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Did Columbus Find an Ancient Mosque in Cuba?

6/22/2013

57 Comments

 
Eurocentric and Afrocentric believers are not the only people who want to remake the prehistory of the Americas in their own image. There is also a movement among some Muslim advocates to claim that Middle Eastern or North African Muslim groups came to America centuries before Columbus. Most of their “evidence” is vague accounts of Muslim travelers who sailed west from Islamic Spain and returned some time later claiming to have reached new lands. However, Dr. Youssef Mroueh of the As-Sunnah Foundation of America made a particularly fanciful claim in 1996 to celebrate the “millennium” of Muslim America that bears a bit of scrutiny since it is yet another example of alternative history’s slipshod scholarship and fabricated quotations.

Here is what Mroueh claimed Christopher Columbus said during his first voyage to the Americas, in October of 1492:

Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain.

Now that would be a surprising turn of events were it true. So where did Mroueh get his information? His source, he says, is Nigel Davies’s Voyagers to the New World (1979), a book that actually sought to debunk most trans-Atlantic contact theories. I can’t find a reference to this claim in the book, but Google’s search function may have missed it. Other sources attribute the claim to Ivan van Sertima, but in what publication I do not know. That isn’t important though because pretty much everything Mroueh reports is utterly wrong.

First, October 21, 1492 was not a Monday. The actual date of the event in question was Monday, October 29, 1492. Columbus and his crew were sailing near a particularly pleasant river that he had named San Salvador. There he encountered the source of Mroueh’s fictitious claim, as given (in the third person, from the redaction of Bartolome de las Casas) in his journal of his first voyage, describing what historians now believe is the region near Bariay, not Gibara, as Mroueh—following older sources—claimed:

Remarking on the position of the river and port, to which he gave the name of San Salvador, he describes its mountains as lofty and beautiful, like the Pena de las Enamoradas, and one of them has another little hill on its summit, like a graceful mosque. The other river and port, in which he now was, has two round mountains to the S.W., and a fine low cape running out to the W.S.W.

And there you have it: The “mosque” was merely a poetic description of a natural formation.

But let’s take a moment to consider the impact of this dumb idea. First, and most disturbingly, this idea has been repeated time and again on the internet and in Islamic literature as support for the idea of a preexisting Islamic claim to the Americas predating European claims. (Native Americans, in this view, still don’t count.) It shows up in Christine Huda Dodge’s introduction to Islam, The Everything Understanding Islam Book (2003), and in Islamic websites far and wide. The Cuban government has done little to counter the speculation, and some scattered reports, including one in Frederick William Dame’s Muslim Discovery of America (2013), suggest that Cuba favors such speculation as a way of increasing financial ties with Arab nations.

The claims for a Muslim presence in America can be traced back to a passage in Al-Masudi, the tenth-century Islamic historian whose Meadows of Gold (c. 947 CE) offers this account of a voyage across the ocean, which, to my knowledge, is typically excerpted in highly redacted form by advocates of Islamic discovery of America:

On the limits where these two seas, the Mediterranean and the Ocean join, pillars of copper and stone, have been erected by King Hirakl the giant [i.e. Heracles]. Upon these pillars are inscriptions and figures, which show with their hands that one cannot go further, and that it is impracticable to navigate beyond the Mediterranean into that sea (the ocean), for no vessel sails on it: there is no cultivation nor a human being, and the sea has no limits neither in its depths nor extent, for its end is unknown. This is the sea of darkness, also called the green sea or the surrounding sea. Some say that these pillars are not on this strait, but in some islands of the ocean and their coast.

Some people consider this sea as the origin of all others. There are some wonderful stories related respecting it, for which we refer the reader to our book the Akhbár ez-zemán; there he will find an account of those crews who have risked their lives in navigating this sea, and who of them have escaped, and who have been shipwrecked, also what they have encountered and seen. Such an adventurer was a Moor of Spain, of the name of Khoshkhash. He was a young man of Cordoba: having assembled some young men they went on board a vessel which they had ready on the ocean, and nobody knew for a long time what had become of them. At length they came back loaded with rich booty. Their history is well known among the people of el-Andalos (the Moors in Spain).  (Chapter 12, trans. Aloys Sprenger, pp. 282-283)

This is the oldest text advocates use to claim a Muslim voyage to America, and a truncated translation, comprising only the last few sentences, appeared in 1968 in a Journal of the Muslim Students’ Association article by Mohammed Hamidullah about the “Muslim Discovery of America before Columbus” and thereafter became canonical alternative history.

