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Did Bruce Fenton Find the Homeland of Bible Giants in the Caucasus Mountains?

8/1/2014

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The Science Channel’s Unexplained Files will be broadcasting an episode from what Nephilim researcher L. A. Marzulli calls “Nephilim Central” in the Caucasus Mountains. Bruce Fenton, the author of the ridiculous book Ancient Aliens in Australia, will be participating in the network’s search for giant humanoids and has already filmed the segment, set to air sometime in the coming weeks. According to two blog posts from Fenton, the team uncovered two major discoveries in the Republic of Georgia: the tomb of a giant and a castle made from melted human bone.
A producer for the Science Channel’s Unexplained Files contacted me about their episode on giant skeletons earlier this year, and I guess this was the direction they chose to go in after I threw cold water on their original angle, that the Smithsonian was involved in a conspiracy to suppress the existence of ancient Bible giants.

Fenton has previously claimed, among other things, that the Maya were hybrid descendants of beings from the Pleiades whose blood had hallucinogenic properties. I criticized Fenton’s work almost a year ago, but apparently the Science Channel considers him a serious researcher and expert.

Fenton seems rather content to tailor his analysis to meet the expectations of his audience when it comes to Bible giants. On the Earth 4 All website Fenton explains that “we were perhaps walking ground once trod by the fantastical beings known as the Nephilim!” But in writing for The Rundown Live ten days later, Fenton says that “I tend to shy away from the subject of the biblical Nephilim” and therefore would not identify either site with Bible giants.

Because Fenton has made fantastical claims in the past that have no physical, historical, or textual evidence to support them, it is difficult to evaluate how much credence to give his claims about giants in the Republic of Georgia.

As it happens, I am rather familiar with Georgian giant mythology because I included a discussion of it in my book Jason and the Argonauts through the Ages (McFarland, 2014). Georgia is the current name for the ancient land of Colchis, where the Argonauts sailed in most versions of the Greek myth. The thing to know about Georgian mythology is that the extant sources date only from the Middle Ages and cannot be securely used to reconstruct prehistoric mythologies. They are Christianized, first of all, but also have influences from other sources, including from Armenia and from Greek mythology. The underlying structure of Georgian myths is Indo-European, but the specific stories can’t be traced back before Late Antiquity.

Now, with that said, there is actually some evidence that there were giants in Georgian myth at least in the 700s or 600s BCE. The Greeks who arrived on the shores of Colchis assigned the bondage of Prometheus to the mountains of the Caucasus. Medieval Georgian myth states that the giant Amirani was similarly chained to a mountain in the Caucasus as divine punishment for revealing arts and sciences to humanity. (It’s probably a primeval Indo-European myth.) In some areas of Colchis where the Greeks colonized, the Prometheus and Amirani myths became conflated (and remain so today), while in other areas they remained distinct. The fact that the Greeks reassigned Prometheus to the Caucasus suggests that they were attempting to identify him with Amirani during the age of Black Sea exploration, thus indicating that a myth of a giant culture hero existed in Georgia at the time. However, not all scholars agree, and some have argued that Greek mythology simply influenced Georgia directly, with the Titans influencing the conception of ancient heroes as giants. The exact references are in my book.

The Georgians themselves claim that the Amirani myth dates back to 3000 BCE, but this is speculation in line with the country’s radial claims for extreme antiquity for their language and culture, which I have discussed before. A huge problem with any claims coming out of Georgia in terms of archaeology, linguistics, and ancient history is that Georgian claims and conclusions vary, sometimes dramatically, from those of Western scholars, and always in favor of Georgian nationalism.

