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Did Diego de Ordaz Find the Body of a Giant in Mexico?

7/9/2013

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Update: See follow-up here.

Regular readers will recall that I’ve been looking over some of the evidence that the Spanish conquistadors encountered giants in the Americas. Today, let’s look at another piece of the evidence for an alleged giant. Today’s story comes from Peter Martyr d’Anghiera, Count Palatine, an Italian historian commissioned by Charles V to write the history of New Spain. In the fifth of his Decades, published in 1523, Peter described the conquest of Mexico, and in so doing he related the explorations of Diego de Ordaz, a conquistador most famous for his failed search for El Dorado across the northern areas of South America. That was still in the future, and at the time Peter Martyr wrote Ordaz had just finished his explorations of what is now Oaxaca and Veracruz, the onetime Olmec heartland, after having explored the region around what is now Mexico City.

Here’s what Ordaz found, as related in Decades 5, Book 9. I cannot seem to find the original Latin, [update: I found it] but I will give a Spanish version is first, followed by the standard 1912 English translation of papal chamberlain Francis Augustus MacNutt from which many alternative historians work. Hint: Be wary of this English translation.

Quiero terminar este capítulo con un relato giganteo, que cual firme y formidable Atlas venga a respaldar mis afirmaciones. Diego de Ordaz, de quien arriba hice mención, reconoció muchos lugares apartados de aquellas tierras, y sometió a muchos de sus régulos, sobre todo al que señoreaba la región del cacao, en la cual aprendió de qué modo se siembra y cría el árbol de la moneda, según lo expliqué en su lugar. En la bóveda de un templo encontró un pedazo del hueso femoral de un gigante, raído y semidestruido por la antiguedad. El licenciado Ayllón, jurisconsulto y uno de los oidores de la Española, trajo dicho hueso a la ciudad de Victoria poco después de la partida hacia Roma de Tu Beatitud. Yo lo tuve en casa durante algunos días; su largura, desde el nudo del anca a la rodilla, era de cinco palmos, y su ancho en proporción. Los que más adelante fueron enviados por Cortés a las montañas del sur, volvieron asegurando que habían encontrado una región habitada por gigantes y en prueba de su aserto dícese que trajeron muchas costilías de muertos.

I wish to terminate this narrative by a story of a giant who, similar to the formidable Atlas, will serve me as an ending and confirm what I have told. Diego Ordaz, whom I have before mentioned, explored several unknown parts of that region and conquered a number of caciques, amongst whom was one in whose country the fruits used as money grow. He it was who taught the Spaniards how to cultivate that tree, as I have already told. Ordaz found in the sanctuary of a temple the hip-bone of a giant, which was half worn away by age. A short time after Your Holiness had left for Rome, the bone was brought to Victoria by the licentiate Ayllon, one of the most learned jurisconsults in the Senate of Hispaniola. For some days I had that bone in my possession; it measured five cubits in length, and its thickness is in proportion. Some of the men sent by Cortes into the southern mountains afterwards discovered a country inhabited by these giants; in proof of their discovery they have brought back several ribs taken from bodies.

Isn’t that fun? Peter Martyr gives the hip bone as being seven and a half feet long. Normally, when one sees such an account the temptation is to assume that it’s wrong. If it had taken place farther north, we might want to ascribe the bone to an exaggerated mastodon carcass or even a dinosaur bone. It seems just about the right size for a sauropod such as Apatosaurus, and we know from footprints left in the region that such dinosaurs existed throughout Mexico at one time.

Ah, but we don’t need to do that, do we? Check the Spanish again. (I have confirmed it with parallel translations in other languages.) It doesn’t say “five cubits.” It says “cinco palmos”—five palms—our friendly and wildly variable obsolete measurement! We know that the Spanish palm was approximately 8 inches through most of its history (varying from 7 to 11 inches across Europe), so that gives us a hip bone of around 40 inches, or a little more than three feet. This is still very large, but nowhere near 7.5 feet. That should be just about right for an extinct toxodon or other large Pleistocene mammal, perhaps the giant ground sloth, whose upright posture mimics that of a human and could easily be mistaken for an oversized giant. These fellows had especially thick bones, which also accords well with Peter Martyr’s alleged emphasis on the proportional thickness of the hip bone.

Check out the pelvis on the 20-foot-tall Eremotherium laurillardi and tell me that this doesn’t match the description as MacNutt translated it. 

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Giant ground sloths at the Smithsonian. © Ryan Somma / Wikimedia Commons
Ah, but we do not even have to go this far: The Spanish does not talk about hip bones! The Spanish (confirmed by other translations) says that Ordaz found “femoral” or a “thigh bone,” not a hip bone! Note that MacNutt failed to translate the section on how the bone went from the ankle to the knee. In the original Spanish, the thickness was no such thing, but merely a description of the proportional width of the leg bone. This makes it even more likely that the actual creature involved was simply one of many extinct Pleistocene mammals, again including the sloth, the Toxodon, or any other megafauna. Should the bone have come from father north, possibly the mastodon could be included on the list, too. 