Alternative thinkers have read into this story a voyage to the Americas and back, though it’s clear from the first paragraph, often omitted, that Masudi himself assumed this impossible and that at any rate no regular commerce across the ocean was occurring. If this voyage ever really happened, it’s possible it actually went along the old Carthaginian route of Hanno toward sub-Saharan Africa, where medieval African kingdoms were known to have great wealth. Had Khoshkhash (also spelled Khashkhash) actually thought he had voyaged across the Atlantic, it surely would have occurred to Masudi to note that there were humans of some sort on the other side of the “limitless” ocean.



Special thanks to blog comment poster Mansa Musa for bringing this to my attention in comments on an earlier blog post.
57 Comments
Only Me
6/22/2013 10:44:56 am

Jason, I must admit to being confused. It seems every ethnocentric alternative history group is stumbling over each other to lay claim to being the first to discover North America. What exactly is their endgame? If such a discovery can be proven true, how does this change anything? Your own research revealed that any land/legal claims were rendered void once America became a sovereign nation. It seems silly that anyone would put forth such effort to validate, what is ultimately, a moot point.

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Jason Colavito link
6/22/2013 12:09:49 pm

No, there aren't any legal claims. It's about group pride and political/social empowerment. In the case of the Islamic voyages, it serves a social function by validating a longstanding Islamic presence and thus creating a sense that Islam "belongs" in America, making the United States a more comfortable territory. This is not dissimilar to the way the European colonists created an imaginary European prehistory for America, or more recently the way Scandinavian immigrants suddenly "discovered" evidence of Norse and Swedish incursions in the Midwest.

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Only Me
6/22/2013 12:51:57 pm

Thanks, Jason! Your commitment to truth and factual history is refreshing. Although AA Theory led me to your site, your body of work is wonderfully free of (self-)plagiarism and relentless spin-doctoring. Keep up the good fight!

Nathan B
11/15/2014 04:44:10 pm

Basically muslims are trying to claim america as their territory. If they can claim that they were there in the americas first in an islamic mind it would mean that this particular land belongs to muslims (this is how the islamic mind works). So what this does is just increase muslim resentment for the west. And this was the goal of Recep Tayyip Erdogan. I guess due to the state of mental disease westerners are suffering from it would mean that the scholars may not even attempt to correct the lies due to not wanting to labled an "islamophobe/bigot/racist". Well, when muslims come to claim (reclaim in islamic minds) i guess the western academics who abdicated from professional responsibility would have contributed to their own downfall.

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Ethan
11/16/2014 02:50:56 pm

I am sure Erdogan does not give a damn interest in whoever discovered Americas first. Is was a meeting with south American Muslim leaders and he knew this kind of a statement would take some attention from the world. And by the way islamic mind doesnt work as you described. Islam is not based on land. Its based on brotherhood. Lands are always concuered to bring islam to the others. Not to have their land, to let them know that there is just one god not 3 ;)

Eren
11/19/2014 10:22:16 am

I agree with Ethan, Erdogan doesnt care who discovered the Americas first. He is more interested in an influential and well-known/ recognised Turkey than anything else. Current talk of actually building a mosque in Cuba, I think, is a good step forward to not only opening up Cuba but also breaking down their barriers.
Granted, Turkey has alot of issues to deal with on its homefront and this may just a first step to bridging its negative image abroad. But starting to rewrite its own history books, for me, is going a little too far as we dont have all the details and facts.

Nuradin
6/10/2015 03:08:50 am

What the fuck do you know about Islam and "Islamic Mind"... ???