It is perhaps a bit surprising that Fenton doesn’t mention Amirani, the most famous Georgian giant, in discussing what he claims to have found. Well, found may be a stretch. Fenton reports that farmers exploring Borjormi-Kharagauli National Park discovered a crypt in which two giant skeletons were seated in chairs (!) across from each other at a table (!!). Fenton was attempting to locate the remains of this tomb, which supposedly (and conveniently) collapsed in 2008. He says that a group of unidentified researchers found the remains of 8-foot-tall skeletons in the wreckage. This appears to be a reference to claims made about the work of the late Georgian paleontologist Abesalom Vekua (1925-2014), who studied the Dmanisi hominids. In 2011 Russian television alleged that he had found gigantic bones, that these giants were 8 or 9 feet tall, and that they lived 25,000 years ago. According to the Russian report, he cautioned that “evidence supporting this hypothesis”—that the bones belonged to a global race of giants rather than a specific and isolated genetic population with above average height—“does not exist.” Unfortunately, the Russian report was not corroborated, and it seems likely (see the comments section below) that the report distorted or fabricated its claims.
PictureVekua with bones on Russian TV.
Although pictures of bones were broadcast on Russian television, no measurements for individual bones were given, and it appears that Vekua did not publish anything further on them before he died, at least not in English. I have no way, therefore, of evaluating the claims. The picture at left seems to show what seems to be a normal-sized human skull and what is claimed to be an over-sized human femur.

If you Google the discovery, you will quickly see that it was immediately adopted as “evidence” for a global race of red-haired Aryan giants, which supposedly included the ancestors of Jesus.

Fenton, in exploring this story, came across the ruins of a megalithic structure, one of many that stud the ancient land of Colchis and Caucasian Iberia. Unaware of the Neolithic, Bronze Age, and Iron Age cultures of the region, he wonders “who could have moved such a massive quantity of material in such an inaccessible area and had the engineering skill to construct kilometers of road.” It’s your standard fringe history argument. Fenton claims that within a solar temple dating back to the early centuries CE there are the remains of a giant humanoid, but he doesn’t provide evidence, saying only that the Science Channel “most likely” will say something about this.

He then describes another fortress, which he claims is constructed of an unusual concrete created from melted human bones.

The extremely hard concrete was made of just two ingredients, with no sign of additional mortar. There was a type of very hard stone, the pieces being just a few inches or so in size, and then bone, in my view human bone. The bone seemed to make up about 25% of the mixture. This was horrible and disturbing but not in itself fantastical.

The real discovery was that the bone seemed to have been melted and then hardened again, the bone was itself the mortar for the stone. In some places it went at impossible right angles with no sign of breaking or shattering. Somehow the bone had been softened and then compressed with the stone pieces and then hardened again. There is no known technology that can achieve this.
How he knows the bones are human he does not say, and it is especially confusing since he said that the “giant” skeleton required testing to see whether it was human bone. Worse, he says that the bones melted and then re-hardened, so how does he know they were originally bones, or human bones at that? How would he identify liquefied human bone as the mortar only by sight? How does he know how hard the concrete was if he wasn’t trying to break it? Sadly, we have no photographs of the bone concrete, only the word of a man who thinks that the Maya had hallucinogenic alien blood. This makes it difficult to judge whether his observations are correct, or whether the stones are made of a naturally-occurring sedimentary rock that included smooth chunks that happen to resemble bone, or even had been cut from a fossil bone bed.

Fenton says that this bone-built fortress “has been hinted at in Georgian myth and legends under the name of ‘the bone castle’.” I’ve read enough Georgian mythology that I should have come across the concept, but I’ll be darned if I can find anything about it. It must not be a very widespread or well-known legend.

I guess we’ll have to wait for The Unexplained Files to tell us, but I wouldn’t hold my breath about them solving these mysteries.

47 Comments
666
8/1/2014 07:00:20 am

> the Science Channel considers him a serious researcher and expert

Eileen O’Neill

http://banffmediafestival.com/eileen-oneill-group-president-discovery-channel-science-channel-and-velocity-to-deliver-a-feature-address-at-banff-world-media-festival-2014/

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Gregor
8/1/2014 07:50:25 am

Not sure what this has to do with anything in the post... unless you meant to draw attention to the fact that the BANFF site refers to Discovery Communications as "the world’s #1 nonfiction media company"... in which case, I lol'd irl.

