learned from these comments that Christians worship three Gods. Someone should tell the Christians.

With apologies to Lee:

Some velvet morning when I'm straight
I'm gonna open up your gate
And tell you all 'bout Shekinah
How she gave me life
And how she made it end.

No need for Christianity
3/5/2020 04:38:33 pm

Since the formation of the State of Israel after WWII there has been no need for Christianity since Israel is no longer occupied territory. Although there is absolutely no need for the Mosque and Christian churches there.

Ben-Gurion
3/8/2020 11:16:50 pm

Kent,

A lot of things can happen when you stick a US spy ship in the middle of a major conflict and most of them are bad. Get over it.

In modern history there have been genocides where hundreds of thousands of people were killed. There have been wars where hundreds of thousands of civilians have been killed. Entire cities have been destroyed. Nations regularly sponsor the assassination of people in other countries. Allies spy on each other and play dirty tricks on each other.

Plenty of nations that do a lot of pretty shitty things on a major scale on nearly a daily basis.

Within this context picking Israel for your chief boogeyman based on stringing together incidents going back 60 years is laughable.

Kent
3/9/2020 12:59:04 pm

Well, 72 years but I won't quibble. We'll call it a 60 year pattern of bad behavior.

The USS Liberty was in international waters 25 off the coast of Egypt. It wasn't "in a warzone" until the Israelis started strafing it.

Maybe we should just kill all the Palestinians so finally the tedious complaints about "mistreatment" will stop and Israel's 60 year nightmare can finally come to an end.

Bezalel
3/9/2020 08:50:44 pm

Kent
The holy Roman catholic church has killed more non-Christians and possibly Christians over the past 1700 years than any other organization or institution on the planet.
By far.
This makes the heads of the Catholic Church more than any other the abject enemy of the human race
By far.
The idea that the state of Israel is in any way shape or form somehow guilty like the Catholic Church is guilty...is laughably and stupefyingly ignorant.
Fucking bone up on your understanding of historical reality. Add a few centuries to your 72 years idiot.

Kent
3/10/2020 02:08:53 pm

You seem to want to focus on institutional descendants of the killers rather than people presently doing actually killing. It's a wonderful rainbow world and you get to choose what you're going to worry about.

"BEZALEL
2/22/2020 10:40:01 am

'This is just the tip of this dick, so open wide bitch.'"

You are dismissed. In the box labeled "Reason" we'll just right "Seems like a rapist" m'kay?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters-1.8632555

For those of you in Rio Linda Ha`aretz is one of the two major Israeli newspapers, the other being The Jerusalem Post. The Golani Brigade profiled in the article is known for recruiting psychopaths, the poor, orphans, Israelis who live in small towns, immigrants, illiterates, people with mental problems, drug and alcohol abusers, and people with criminal records. Under the command of Ariel Sharon it was no stranger to war crimes. So it has form, as they say on the BBC.

“From the point of view of hits, I have the most. In my battalion they would say: ‘Look, here comes the killer.’ When I came back from the field, they would ask, ‘Well, how many today?’ You have to understand that before we showed up, knees were the hardest thing to rack up. There was a story about one sniper who had 11 knees all told, and people thought no one could outdo him. And then I brought in seven-eight knees in one day. Within a few hours, I almost broke his record.”

"On that day, our pair had the largest number of hits, 42 in all. My locator wasn’t supposed to shoot, but I gave him a break, because we were getting close to the end of our stint, and he didn’t have knees. In the end you want to leave with the feeling that you did something, that you weren’t a sniper during exercises only. So, after I had a few hits, I suggested to him that we switch. He got around 28 knees there, I’d say."

So yeah, boo hoo, poor Israel. So unfair to hold it accountable and write newspaper articles about how they shoot people in the kneecaps. Jesus wept.

Ben-Gurion
3/10/2020 02:55:41 pm

A spy ship not far off the Sinai during a war between israel and Egypt is in a war zone whether they like it or not. Unless you can think of another reason why the Liberty was sent orders to withdraw much further off-shore, even though the messages were ultimately delayed.

You would probably have to kill off a few hundred thousand Palestinians very quickly to fully justify the hysterical rhetoric directed toward Israel. Not a justification for some actions by Israel just pointing out the fact that everyone likes to pick their own favorite boogeyman. Just be honest about it.

Until you are better educated on the topic.......

Kent
3/10/2020 03:42:21 pm

So your argument is that IT'S OKAY BECAUSE THE JEWS ARE KILLING THE PALESTINIANS SLOWLY? M'kay.... On the other hand I think for the sake of honesty they should just kill them all at once.

If a bunch of Palestinians have to have their lower legs amputated so Eastern Europeans can live in their houses, you could make the case that that's a fair trade.

To be fair, the Palestinians did have the temerity to be living on land that the Jews wanted. That certainly explains the bombings in Egypt and the murder of the waiter in Norway.

Ben-Gurion
3/10/2020 04:09:10 pm

Kent: Look israelis killed three civilians in an air strike. Horrible!