Moe
11/2/2015 10:31:57 am

Sorry but muslims dont think that way , as they dont claim Jerusalem is thier holy land that was promised by god as other casts do , but they have holy mosque there so they wana defend it ,,

but if they think as what u say n u back to history then italy , south france , spain , portugal and many other countries would be claimed by them

your approach is mistaken buddy , the question here is just to prove the true history not the fake one.. no more...

Kibria
2/10/2020 02:05:28 am

You should keep this thing in your mind that according to Muslim creator of all the world and universe is Allah. They can perform their prayer anywhere in the world even in the universe. They need not to make a false claim of any land to offer their prayer.

dan
12/4/2014 01:22:13 pm

the endgame is that radical muslims preach that ALL countries that muslims once ruled are destined to belong to them once again.. By saying there was a mosque in ancient cuba it lays the groundwork for a large muslim push to take over north and south america, and all the surrounding lands....
This is pretty much what ISIS is trying to accomplish right now in eurasia

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Tariq
1/22/2015 05:00:31 pm

Actually, the theory of land ownership by Europeans comes through the Papal edict that was issued in 16th century to, 'capture and plunder the lands and enslave the descedants of Ham..' To address the issue at hand, 9th century Arabic texts of the Qur'an found in clay pots in Rhode Island just last year so it is already been confirmed that Muslims were here first. And yes we do have land rights that the U.S. does not want to recognize just like it has treaties with many other, "Native American", and it is acting like they don't exist or delaying the cases in court to allow the people they literally gave the land to to basically keep stolen property. That is why we keep bringing it up, land of the free? Yes the land that the U.S. claims is not all theirs the government knows it and doesn't want the rest of the world to know.

Erik
1/7/2016 06:04:42 am

Tariq that has been proven to be a hoax... Rhode island is an extremely inhospitable landscape... sea winds and cold and damp... next time you want to perpetuate a hoax you should pick a more suitable climate like new Mexico or Arizona.

Ramzi Haroun
5/29/2022 01:40:27 am

According to Julian Calendar , in Spain, October 21st 1492 was indeed Monday , and Sunday in the Americas. The Gregorian calendar started in 1582 by Pope Gregory XIII as a modification of, and replacement for, the Julian Calendar. Therefore, the statement "Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain," written by Mroueh is correct. It is a known fact that Muslim Europeans of the Middle Ages were far more advanced than their non-Muslim counterparts, thanks to the Golden Ages of Spain and Sicily under Muslim rule. Yet, many people forget that Muslim astronomers and mariners played an important role in the discovery of the New World – for instance, the astronomical tools and maps which Columbus used had been perfected by Muslims. In fact, Muslims had made contact with the New World even before Columbus!

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Dave Lewis
6/22/2013 06:01:26 pm

I'm glad you are through reviewing Hidden History, which was pretty dry, and back to exposing interesting weird claims.

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Christopher Randolph
6/22/2013 06:16:41 pm

This is the first I'm hearing of this, and I've spent plenty of time discussing America with Arab Muslims on their turf, certainly a group who can hold their own in ethnic braggery. I take it from that that this is not a widespread belief.

I have been exposed to any number of the silly urban legends and folk beliefs of the region and this is not one I'd heard. People in the Arab world are usually very enthused about sharing facts or "facts" which aggrandize the accomplishments of the region, and/or which are taken to support the validity of Islam. A favorite claim of mine is the literal belief in djinn (genies), who are said to favor running water or pipes to hang out in. They are named in the Quran along with angels and people etc and therefore must exist. Thus I've been presented "actual photos of djinn" printed out from Islamic sites which are actually stills from the original Creature from the Black Lagoon movie. The fin-hands and gill-neck are said to jibe with the water claim.

Interestingly even without the mosque nor any claim of contact, people who would not have had contact with Muslims to that point would likely be considered a form of latent or 'natural' Muslim. Likewise Jews and Christians who lived and died before the advent of Islam are retroactively considered to have been Muslims. This is said to be the normal state of people (and animals for that matter) unless misled by knowing apostasy. This seems therefore more to lean toward an Arab ethnic pride claim than a religious pride one.