I guess it's also "interesting" that one of the people on the BANFF Board of Directors is an exec for A&E.

Regardless, strikes me as nothing more than your typical "CEO" glad-handing bullshit. Synergize your max blast leverage for out-of-the-box Top Notch media saturation technologies!

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666
8/1/2014 08:11:36 am

Eileen O’Neill = Rubber Stamper
The buck stops with her

Roger Spurr link
2/20/2018 07:43:40 am

I have Giant body parts DNA certified (3 tests)...Cat scanned and anatomist certified also. No University will respond.
DNA report link.. http://mudfossils.com/files/Download/Results%20Information%20Mud%20Fossil%20DNA%20Analysis%20092315.pdf
I have the specimens.
Giant hand... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_6I5CBq_Ed ULL

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An Over-Educated Grunt
8/1/2014 07:14:46 am

Bone is a porous medium; whatever is in the voids would sublimate, expand, and shatter the bone long before it reached whatever theoretical melting point bone has. Further, bone chars, burns, and disintegrates to ash in normal crematoria, well below whatever its liquefaction point is. The idea that human bones can be melted down like the Terminator is just flat silly. Bones can be liquefied or dissolved into a slurry, but they don't just melt like ice cubes at any temperature when there's oxygen to combust. You'd need to pull a vacuum, then heat them, in order to melt bone. It would be quite possible to make a bone-based mortar, and bone has at least some of the building blocks of lime-based mortars, so I can buy an argument for that, if you have no other, better construction materials (like, say, limestone). However, the chemical reactions required to do that would destroy any included genetic material, so as you said, how would their humanity be documented?

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Jason Colavito link
8/1/2014 07:29:18 am

I assumed he meant that they were fossil bones (i.e., already stone) and that the fossils had been locked into a matrix of some kind and then subject to deformation. But I don't know enough about it to have any idea what would be possible in that case. It just doesn't make any sense, but look for it to be a major part of the Nephilim discussion from now on!

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Gregor
8/1/2014 07:42:33 am

Which would mean what, then? Vitrified bone-shaped rocks? Castle Glass-skull? I agree, there's no end to this rabbit-hole of crazy.

An Over-Educated Grunt
8/1/2014 07:51:28 am

Again, though, that's only plausible in geologic combinations of confinement and temperature. It could be done in controlled laboratory conditions, but there's no feasible way to apply that kind of heat in an open-air setting, especially for thin applications like mortars. The heat just dissipates too rapidly. And what he says with the bone being heated and shaped into position, wouldn't work for other reasons, namely that if they are fossilized and therefore are stone and not bone, geomaterials aren't ductile when solid, stress concentrations form at the corners, and it would therefore crack as it cools. If they are bone and not stone, bone is even more brittle than any stone, so as it cools and stress concentrations form, it cracks even sooner. If it's 29,000 years old, in a mountainous environment, "perfect" corners wouldn't exist, because it's been freeze-thawed into submission.

He's absolutely right: there is no known technology that could do this, and even if the technology existed, the materials themselves don't work that way.

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8/1/2014 09:21:40 am

What Grunt said!!! --- do picture the powdered up fossils
implied by the demand for mortar for the castle walls! we
know the Chinese powdered up fossils for a medicinal
cure, so if the Georgians did a likewise for a building then
i am not surprised. i may be rather depressed at its scope
and may wonder at the age of the fossils, but at least this
does make sense on an intuitive level. interesting blog!!!

EP
8/1/2014 09:45:05 am

I may have identified the Georgian source for the "bone castle" allusion. It's in the same area as Fenton's adventure - and it's totes a real thing! (Well, kinda...)

http://www.geotrace.ge/index.php?a=main&pid=460&lang=eng

Fenton either may have been trolled by the locals, or is even dumber than we had reason to think...