This looks like yet another case where a bad translation and a failure to check the original source documents created a myth with just enough grounding in fact to obscure the truth. For the record, this is what a more accurate English translation (my own) has to say. Note the many, many significant differences, including the more conditional description of the giants later found:

I wish to end this chapter with a gigantic story, which, like the formidable Atlas, comes to support my claims. Diego de Ordaz, whom I have before mentioned, knew many hidden places in those lands, especially in the land of cacao, where he learned to plant and grow the tree of money, as I have explained on that occasion. He found in the vault of a temple the thighbone of a giant, worn and nearly destroyed by age. The licentiate Ayllón, one of the most learned jurists in Hispaniola, brought this bone to the city of Victoria a short time after Your Holiness left for Rome. For some days I had that bone in my home; it measured five palms in length, and its width in proportion. Those who were afterwards sent by Cortes into the mountains if the south returned, saying that they had discovered a country inhabited by giants; in proof of this claim it is said that they brought back many ribs of the dead.

Notice that it is Peter Martyr, not Diego de Ordaz, who identified the bone as that of a giant, relating it to the myth of Atlas. Further, he is the one connecting the story to hearsay rumors of giants given by Cortes and his men. Further: money tree. Yes, a tree that grew money.

Extra fun fact: Mormon hyper-diffusionist Wayne May, in his book This Land: America 2,000 B.C. to 500 A.D. (2009) gets this wrong in a whole new way. May apparently knows that Charles V gave Ordaz the right to feature and erupting volcano on his coat of arms because he climbed the most famous volcano in Mexico, Popocatepetl (OK, he probably does not know this exactly). But he then goes on to make this distorted and corrupted claim: “When Diego de Ortaz climbed to the high volcano of Popocatepetl, near Mexico City, according to Las Casas, he found a giant thigh bone that he sent to the Vatican.” Suddenly the bone is on the mountaintop! Where, pray tell, did the temple fit? He got the thigh bone right, but he has seemingly mixed up Las Casas and Peter Martyr.

So, MacNutt muddled the translation into monstrosity, and May moved everything to the top of a volcano. This is why checking primary sources is so important.


See follow-up on the original Latin text here.
7 Comments
bear
7/9/2013 02:50:55 pm

<snark> But, but, checking sources is such hard WORK, good grief, work I tell you. Real, serious WORK <snark off>
Ah, but NEEDED/necessary work that any serious scholar should do without hesitation. Or, am I still locked in the distant past here? You know, back in the days when work was what serious scholars actually did, like Jason does. Just me asking odd ball questions........again.
Curious minds want to know.

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gt7h1 link
7/9/2013 03:38:36 pm

For me, it's pretty obvious that all the giants identifications are related with megafauna bones. It's not that hard to see, but I think people don't like the simplest explanation. And an observation about your translation. You translate "región del cacao" as "land of coca", but they are different plants. Cacao is <i>Theobroma cacao</i> and coca is <i>Erythroxylum coca</i>; the last, as far as I know, is from South-America and not known in the region at that time. And the cacao's fruit was used as money in Mesoamerica, so the "money tree" thing was literally true.

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Jason Colavito link
7/9/2013 11:28:18 pm

You're right. It was a typo. I meant to write "cacao," and I have fixed it above. Thanks for pointing out the error!

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The Other J.
7/20/2013 08:43:01 pm

<i>Did Diego de Ordaz Find the Body of a Giant in Mexico?</i>

No.

Unless it was a giant sloth.

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Fr. Jack Ashcraft link
7/25/2013 03:00:45 am

Very good detective work!

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Mordecai Rodnipoff
8/1/2013 03:16:35 pm

Hey Jason,

This is a good article, good work! It lines up with Adrienne Mayor's research on fossil giants the 12+, 15, 20, 30+ feet and up giants... and maybe the Enochian 450 foot giants. lol can be explained by these mastodon, Dinosaur or sloth bones. The 6 ' 6", 7, and 8 foot dudes in the burial mounds are a different story altogether. And I would argue the Patagonians also fall into the latter camp of 6 - 8 foot men, even if they grew from 7-1/2 feet up to 15 feet tall after 300 years of rehashed traveler's tales.

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boardoutofmymind
8/24/2013 08:22:33 pm

You eggheads can wax on enough as to boar even the most astute. Just get to the point ! Facts man, comparisons. Anyone with a better than average vocabulary, can blather on forever so as to make themselves sound more important, and superior to others.

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