While I don't buy the idea that there were mosques in the Caribbean in 1492, it's a claim that would be rather more believable than Scandinavians in Minnesota in 1392. At least this is a coastal area.

More reasonable Muslims looking for real evidence of early Islam in American can and do look at West African slaves:

http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/afammuslims.htm

This has been a pretty useful proselytizing tool in the Afr-Am community. The plain fact is that there were waves of sequentially suppressed African Muslims in what's now the US beginning over 200 years before most of us white folks had one ancestor set one foot on the continent.

I'll add that 90% of Muslims aren't Arabs at all (for that matter 10% of Arabs aren't Muslim...), and opinion in the Arab world (which is more diverse than we generally give it credit) on these things should not be extrapolated to the even more diverse and larger Muslim world.

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Rohmaya Asherah
11/15/2014 03:11:23 pm

Sure the djinn photos aren't actually kappa photos? And I'm not talking drunken frat kids. I'm talking about Japanese water spirits that go around pouncing on kids.

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Gunn
6/23/2013 03:17:01 am

http://dominorus.narod.ru/roseau.html

Just food for thought, since someone mentioned how weird it would be for medieval-era Scandinavians to have reached into Minnesota.

If authentic, the Roseau stone may suggest a medieval "Russian" angle into this region as well. Not much is known about this artifact, and I would like to know more about it, if possible (but without feeling a need to respond to crass comments, if possible).

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Varika
6/23/2013 10:32:18 am

I doubt the authenticity of this stone as a runestone of any sort. It is clearly carved, yes, but even in the purported original photos, the pattern does not seem to match the purported transcription of runes below. I can say with some authority that the "face" is just a very normal human trait of seeing patterns in randomness; the human brain is hardwired to recognize faces before anything else, so there are a LOT of miscues during an individual's lifetime. The profile photos make it clear that the surface is more or less smooth, which makes the "face" merely the natural coloring of the rock. I would say that the band around it is more like a feather pattern than writing in any language, but without being able to see more than a series of photos--that the article itself even says not to strictly trust--clearly either I nor anyone else can be definitive. Nonetheless, I also find it highly suspicious that something supposedly so "important" was "defaced by acid" later while two scientists were "studying" it. If I heard such a story without photographs existing, I would look at the storyteller and call them an outright liar. With the photographs, I have to say that it sounds more like "I made this thing and took photographs of it, then destroyed it so nobody could look close enough to see that I used a dental drill on it."

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Morten Greis link
6/23/2013 07:39:25 pm

As to the idea of the importance of who discovered America first, I actually believe, that Carl Barks explored the idea bes with two of his Donald Duck-stories.
In the story Luck of the North (1949) Donald Duck and Gladstone Gander are treasure hunting. In this story Gladstone ends up with a huge gold treasure, however Donald Duck ends up with a map proving the vikings' discovery of America, and the story reveals this to be the greatest treasure - though it never tells us why.
This is however followed up by the story The Golden Helmet (1952) (not a sequel to Luck of the North though), where Donald Duck finds a map, that prooves that America was discovered by the Viking Olaf the Blue, and thus his descendants - in this case whoever holds the Golden Helmet - becomes the "owner" and ruler of America. This naturally tempts the possessor with corrupting power etc.
Especially in the second story Barks explores the idea of why it is important to be the discoverer of America, because it grants you rights to America - or at least validates your presence in America (as Jason mentioned in a comment above). This phenomenon also occurs in a different form, where it becomes a matter of discovering the discoverer - not so much to establish your presence in the new lands, but to gain some ownership through the act of discovering. If you cannot discover the object yourself (for instance America), then you can discover the first discoverer and gain fame for that instead. It results in works like "1421 - The Year China discovered America", but it can also be found in litterature on vikings and the discovery of America, where you will find the authors - often unaware seemingly - tries to find the first "white" something: The first white man to see America, the first white man to set foot on America, the first white woman in America, the first white child born in America etc. It is often just a throwaway line the text, but it is there.

