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Did the Phoenicians Make the Nazca Lines and Other Andean Monuments?

8/31/2015

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One of the problems with fringe writers is that even when they have an occasionally interesting idea, they lard it with so much ridiculousness that the whole thing collapses under its own weight. Take, for example, the claim made on Ancient Origins today from self-described archaeoastronomer William James Veall. Veall, who studied engineering at one time, offered a somewhat interesting speculation about the potential purpose of the so-called Band of Holes at Cajamarquilla, Peru. These 6,900 shallow holes form a long line often compared to a serpent, but their purpose is unknown, with suggestions ranging from grain storage pits to a gigantic serpentine geoglyph. Veall suggests that they were meant to trap rainwater, which, instead of running off, would sit in the holes and drain through the limestone below to channel into an underground aquifer and ultimately to a collection site. I have no way of evaluating this hypothesis, but it is not completely unreasonable and it is testable.

Then he goes off the deep end.
Veall is a hyper-diffusionist, so naturally he believes that the native Peruvians were incapable of such sophisticated technology as digging a hole. No, the Phoenicians had to be behind it. Veall believes that he has uncovered a Phoenician inscription at the Nazca lines, and he also identified a rock formation in the region as a sculpture of a bull, which he associates with the Phoenicians as a representation of the god Baal. (I can find no information about this “bull,” nor did Veall provide a picture of it.) He says that the bull sculpture is a typical Semitic boundary marker, such as the bull effigies erected by Jeroboam in Bethel and Dan. Of course, those were golden calves, while this is an ambiguous rock formation. Details!

Oh, and that Phoenician inscription? It’s actually hidden in the lines at Nazca, because the Phoenicians apparently developed the Nazca lines as a huge monument to themselves, alongside a formation Veall calls the “Temple of the Sacred Lamb.” “If absolutely genuine and of great age, I hoped to reconstruct a chronological time frame based upon the bull effigy, the Temple of the Sacred Lamb, and the huge, third to fourth century BC Phoenician inscription I had uncovered within the Nasca Lines.”

That’s cute and all, but in a video posted to Vimeo last year, and on YouTube in 2008, and narrated by James Albrecht, he claimed to have also identified enormous alphabetic carvings of characters from the Musnad alphabet of southern Arabia in the same alleged “Temple,” along with incomprehensibly large sculptures of Old World animals such as the oryx and lamb. He found these by blowing up Google Earth images, and he’s simply seeing patterns in random natural shapes. I’ve squinted at the pictures he provides, and I can’t see the “icons” he sees. 
Veall believes that the Phoenicians colonized the Andes and stayed for centuries, leaving not a trace other than the Nazca lines and the eroded sculptures he sees in Google Earth.
22 Comments
Scott Hamilton
8/31/2015 07:06:37 am

Speaking of encrypted messages, did you see the Huffpo article about the Shigir Idol today? Unfortunately a scientist working on it described the markings on the effigy as "encrypted information," and you can already see all the believers in fringe theories interpreting that as "encrypted writing" in the comments.

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Mike
8/31/2015 09:44:30 am

Yeah, I saw that article, too and immediately thought of this web site. Virtually all the comments are fringe history bullshit.

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Scarecrow
8/31/2015 07:26:26 am

I think that Joseph of Arimathea and the boy Jesus visited the Andes as well as Glastonbury.

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Shane Sullivan
8/31/2015 07:35:44 am

Well, "Jesus" is a pretty popular name in Peru. That can't be a coincidence.

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Tony
8/31/2015 07:55:10 am

Due to its much closer proximity to Peru, I would suggest that the Phoenicians of central Arizona made the Nazca Lines.

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Clete
8/31/2015 08:10:52 am

I just love fringe writers. Our ancient ancestors couldn't dig a hole, pile up rocks, make up stories, learn to plant crops or do anything else. All they could do was sit around waiting for someone or something smarter than they were to descend from the sky and tell them what to do. Makes me believe are ancient ancestors were Republicans.

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Durantes
2/17/2016 05:43:08 pm

well, actually, the lamb being there is kind of telling, seeing as there were no sheep in south america until europeans arrived

for an enlightened liberal, you sure know more about being snooty than about anything else

sorry liberals ;)

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Bob Jase
2/17/2016 07:01:24 pm

Yeah, its not like llamas, alpacas and vicunas give birth.

busterggi (Bob Jase)
8/31/2015 08:17:18 am

"To date the site has revealed no real artifactual evidence whatsoever—just a path of empty holes excavated into a limestone escarpment for no apparent rhyme or reason. No tools have been found, no skeletons or bones, no potsherds or textiles—nothing."

There's your proof that is was the Phoenicians - just look at all the lack of structures, bones, potsherds, textiles, clay tablets, household goods, coins, etc that weren't found where the Phoenicians are known to have lived.