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Mickey Mouse
2/20/2016 04:31:18 pm

Depends on what level of technology you're working with, you're obviously one of those arrogant smug sneering egomaniacal pricks who discounts everything they can't immediately prove/disprove whilst assuming everyone/anyone else cannot possibly know about stuff that you don't know about because it couldn't even exist if you don't know about it because that would make you look stupid if it did and we can't have that now can we?

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EP
8/1/2014 07:17:01 am

Vekua is a serious scientist. I think he's being misrepresented. Let me look into the Russian sources and get back to you.

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Only Me
8/1/2014 07:28:23 am

Jason, come on, man! Fenton found Castle Greyskull in Georgia! How can you not be excited about that?

If the giant skeleton turns out to be true, then it must belong to Prince Adam - who had fabulous secret powers revealed to him the day he held aloft his magic sword...and you know the rest.

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Gregor
8/1/2014 07:39:10 am

*Prince Adamshvili - Georgian Pride! Obviously it was he and Lord Skeletorski facing off across a magical table built of an unknown element tentatively nicknamed "Woodium".

We'll have to wait and see if he discovers a tiger skeleton hiding in the corner with its skeletal paws over its ocular cavities.

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Only Me
8/1/2014 08:07:15 am

I'm Cringer-ing in anticipation! He'll send it out of the park when he finds the remains of the hat belonging to the court magician, Orkov.

Screaming Eagle
8/1/2014 10:29:06 am

WOW! That brings back some memories. Only Me, Gregor - please tell me you were wide-eyed kids in the early 80's! I would hate to think that you had to spend time looking up He-Man facts on Google...

Gregor
8/1/2014 04:52:39 pm

I was, and am, quite familiar with Prince Adam of Eternia and the mysteries of Castle Greyskull. Had a few of the toys (never the purple Battle Cat, though), and saw (secretly enjoyed) the live-action movie starring Dolph Lundgren.

There's even some allegations that I had He-Man bedsheets... but if you persist in such madness I shall fight it in the courts and in the press.

EP
8/1/2014 04:56:06 pm

I'm surrounded by nerds! On the Internet!

Shane Sullivan
8/1/2014 06:25:06 pm

"(never the purple Battle Cat, though)"

Oh yeah, Panthro! I had Panthro. And Battle Cat, and Snake Mountain with the battery-operated Skeletor microphone...

Only Me
8/1/2014 07:31:09 pm

Shane, if you still have that battery-operated Skeletor microphone...GET RID OF IT! It's really an alien anal probing device!

@Screaming Eagle

Hell yes! Child of the 80's, definitely. They just don't make cartoons like they did back then anymore.

Gregor
8/1/2014 07:35:07 am

Tangential to the topic, but related to The Unexplained Files: From what little I've seen, they've already taken to "shared" footage and recycled claims. The first episode was shown immediately following the despicable "Russian Yeti" fiasco and included the same footage, claims and irrational explanations. An episode I caught the other day had Chuck Zukowksi, a "former sheriff" (deputy). He was in the original series pretending to be a serious researcher who just happened to think that all cattle / livestock mutilations were the product of UFOs, supported by three elderly ranchers who didn't seem to really have any idea what they were talking about (even with farm animals).

In his second appearance (now in New Mexico, instead of Colorado), he put forth the modest, sensible opinion that.......UFOs are mutilating livestock, only this time 'in the wild'. You know, because... 'n stuff. His couched, "well gosh, mister!" delivery of said claim was downright laughable.

Anyways, given the comment about Fenton appearing on The Unexplained Files, just thought I'd chime in. Obviously none of this junk was original to the show, but now it would seem they're already rehashing the rehashed rehashings.