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Gunn
6/25/2013 02:30:33 am

On the other hand, we don't want to ignore certain exploratory aspects of history, just because they may be "white."

Bias is bias, like some "affirmative action" attempts.

What is our obligation in reporting history? Are some looking for an "affirmative action" reporting of history?

We are talking about either over-reaching or under-reaching in correctly reporting history. We are looking for the right approach, and the right balance. It is a delicate dance around the true rim of history.

Much new history comes to life because life is a circle, a deep circle carved in stone, repeating the cycle of history knowledge, from then to now: we discover.

We want of true record-book of who discovers, whatever color the cover.

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Only Me
6/25/2013 02:52:27 pm

Gunn, to which "certain exploratory aspects of history" are you referring? Of late, Jason's most recent posts have shown that there are probably as many claims for voyages leading to the discovery of America, as there are groups motivated by ethnic/cultural pride to support these claims. It matters not how fantastical or unfounded they may be; all that matters is that someone has bragging rights.

Average Bee
7/16/2013 04:15:38 pm

Yeah. You were right when you said that you heard it came from Ivan Van Sertima.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gea0JxAu_6o

That's Dr. Ivan Van Sertima, by the way.

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Burak
11/14/2014 10:37:04 pm

And why am I here at the middle of the night? Of course because our moronic president decided to claim this is true and I just had to google to see what the hell he's talking have about. The sad thing is I'm sure most of his voters never heard of this before and now it's an undeniable truth for them.

Good bloody night!

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Trevor
11/15/2014 06:24:35 am

Also here because of Erdogan! Haha. Thanks for the read.

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Amir
11/15/2014 09:05:32 am

Here we go again, an old wound between Muslims and Christians opened up again.
Does it really matter who invaded the America? Whoever did, the outcome was a criminal act against the red Indians who lived there peacefully before the invasion of so called believers in God.
Thankfully it was not done by Ottomans Empire. May be the result was even worse

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Glen
11/17/2014 04:02:54 am

Amir, the "Red" Indians, or otherwise known by their self defined tribal bands, did not "live in peace".
The mere fact that geographic regions of "Native" Americans self differentiated is indication enough of a level of friction.
All areas of the globe were "discovered" by humans. Attempting to ascribe ownership based upon this concept is a philosophical fallacy.
Wherever humans congregated in sufficient numbers, there was war. Sadly, this reality appears to be indicative of the species, not any of its cultures.
The idea of a "Eden" world of the Americas, one of peaceful human co-existance, is entirely untrue. However, there is no doubt the Europeans arrived far better equiped to win a fight. Why? Because, unlike the Americas, Europe, Asia, and Africa had vastly more people, creating vastly more opportunities for conflict, creating vastly more effort into improving ones ability to wage war.

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Rohmaya Asherah
11/15/2014 02:52:30 pm

Who gives a bleep? Maybe all the Cubans really wanted from the Muslims were Medina's steampunk umbrellas. You know, the ones around the Prophet's Mosque, that enormous building with the green dome that Wahhabis want to demolish because they think green domes are going to forment idolatry. Never mind that the green dome marks their own religion's Prophet's grave.

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Rohmaya Asherah
11/15/2014 02:56:10 pm

The Saudis want to sacrifice history to make Islam's holy ground a steampunk fantasyland. Think of the romance of the old tales of Araby, throw modern electricity into the mix and have everybody STILL walk all over it on foot. Oh yeah, and keep the Kaaba standing. Everything else can go, but keep the oversized black TARDIS in the middle of it all, because it's the holiest site in Islam.

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Biscuit
11/15/2014 09:42:26 pm

Probably sailors from Islamic Spain and Iceland and who knows elsewhere did land in the Americas before Columbus. The great majority of events from history are unrecorded or records and their traces are lost. What we understand as history is utterly contaminated by the intervention of chance - intention, biased record keeping and preservation &c of course but overwhelmingly chance.

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Suleman
11/16/2014 08:51:52 am

Well we Native Americans were here in (America) when Christopher Columbus came to America. Therefore, he didn't discover anything unless the word DISCOVER has different meaning like Visitor or Guest or Immigrant or something similar. The Native Americans own America from South to North. Nobody else can claim it. Everybody else is an immigrant.