Sane Person: Yes it was bad. Pilot error while trying to hit a terrorist rocket position intentionally set up between a school and hospital. Of course on that same day, 113 people were killed in other areas of the Middle East in sectarian violence that pre-dates the modern nation of Israel by about 1000 years. Similar body count that same day for different reasons in various regions including the US. So pick your poison.

Kent: Uh, uh, but Norway, Liberty, zionists, uh, uh....

Kent
3/10/2020 04:27:14 pm

I never said anything about an airstrike killing civilians. That's your information. When you've had your country stolen from you it's hard to put adequate space between schools and hospitals for your rocket launchers.

Did you read the article in the Israeli newspaper? The part about "Don't shoot his knee because if you hit the ambulance they'll say we shoot ambulances?

I suspect you've been shot in the kneecap as many times as you've played in the Superbowl.

Palestine doesn't have an army. They're ALL civilians.

But you've convinced me, killing Palestinians slowly is no longer a viable strategy for what would necessarily be a long term effort. Thanks to your arguments I believe all Palestinians should be killed immediately. I know I'll sleep better!

Look at all that beachfront property they're not using! Miami on the Med!

Juden vorwärts!

Ben-gurion
3/10/2020 10:10:59 pm

Kent: Look, the Israelis got caught spying on the US 30 years ago. Horrible!!

Sane person: Well, nations often spend almost as much time worrying about keeping secrets from their allies as they do their enemies. Read any WW2 history lately? Of course, the Israelis don't seem to have ever had spy boats cruising damn near in sight of Key west. If they had been doing so during the Cuban missile crisis and the the shit had actually hit the fan and the boat was hit by US war planes then people would have been too busy calling Israel out for being dumbasses to condemn the US.

Kent: uh, uh, but Zionists, Palestinians with their legs cut off, checkpoints, uh, uh....

Self-loathing new york jew who loathes the squad even more
3/11/2020 08:59:06 pm

Kent is the right of center version of the left of center crowd who thinks that it is fashionable to spout received wisdom and opinion regarding Israel. Often to the point of ignoring myriad other issues. Motivations for pushing this narrative vary. In some ways, the existence of Israel promotes some degree of stability in the Middle East . As long as the masses can be kept distracted by spinning Israel as the root of all evil, it absolved leadership in the region from anything more than token attempts at reforming social and political systems that are so repressive that they make the Jim Crow South look progressive. It also provides some degree of unity against a common enemy. Israel could disappear tomorrow and after a day of celebration the various nations would be at each others throats to the point that conflicts such as the Iran-Iraq War would be regular occurrences. Not to mention a steady stream of revolutions that replace one repressive regime with another. Everyone would be back to partying like it is 1199. Everything would be cool though because there wouldn't be any more instances of the IDF lighting up Palestinians teenagers who are tossing Molotov cocktails.

Kent
3/12/2020 01:26:18 pm

"Self-loathing New York Jew"??? You funny. Let's see what MSNBC, The Intercept, and Al-Jazeera (all known self-hating New York Jew outfits) have to say:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/07/17/nbc-removes-ayman-mohyeldin-gaza-coverage-witnesses-israeli-beach-killing-four-boys/

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2008/12/200812279451509662.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/innocent-gone-israeli-strike-gaza-kills-four-children-n157301

http://www.msnbc.com/all-in-with-chris-hayes/watch/four-boys-killed-on-gaza-beach-306364483898

Benji Gurion
3/12/2020 03:55:46 pm

Kent: Look several examples of Israelis shooting civilians. Israel shouldn't exist!

Sane person: Look several examples of Israelis imprisoned for shooting civilians. And look here several examples of Palestinian terrorists rewarded with martyrdom or their families given money for killing Israeli civilians. And look over here, here, and here several examples of Middleastern governments slaughtering their own civilians.

Kent: Uh, uh, but gaza strip, rubber bullets, mandate, uh, uh

Kent
3/12/2020 06:08:32 pm

Yeah, remember that time a Middle Eastern government killed its own citizen, Anwar Al-Awlaki?

Then two weeks later went back for seconds and killed its own citizen, his 16 year old son Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki?

Then six years later that same Middle Eastern country tracked down and killed his 8 year old daughter Nawar Al-Awlaki.

Doesn't it seem like we should have bombed that country? After all it killed its own citizens and you talk about it like it's a bad thing.

Ben and Jerry Gurion
3/13/2020 01:02:50 am

Kent: Remember when some Israelis did some bad stuff to some people?

Sane person: Yes. Do you remember when a lot of other nations did worse things to more people on many more occasions? But very little of it even gets passing mention in the 6pm news, but every time that a member of the IDF chambers a round or a Israeli jet locks on a target it makes a 72 hour run on the news cycle and Kent remembers it 5 years later.

Kent: Uh, uh, Yasser Arafat, tear gas, Druze, etc.

Hal
3/3/2020 07:40:05 pm

Kent: nobody cares.

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Kent
3/3/2020 09:10:21 pm

You might want to re-examine whatever made you think I care about what think or say.

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Not Kent
3/5/2020 01:47:17 am

Shut up, HAL.