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666
8/1/2014 07:45:52 am

>>>UFOs are mutilating livestock

Good sci-fi
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083885/

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Gregor
8/1/2014 07:52:20 am

Haven't seen the movie, but from the plot description that's more or less how Zukowski presents himself. Except, you know, minus actual police training (elected / unilaterally appointed law enforcement positions) and such.

Chuck Zukowski link
8/8/2014 09:02:09 am

now now Gregor, go to my website or just Google my name and you'll see I don't pretend to be a Field Investigator. Yes there are a lot of idiots on TV shows who are really actors, but not me. As for the ranchers, these guys are second and third generation ranchers, cut them some slack, they're not used to being in front of the camera. This year I worked with the Ohio Department of Agriculture about their mute cases, they had no idea what was going on. Since 1967 any case that was investigated by law enforcement departments have failed to locate human intervention. There's more to this than what you see on TV. Also people like you need to get your butt off the couch and see for yourself, because we investigators laugh at your stupid comments too on these threads. It goes both ways I guess, still we listen to constructive comments, because that's how we learn.

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EP
8/8/2014 03:33:38 pm

"For weirdness to flourish, it requires a combination of dramatic history, amazing environments, and truly unique, off-the-grid characters. Colorado is blessed with all three!"
-- From a blurb for "Weird Colorado", to which Chuck Zukowski "contributed"

I googled your name. No Wikipedia page yet, eh? Better get on that...

EP
8/1/2014 07:45:49 am

"In 2011 [Vekua] told Russian television and other media that he had found gigantic bones, that these giants were 8 or 9 feet tall, and that they lived 25,000 years ago."

The original Russian report does not have him say any of these things. He never says that he found the bones he's talking about. He doesn't give any measurements of the "giants" and he doesn't say how old the bones are. These claims are made by the narrator before the interview begins. (Note that the original news report dubs Russian over Vekua's Georgian.) My faith in Vekua's integrity is far greater than in that of the journalists responsible.

Vekua himself doesn't really "do" Upper Paleolithic. His excavations, including Dmanisi, are of much earlier sites (millions, not tens of thousands of years old). Also, his latest publications acknowledge that the bones from Dmanisi do not belong to a new hominid species, as was originally proposed, but to a subspecies of Homo erectus. Original claim by Vekua and his colleagues (assuming it wasn't initially a legitimate hypothesis) is just as likely to be motivated by scientific vanity as it is by nationalism.

In any case, Vekua is clearly discussing some isolated population that developed a local variation, not a global race of giants or even a separate species.

Otar Bagratiani, another person interviewed in the video (and discussed in the Aryan article you linked), is a lecturer in political science at a scool of management in Tbilisi, so I bet he is a good example of nationalistic (and unprofessional) archeology in Georgia. The video itself is hosted on a channel of a Georgian fringe author.

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Jason Colavito link
8/1/2014 07:57:56 am

Thanks for checking on that. I knew something wasn't right when I couldn't find any mainstream mentions of Vekua in connection with "giants." It looks to be more fringy claims from unreliable sources taking scholars out of context to support wild ideas. I never believe anything I see on Russian TV. The English language RT channel is bad enough, with its claims about multiple alien species invading the US government!

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EP
8/1/2014 08:06:44 am

Vekua isn't even an archaeologist, really. Nor did he have anything to do with whatever shady business some of these people are up to in the Borjomi Gorge. I doubt it would have even been within his jurisdiction, although he was an enormously influential academic in Georgia.

In any case, the last thing he deserves is have his name be associated with any of this fringe lunacy.

666
8/1/2014 08:04:04 am

E.A. Jensen, Manipulating The Last Pure Godly DNA: The Genetic Search for God's DNA on Earth, page 174 (Trafford Publishing, 2012)


From an article dated from September 3, 2011, giant human remains were found in Georgia. The scientists are telling that the height of these human giants could range from 2.5 to 3 metres (8.2 feet to 9.8 feet (decimal)). From the article at Trend.Az:

"Georgia, Tbilisi, Sept.3/Trend N. Kirtskhalia/

"The bones of giant people aged over 25,000 years were found in the mountains of the Borjomi Gorge (South Georgia). This is a sensational discovery, academician od the Georgian Science Academy Abesalom Vekua told media.