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Sergie
11/17/2014 02:30:02 am

Where is your land title? Please show us.

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Cena Foura
12/30/2016 08:35:18 am

So says the muslim, Suleman.

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Ant
11/16/2014 03:33:29 pm

If mankind originated in Africa, as is widely believed, then everyone everywhere, with the exception of people near the point of origin in Africa, is an immigrant. This would include the Native Americans who "own America from south to north."

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Cem
11/16/2014 05:55:04 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Voyagers-New-World-Nigel-Davies/dp/0688033962

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Balakrishna
11/16/2014 08:12:14 pm

Forget about the West Coast. Lets talk about the west. We know for sure that there were contacts between Polynesians and Native Americans on one side and Polynesians and Chinese on the other. So, it's highly possible that the Chinese would have heard of a huge landmass way east, across the ocean. And it is always possible that a Chinese junk reached the Americas and it can be anywhere between 400 BC and 1400 AD. There are actually three more plausible routes for communicating with the Americas -
1. Iceland, Greenland and West
2. China and Seas
3. Bering Strait.
We know that there is a migration from Asia into Americas across the Bering. In the hypothetical case that only a part of the populace migrated across the land bridge, there would have been a two way communication for some time before the water rose up splitting the people. Surely, the eastern lands would have been present in the collective memory and there would have been expeditions to search for their missing brethren...

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GLEN
11/17/2014 04:13:56 am

You're assuming far too much in terms of human populace. It is entirely likely that those who crossed the landbridge represented the entire "tribe". These were very small groupings of nomadic peoples, well before establishes cities and wider cultural groupings.
As well, to believe this crossing represented the first and only epicenter of human establishment on the Americas is foolishly optimistic.
"Modern" Native Americans, from a genetic standpoint, are anything but unique, like the rest of us.
There is one earth, and one human species. All differentiation after that is merely academic, and a fabrication of the individual and collective ego.

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Sergie
11/17/2014 02:27:17 am

And, of course, when Columbus sailed on, those Moslems who remained in Cuba on account of the mosque swam across the Straits of Florida with masses of chickens to take over the American mainland and, for climatic and other environmental reasons, swiftly transmorphed into Red Indians and substituted their conventional head-coverings with the feathers of those foul.

Then, after building a few boats, a number of the more hardy among them sailed back to their homes, gathered a goodly number of their women and, sailing yet again, to their newly discovered land, changed their women's names to squaws (or squawed) because of the similarity between their way of talking and the sounds of precisely their chickens.

Next thing we'll know is that some archaeologist from Ankara has found a body with turban and kaffiah holding the Koran, preserved by the ice of Antarctica.

And he will find someone to believe - even Erdogan again.

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Jimbo The Great
11/17/2014 07:57:54 am

History is an interesting subject. We can argue about it...we can revise it...we can create it from our imaginations. Here are a few rules that we should apply to history:

1) NEVER repeat those things that are bad. (example: WWII)

2) NEVER question those things that are good. (example: the end of the Great Depression)

3) NEVER lie about your own history...it will come back to bite you!

4) NEVER revise history...why change the past when we have enough problems dealing with the "here and now!"

Given enough time, Muslims will claim they put the first man on the moon, too!

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Joshua Harraway link
11/18/2014 07:13:46 pm

Jason, you wrote:

"Columbus admitted in his papers that on Monday, October 21, 1492 CE while his ship was sailing near Gibara on the north-east coast of Cuba, he saw a mosque on top of a beautiful mountain."

But I'm holding a copy of The Log of Christopher Columbus and for starters there is no Monday the 21, 1492. There is Sunday the 21st or Monday the 22nd, but not the date you mentioned. I figured you might have made a small mistake regarding the date so I read both days and I am also unable to find the content you wrote about. There is no mention of a Mosque on either of these dates.

I became interested in finding where Columbus wrote about a Mosque on a hill after hearing the recent claims by Turkey, but this information in your article is not accurate. What was the real date of the entry?