Shut up forever

❤️

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Rich Reynolds link
3/4/2020 09:50:38 am

It continues to concern me that so many respond with comments that don't address Mr. Colavito's serious piece above but, rather, wish to demonstrate (show off) that they are punsters and UFO cutie-pies hoping for a moment of attention and "fame."

The UFO commuinity is filled with asses who don't really offer anything worthwhile as their lives ebb away and they go to their demise with a portfolio of glib nonsense that no one remembers or care about, as one commenter notes.

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Nick Danger
3/9/2020 12:43:33 pm

+1

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Franklin Reese
3/4/2020 12:52:33 pm

Judaism has one God, Yahweh. All of Canaan's neighbors had multiple gods. Judaism was different and became the Hebrew religion. Only Akenaten in Egypt matched the Hebrews in forming a Religion based on one god. He failed but the Hebrews made it stick.
New Testament believers worship three Gods, The Father ( Yahweh ), The Son ( Jesus ) and the Holy Ghost.

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Kent
3/4/2020 02:23:28 pm

So say you. What are your feelings about corn? You sound like an idiot.

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Rich Reynolds link
3/4/2020 02:21:07 pm

I suggest that soem commenters here get Kugel's The Great Shift to correct their errant notions about the Jeiwish beliefs in one God.

They didn't believe in one God, then or later.

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Rich Reynolds link
3/4/2020 02:27:31 pm

Please excuse my typos...I'm replying via my phone, riding back to our office.

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happy wheels link
3/6/2020 01:51:59 am

It is wonderful to be here with everyone, I have a lot of knowledge from what you share, to say thank you, the information and knowledge here helps me a lot

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E.P. Grondine
3/6/2020 04:10:20 pm

A part of Saint Augustin3e worth reading.

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Stranger
3/6/2020 09:23:12 pm

Yes, it is a religion. I've been to Church a few times and I'm constantly frustrated by the complete refusal of churchgoers to use their minds to rationally examine the Bible, not to question it to refute it but question it ultimately to find within it a higher truth.

And these churchgoers aren't dumb people - they're often community leaders, professionals, and business owners who certainly use their minds in everyday life. But they just "turn off" their rational minds when they interact with what is defined as sacred whether within the confines of a church or during Bible studies I've attended.

The same attitude is present in the UFO community. The UFO phenomenon is not tried to be understood rationally. Evidence isn't systematically examined with the purpose of discovering truth. The individual who believes in UFOs believes what the authorities in that field tell him to believe, just like the churchgoers believe what the pastor tells them to believe.

I think people just want a space where they can let their rational mind go and accept the presence of the divine and the sacred from a purely emotional view.

The idea that reason can be applied to systematically explore the divine and the sacred seems is never really taken seriously.

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Kent
3/7/2020 12:53:49 am

¶ 1: Very brave to think El Bible (Spanish for "The Bible") contains a higher truth, whatever that means.
¶ 2: "community leaders, professionals, and business owners" are often idiots.
¶ 3: "The individual who believes in UFOs believes what the authorities in that field tell him to believe" So people who believe that they are abductees are believing "what the authorities in that field tell [them] to believe"?
¶ 4: I think it's fine that you think that.
¶ 5: "Never" is a big word, don't you agree?

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Fox Mulder
3/8/2020 09:25:32 pm

People 300 years ago were not interpreting sleep paralysis and hallucinations as being abducted and anally probed by aliens in a spacecraft. They believed they were victims of witches or demons because that is what the "authorities" of the time said happened. Now its alien abduction. Why? Because of "authorities" pushing an alien abduction narrative that the weak-minded elect to believe or hoaxers seize upon. .

Kent
3/10/2020 06:36:51 pm

Quite a while ago we had incubi and succubi. After a brief period of Earth males impregnating alien women in the 50s-70s we moved on to the more inclusive unisex anal probing.

I've had sleep paralysis and I never mistook it for any sort of intimate contact. Anus intactus, my friend!

It sounds like you want to weed out the weak-minded just like any sane society would want to weed out the Palestinians.

"elect to believe" .... You funny!

Annie Marory
3/10/2020 11:07:46 pm

I'm quite confident that you believe that you just offered an intelligent response. I'm equally confident that everyone else would disagree. Maybe try again for a consensus after getting rid of those dust bunnies and getting in a solid 8 hours sleep.

Kent
3/11/2020 02:54:11 pm

So the fact that I DON'T believe I was anally probed by extraterrestrials in the night is a problem from your point of view?

Carl Sagan
3/9/2020 08:54:53 pm

Fox Mulder is correct

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Bezalel
3/9/2020 09:00:20 pm

Carl and Fox and Kent
The heads of the Catholic Church have been desperate to link together aliens, ancient architects and demons. Like they are all in league.
They secretly love shows like ancient aliens, misleading gullible, unintelligent and otherwise ignorant people.

Why do you think that is?

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Kent
3/10/2020 06:28:32 pm

"BEZALEL
2/22/2020 10:40:01 am

'This is just the tip of this dick, so open wide bitch.'"

Just so we can be clear when we're ordering the sign, is it rape or rapeplay that's your thing?

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