(Source: pda.trend.az/en/1926150.html)

Prof. Dr. Abesalom Vekua, a leading scientific researcher of the Georgian National Museum, further explained:

"Pay attention to the lumber bone, it differs from the bones of modern man in size and thickness. The skull is also much larger. These people have lived and evolved in isolation from the rest of civilization, they are so different in features and growth. In the literature they were referred to as giants, but evidence supporting this hypothesis does not exist. Thus, we are on the threshold of a sensation. But a confirmation will have to be preceded by hard work."

(Source: www.sydhav.no/giants)

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EP
8/1/2014 08:08:40 am

Yeah, the last bit is just a translation of the Russian dubbing of Vekua in the original news report. This isn't anything he said in print anywhere. (Or possibly at all, since they dubbed over whatever he said in Georgian.)

666
8/1/2014 08:09:02 am


http://www.sydhav.no/giants/homo_sapiens_giants.htm

Russian major tv-channel

Another startling find has recently been done in the Borjomi Gorge in Georgia, close to the Caucasus Mountains: Bones that belonged to humans that lived 25 thousand years ago, human giants that would have been from 2.5 to 3 meters tall (about 9 to 10 feet)! The expedition was filmed and it was showed as a news item at the Russian major TV-channel Channel One. The well known academic Abesalom Vekua shows the bones on the film and tells that he believes that the find is a sensation, as in the scientific community long has debated if there were giants who inhabited certain areas of Eurasia thousands of years ago. The bones were found in a crypt in a ruined and unknown settlement in an isolated and now uninhabited area.

EP
8/1/2014 08:16:43 am

I'm proud of you for having learned how to use google. But you just linked to the same website where the Aryan article Jason linked to is to be found.

All of these are third-hand (at best) reports of the same story, which is sensationalist report by a media outlet with few journalistic scruples.

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666
8/1/2014 08:19:14 am

> I'm proud of you for having learned how to use google

It's only a Search Engine

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EP
8/1/2014 08:21:38 am

...gotta keep working on mastering sarcasm, though...

Only Me
8/1/2014 08:24:31 am

King Arthur: [in awe] Camelot!

Sir Galahad: [in awe] Camelot!

Sir Lancelot: [in awe] Camelot!

Patsy: [derisively] It's only a model!

King Arthur: Shh!

666
8/1/2014 08:49:42 am

This blog itself itself is only on the intenet
Gee, how sad, limiting oneself to the internet

Should stick to on-the-spot research, interviewing notable experts face-to-face, accessing ancient manuscripts and going through hundreds of sources on microfiche

After doing that, organise field studies and travel tours

EP
8/1/2014 08:57:18 am

Way to put all of us in our place, yo.

(...That was more sarcasm. Hope that helps.)

666
8/1/2014 09:29:55 am

Arthurian stuff was all about glistening up pedigree

Within this context Geoffrey of Monmouth and the discovery of the bones in Glastonbury should be viewed

French historian Georges Duby (1919-1996) had the insight to grasp this

Not the Comte de Saint Germain
8/1/2014 07:50:36 pm

You don't have a clue what Only Me is talking about, do you?

EP
8/1/2014 08:54:58 am

Jason, I don't know if you're planning to do it, but you should probably indicate in the blog post that there are serious reasons to doubt that a major scientist made all the claims that are being attributed to him. Otherwise, you may inadvertently contribute to legitimation of the very nonsense you're opposing.

"But the famous paleontologist Abesalom Vekua found bones of 25,000 y.o. giants! Are you going to challenge his expert opinion? Even the *pathological skeptic* Jason Colavity acknowledges Vekua's work in this area!"

etc., etc...