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Jason Colavito link
11/18/2014 10:33:11 pm

I did not write that. If you read carefully, that is the false claim that I am debunking. That's why it is set up as a block quote: They are not my words. It is a quote from a man who said something that isn't true. As I state further down in the article, the correct date is October 29, and the "mosque" was a figurative comparison, not an actual claim.

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Cecil Nixxon
11/19/2014 03:57:35 am

Weren't those Cuban Arabs the Lamanites of LDS lore? Was that a mosque or a temple? Did the Arabs become the Native Americans? And what about the Mandan people? Were they in fact the Nephites?

...and *still* no word from the Van Daniken bunch on why those Arabs inscribed giant birds on mountains.

Or, just maybe, despite compelling evidence to the contrary, Native Americans inhabited America first. Who'd have thought?

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MS
12/4/2014 09:02:36 am

I dont really see what the big deal is. We dont know for sure and we never really will. But ridiculing any possibility of muslims having laned in America but not ridiculing Viking landings is a bit errrr short sighted.

Even if it is true, neither Muslims nor Vikings setup any real migration routes to America and most likely only consisted of a handful of male soldiers who probably just mixed with the local populations and didnt really indulge in any kind of ethnic cleansing unlike the white Europeans.

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Finde
12/7/2014 05:30:04 pm

Ain't the so called "red indian" discovered america first? From what i knew, they are already "native" to the land when columbus discovered it, and long before.

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Rakan
12/19/2014 08:24:40 am

USA: Discovery Of 9th Century Quranic Manuscripts Predate Columbus Travels By Five Centuries - See more at:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-discovery-of-9th-century-quranic-manuscripts-predate-columbus-travels-by-five-centuries/

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Michael Wall link
3/1/2015 03:32:45 pm

You need to remember that Cortes was a military man. the Black people called MOORS ruled Spain for 700 years. They KNEW what a mosque was.

http://www.CornIntheBible.com

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Fabiana
3/9/2015 11:34:12 pm

Surely if we're talking crossing the sea of darkness to find possibly America the tale of the Adventurers of Lisbon presented in al-Idrisi's work is much more detailed and note worthy than Khashkhash? By the way I'm not of the opinion that they did reach America.

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Sheik Sharif Kalifa Rasul El
4/9/2015 02:16:52 pm

Your soul is saved because of your truth! 144,000.

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Sean Jobst link
5/14/2015 02:25:04 pm

Thanks for a very concise but fact-filled conclusive article that should hopefully work toward nipping these rumors in the bud where they belong!

I am of recent European descent, so I feel no need to pretend a fictitious pre-Columbian link to this continent unlike the Eurocentric and Afrocentric theorists who engage in such historical and cultural appropriation.

At the same time, my work in solidarity with authentic Native Americans has made me very sensitive to how such groups attempt to steal Indigenous heritage for themselves - aside from Eurocentric and Afrocentric, even the "ancient Alien" theorists who love to attribute everything created by Indigenous cultures and everything they built to "aliens" who "must've" taught them or built it for them.

At the same time, I have likewise noticed this same trend among certain Muslim apologists. I don't like this trend from the three groups I mentioned above, and so I don't like it from certain Muslims either. I have written a response to one such video peddling in such theories (and unfortunately, youtube and the whole Muslim web-sphere seems to be filled with such cultural appropriation of Native traditions and history):

http://sjobst.blogspot.com/2015/05/some-observations-about-cultural.html

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samy
7/1/2015 01:26:08 am

Yes, Muslims discovered American long time before Columbus
with many solid proofs

See this Vedio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcAckzI9TzY&list=PLdEUZ0tAJdI6aip2ywcgSg0LjL_e5chET&index=3

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suka-suka link
10/2/2015 04:49:24 am

DISCOVERY OF 9TH CENTURY QURANIC MANUSCRIPTS PREDATE COLUMBUS TRAVELS BY FIVE CENTURIES

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-discovery-of-9th-century-quranic-manuscripts-predate-columbus-travels-by-five-centuries/