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al etheredge
8/31/2015 08:21:21 am

I didn't see any icons, but I saw a hooked X. Where's Scott Wolter when you need him?

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Kal
8/31/2015 09:41:06 am

The human brain is programmed to see patterns in ordinary things. This has no pattern. How would they know a Phoenician pattern from a Nazca one? How did they have any contact prior to colonization? Oh but you should ask the obvious questions and confuse the made up story with plausibility.

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Only Me
8/31/2015 01:01:22 pm

The only "sculpture" I could make out was the lamb; however, without knowing how much manipulation was involved with the images, I say this is a clear case of pareidolia.

Veall identifies himself as an archaeoastronomer, but the narrator calls him an archaeologist. Which is it?

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JasonColavito link
8/31/2015 01:36:53 pm

I don't believe he's any of them. His biography only says that he studied engineering and archaeology at two different colleges, but it is silent on whether he earned any advanced degree.

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Mike Morgan
8/31/2015 06:14:22 pm

OFF TOPIC.

Not trying to hijack the thread but thought many will find this of interest.

From Scott Wolter's Twitter page:

Scott Wolter ‏@RealScottWolter 8h8 hours ago

Our new 6-episode series, Pirate Treasure of the Knights Templar, is set to air Saturday, September 12 @ 8 and 9 pm CST on History.

Scott Wolter ‏@RealScottWolter 8h8 hours ago

@child_yahweh All new stuff even I never heard of; it'll be good. I promise.

Scott Wolter ‏@RealScottWolter 8h8 hours ago

@Khaleesi_Evi Been waiting a long time to announce this; thanks for being patient.

R.S. Shepard ‏@robertshepard36 8h8 hours ago

@RealScottWolter any plans for anything else beyond the 6 episodes

Scott Wolter ‏@RealScottWolter 8h8 hours ago

@robertshepard36 Yep, but can't say anything right now.

Curtis ‏@curt_fl 8h8 hours ago

@RealScottWolter what does this mean for America Unearthed?

Scott Wolter ‏@RealScottWolter 8h8 hours ago

@curt_fl It's on hold for now.

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Mike Morgan
8/31/2015 07:00:44 pm

Googling "Pirate Treasure of the Knights Templar" brings up nothing about the show.

History Channel shows nothing promoting the show even though it is less than 2 weeks away. Checking the History Channel program schedule, it does show #101 @9PM EDT and #102 following with "Individual episode synopsis is currently not available."

My ATT Uverse schedule also shows it for 9/12 @ 8 & 9PM CDT with no program information.

Seems strange there is no promotion by History Channel.

Scott Wolter at one point indicated he would be a co-host, but I haven't seen any information on who it might be. Given the title of the show "Pirate Treasure of the Knights Templar", my guess is it could be Andy White's favorite fringer to debate with, aka TreasureForce Commander, J. Hutton Pulitzer.




Individual episode synopsis is currently not available.

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tm
8/31/2015 07:33:19 pm

No, no! Don't tell me! Let me guess! Wolter found a treasure map where a hooked X marks the spot.

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Colin Hunt
9/1/2015 02:47:15 am

I posted on Jason's blog on 24th and 26th August that in the Philippines H2 is saturation advertising an "All New" America Unearthed series starting on September 9th at 8PM local Philippine time.
The H2 TV advert for the new series contains a short and classic Wolter paranoid/conspiracy theory sound bite. Talking to an unidentified man, about an unidentified subject, Wolter exclaims "The government would not let me in, so how did you get in?" I guess that means we are going to get yet more conspiracy theory nonsense in the new series.

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Jason Colavito link
9/1/2015 02:48:56 am

Is that maybe series 3 debuting for the first time in the Philippines? I think that line is from the Denver Airport episode.

Colin Hunt
9/1/2015 02:52:36 am

Now I know where the expression originated - "It's a load of old (Phoenician) bull!"

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Coridan
9/1/2015 07:01:40 am

Yes, the Phoenicians left behind their hole digging technology but not their metalworking or shipbuilding...

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Pacal
9/2/2015 11:11:40 am

"Veall is a hyper-diffusionist, so naturally he believes that the native Peruvians were incapable of such sophisticated technology as digging a hole."

Yep that is the modus operandi of hyper-diffusionists. I remember debating a hyper-diffusionist who asserted with a straight face that the Indians of the Americas had to be taught that the way to irrigate their crops was by digging canals and that it would never have occurred to them that this would be the way to bring water to their crops.

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scott
9/7/2015 12:49:25 am

I googled earthed my home state of Florida the other day to the realization that its a giant marker carved out of ancient coral reefs by the mayan civilization to point towards Black Barts lost treasure off the coast of madagascar in the south China sea. But nobody cares about my "major discovery". Perhaps if I had a narrator....

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