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Jason Colavito link
8/1/2014 10:20:53 am

I edited the above post to indicate that the Russian report is dubious.

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EP
8/1/2014 01:19:02 pm

By the way, could you tell me what your sources are for Georgian nationalism in the study of ancient history? (Aside from Gia Kvashilava, I mean.)

It would help me a great deal, as I'm currently studying the works of Nicholas Marr.

Jason Colavito link
8/1/2014 01:54:51 pm

It's not an objective analysis but rather my own observation reading various Georgian scholars' articles on Colchis, Greek colonies, Linear A, etc. They all have very different conclusions from Western scholars. Kvashilava is an extreme example, but it also occurs in other scholars' work. I can't think of the name of the guy at the moment, but there's one who wrote about Greek colonies in Colchis that I included in my Argonauts book, and his claims were noticeably (but not dramatically) different from Western perspectives, to the benefit of Colchis. Similarly, there is a lot of emphasis placed on the oldest possible dates for various pre-Colchian kingdoms, which Western scholars don't typically accept.

EP
8/1/2014 02:41:44 pm

There is a long history of nationalism in Georgian history and linguistics. It predates the Soviets, in fact. I just haven't heard the thing about the Golden Fleece representing the grain of Georgia. (It's particularly strange because Georgia isn't exactly known for its grain, unlike, say, Ukraine. Colchis was believed to be a gold-producing country, however.)

It's particularly interesting because in 1930s and 40s Nicholas Marr was as close as a scientist could get to being dogmatically imposed by the Soviet government. He was a Georgian and is the source of many claims for historical centrality of Kartvelian languages. (Check out "Japhetic theory" - it is literally Velikovsky-tier insane pseudoscience.)

Stalin, in spite of also being a Georgian, was very much against Georgian nationalism. Marr, in fact, was valued because his theories were presented in internationalist, Marxist terms. But one day Stalin got mad at the nonsense prevalent in Soviet linguistics and denounced Marr and his followers.

You may find it interesting that Zviad Gamsakhurdia, the first president of post-Soviet Georgia and himself an academic, did endorse many of these nationalistic claims in his public speeches. Here is a fun example:

http://rustaveli.tripod.com/mission.html

.
8/1/2014 09:41:07 am

Here are a few of John Hawks's blogs on the Georgian hominids...

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/lower/dmanisi/d4500-lordkipanidze-2013.html

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/lower/dmanisi/schwartz-zollikofer-exchange-dmanisi-2014.html

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/fossils/habilis/er/er-1813-africanus-malapa-2010.html


At 1.8 million years ago, the discovery of a hominin community
in Dminisi, Georgia on the edge of the great Eurasian steppe
gives us a link to ancient migratory patterns as we see a tree
developing for human evolution. the hominins in that community
could be our remote ancestors or their near relations. current
thinking debates including Homo Habilis inside Homo Erectus
or whether not to... the find is legitimate and respected. to tie in
a hypothetical Ice Age community into this is a big leap of over
1.75 million years. we humans are less diverse than we think
we are, to morph things together is to play a YEC game, thusly.

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mickel
11/7/2016 05:27:58 am

A dubbed interview with Vekua is hardly anything of consequence. I'd be pretty sure whether this was his specific field or not that he'd have published information about hominids, human or not that were over 9 foot tall! Its not like he'd ignore it! Plus even if there was a group that were 10 foot tall...well so what? Of what consequence is this for anthropology?

That's be like Stephen Hawking discovering the universe is a computer simulation and not publishing anything about it!

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tony
6/12/2017 11:04:06 am

So there is a video of a famous Russian archaelogist, speaking outside his specific area, about a bone he is holding, in amidst other human looking bones, including a normal sized skull. Why? That bone he's holding looks to my untrained eye like the other not so big bone. The graphic tells the story the pro-giant crowd wants it to without any translation, doesn't it?

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