Moslem (Islam) in America Before Columbus? Fact or Fiction?

https://akusuka.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/moslem-islam-in-america-before-columbus-fact-or-fiction/

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suka-suka link
10/2/2015 04:56:50 am

DISCOVERY OF 9TH CENTURY QURANIC MANUSCRIPTS PREDATE COLUMBUS TRAVELS BY FIVE CENTURIES

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-discovery-of-9th-century-quranic-manuscripts-predate-columbus-travels-by-five-centuries/

Moslem (Islam) in America Before Columbus? Fact or Fiction?

https://akusuka.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/moslem-islam-in-america-before-columbus-fact-or-fiction/

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Jho
12/14/2015 12:40:06 am

Muslim always RE-WRITE the REAL HISTORY.Bcoz their goal is to conquered the WORLD by all means ( deceit or swords)

I think, this is their way to incited MUSLIM EXTREMEST to terrorist people bcoz they claimed that America is their lands and it is stolen by Americans from their ancestors that they should take over it again.
A few years from now,you can see MUSLIMS marching on the street shouting saying "GIVE BACK OUR LANDS"...

This is happen in JERUSALEM...
They said there is no JEWISH TEMPLE their and they own the land.But there is no archeological evidences found pre-dated the Jewish settlement there...

In the Philippines,the said,MINDANAO is their land and that stolen by CHRISTIANS.
They RE-WRITE the HISTORY make their own HISTORY BOOKS and teach them to their children.Now,we have the problem.They form a lot of rebels group to terrorized the people and claimed that MINDANAO is their land.
But the REAL HISTORY is, before the MUSLIM came in 13th century,there are a lot of LUMADS living in that LAND.
One of the proofs is "BANGANG MANONGGOL" found on PALAWAN that according to carbon dating it is made on 800 BC.

TWO: MAITUM JARS w/c found in MAITUM SARANGGANI PROVINCE dated 5 BCE.
Now,this proved that before Muslim arrived,there are already a civilization here.
Besides, the LUMADS are still existed in the mountains nowadays.
And yet MUSLIMS are fighting the Philippine Government to give them MINDANAO.
What a hell and sick thingking they have...

Now,if this deceitfull idea w/c muslims spread about the discovery of AMERICA.
I know,soon,the next generation of MUSLIMS will use this as proofs to take over America 100% sure of.


Anywhere they settled down,they will find a way w/c they can established their SHARIA LAW..

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Philip Sylvester
5/10/2020 09:10:35 am

Wow so much ignorance about everything. Want to keep it real the so called Middle East was inhabited by African people long before anyone else and that’s from Jewish texts and the Muslims were not the first to say “we made it first the New Worlc” this line of thinking didn’t start in 1966. Europeans were questioning the Columbus narrative as early as the 1700s. Go do some real research.

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KOdrati
6/20/2016 02:23:21 pm

Born in Tikrīt, Iraq, Saladin (also written as Salâh ed Dîn or Salah ed-Din Yusuf) rose to power during the time of the Second and Third Crusades. He gained a reputation as a superior general, and contemporary accounts by Frankish and Arabic sources credit Saladin with being merciful and fair. His name is most widely recognized among Westerners for his military engagement with King Richard I during the Third Crusade. Among Muslims, he has often been viewed as a hero of Islam for his efforts to unite the Islamic states culminating in the capture of Jerusalem in 1187. <a href="http://whistory.org" >I liked your blog, Take the time to visit the me and say that the change in design and meniu?</a>

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Ali
8/1/2016 02:58:55 am

I think that's mostly possible , that Muslims could reach America, but I dont think it was official visit , I mean by official visit that it was done by travelers not by Army
Specialy at that time which Muslim acuse Muslims were in Thier powerful Era x while Europeans were still suffering of Thier internal issues

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Obaid
12/4/2022 02:53:39 am

This sort of pseudoscience and pseudohistory plagues many parts of the Muslim world like Pakistan but I was shocked to find Turkish religious channels promoting it, turkey which has a high literacy rate and room for open thought. How do we debunk stuff like this and this is really important.

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